Search And Destroy: Afghan Whigs

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BECAUSE SOMEBODY DEMANDED IT! Farewell Afghan Whigs. And as the ever-estimable Pinefox mentioned somewhere else, can we limit it to ONE thing searched and one destroyed (thing = album, single, track, tour, whatever unit of musical currency takes yer fancy).

Oh yeah, and let's tighten things up even more. If you're going to answer S you have to answer D, and vice versa.

Tom, Tuesday, 13 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search: "My Curse," with Marcy Mays from Scrawl doing the vocals. Lurvly.

Destroy: Greg Dulli's face fungus. Okay, fine, it's not *musical*, Tom, but as you've argued yourself, image is just as much a part of the situation, is it not? ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search: their cover of the Ass Pony's "Mr Superlove" on the B-side of the Gentleman CD single. All your usual Whigs-tastic mayhem, but with BANJOS too!!

Destroy: 1965. Just 'cos.

alex thomson, Tuesday, 13 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Are you *really* saying that the Afghan Whigs have never recorded a bad song? ;)

Anyway. Search: The first side of '1965' - the sleekest rock they ever made but somehow the sexiest too.

Destroy - the second side of '1965' - a sudden descent into Primal Scream style Southern kitsch.

Tom, Tuesday, 13 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

they were quite funny live, all those monologues and stuff. I never really liked the cover of Gentlemen, a little creppy, but who am I to stand in the way of artistic expression?. bye!

jel, Tuesday, 13 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

creepy even!

jel, Tuesday, 13 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

You said something to destroy, Tom -- fine, I want *that* destroyed. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search: Gentleman (duh). Destroy: 1965. I still think they were the Blues Brothers on the last couple tours.

Andy, Tuesday, 13 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search: Big Top Halloween (they've done themselves a big disservice over the years by not reissuing this).

Destroy: All of 1965 *except* "Omerta/Vampire Lanois."

J.Lu, Tuesday, 13 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search and Destroy - what a great format!

Search: Bootleg copy of a CONGREGATION-era show I saw where Greg Dulli returns to the stage during Teenage Fanclub's set to put the lead vocals on TFC's "Everything Flows". Or was it "The Concept"...? I was in such bliss maybe I blacked out...

Destroy: A lot of BLACK LOVE. A few great songs but...

Tim Baier, Tuesday, 13 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search: Uptown Avondale, "Be Sweet", "Lost in the Supermarket"

Destroy: Most of Up in it & Congregation; second side of 1965 (but only because the album would be absolutely perfect without it; as it is, it's still pretty good); fat, drunken, bar-fighting Greg Dulli

larmey, Tuesday, 13 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search - "Milez iz ded" (dont forget the alcohol oh baby) Destroy - erm...

simon, Tuesday, 13 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I just don't understand the acclaim for the Afghan Whigs. (Terrible name, by the way) The supposed soul influence just doesn't come through. How the hell does a few soft-porn lyrics and the occasional 'I wanna take you higher, girl' slapped on top of a grunge-ordinaire sludge equate to 'soul'? "Hey let's get a clavinet in, cos Stevie Wonder used to play one of those. Don't want it too high in the mix though".

'Gentlemen' - dire and tuneless - Destroy. 'Black Love' - little better. '1965' - the best of a bad lot. Search for "Uptown Again"

Yeah, I know there's other, earlier stuff that I haven't heard. Yeah, I know there's an EP of, no surely not, SOUL COVERS! Who cares.

Dr. C, Thursday, 15 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Word Dr.C! They were shite, although you could search for the very funny NME interview with Dulli on his drug-exploits while skiing.

Omar, Thursday, 15 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

search: 'miles iz ded'/'rebirth of the cool.'

destroy: i really didn't like that twilight singers record all that much, with the exception of the first track. can that count?

(hey, you want the blues brothers, by the way, you should listen to the first track off the delta 72's '000.')

maura, Thursday, 15 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

nine months pass...
Search: Gentlemen. I didn't like the album at first, but it ages like wine. Search: Antoher band as unique as the Whigs...do they fit snugly into any genre? Destroy: whatever made them break up...now Generation X is up shit creek musically. Cobain's dead, STP sucks now, Pearl Jam finds a way to suck harder with every new record, and nothing on 120 minutes keeps me interested anymore. Fuck....

Antoine harris, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Revive.


Only because after giving it some time, and many listens, I realize 1965 is a brilliant record. It's hard to get passed the production, which is so sleek it cuts them off, but I love the songs, and the guitar work and vocals are amazing.

David Allen, Saturday, 8 November 2003 05:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: their cover of "Creep" by TLC. Dulli knew how to pick a cover that suited his voice and sensibility perfectly.

