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ha ha!

just realised that i am listening to 'misunderstood' by wilco and feeling sorry for myself. ha ha. what am i like?

jimmy the doom saint, Friday, 20 February 2004 11:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't worry, it just means you like Peter Laughner

Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Friday, 20 February 2004 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link

he's the guy from the original mirrors/proto pere ubu?

right?

wilco are the hipster's version of springsteen.

jimmy the doom saint, Friday, 20 February 2004 11:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah he wrote most of the lyrics for that song, unbeknownst to him

Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Friday, 20 February 2004 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

That's my favorite song of theirs, "Misunderstood."

Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 20 February 2004 11:50 (seventeen years ago) link

i love wilco. i am a caliban of ilx. ha ha.

which song do they use? i've got a comp of proto-ubu stuff i've not made through yet. i could have a listen tonight.

jimmy the saints, Friday, 20 February 2004 11:52 (seventeen years ago) link

(Actually I dunno if it was "most", but a LOT and kind of the germ of the thing). It's mine too Sonny. J I think it's called "Amphetamine" or something, I've never heard it. Someone here will've, tho. I think it might say in the Wilco liner notes actually

Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Friday, 20 February 2004 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah its amphetimine.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDCASS70402200601010102&sql=A3fzsa9wgq230

cool i've got that one. yeah i dig that wilco song alot.

jimmy the doom saint, Friday, 20 February 2004 11:56 (seventeen years ago) link

AH BUT IS IT A WILCO SONG blah blah

Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Friday, 20 February 2004 11:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I love Wilco too. I don't care if it's hip dad music. I can't wait to hear the new CD.

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Friday, 20 February 2004 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm down with Wilco. Though they sucked when they headlined the annual outdoor festival last April. The audience was bored and Tweedy got all "oh I'm so glad we're challenging you" and shit. I should have yelled for him to eat a dick.

Summerteeth roolz.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 20 February 2004 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

it really is their best one. new album coming soon.

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 21 February 2004 00:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I should note that Bubba Sparxxx (playing Deliverance stuff before it came out) was far far worse (I just wasn't drunk yet so I didn't really care). I missed the Get Up Kids, which played between the two acts.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 February 2004 00:57 (seventeen years ago) link

six years pass...

so has jeff tweedy had like work done, cos around the eye area

plax (ico), Monday, 21 June 2010 11:10 (eleven years ago) link

ksh, where u at

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 21 June 2010 15:41 (eleven years ago) link

he won't return my calls anymore, sorry plax

ksh, Monday, 21 June 2010 15:44 (eleven years ago) link

Can't wait for Wilco to release its metal-influenced album so we can watch ksh go apeshit.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 21 June 2010 15:50 (eleven years ago) link

would buy

ksh, Monday, 21 June 2010 16:14 (eleven years ago) link

always thought uncle tupelo had some metal leanings every now and again.

tylerw, Monday, 21 June 2010 16:19 (eleven years ago) link

"Black Eye" was actually the inspiration for a lot of USBM iirc

ksh, Monday, 21 June 2010 16:19 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG9LZvKDEZ0

perfect for a low key Friday afternoon hanging around

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:31 (eleven years ago) link

listened to Wilco (The Album) for the first time in a while last week ... prety meh, actually! Just sounded workmanlike, not very inspired. Still think this version of Wilco has a great album in 'em, but that one ain't it.

tylerw, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:42 (eleven years ago) link

On Rolling Nels Cline Thread, I wrote:

Wilco (the album) is a much better record [than Sky Blue Sky], and one that I'll listen to much more as time passes, but it really is a "Whitman sampler of the different aspects and obsessions of Wilco," as Tweedy called it. You have the Neu! motorik thing they did on "Spiders (Kidsmoke)" on "Bull Black Nova," the obvious "I'm A Wheel"/"Monday"/"Can't Stand It" rocker tune ("Wilco (the song)"), the unassuming acoustic number "Solitaire," which recalls "Dash 7," "Far, Far Away," "Radio Cure," "Muzzle of Bees," and most of SBS. The whole record really is a summation of their career.

