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I would like to replace the belt on a technics sl-23 turntable. My question is how to take the platter off in order to replace the belt? Any other information would be helpful. thank you. marc

marc a contreras, Saturday, 28 February 2004 15:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
yea, i have been remixing music on my computer for close to a year now, and i have gotten real good... well at least up to my expectations. I have been looking for a turntable.. really the only thing i want a turntable for is so i can scratch to my remixes.
My neighbor has one and will probably sell it to me for very cheap, like 25 bucks. and i am just wondering, if all i need is a turntable to do what i want to do, because ill probably need a mixer and an amplifier, i dont know, im so clueless about turntables its not even funny, i just really want to get involved with them and whoever this email goes to, please help me out, give me a list of the things i need to hook up a turntable and make it work and everything... please...

David Vincent Mathis, Sunday, 16 April 2006 17:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Turntable: There should be a rubber cover on the platter, take it off to expose holes that allow you to see the belt. Get a grip on the platter and turn in clockwise while pulling it upwards. It should come out then.

DMV: Get a piece of notebook paper and roll it into a cone (.3" diameter on small end / 2" diameter on large end). Connect the safety pin to the small end and touch the point to a spinning record. You are now Edison, MUSIC IS MAGIC.

Aaron Couch, Sunday, 16 April 2006 20:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I've got a Sony turntable that's just used for domestic purposes (no DJing) that's got a power cable connected to the back. The end of the cable is just this tiny bi-pinned thing that plugs into the back of the main console. Only thing is, the main console doesn't work anymore and I can't find that particular slot on any other console, including other Sonys.

Any clue on what I can do?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Sunday, 16 April 2006 20:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Do you live in a major city? If so go to a pawn shop and buy a Technics 1200. The pawn shops are stocked with them at the moment because urban ding-dongs learned DJing is harder than in looks. Pay no more than $175 and you have a turntable FOR LIFE.

Aaron Couch, Sunday, 16 April 2006 22:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink


electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Sunday, 16 April 2006 23:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

PP - see if anywhere on the turntable or the console it says what the voltage is of the output of that 2-prong plug. If it's standard household current, you can just cut the cord and put on a regular outlet plug. If it's DC, you can probably find a power supply to match.

If you can't figure it out, post the model numbers

dave vire think (dave225.3), Monday, 17 April 2006 00:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's a DC 12 volt. Not exactly household, is it?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 17 April 2006 00:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

No, but 12VDC should be easy to find a power source, if you're comfortable with twisting some wires together. You can use an old PC power supply (or a new one) or buy an 12V transformer. You might even be able to pull the transformer out of the console if the transformer part still works...

dave vire think (dave225.3), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I'm now using a Yamaha P-750 for the home. It sounds just great. However, it is loaded with buttons and knobs, and its manual has never been posted online. Anyway, there is a LOCK/FREE flipswitch by the base of the tonearm. I've farted around with the thing, but I don't know what it does. Help!

QuantumNoise, Sunday, 7 October 2007 19:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'd imagine it is to lock it in place when you transport it so the tonearm doesn't get damaged.

Chewshabadoo, Monday, 8 October 2007 13:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

Thanks. I'll try securing the tonearm in the clasp, then flipping the switch to LOCK -- see if that somehow locks it in there.

QuantumNoise, Monday, 8 October 2007 15:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

I have just purchased a Pro-Ject Debut III (partly due to people recommending it here) and am finding there's something weird about the tonearm/cartridge/needle/I'm not sure — I get this humming sound, mostly in the right channel. If I move the tonearm a little, especially if I lift it so it touches the anti-skating weight support hoop, I can usually get the hum to go away... but it comes back after a few minutes.

Does this sound familiar? Is there a way to fix it? Do I have to "adjust the azimut," whatever that is?