Destroy: Black Love. A meandering, hookless soup of despair.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 8 November 2003 06:06 (eighteen years ago) link

And yes, 1965 is underrated, especially on this thread.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 8 November 2003 06:07 (eighteen years ago) link

1965 is fantabulous. Absolutely dripping in smut.

Nick H, Saturday, 8 November 2003 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Destroy: Black Love. A meandering, hookless soup of despair.

It's many things, Black Love is -- but "hookless" isn't one of them.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 8 November 2003 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: 1965
Destroy: Gentlemen, which put me off them for a long time.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Saturday, 8 November 2003 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: their cover of "Creep" by TLC. Dulli knew how to pick a cover that suited his voice and sensibility perfectly.

Definitely, see their "Lost In the Supermarket", too.

-Colin

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Saturday, 8 November 2003 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah that Lost In The Supermarket cover is ace! Which is especially funny cuz basically everything else on that Clash tribute album is horrible.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 8 November 2003 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, I think in hindsight I only like "Congregation" and "Uptown Avondale".

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 8 November 2003 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

search: the major label albums (especially the two on Elektra), the first Twilight Singers album, "I'm Her Slave," "Milez Is Ded," "Conjure Me," "Turn On The Water," the actual covers on Uptown Avondale, the covers of "Miss World," "Creep," "Lost In The Supermarket," "Mr. Superlove," the Skip Spence cover.

destroy: that horrific remix of "Milez Is Ded" called "Rebirth Of The Cool" on Uptown, the songs on Congregation I didn't search (ESPECIALLY "The Temple"), the second Twilight Singers album (though a stray great track might reveal itself to me later), and if we could bleep out the bullshit references to the devil from all tracks that'd be great.

I haven't heard anything before Congregation.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 8 November 2003 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

It's many things, Black Love is -- but "hookless" isn't one of them.

Oh, no! It's the Strokes argument all over again!

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 8 November 2003 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

So, Twilight Singers tonight.

Dulli sounded great, his band sounded great--and not unlike the Whigs at all. There's something about when he's playing (and I use that term loosely, because while he had a guitar strapped on, I'm not convinced that it was actually plugged in) that no matter what he quotes or plays (a Kate Bush song, A Love Supreme, etc.) it seems like music was absolutely meant to sound exactly this way and no other.

On the other hand, he rambled more than I remember--no one to rein him in, I guess. And he made a long, convoluted (I guess) tribute to Elliott Smith which was frankly awful. If he was your friend, fine, play a song and shut the fuck up--it's not something I want to hear him use in his Mr Superlove shtick.

So same old, I guess--way over the top, not someone I wanna be friends with, fucking sounded great. But not as good as the Whigs.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Saturday, 15 November 2003 06:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Greg Dulli - is the fact that he's an asshole redeemed by the fact that his songs are about the fact that he's an asshole?

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 15 November 2003 06:38 (eighteen years ago) link

whoa. too many facts in that sentence.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 15 November 2003 06:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Mookieproof -- where were you in the Cat tonight? I was up front on the left with some friends of mine.

Also, did you stay for the second encore?

j.lu (j.lu), Saturday, 15 November 2003 07:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the 2nd Twilight album. Whoever reviewed it as "pomp rock" was dead on. I am seeing him Monday night. My first Dulli encounter.

bnw (bnw), Saturday, 15 November 2003 08:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Whoever reviewed it as "pomp rock" was dead on.

Last night Dulli praised The Darkness. And I so wished I had my cigarette lighter when they played "Faded."

j.lu (j.lu), Saturday, 15 November 2003 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I keep meaning to give the second TS album another try but I think the problem is I like the original so much, that I'm disappointed he didn't head further into that direction. Black Love (esp. "Faded" and "Bulletproof") is the awesome god of pomp.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 15 November 2003 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I was kind of hoping for more R&B flavor. (What I especially love about 'Clyde' on the 1st album is that as soon as that beat starts up, people will look at you like you put on a porno.) The low point of the Blackberry Belle has to be the 'dark side of the moon' ending with the woman screeching. Ick.

bnw (bnw), Saturday, 15 November 2003 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

This is probably one of the more on the pipe things I could say but I think that Justin Timberlake would KILL to make an album like the first Twilight Singers album. He'd be all "oooh I actually sound like an adult!"

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 15 November 2003 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Guh.... that was the best show I have been to in like 5 years. Whigs songs "66" "Uptown Again" "If I Were Going" which was more a crowd sing-a-long. Covers "purple rain" "hey ya" some fleetwood mac. Dulli babbled a ton. I was front and center. So so good.

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 07:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I finally got around to buying an Afghan Whigs album (though actually I used to have Gentleman on tape a long time ago), since apparently I resemble Dulli (hopefully in his younger, hottter days). I bought Black Love because it was used. Pretty good. More dramatic than what I usually listen to, but pretty good. Need to listen to it more.