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:47 (eleven years ago) link

In that same post, I said:

Wilco is primarily a vehicle for Tweedy's creativity, and although things seem to be more stable for the band now insofar as the lineup is concerned -- no one has been fired in five years, and everyone including Tweedy (see the new Rolling Stone interview) seems to feel good about the band as a unit -- I don't think he will ever be in a place where he'd want to make another Yankee Hotel Foxtrot/A ghost is born pseudoexperimental record again. I doubt Nels will get to do any truly radical work in Wilco. (The most "radical" things he does on the new record, which are not "radical" at all, really, are these strange little backwards-guitar solos at the end of "One Wing" and "Everlasting Everything" and some feedback-soaked guitar work at the end of "Bull Black Nova.")

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:47 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, that's otm -- i just think they've done better versions of all of those things on previous albums.

tylerw, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:49 (eleven years ago) link

they may prove me wrong on that last point, though. I've read them say things that gave me the feeling they might go more experimental on the next LP

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:49 (eleven years ago) link

maybe i need to hear live versions of these tunes -- that's what turned me around on SBS.

tylerw, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:51 (eleven years ago) link

maybe! they were great live when I saw them last summer. still prefer to hear them play something like "Spiders" than anything on the new record, though

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:52 (eleven years ago) link

but yeah, i think it's sort of a mistake to look at nels cline for some injection of "out there-ness" though he's obviously capable of it. Nels is probably more interested in fitting into the mainstream aspects of the band -- he's certainly got plenty of other outlets for the experimental stuff.

tylerw, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:52 (eleven years ago) link

yeah! i think he's said as much in interviews. Glenn too. "we just play what's good for the songs." so both of them have their side projects where they do the more out their stuff, and then when they come into a Wilco sessions they just try to suit the needs of whatever's before them.

if you look at the entire Wilco discography, Jeff's probably responsible for the most out their stuff. like the solos on a ghost is born. although Jim O'Rourke probably did a lot of crazy stuff on YHF and agib, and Bennett added a lot to the former record too

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:58 (eleven years ago) link

out *there*

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:59 (eleven years ago) link

wilco sux

del griffith, Friday, 23 July 2010 21:28 (eleven years ago) link

http://beckyyamamoto.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/dawson-crying.jpg

tylerw, Friday, 23 July 2010 21:46 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

i love passenger side so much

who's got the (platform) 9 3/4ths? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 16:37 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...
three months pass...

http://pitchfork.com/news/41372-wilco-start-their-own-label/

markers, Thursday, 27 January 2011 03:16 (ten years ago) link

six months pass...

fuuuuuuuuck, "can't stand it" is a dope album opener

markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 04:50 (ten years ago) link

summerteeth is so good

markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 04:51 (ten years ago) link

however you might feel, tonight is real

markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 04:52 (ten years ago) link

listen close when you click and my face gets sick, stuck, like a question unposed

markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 04:52 (ten years ago) link

wilco circa 1999-2004 was just unfuckwithable

markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 05:00 (ten years ago) link

I love that "can't stand it" was added at the last minute because reprise didn't hear a single on summerteeth.

Mucho! Macho! Honcho!: Turn Off The Dark (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 29 July 2011 06:19 (ten years ago) link

ten months pass...

PoeticLava says:
I saw Jeff Tweedy at the North Side Chicago Chipotle 6 years ago. Don’t know what he ordered.

markers, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 21:18 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Daft Punk and the Replacements among many more

curmudgeon, Saturday, 22 June 2013 21:52 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcL4zJxBMH8

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 June 2013 23:57 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwHqRi468ic

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 June 2013 00:15 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYixOQ2vxzM

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 June 2013 00:18 (eight years ago) link

That's actually a good question. I've seen them a bunch, but all the most memorable ones were up to and including behind YHF. Since then the band has been remarkably consistent live. My favorite was a stand they did here for five nights where over the course of the week they played every song they'd ever recorded to date, including the one from the Sponge Bob movie. I saw a great Golden Smog set back in ... 1998? That was when Tweedy/Wilco was still in rock and tumble shambling mode.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 01:47 (seven months ago) link

This was a great one I saw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7pY6UPPbVQ

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 01:48 (seven months ago) link

from videos ive seen the yhf tour was their weakest, due to the transitional lineup where tweedy was the only guitarist

ufo, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 01:58 (seven months ago) link

That wasn't my experience, those shows were pretty intense, iirc. Plus Leroy Bach played guitar, too. Definitely transitional, though.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 02:37 (seven months ago) link

^^I saw the Austin date on the first leg of that tour. The band brought it (and The Handsome Family on that show is one of my all-time opening act memories), but there was so much going on feelings-wise: YHF was still in limbo, 9/11 was only a couple weeks old, and those combined facts almost led them to cancel the tour. The decision not too, the band later said, is why they're still around today.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 03:35 (seven months ago) link

Would love to get recommendations on good live boots, too. (Paging Tyler..)