This is my first serious turntable — before I just had this old Garrard changer and didn't ever have to do any assembly or anything, just replaced the needle once or twice.


eatandoph, Saturday, 1 March 2008 07:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

Do you have the grounding wire connected? (little fork shape cable that runs beside the two phono connections - should screw on to a post on your amp/ phono stage)
If that's not it then it might be a loose connection from the arm to the cartridge - 4 connectors with fiddly little sleeves that fit over 4 posts on the cartridge; try touching them one by one and see if the hum changes or goes away...

sonofstan, Saturday, 1 March 2008 08:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

Thanks for your reply. The grounding wire is connected. If I touch the metal screws connecting the tonearm to the cartridge, the hum reduces but doesn't quite disappear. Touching the sleeves (black, rubbery things?) makes the hum louder.

eatandoph, Saturday, 1 March 2008 08:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

Ok - without hearing the hum, its hard to tell (and might be hard to tell anyway) if it doesn't entirely disappear when you touch anything on the cartridge, it suggests a more fundamental earthing problem; if you've just bought this, the safest - and cheapest - thing might be to bring it back to the shop, and either get a replacement or get them to fix it......

sonofstan, Saturday, 1 March 2008 13:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

I just had a similar problem and it ended up being an internal ground in the cartridge itself. Replacing the cartridge solved it....if it's a good shop they should definitely be willing to replace or fix.

I have a Rega so I'm not sure exactly how the Pro-Ject's ground out...the Rega ground internally in the arm...so it could be a number of things but maybe if you have another old cartridge around it might be worth throwing it on just to see if that solves it.

M@tt He1ges0n, Saturday, 1 March 2008 14:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

Thanks again.... I ordered the turntable from NeedleDoctor, which makes returning it a hassle, but I'll probably do that since even the prospect of replacing the cartridge frightens me terribly. (NeedleDoctor provide a link to this Beginner's Guide, but just the list of "tools at a glance" is intimidating.)

eatandoph, Saturday, 1 March 2008 20:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

Just read the guide....... have the say, I've changed cartridges without a tweezers loads of times but it makes sense to use one; is there anyone local who does repairs who could swap the cartridge if just to eliminate that?

sonofstan, Saturday, 1 March 2008 20:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

'have to say'

sonofstan, Saturday, 1 March 2008 20:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Hey guys I've got a Pioneer PL-990. My cat knocked it off the stack last night and I think the motor might be fucked up: the platter is spinning v irregularly. I thought I might just need to rethread the belt, so I did, but no dice.

Any other suggestions? If it is the motor, is it cheaper to get a motor and repair/have it repaired, or do I just need a new turntable?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 3 July 2008 22:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

i'm getting a cat

usic, Thursday, 3 July 2008 22:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

pics or its not true

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 3 July 2008 23:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

HALP u guys

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 4 July 2008 00:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

In case you want to geek out - http://www.vinylengine.com

factcheckr, Saturday, 5 July 2008 15:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

A repair might work, but it's going to cost you parts and labor and you'll still be left with a Pioneer deck. Double your costs and you could end up with something much better—for example,


Michael Train, Saturday, 5 July 2008 17:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

hoos, kinda echoing michael, but yeah getting them fixed is tough. very few places fix turntables anymore, don't know abt your city.

if you don't want to step up to the 300+ range, like the Rega P1 (which i own) or the Pro-Ject, then i'd definitely check craigslist you can find some great deals on there.

M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

remedial turntable question: with an old, 80s all-in-one cassette/turntable unit, will a microphone input work as a line-in/auxiliary setting? would i be able to run music from a computer through the stereo? and is there a big disadvantage in it being a single jack input, rather than a dual phono red/white input?

schlump, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 14:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

I would try it, but most mic imputs are a lower impedance level than line inputs. some of those older systems have built-in preamps though. the jack is probably 1/4" stereo, but it might be mono (which might also be a problem for you).

sleeve, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 14:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

ehh, i think i might just go for it. there's always headphones if not. thank you.

schlump, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 14:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

i bought this, by the way, it being small enough to fit my needs and also being really cool. i was shocked - SHOCKED - to see how cheap stereos are generally on ebay, though; anything without a cd player, even if it's separates with a turntable and decent speakers, can be had for >$75, inc. shipping.

schlump, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 12:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

anyone got any experience with packing and shipping a turntable overseas?

it's a thorens td 160 in exc

cozwn, Thursday, 15 January 2009 00:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

I have an experience receiving turntables sent air mail.

Dust covers shattered, a lag (in the spinning part) in both of them which never really went away, and unsurprisingly little foam/air bags in the box.

Should have known, the guy's name was Elvis Santana.

mehlt, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:05 (nine years ago) Permalink


did you get a refund?

cozwn, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

At a minimum you need to strip the thing down. Most important is to take the platter off. I'd pack it under the turntable where it can do the least harm

There are also sometimes shipping screws for the suspension accessed from under the turntable. If you don't have a manual for the 160, sometimes you can get one online. Tightening the screws will immobilize and protect the suspension.

