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ha ha!

just realised that i am listening to 'misunderstood' by wilco and feeling sorry for myself. ha ha. what am i like?

jimmy the doom saint, Friday, 20 February 2004 11:39 (twenty years ago) link

Don't worry, it just means you like Peter Laughner

Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Friday, 20 February 2004 11:43 (twenty years ago) link

he's the guy from the original mirrors/proto pere ubu?


wilco are the hipster's version of springsteen.

jimmy the doom saint, Friday, 20 February 2004 11:44 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah he wrote most of the lyrics for that song, unbeknownst to him

Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Friday, 20 February 2004 11:46 (twenty years ago) link

That's my favorite song of theirs, "Misunderstood."

Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 20 February 2004 11:50 (twenty years ago) link

i love wilco. i am a caliban of ilx. ha ha.

which song do they use? i've got a comp of proto-ubu stuff i've not made through yet. i could have a listen tonight.

jimmy the saints, Friday, 20 February 2004 11:52 (twenty years ago) link

(Actually I dunno if it was "most", but a LOT and kind of the germ of the thing). It's mine too Sonny. J I think it's called "Amphetamine" or something, I've never heard it. Someone here will've, tho. I think it might say in the Wilco liner notes actually

Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Friday, 20 February 2004 11:54 (twenty years ago) link

yeah its amphetimine.


cool i've got that one. yeah i dig that wilco song alot.

jimmy the doom saint, Friday, 20 February 2004 11:56 (twenty years ago) link


Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Friday, 20 February 2004 11:59 (twenty years ago) link

I love Wilco too. I don't care if it's hip dad music. I can't wait to hear the new CD.

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Friday, 20 February 2004 19:50 (twenty years ago) link

I'm down with Wilco. Though they sucked when they headlined the annual outdoor festival last April. The audience was bored and Tweedy got all "oh I'm so glad we're challenging you" and shit. I should have yelled for him to eat a dick.

Summerteeth roolz.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 20 February 2004 22:20 (twenty years ago) link

it really is their best one. new album coming soon.

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 21 February 2004 00:53 (twenty years ago) link

I should note that Bubba Sparxxx (playing Deliverance stuff before it came out) was far far worse (I just wasn't drunk yet so I didn't really care). I missed the Get Up Kids, which played between the two acts.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 February 2004 00:57 (twenty years ago) link

six years pass...

so has jeff tweedy had like work done, cos around the eye area

plax (ico), Monday, 21 June 2010 11:10 (fourteen years ago) link

ksh, where u at

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 21 June 2010 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link

he won't return my calls anymore, sorry plax

ksh, Monday, 21 June 2010 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Can't wait for Wilco to release its metal-influenced album so we can watch ksh go apeshit.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 21 June 2010 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link

would buy

ksh, Monday, 21 June 2010 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link

always thought uncle tupelo had some metal leanings every now and again.

tylerw, Monday, 21 June 2010 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link

"Black Eye" was actually the inspiration for a lot of USBM iirc

ksh, Monday, 21 June 2010 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...


perfect for a low key Friday afternoon hanging around

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link

listened to Wilco (The Album) for the first time in a while last week ... prety meh, actually! Just sounded workmanlike, not very inspired. Still think this version of Wilco has a great album in 'em, but that one ain't it.

tylerw, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link

On Rolling Nels Cline Thread, I wrote:

Wilco (the album) is a much better record [than Sky Blue Sky], and one that I'll listen to much more as time passes, but it really is a "Whitman sampler of the different aspects and obsessions of Wilco," as Tweedy called it. You have the Neu! motorik thing they did on "Spiders (Kidsmoke)" on "Bull Black Nova," the obvious "I'm A Wheel"/"Monday"/"Can't Stand It" rocker tune ("Wilco (the song)"), the unassuming acoustic number "Solitaire," which recalls "Dash 7," "Far, Far Away," "Radio Cure," "Muzzle of Bees," and most of SBS. The whole record really is a summation of their career.