Having said that, this 2011 show in the Netherlands was streamed professionally and I love it. Beautifully shot. The opening song from that stream is on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4GWGSndpag

I captured the audio back then and burned it to cdr, I'll try to find it! Can't recall if the encore is on it though, seems like too much to burn to one cd..

Setlist:
One Sunday Morning
Poor Places
Art of Almost
I Might
I Am Trying to Break Your Heart
One Wing
Bull Black Nova
Black Moon
Impossible Germany
Born Alone
Jesus, Etc.
Capitol City
Handshake Drugs
Dawned on Me
Hummingbird
Whole Love
A Shot in the Arm

Encore:
Via Chicago
California Stars
War on War
Standing O
I'm a Wheel
I'm the Man Who Loves You
Monday
Outtasite (Outta Mind)

willem, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 04:00 (seven months ago) link

Found the cdr. One single 64 minute track, so I'm sure the encore's not included, sadly. I'll look for the audio file on my old laptop so I can upload.

Listening now. Dear god, the synths/keys on "Art of Almost", Carl Craig should've remixed this a la "Revelee"... and the finale, it shreds!

willem, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 05:11 (seven months ago) link

six months pass...

Tweedy's written a ton of great songs, but there's a case to be made for "California Stars" as the one that's steadily climbing toward standard status. Case in point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPmnrivfJWk

Isn't there a thread for artists whose best or best known song is a cover? This isn't quite that, but it is curious that one of Tweedy's best is a song written with Jay Bennett based on words from Woody Guthrie in at least passive collaboration with Billy Bragg.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 January 2022 19:16 (one week ago) link

say what

calstars, Saturday, 8 January 2022 19:22 (one week ago) link

thought this revival was going to be about them going ahead with their Sky Blue Sky festival with Omicron peaking. all-inclusive at Hard Rock Riviera Maya. crazy.

bulb after bulb, Saturday, 8 January 2022 19:23 (one week ago) link

I’ve been digging “she don’t have to see you” though the chorus makes no sense
Golden smog stuff is fun

calstars, Saturday, 8 January 2022 19:26 (one week ago) link

xxxp the very first time I saw Wilco, I didn't know their music well enough to know "California Stars," but when they played it, Tweedy told everyone to sing along, assuming everyone would know it. (It was the only time he asked our audience to sing along during that show.) Barely anyone did, so then he joked, "maybe your parents know the words?"

birdistheword, Saturday, 8 January 2022 19:50 (one week ago) link

not sure about 'california stars' being the most well-known thing, but i do agree it's a definite catalogue highlight.

that's an interesting thought though: what will be wilco's legacy tune?

("california stars" the current #2 on their spotify most-played; "jesus, etc." in the top spot by quite a ways)

wolfman jack kerouac, the nonviolent unabomber. (Austin), Saturday, 8 January 2022 20:38 (one week ago) link

Smooth jazz drummer

calstars, Saturday, 8 January 2022 21:20 (one week ago) link

*percussionist

calstars, Saturday, 8 January 2022 21:22 (one week ago) link

I think when Bob Seger covered this it kinda cemented it as a standard. Tune-wise it's a very Seger song - seemed inevitable that he'd hit it up at some point. Or maybe Seger has a way of making every song he covers (Busload of Faith, etc.) sound like a Seger song.

henry s, Saturday, 8 January 2022 21:38 (one week ago) link

lol bob seger sux

wolfman jack kerouac, the nonviolent unabomber. (Austin), Saturday, 8 January 2022 22:02 (one week ago) link

Like a fuckin’ rock

calstars, Saturday, 8 January 2022 22:22 (one week ago) link

"California Stars" walked so "Wagon Wheel" could run.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 8 January 2022 22:25 (one week ago) link

In all seriousness, "California Stars" was the song that got me into Wilco, a band I was aware of, but hadn't actually heard yet. I heard it one afternoon after school on our local Pacifica station, made sure I heard the DJ announce it, and then put Mermaid Avenue on my Xmas list, which Santa delivered. A few months later, Summerteeth dropped, which I picked up week of release (at Borders!) and then worked backwards.