Tie down, or tape down the tonearm to the support so that it can't get loose and damage itself or the stylus.

If the stylus has a cover, pop it into place, or take the stylus out if that's easily done. Some styli come as an insert that is removable from the larger cartridge.

Unscrew the counterweight from the tonearm.

In a perfect world, think about shipping the plexiglass cover separately. They're fragile and crack/scratch easily; if you don't pack well, the turntable (and especially the platter) can shift around and damage them.

Michael Train, Thursday, 15 January 2009 03:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

Xpost, we sent back the non-working mixer and got much more than it was worth. I managed to get two years of use out of those turntables though, although there were always good and bad days with them.

If you have an original box they came in, preferably with appropriate fitting pieces of styrofoam that keep it in place, I imagine that would be a good receptacle.

mehlt, Thursday, 15 January 2009 04:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

thanks michael, just what I was looking for

cozwn, Thursday, 15 January 2009 08:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

reposted from another thread (threads, actually, my mistake(s))

I think I'm going to get a new set of Shure cartridges
I'm looking at these and realizing that it might be worth the extra 17 (X 2) dollars to step up to something better, namely the M44-7, especially if it's going to have a significantly longer life than a more entry level cartridge.

I really don't know anything about needles, I'm changing them now because I got a pair that came with used turntables and I'm afraid they're worn out (there's skipping here and there, sometimes I have to raise the counterweight, etc.), but ultimately I have no idea. I'm not playing at clubs or on a HiFi system, so I'm not sure (not shure?) what difference it ultimately makes for someone like myself.

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EDB, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 14:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

It's going to wise to change your cartridges if they've seen a lot of use as they wear down, and eventually get to a point where they might start damaging your records.

Always set the weight of the cartridge to the maximum recommended by the manufacturer - less weight could mean the arm may bounce up and down, again damaging records. As a general rule, hi-fi carts are set to around 1.5g, house and techno DJ carts where some back-cueing is used are around 3.5, and scratch DJs will use at least 5g to lessen the possibility of skipping.

Records skipping can sometimes just mean the records are damaged of course.

It's always good to have some spare cartridges around just in case anyway - they'll last virtaully a lifetime if not used.

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 15:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'm sure you know this, but for anyone who doesn't:


Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 15:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

Actually ignore that - it's good up until point 4, which seems plain wrong. Just turn the counterweight to the required number which should correspond to the weight you are after. If setting DJ tracking weights you may need to add a weight to the headshell (very often this will be a small coin held on with blutack!)

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 15:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

The link that should have been where I wrote that was lost, so there it is again.

Thanks, though. Mainly I'm mixing records, so I'm concerned about wear. At this point I'm definitely going to buy new cartridges, the question is whether the M44-7 is worth the extra $17 (times two, $34) dollars over the M92E for a bedroom DJ like myself, looking in the long run (i.e. how long these will last for, etc.)

EDB, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 15:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

Sorry, can’t help you there, I’ve always been an Ortofon man myself. The main thing to take into consideration with wear is that a spherical diamond will damage records much less when back-cueing, but will not have the clarity of an eliptical diamond.

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 17 September 2009 12:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

Well I got cartridges and everything is set up (properly, I hope). My question now is what's the deal with this screw in the cartridge at a 23% angle business? I've had Stanton cartridges which came pre-angled, but turned clockwise, and with a straight tone arm if that makes a difference?), but otherwise I am again in the dark, but it seems to make sense, and better tracking is better tracking...

Are there potential pitfalls to this? If it's angled at say 15, 20 percent will it make a difference?


EDB, Saturday, 19 September 2009 04:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

You can get pfs of protractors to help with alignment. Make sure you print at 100%


I've just used the 'stupid protractor' in the past. Haven't bothered the last few times tbh.

Chewshabadoo, Saturday, 19 September 2009 09:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

An hour researching on google and I still have no idea how to use that.

EDB, Saturday, 19 September 2009 16:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

You just print them out, make a hole where the blank dot is and then place it on your turntable to see if the cartridge lines up (more or less) in both positions when viewed from above. Simples.

Chewshabadoo, Sunday, 20 September 2009 13:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

So, when do you know when it's time to replace styli?

Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Saturday, 3 July 2010 17:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

When your music sounds like shite! How long have you had it, and how much music do you listen to a week?

Chewshabadoo, Saturday, 3 July 2010 17:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

The first sign for me is always that LPs start to sound a little fuzzier toward the center of the record.

timellison, Saturday, 3 July 2010 17:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

You might want to look for an elliptical stylus for your cartridge. What kind of cart do you have on the 212 right now?

𝐌𝐀𝐁-BAM-O BAM A – 𝐔𝐒-H US SEIN-U.S.-UNITED STATES (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 9 January 2017 23:53 (one year ago) Permalink

Just the original philips one it came with

It's called, "giving a shit". (stevie), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 20:14 (one year ago) Permalink

If it's an old stylus I'd still suggest any news is good news

niels, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 21:06 (one year ago) Permalink

thanks all - saw online that the Audio-Technica AT95EBL cartridge is a good budget replacement, and I think it's elliptical.

It's called, "giving a shit". (stevie), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 12:19 (one year ago) Permalink

The spherical stylus

The spherical shaped stylus is the simplest and
cheapest to produce and it is, therefore, the
most common. Spherical styli can be
recommended in all cases where robustness and
economy are taken into consideration in the
purchase of a cartridge.

The elliptical stylus
The elliptical shaped stylus bears greater
resemblance to the triangular shaped cutting
stylus that is used when cutting master records.
The elliptical stylus is able to follow the groove
oscillations more accurately than the spherical
type, and its distortion and phase error will,
therefore, be less.

via https://www.ortofon.com/media/14912/everything_you_need_to_know_about_styli_types.pdf - p helpful at first glance

niels, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 12:44 (one year ago) Permalink

thanks all - saw online that the Audio-Technica AT95EBL cartridge is a good budget replacement, and I think it's elliptical.

that's the one that came with my turntable, and it's definitely an upgrade on the godawful shitquake i used to have. other audio issues aside, several previously skippy records of mine that were seemingly destined for the bin now play all the way through without one hiccup

NickB, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 13:28 (one year ago) Permalink

aaaand that's exactly the hard-sell I needed, thanks Nick!

It's called, "giving a shit". (stevie), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 15:18 (one year ago) Permalink

(is it difficult to replace a cartridge?)

It's called, "giving a shit". (stevie), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 15:18 (one year ago) Permalink

New Poll

niels, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 15:22 (one year ago) Permalink

It's not, really, but you'll need needle nose pliers and small screwdrivers. New cart should have a wiring diagram or color-coded posts (Red-Right, White-Left, Green-Right Ground, Blue-Left Ground if it doesn't). I'd advise downloading and printing a protactor from online - or at least making note of where the needle hits compared to your old cart and approximating that, heh.

𝐌𝐀𝐁-BAM-O BAM A – 𝐔𝐒-H US SEIN-U.S.-UNITED STATES (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 12 January 2017 03:09 (one year ago) Permalink

Oh and when you're putting the cart on either leave the stylus cover on or remove the stylus... and attach the wires before you screw the cart on to the headshell.

𝐌𝐀𝐁-BAM-O BAM A – 𝐔𝐒-H US SEIN-U.S.-UNITED STATES (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 12 January 2017 03:10 (one year ago) Permalink


It's called, "giving a shit". (stevie), Thursday, 12 January 2017 09:24 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...

can anyone recommend a cheap turntable? one that will reliably play a record at the correct speed?

i had a Crosley record player for a few years and it was always pretty shitty with playback speed and eventually was too slow to play anything. so i threw it out and bought a new cheap turntable, an Ion Archive LP. at first it played wonderful but as the months went by started going slow and now (it's been less than a year) it's too slow to play anything also. i contacted a local audio electronics repair place and they said it would be cheaper to just replace it than fix it.

i need to get a new record player but i am understandably weary of spending a lot of money and then having this same thing happen to me. any recommendations for a sub-$200 turntable?

why do they make such shitty turntables these days? i used to play my records on old turntables found in thrift stores and they tended to work fine for years. does this new shit fail by design?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 21:52 (eleven months ago) Permalink

For $200 you can find a great old Dual or Technics that will last you the rest of your life.

bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 11:52 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Exactly. I thought he was after the ez-ripping feature.

bodacious ignoramus, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:52 (eleven months ago) Permalink

thanks for the advice all. i will look into a Dual/Technic!