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link

In that same post, I said:

Wilco is primarily a vehicle for Tweedy's creativity, and although things seem to be more stable for the band now insofar as the lineup is concerned -- no one has been fired in five years, and everyone including Tweedy (see the new Rolling Stone interview) seems to feel good about the band as a unit -- I don't think he will ever be in a place where he'd want to make another Yankee Hotel Foxtrot/A ghost is born pseudoexperimental record again. I doubt Nels will get to do any truly radical work in Wilco. (The most "radical" things he does on the new record, which are not "radical" at all, really, are these strange little backwards-guitar solos at the end of "One Wing" and "Everlasting Everything" and some feedback-soaked guitar work at the end of "Bull Black Nova.")

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, that's otm -- i just think they've done better versions of all of those things on previous albums.

tylerw, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link

they may prove me wrong on that last point, though. I've read them say things that gave me the feeling they might go more experimental on the next LP

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe i need to hear live versions of these tunes -- that's what turned me around on SBS.

tylerw, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe! they were great live when I saw them last summer. still prefer to hear them play something like "Spiders" than anything on the new record, though

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

but yeah, i think it's sort of a mistake to look at nels cline for some injection of "out there-ness" though he's obviously capable of it. Nels is probably more interested in fitting into the mainstream aspects of the band -- he's certainly got plenty of other outlets for the experimental stuff.

tylerw, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah! i think he's said as much in interviews. Glenn too. "we just play what's good for the songs." so both of them have their side projects where they do the more out their stuff, and then when they come into a Wilco sessions they just try to suit the needs of whatever's before them.

if you look at the entire Wilco discography, Jeff's probably responsible for the most out their stuff. like the solos on a ghost is born. although Jim O'Rourke probably did a lot of crazy stuff on YHF and agib, and Bennett added a lot to the former record too

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link

out *there*

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link

wilco sux

del griffith, Friday, 23 July 2010 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link


tylerw, Friday, 23 July 2010 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

i love passenger side so much

who's got the (platform) 9 3/4ths? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
three months pass...


markers, Thursday, 27 January 2011 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link

six months pass...

fuuuuuuuuck, "can't stand it" is a dope album opener

markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 04:50 (twelve years ago) link

summerteeth is so good

markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 04:51 (twelve years ago) link

however you might feel, tonight is real

markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 04:52 (twelve years ago) link

listen close when you click and my face gets sick, stuck, like a question unposed

markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 04:52 (twelve years ago) link

wilco circa 1999-2004 was just unfuckwithable

markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 05:00 (twelve years ago) link

I love that "can't stand it" was added at the last minute because reprise didn't hear a single on summerteeth.

Mucho! Macho! Honcho!: Turn Off The Dark (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 29 July 2011 06:19 (twelve years ago) link

ten months pass...

PoeticLava says:
I saw Jeff Tweedy at the North Side Chicago Chipotle 6 years ago. Don’t know what he ordered.

markers, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

Daft Punk and the Replacements among many more

curmudgeon, Saturday, 22 June 2013 21:52 (eleven years ago) link


Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 June 2013 23:57 (eleven years ago) link


Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 June 2013 00:15 (eleven years ago) link


Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 June 2013 00:18 (eleven years ago) link

You can hear her on this record, but let's be honest, it would take a pretty strong producer to push Tweedy around at all.

alpine static, Friday, 29 September 2023 22:20 (nine months ago) link

The new album is fine. Just don't get how he's more prolific than ever but his vibe is so lethargic

PaulTMA, Saturday, 30 September 2023 13:12 (nine months ago) link

he's got unlimited access to a free studio space near his home. and he has time. he goes there every day and writes another song by himself, with his friend / studio manager hitting record. there's nothing at all to push him in any sort of interesting direction or force him into any sort of urgency, etc.

the other guys in the band contribute to the arrangements, but by that time the song is pretty much set - especially the vocals and vocal melodies, which imo are the biggest issue with Wilco songs right now.