The thing that nobody talks about but really makes the Mermaid Ave. take of "California Stars" work is the absolutely Gorgeous steel part by Corey Harris. I'd bet that's where a lot of people my age (almost 40) fell in love with steel guitar.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 8 January 2022 22:47 (one week ago) link

lol bob seger sux

maybe your parents like Bob Seger?

henry s, Saturday, 8 January 2022 23:47 (one week ago) link

I’ve been digging “she don’t have to see you” though the chorus makes no sense
Golden smog stuff is fun


gotta a lot of mileage out of those first to LPs in the late 90s. should revisit

concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Saturday, 8 January 2022 23:54 (one week ago) link

two

concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Saturday, 8 January 2022 23:56 (one week ago) link

The thing that nobody talks about but really makes the Mermaid Ave. take of "California Stars" work is the absolutely Gorgeous steel part by Corey Harris. I'd bet that's where a lot of people my age (almost 40) fell in love with steel guitar.

― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, January 8, 2022 2:47 PM

this is definitely in line with things for me.

also, maybe i just have a very small attention span but i always felt like "california stars" was an outlier in the mermaid ave stuff - because it's so much better.

please don't refer to me as (Austin), Sunday, 9 January 2022 02:05 (one week ago) link

yeah can’t lie I wasn’t bowled over by either disc, outside maybe 3-4 tunes

still a cool project tho

concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Sunday, 9 January 2022 02:23 (one week ago) link

Bill Callahan looks real comfortable in that clip, lol

alpine static, Sunday, 9 January 2022 04:12 (one week ago) link

lol he sure does

and the "flamenco dancer"!

sean gramophone, Sunday, 9 January 2022 14:16 (one week ago) link

had a moment with “summer teeth” the song recently. always had a soft spot for their sentimental country-ish ones

roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Sunday, 9 January 2022 14:30 (one week ago) link

there's something incredibly depressing about that austin city limits clip, haha! i think it might be the looming shadow of bill callahan just standing on the side while everyone does little dances and claps

Karl Malone, Sunday, 9 January 2022 19:53 (one week ago) link

"California Stars" has a special place in my heart as the song that feels like the purest possible distillation of loss and grief, so much so that listening to it feels cathartic, like this cleansing tide of world-sorrow washes through me every time I hear it.

It's partly the lyrics: that sense of loss and nostalgia for an unreachable past, that sense of wanting desperately to go home, is already quite beautiful and moving. But then the Wilco interpretation brings something else to it, I think: the perspective of someone who knows that Woody Guthrie died of a horrible protracted illness in a hospital a long way from California, and so it becomes not just a song by Woody Guthrie but also, and in parallel, a song of grief for Woody Guthrie and the way his life ended. And the longing in the lyrics and the sense of grief and compassion in the music blend together into a song that I find almost too painful to listen to.

Lily Dale, Sunday, 9 January 2022 20:18 (one week ago) link

"California Stars" has a special place in my heart as the song that feels like the purest possible distillation of loss and grief...I find almost too painful to listen to.

This is how I feel about "Remember the Mountain Bed".

j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Sunday, 9 January 2022 20:50 (one week ago) link

I believe the flamenco dancer is Robert Rodriguez's sister Patricia Vonne, who was singing backup with Alejandro Escovedo during his set and who has been putting out Flamenco-y Spanish Rock & Rockabilly records for like 20 years now.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 9 January 2022 22:24 (one week ago) link

And the longing in the lyrics and the sense of grief and compassion in the music blend together into a song that I find almost too painful to listen to.

― Lily Dale, Sunday, January 9, 2022 12:18 PM

this is an interesting thought and appropriate for this thread: i remember an interview that jeff tweedy did in the ghost is born/kicking television era where he voiced a similar sentiment. he talked about how there were records and performances that he loved so much that it became almost painful for him to listen to them because they resonated so deeply. i wish i could remember what publication it was for, but i remember his use of (a variation on) the phrase "hitting too close for comfort" changed my mind about what he was trying to convey. i remember reading the conversation and thinking, up until he said that, "what a dork, if you like the music, jam it!" idk what it was about him putting it that way, but it immediately changed my mind because i got it.

anyway, yes i totally get that vibe from "california stars." i always just assumed that the narrator has never actually seen the stars from california.