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i went to an afghan whigs show about 3-4 years ago and don't remember one lick of what they played. damn little barrells of Mickeys will do that to ya.

Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Black Love - as a fairly clueless young music fan I bought this without having heard anything by the band... I've never regretted it and keep coming back to it - compare that to all the albums I bought only to find that the single I already had was the only good thing on it or that the band I thought I loved had lost it... "Hookless" = you are on crack.

Destroy: my current financial state which means I have no idea when I can get hold of the new Twilight Singers album.

Flyboy (Flyboy), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 13:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Greg Dulli - is the fact that he's an asshole redeemed by the fact that his songs are about the fact that he's an asshole?

I think it's an act, the whole asshole thing. I think he's a nice er gentleman.

scott m (mcd), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey j.lu--

Yeah, I was there, but had to leave early (i.e. 1:15) due to some, er, relationship issues. So I missed the encores. :(

See, the problem with these late shows is that it gives you way too much time to drink beforehand...

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone heard their cover of "If only I had a heart"? Fantastic.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Congregation
Gentlemen

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

about 10 years ago, they put this really great song "delta kong" on selected german versions of the "come on the water" single.

there's a crappy mp3 floating around on soulseek.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone heard their cover of "If only I had a heart"? Fantastic.

Among the reasons the Whigs never had a big crossover hit: most of their best songs wound up as import CD single b-sides.

j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...
Back together!? (for four tracks on a forthcoming compilation, but hey)

http://www.summerskiss.com/category/news/

StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 20:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh. Sorry.

Search: everything between their first and last albums.
Destroy: their first and last albums.

StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 20:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Maybe it wasn't their best album but I don't think there was anything wrong with 1965.
Congregation to 1965 was a fine run of albums.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 21:02 (fifteen years ago) link

As I've said on other threads, "Gentlemen" is THE best break-up album ever, full stop.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 22:33 (fifteen years ago) link

I like this tons, but the lower timbre of his voice seems to have changed. Not necessarily for the worse, just different.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 February 2020 23:51 (two years ago) link

started checking out in spades after catching up on the new album and......it rules. every song from oriole on is this incredible mini-epic. it's like he closes the album 6 times. i wasn't a big fan of do the beast which is why i ignored in spades but i probably need to reassess that one too.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 February 2020 00:17 (two years ago) link

do to the beast is fine with a few real highlights like "lost in the woods" and "the lottery", though in spades is definitely a step up. at the time i was a little disappointed in it as an afghan whigs reunion album since it felt a little more removed from their classic sound than i expected, but i've come around.

ufo, Thursday, 27 February 2020 00:48 (two years ago) link

skimming through it now how did i forget about "can rova", it's beautiful

ufo, Thursday, 27 February 2020 00:54 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

My old friend/old school Whigs fan and I both watched the solo Dulli concert (recording 👎🏻) and were actually satisfied to very satisfied w our experience. Anyone else watch it?? I loooooooved hearing his songs basically in demo form. It made me more interested in the new album too.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 2 August 2020 19:45 (two years ago) link

nine months pass...

thinking about running an afghan whigs/greg dulli poll (since there's another lull in the poll no one else is filling) starting next week, there'd be interest for it right?

i figure there's no reason not to include twilight singers, gutter twins, dulli solo in the main poll since with the whigs reunion albums the distinction between all of dulli's projects has become very little. poll categories would be tracks, albums, and covers?

ufo, Thursday, 20 May 2021 10:50 (one year ago) link

yes!

g simmel, Thursday, 20 May 2021 11:00 (one year ago) link

I would partake

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 20 May 2021 11:42 (one year ago) link

oh yeah i already have a ballot in my head

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 May 2021 12:09 (one year ago) link

heck yeah

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 20 May 2021 13:29 (one year ago) link

I'd come up with a ballot for this.

BlackIronPrison, Thursday, 20 May 2021 14:50 (one year ago) link

i'll go ahead with it next week then

ufo, Thursday, 20 May 2021 14:51 (one year ago) link

i'm in

building a hole (NickB), Thursday, 20 May 2021 14:51 (one year ago) link

taking terrible pun thread title suggestions in the meantime

ufo, Thursday, 20 May 2021 15:00 (one year ago) link

don't forget the afghan poll (ooh baby) (ooh baby)

mookieproof, Thursday, 20 May 2021 15:10 (one year ago) link

I'm in.

Put on your old fur POLL it's 1973.
A lie, the truth, which one should I POLL?

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Thursday, 20 May 2021 16:09 (one year ago) link

will vote.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 20 May 2021 16:16 (one year ago) link

Poles iz Dead

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 May 2021 16:20 (one year ago) link

Whoops, lol.