i never do any ripping. just need something that will play daily for years.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:57 (eleven months ago) Permalink

My Technics SL-23 is bullet-proof! 20 years ago, i bought it for $50

bodacious ignoramus, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:02 (eleven months ago) Permalink

It's a little tricksy, but my Philips 212 from the 70s sounds like a dream and was about $200 off eBay

Shanty Brunch (stevie), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:41 (eleven months ago) Permalink

(Just get someone else to switch the cartridge)

Shanty Brunch (stevie), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:41 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I would say if you see a Dual, do a little googling on the particular model. They made some great stuff but there are some later models, one i bought in particular, that weren't nearly the same quality. Mine broke and it was a short in the cartridge, but this model the cartridge was actually glued into the headshell. Anyway, Dual is generally great but I think they must've done some crappier stuff in the mid/late 80s. Technics are pretty consistent as far as I know. Another company that is really worth looking into, esp late 70s/early 80s is the now-defunct Scott. I have one I got off Craigslist and it sounds great esp w/a new cart.

Scott's are getting a little more well known but sometimes you can get a really good deal on them as they are not as known as Technics or Dual. This is the one I got:


Also, I think weight is often a good indication on an old turntable, if it's pretty heavy that's a good sign imo.

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:44 (eleven months ago) Permalink

in all my research this seemed to be the go-to non-shitty but decent record player that should last awhile


global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:47 (eleven months ago) Permalink


global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:47 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I bought a Dual 745 (iirc) for $50, but the headshell was glued together in a spot, and the glue fell apart after holding together for 30 years or so. My local shop tried to fix it, but all their replacement headshells fell apart in the same way. If you get a Dual, I'd suggest trying to find a 12xx series model, they seem to be built better.

Also I've heard good things about the Uturn Orbit, although I haven't gotten one for myself yet. The baseline model is $179 and it's supposed to rival stuff like the Rega RP1. If you can afford the optional Ortofon 2m Red with it, that's a great sounding cartridge.

Guy Pidgeotto (Tom Violence), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:56 (eleven months ago) Permalink

For budget, Audio Technica LP-60 is usually what I show entry-level folks. That should get you through several years of listening, and is easy to "level up" from. Stylus is also easy & cheap to buy & replace.

But if you can go up to $200, I would recommend the Pro-Ject Essential II over the U-Turn. Their production quality is higher, IMO (work at a shop that has sold both).

And yes; never ever buy or go anywhere near a Crosley. That's plastic trash, not a turntable.

dronestreet, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 17:38 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Pro-Ject Essential II is what I have and is brilliant. Several ilxors took my advice and got one too and they were very happy with it.

Odysseus, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 17:41 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I have a Crosley I actually like for grabbing samples off records, cuz the stuff your record into your DAW sounds kinda gritty like a mid-80s sampler

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:51 (eleven months ago) Permalink

but yeah they are also wrecking the shit out of your vinyl, those ceramic needs are blunt and huge and heavy as fuck

dronestreet - i live in the same city as needle doctor and i went down there to get a new cartridge have you heard the new AT MN540ML microline?

I was coming in to maybe get a Denon DL-110 or a replacement Ortofon 2M Blue (some stereo stuff got zapped by lightning strike) and the guy at the store strongly suggested this one, been really loving it so far...not crazy wide sounding as the old DL 160 (discontinued) that I had but it tracks was better than the 2M Blue and just feels "bigger" and more detailed, way way less inner groove distortion and sibilance on "s's"

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:55 (eleven months ago) Permalink

ceramic needles -- on what, the Crosleys?

bodacious ignoramus, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 21:49 (eleven months ago) Permalink

here's what michael fremer says about the orbit. he makes a point of mentioning its good speed control.


Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 23:12 (eleven months ago) Permalink

bodacious - yep they use ceramics, the cheapest/worst kind of cart

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 23:20 (eleven months ago) Permalink


bodacious ignoramus, Thursday, 13 July 2017 09:10 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I do love my Pro-Ject - I can't think of much better for the money.

I've owned Dual, Ariston, Systemdek and - most gloriously of all, before I had to sell it - a Michell Gyro SE. Cardas/vdH rewired Rega tonearm, Ortofon MC25FL moving coil, Nene Valley Audio phono pre-amp, the works. People would gather round it at parties and just watch the weights go around. Ahhh.