wolfman jack kerouac, the nonviolent unabomber. (Austin), Sunday, 9 January 2022 22:27 (one week ago) link

California Starts

calstars, Sunday, 9 January 2022 22:31 (one week ago) link

Ha, yeah, that's been a problem for bands doing these Mexico event festivals. Dead & Co's turned into an absolute shitshow. They wouldn't offer refunds for the longest time but, finally, as Omicron cases climbed they relented and offered refunds. Then about a week before the festival, Billy Kreutzmann pulled out for health reasons (he really had trouble at the end of their last tour, so it wasn't terribly surprising). Then a couple days before the festival, John Mayer came up positive for Covid and two days later his replacement also came up positive. They ended up finally canceling the whole thing the day before it was supposed to start, but after a lot of people had already flown down to Mexico. There were rumors of people who showed up to check in to their hotel and told they couldn't, since it was a package deal and the cancellation also impacted the lodging. Apparently they ended up making it right, a little, by honoring the stays of those who had traveled and refunding completely for the others. Don't know why they didn't just pull the plug earlier.

(forgive me if that's all covered later in that article, but I hit a paywall)

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 10 January 2022 15:09 (one week ago) link

Who is John mayers replacement ?

calstars, Monday, 10 January 2022 16:25 (one week ago) link

Well, just for the festival it was going to be Tom Hamilton from Joe Russo's Almost Dead.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 10 January 2022 16:31 (one week ago) link

they should revive jerry's corpse for John M.'s replacement and blow minds

a (waterface), Monday, 10 January 2022 16:35 (one week ago) link

They should replace him with smooth jazz sax man Najee. I saw Prince once, in a small club, and they were doing a smoking version of I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man, and when it came to the solo Prince goes "Ladies and gentlemen ... Najee."

And Najee killed....

... te song.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 January 2022 16:57 (one week ago) link

Najee was a big reason why I skipped out on seeing Prince for so long even though I had become a huge fan. That guy just blows. (Figuratively. And literally I guess.)

Unless it's to a city where I already have friends or family I want to see, I would never travel for a concert much less a festival. Granted I live in a major city so I have the luxury of waiting for a tour to come through, but I've been burned for similar reasons in the past with traveling.

birdistheword, Monday, 10 January 2022 17:00 (one week ago) link

re:that RS article, it sucks when an event like that doesnt offer a full refund or any flexibility, but tbh i cant find a ton of sympathy for people who booked something like that and didn't realize it was a gamble, even pre-omicron. and then i got to this:Catching a mild case now and getting a doctor’s note stating he recovered and is no longer infectious is, he claims, the most sure-fire way to guarantee he can go to Mexico and come back freely [...] "I’m hoping to get this disease to avoid getting stuck in a foreign county or I lose thousands of dollars[...] plus if we get sick I don’t want to be stuck at a hospital in Latin America." a father who hopes to intentionally catch covid so that he can go see wilco in cancun without taking extra time off work, seems like a very cool guy, i certainly hope he doesnt get brutally dragged on twitter about this.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 10 January 2022 17:03 (one week ago) link

Replacing Mayer (or even Jerry for that matter) with a non white noodley guitar guy is a great idea. Maybe it wouldn’t fly with the heads tho

calstars, Monday, 10 January 2022 22:08 (one week ago) link

Wait are you saying you want that person to be of the non-white but still noodley variety? Or non-white and non-noodley? IMO you need the noodles.

tobo73, Monday, 10 January 2022 22:14 (one week ago) link

xpost - I don't think the heads would have an issue with it at all, they embraced Oteil Burbridge replacing Phil Lesh enthusiastically enough.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 10 January 2022 22:15 (one week ago) link

Hiram Bullock hologram

... (Eazy), Monday, 10 January 2022 22:26 (one week ago) link

yeah i like to razz deadheads but i really don't think they would have a problem with a non-white killer guitar player

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 January 2022 23:10 (one week ago) link

They should replace him with Buckethead.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 January 2022 23:24 (one week ago) link

Bucketdead and Co.
Would listen

calstars, Monday, 10 January 2022 23:57 (one week ago) link

Grateful for this revive, I had never heard "California Stars"... glad to have learned of it!

Despite the gentle weirdness of that ACL clip, I think I even prefer that take to the one on the album... the song works great as a sing-along.

i woke up alarmed (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 January 2022 05:43 (one week ago) link


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