Polls iz Dead

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 May 2021 16:20 (one year ago) link

I got a dick for a brain, and my brain is gonna poll my ass to you

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 May 2021 16:21 (one year ago) link

hey cuz, i'm polling who wants to get hiiiiiiiigh?

building a hole (NickB), Thursday, 20 May 2021 16:34 (one year ago) link

been a long time since i listened to any whigs btw, be interesting to see how they hold up. also i'm pretty sure there's some ugly stuff in their music that i didn't really dwell on too much the first time round and i'm not sure how i'm going to process that in 2021. i mean i just watched the video for 'sister brother' and jfc wtf, someone is going to have to unpack that one for me

building a hole (NickB), Thursday, 20 May 2021 16:50 (one year ago) link

ill prob be in on this

i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Thursday, 20 May 2021 17:43 (one year ago) link

I have never listened to the pre-Congregation stuff at all

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 20 May 2021 17:53 (one year ago) link

Up In It has some great songs imo! Have never heard the first album though

building a hole (NickB), Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:04 (one year ago) link

go to town
burn it down
turn around
and get your poll on baby

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:09 (one year ago) link

just to whet people's appetites, this was them on uk tv in '94, playing in front of boy george and a bunch of ravers. i remember watching this at the time and it totally floored me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsGPDAvPMMM

building a hole (NickB), Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:42 (one year ago) link

^^such a monster of a song, Still one of my favourites by them

willem, Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:52 (one year ago) link

Every secret has its price
This one's set to poll

willem, Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:53 (one year ago) link

So the stink of your poll
Sinks into my memory

Mule, Thursday, 20 May 2021 19:46 (one year ago) link

actually really excited for the covers side poll

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 May 2021 19:50 (one year ago) link

and i'm idly wondering if the poll could be won by the one song the singer didn't sing

building a hole (NickB), Thursday, 20 May 2021 19:57 (one year ago) link

mention Brother Woodrow and real heads will know

mookieproof, Friday, 21 May 2021 00:41 (one year ago) link

"Have never heard the first album though"

Couple songs from 'Big Town Halloween' (which I think the band put out) were on 'Up In It'. I was always curious about it as the studio where their first record was recorded was just around the block from me in Broad Ripple/Indianapolis when I lived there. Paul Mahern lead singer of the Zero Boys recorded that record, which I think was one of the first he did.

earlnash, Friday, 21 May 2021 05:02 (one year ago) link

Get Your POLL On, Baby: ILM Artist Poll #109 - The Afghan Whigs

ufo, Saturday, 22 May 2021 09:30 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

unchain yr mind
become divine

mookieproof, Sunday, 28 November 2021 01:52 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...

BEST LIVE BAND IS TOURING!!!!!!
https://theafghanwhigs.com/tour/

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 17:00 (five months ago) link

aghghghghghghghghgh this is making me wave Kermit arms even though there is no Chicago date...yet

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 17:01 (five months ago) link

there’s also a new song……..

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 17:25 (five months ago) link

no mpls either but milwaukee date is on a saturday could be doable

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 17:47 (five months ago) link

oh wait there's a milkwaukee date!!!
yeeeeeeeeeesssss

any info about when tickets go on sale?

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 17:49 (five months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5r_vOBgiC8

here's the new song, it's pretty good!

would probably expect the album's going to be out in may for the tour

ufo, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 23:43 (five months ago) link

This official playlist updated to lead with the new tune: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4XJK1Fcl2tTdTtiHVWu5Q8

Gary Gets His Tonsure Out (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 March 2022 01:27 (five months ago) link

Hey
Welcome home

Gary Gets His Tonsure Out (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 March 2022 02:23 (five months ago) link

some hawkwind vibes in there? or some kinda 70s thug rock thing anyway

lemmy incaution (emsworth), Tuesday, 1 March 2022 06:41 (five months ago) link

two months pass...

https://static.stereogum.com/uploads/2022/05/how-do-you-burn-1651501485.jpeg

new album how do you burn out 9/9

Greg Dulli’s frequent collaborator Mark Lanegan sang on two tracks, and provided the name How Do You Burn? Susan Marshall, who sang on the Whigs album 1965, guests on “Catch A Colt,” and Van Hunt (who’d previously toured with the Whigs and was on Do The Beast), appears on both “Jyja” and “Take Me There.” Marcy Mays, who sang on Gentlemen‘s “My Curse,” returns for “Domino And Jimmy” here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fblcAv6GRNU

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 15:14 (three months ago) link

Great news! They'll be playing in my hometown in August

willem, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 07:56 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

This dream is not a dream
I wake with it
Inside of me
Alone, I swear

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 29 July 2022 23:23 (two weeks ago) link

Seeing them tomorrow. Psyched.

Mule, Sunday, 31 July 2022 10:25 (two weeks ago) link


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