i am somewhat speculating here, but to me that sounds like a pretty direct path to the rut he has been in for 10 years now.

alpine static, Sunday, 1 October 2023 09:37 (nine months ago) link

idk he wrote some pretty solid stuff on cruel country so if they just took a more self-consciously arty approach to the arrangements again with some of tweedy's stronger, more direct songs then that could be quite decent

apparently the songs on this one weren't all written together or anything though, tweedy got le bon to dig through a bunch of demos & studio outtakes from the last 10 years and pick out songs to work on. it sounds like some were more recent songs that they'd been working on before they got side-tracked with cruel country, but some date further back.

ufo, Sunday, 1 October 2023 10:09 (nine months ago) link

oh see, i didn't know that part about le bon digging thru the archives. i guess by "somewhat speculating" i mean "talking out of my ass" :)

i agree that Cruel Country contains strong material ... it's just too long, imo, but if they'd kept it to 12ish songs, it'd be a post-YHF high point.

alpine static, Sunday, 1 October 2023 10:44 (nine months ago) link

i didn't either, i just read a bunch of recent interviews because i was curious. they gave le bon a lot of control over the shape of the arrangements too

idk what i'd cut from cruel country though, it's definitely longer than it needs to be but there aren't really any obvious duds

ufo, Sunday, 1 October 2023 11:09 (nine months ago) link

maybe what we need more of from them is exploratory jams like "bird without a tail"

ufo, Sunday, 1 October 2023 11:11 (nine months ago) link

They were still writing and playing with teeth on Star Wars, I guess that was 8 years ago but I had given up on them kicking out the jams again when that came out and proved me wrong. “Cold Slope” is top ten Wilco for me I think.

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 1 October 2023 11:54 (nine months ago) link

Star Was is indeed fantastic, seems odd that the Schmilco half was was the most blah thing they've put to tape

PaulTMA, Sunday, 1 October 2023 12:24 (nine months ago) link

That's for sure - it's like they decided to put out the interesting stuff first, and if people like it, maybe they can put out the boring leftovers as a holding pattern.

birdistheword, Sunday, 1 October 2023 22:31 (nine months ago) link

that’s bullshit imo, schmilco is full of great songs and bizarre shit

ivy., Sunday, 1 October 2023 22:39 (nine months ago) link

i understand why ppl think it’s boring, it’s a much calmer and subtler palette, but it’s pretty much just as wacky as star wars, just from the opposite angle

ivy., Sunday, 1 October 2023 22:44 (nine months ago) link

I haven't heard the new album yet, but... Unlike most everyone I genuinely think all of their/his albums have at least a few high quality songs. The vibe has definitely gotten sleepier and staid as he's gotten older, and its understandable why most people would interpret that as Jeff running in place creatively.

However, while the artistic "shifts" are subtler, I still believe I could distinguish near every album from one another if you were to play me a random song from side B that I hadn't listened to in a few years. And they still sound like Wilco and no one else, and I'm not sure who you could point to that sounds a lot like them making music today, and that suggests to me that they still have a unique sound that is mainly due to Jeff's songwriting and their undeniable musical talents (Glenn, Nels). I'm not going to pretend his songwriting is anywhere near as good as it once was, but I'm perfectly happy to listen to a new Wilco album every year or two even if 75% of it is just ok.

Indexed, Monday, 2 October 2023 15:00 (nine months ago) link

Great post Indexed, I think there's a lot of truth to that.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 October 2023 15:19 (nine months ago) link

I haven't heard it yet! but I would say active enough that it's not boring. assuming it is.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, September 29, 2023 5:11 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

well keep us posted

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 October 2023 15:22 (nine months ago) link

For those who missed the Wilco/Tweedy poll, there were songs from 18 different albums that made the top 77, every album but Love is King had at least one song that received a vote, and roughly ~60% of his songs received at least one vote. Like any band that's been around as long as they have, I think there are just different fans for different "eras" of their catalogue. Everyone seems to like YHF, and most everyone seems to like Summerteeth, but after that I think it's pretty wide open.