Anyway, forced to rethink on a greatly reduced budget, I went for Pro-Ject about two years ago and it's not as, uh, forensic as the Michell, but it just sounds lush and rich and wide and deep and handsome (came with the Ortofon 2M Red). I pushed the boat out and got an external phono pre/ADC, so I can "rip" if I so wish. But who ever gets round to doing that? Maybe I'll "do" something with run-out grooves. No-one has ever thought of that before, right?

Michael Jones, Thursday, 13 July 2017 11:22 (eleven months ago) Permalink

(there's a quickspace cd single which has the run-out groove and possibly the sound of an eject mechanism at the end of the track that would be the end of the first side on the vinyl, and the run-in groove sound on the start of the next track)

koogs, Thursday, 13 July 2017 11:31 (eleven months ago) Permalink

thanks - great posts and suggestions everyone! i need to just get a real turntable for once =)

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 14 July 2017 13:37 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i bought a new Audio Technica due to this thread and it sounds AMAZING. holy shit the sound is crystal clear. i also bought the new Yuzo Koshiro "The Revenge of Shinobi" LP and it arrived with the turntable. it also sounds amazing. really crystal clear, really quiet during the silent parts.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 27 July 2017 04:27 (ten months ago) Permalink

nice enjoy!

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 July 2017 19:36 (ten months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Okay. SO. A quick recap. Bought a Philips 212 with original cartridge, the sound blew me away, but it would skip on any record with the slightest scratch or speck of dirt.

Bought a AT95E with elliptical stylus, installed it, managed to fuck my tonearm up, only just got a dude to fix it for me.

Now it's playing properly, it's playing every scratched and dirty record with nary a skip. But. It just doesn't sound as good, as wide, as the original Philips cartridge. I can't explain it, but everything sounds bunched up, like there's a little high-end distortion.

The Philips cartridge is a 400ii. I've seen that there's an elliptical stylus on the market for the 401, which seems v similar to the stylii I used to buy for the 400ii, does anyone know if it be possible to place this elliptical stylus in the 400ii cartridge? And is it the fact that an elliptical needle digs so much deeper that's the reason the AT95E doesn't sound so great?

I'm no audiophile, I'm just surprised as all the reviews for the AT95E rave bout the amazing sound you hear. But it just doesn't sound amazing to me, after the old cartridge on the Philips.

not not not not yr academy (stevie), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 07:05 (ten months ago) Permalink

Quick Google search shows that both use the Pfanstiehl 595-d7 so they should be cross-compatible. Just make sure to adjust your tracking force as appropriate.

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 09:01 (ten months ago) Permalink

Thank Gott!

not not not not yr academy (stevie), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 09:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

And can anyone back me up on the AT95E? Am I being too picky and expecting too much from a budget cartridge?

not not not not yr academy (stevie), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 09:10 (ten months ago) Permalink

Stuff seems more sibilant than I want it to, than it did before on the earlier cartridge...

not not not not yr academy (stevie), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 09:11 (ten months ago) Permalink

With the original cartridge did you try raising the amount of counter-weight to see if that helped the skipping?

Moodles, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 12:22 (ten months ago) Permalink

Yeah, still didn't help.

not not not not yr academy (stevie), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 12:35 (ten months ago) Permalink

I think with AT carts you can upgrade the needle onto the same assembly but honestly at that point you might want to spring for a better cart. I just got a new cart and I live in the same city as the Needle Doctor retail store, dude was really passionate about recommending this new AT model over the Ortofon 2MBlue....has a microline stylus which he said is unheard of at this price point, still it might be more than you want to spend and i bet for another $100 ish you could upgrade your needle on the 95


Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 14:13 (ten months ago) Permalink

also when you buy a cart there they install and balance etc it for free and seriously i'm so glad never to have to fuck w/that god bless y'all

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 14:14 (ten months ago) Permalink

Thanks Matt!

not not not not yr academy (stevie), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 14:30 (ten months ago) Permalink

eight months pass...



the late great, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 19:06 (one month ago) Permalink

uhhhhhh shit. gonna have to go buy some expensive styli now.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 May 2018 00:12 (one month ago) Permalink

Man I was considering upgrading to a Shure cartridge. That would be a bad idea now, right?

(That said my current cart is from the 70s and I'm still able to get styli for that)

Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Wednesday, 2 May 2018 06:51 (one month ago) Permalink

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