Indexed, Monday, 2 October 2023 15:47 (nine months ago) link

what confuses me is why there needs to be six people in the band

budo jeru, Thursday, 5 October 2023 13:31 (nine months ago) link

To be fair, they tour a lot and rarely seem to hire additional personnel for those tours like some other long-running acts, so maybe six is ideal?

birdistheword, Thursday, 5 October 2023 18:38 (nine months ago) link

The best, or at least most intense, I ever saw the band was in the early YHF days, post Bennett, when iirc they were a four-piece, with Leroy Bach swapping between keys and guitar.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 October 2023 19:20 (nine months ago) link

I actually thought this was an interesting read:


Not sure I'd 100% cosign all of it, but some really good points about how weird expectations have gotten around this band and how specific fans seems to want to hear specific things. I've listened to Cousin twice now and I like it well enough. I do wish there was a little more Le Bon weirdness evident, but close listening reveals quite a bit under the surface.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 October 2023 17:23 (nine months ago) link

That's great. Thanks for sharing it.

Indexed, Monday, 9 October 2023 17:45 (nine months ago) link

Everything said in that article makes sense if your point of reference for experimental music is Radiohead, as it is for the author.

zacata, Monday, 9 October 2023 17:52 (nine months ago) link

they should get sparhawk & bj burton in

― ufo, Friday, September 29, 2023 4:38 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hell, just have Tweedy make the hot tag with those two and you’d have a Wilco I could get behind.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 9 October 2023 17:54 (nine months ago) link

two months pass...

I've been going through a stack of bootleg CD-R's that I dug out of storage, and one of them is (most of) Wilco's set from Summerfest in Milwaukee, WI from July 4, 1998. Great soundboard recording, possibly no generational loss, this is right on the heels of Mermaid Avenue. (Billy Bragg is even playing that same day, albeit in NYC, drawing most of his setlist from that same album as well.) The standout is actually the-yet-to-be-released "I'm Always in Love," and I never realized how much they sweetened it up for Summerteeth. When I first heard it there, I immediately thought "Beach Boys," but here it sounds like it came out of a spot-on cover of the Velvet Underground's "I'm Waiting for the Man."

birdistheword, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 08:09 (six months ago) link

There’s some pretty interesting shit happening on Cousin, I’m beginning to realise. The songs sound slightly listless on a casual listen but there’s a submarine pull to them which is kind of sick and thrilling. I’m a bit obsessed with “Levee” at the moment.

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 11:44 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

i'm realising cousin feels most like a sequel to a ghost is born? similarly mellow/restrained with a lot of songs driven by piano or fingerpicked acoustic guitar, and weird atmospherics in the background. i'm appreciating it more now and it even holds together better than a ghost is born even if it doesn't reach the same highs. they should probably put out a follow-up live album though because i bet the songs really work better live, just like a ghost is born

they've also just toured japan for the first time in 8 years so maybe there'll be progress on that third loose fur album at last?

ufo, Sunday, 10 March 2024 12:02 (four months ago) link

This has probably been mentioned upthread somewhere, but after years of wondering what the cover of summerteeth was supposed to be I looked it up. It's a person blowing a gigantic bubble of bubble gum.

Cow_Art, Sunday, 10 March 2024 12:36 (four months ago) link

they really are the best live band in the world it turns out. easily one of the best shows i've ever seen. they jammed out "bird without a tail" for 9 minutes and it really deserves to be a permanent live staple now. "at least that's what you said" was genuinely kinda life affirming as silly as it sounds. even "how to fight loneliness", which is hardly my favourite, was pretty great and way better than the album version

is kotche the best drummer in the history of rock?

ufo, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 13:23 (three months ago) link

i wish i'd managed to get a ticket for last night too now

ufo, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 13:23 (three months ago) link

Kotche is great. He's the king of underplaying, which is an invisible skill that often goes (not surprisingly) unnoticed. "Check out all the stuff he's not doing!" But he's really sneakily creative about what he's not playing, and you know he's one of the greats because everyone, from other drummers on down, recognizes he's great *despite* the underplaying.

I still haven't heard the new record (or the previous three, tbh), but the new song I hear sometimes ("Meant to Be"?) is really good and not at all what I expected. Super poppy, sounds a little like the Pretenders.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 13:41 (three months ago) link

what really stuck out to me about kotche was how much nuance there was in his playing, it was incredibly detailed. he was pretty much always doing something interesting and intricate, though never doing too much. cline is an absolutely incredible player too of course and it was pretty amazing how much the two of them add to the pre-yhf songs.

the last two albums are some of the strongest they've made in quite a while, especially cruel country, they're definitely worth checking out. "bird without a tail" off cruel country is the best thing they've done in over a decade, although the studio version pales in comparison to what they've turned it into live. they finally have a second "impossible germany" and sansone gets to go wild alongside cline on it

ufo, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 14:12 (three months ago) link

Cline gets much of the attention but I think Kotche is the most talented musician in the band. Both have created a style completely their own that is immediately recognizable and yet impossible to recreate. I've never heard anyone say "check out this new band, their drummer reminds me of Glenn."

Indexed, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 14:25 (three months ago) link

three months pass...

new ep is rather nice! it's material they didn't finish during the cousin sessions but it's generally better than most of what made the album


ufo, Thursday, 27 June 2024 21:13 (two weeks ago) link

Is there anywhere else to hear this than YouTube?

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 28 June 2024 07:08 (two weeks ago) link

(Thank you for sharing ,ufo - just weird this isn’t on Bandcamp or a streaming service)

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 28 June 2024 07:09 (two weeks ago) link

it's on streaming services but idk why it isn't on their bandcamp yet

ufo, Friday, 28 June 2024 07:38 (two weeks ago) link

this ep is probably their best front-to-back release since sky blue sky? there's a lot of ideas here and they're all good and they're completely playing to their strengths for once

ufo, Friday, 28 June 2024 12:30 (two weeks ago) link

Up on Bandcamp now (and I see it on Apple Music)

Whoever handles this in their camp just didn’t have these things in place right at midnight

I’ve enjoyed this EP more than I’ve enjoyed anything this band has done since Star Wars

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 28 June 2024 12:41 (two weeks ago) link

i quite liked the last two albums as well so they're on a bit of a roll at the moment

ufo, Friday, 28 June 2024 12:46 (two weeks ago) link

yeah this is excellent!

Indexed, Friday, 28 June 2024 14:52 (two weeks ago) link

Really good! Not sure why they couldn't have incorporated much of this into Cousin... which itself is fine, but balancing out the more sleepy Wilco I think others would agree would be welcome these days

PaulTMA, Friday, 28 June 2024 15:24 (two weeks ago) link

It just kind of rollicks by so satisfyingly. Being 18 minutes helps. A nice early summer listen.

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 28 June 2024 15:24 (two weeks ago) link

Anyone else at Solid Sound this weekend?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 29 June 2024 00:03 (one week ago) link

This release came out out of nowhere and I was fully expecting it to be some tossed off affair but it’s got at least three excellent album-worthy songs on it. What gives

PaulTMA, Saturday, 29 June 2024 08:39 (one week ago) link

xp I'm at Solid Sound. Really enjoyed the deep cuts set last night.

henry s, Saturday, 29 June 2024 12:44 (one week ago) link

Hey, this EP is really nice indeed... first thing by them that has caught my ear in a long time. I'll have to check out last year's album.

Stockton Asparagus Festival (morrisp), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 00:49 (one week ago) link


the main thing people who haven't kept up with them for a while have missed is "bird without a tail"

ufo, Wednesday, 3 July 2024 01:59 (one week ago) link

and “levee”

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 05:48 (one week ago) link

wow i sure do love silly goose wilco

ivy., Wednesday, 3 July 2024 14:23 (one week ago) link

Ufo, that was the song I liked most from that record

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 14:42 (one week ago) link

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