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ha ha!

just realised that i am listening to 'misunderstood' by wilco and feeling sorry for myself. ha ha. what am i like?

jimmy the doom saint, Friday, 20 February 2004 11:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't worry, it just means you like Peter Laughner

Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Friday, 20 February 2004 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link

he's the guy from the original mirrors/proto pere ubu?

right?

wilco are the hipster's version of springsteen.

jimmy the doom saint, Friday, 20 February 2004 11:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah he wrote most of the lyrics for that song, unbeknownst to him

Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Friday, 20 February 2004 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

That's my favorite song of theirs, "Misunderstood."

Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 20 February 2004 11:50 (seventeen years ago) link

i love wilco. i am a caliban of ilx. ha ha.

which song do they use? i've got a comp of proto-ubu stuff i've not made through yet. i could have a listen tonight.

jimmy the saints, Friday, 20 February 2004 11:52 (seventeen years ago) link

(Actually I dunno if it was "most", but a LOT and kind of the germ of the thing). It's mine too Sonny. J I think it's called "Amphetamine" or something, I've never heard it. Someone here will've, tho. I think it might say in the Wilco liner notes actually

Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Friday, 20 February 2004 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah its amphetimine.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDCASS70402200601010102&sql=A3fzsa9wgq230

cool i've got that one. yeah i dig that wilco song alot.

jimmy the doom saint, Friday, 20 February 2004 11:56 (seventeen years ago) link

AH BUT IS IT A WILCO SONG blah blah

Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Friday, 20 February 2004 11:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I love Wilco too. I don't care if it's hip dad music. I can't wait to hear the new CD.

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Friday, 20 February 2004 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm down with Wilco. Though they sucked when they headlined the annual outdoor festival last April. The audience was bored and Tweedy got all "oh I'm so glad we're challenging you" and shit. I should have yelled for him to eat a dick.

Summerteeth roolz.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 20 February 2004 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

it really is their best one. new album coming soon.

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 21 February 2004 00:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I should note that Bubba Sparxxx (playing Deliverance stuff before it came out) was far far worse (I just wasn't drunk yet so I didn't really care). I missed the Get Up Kids, which played between the two acts.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 February 2004 00:57 (seventeen years ago) link

six years pass...

so has jeff tweedy had like work done, cos around the eye area

plax (ico), Monday, 21 June 2010 11:10 (eleven years ago) link

ksh, where u at

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 21 June 2010 15:41 (eleven years ago) link

he won't return my calls anymore, sorry plax

ksh, Monday, 21 June 2010 15:44 (eleven years ago) link

Can't wait for Wilco to release its metal-influenced album so we can watch ksh go apeshit.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 21 June 2010 15:50 (eleven years ago) link

would buy

ksh, Monday, 21 June 2010 16:14 (eleven years ago) link

always thought uncle tupelo had some metal leanings every now and again.

tylerw, Monday, 21 June 2010 16:19 (eleven years ago) link

"Black Eye" was actually the inspiration for a lot of USBM iirc

ksh, Monday, 21 June 2010 16:19 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG9LZvKDEZ0

perfect for a low key Friday afternoon hanging around

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:31 (ten years ago) link

listened to Wilco (The Album) for the first time in a while last week ... prety meh, actually! Just sounded workmanlike, not very inspired. Still think this version of Wilco has a great album in 'em, but that one ain't it.

tylerw, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:42 (ten years ago) link

On Rolling Nels Cline Thread, I wrote:

Wilco (the album) is a much better record [than Sky Blue Sky], and one that I'll listen to much more as time passes, but it really is a "Whitman sampler of the different aspects and obsessions of Wilco," as Tweedy called it. You have the Neu! motorik thing they did on "Spiders (Kidsmoke)" on "Bull Black Nova," the obvious "I'm A Wheel"/"Monday"/"Can't Stand It" rocker tune ("Wilco (the song)"), the unassuming acoustic number "Solitaire," which recalls "Dash 7," "Far, Far Away," "Radio Cure," "Muzzle of Bees," and most of SBS. The whole record really is a summation of their career.

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:47 (ten years ago) link

In that same post, I said:

Wilco is primarily a vehicle for Tweedy's creativity, and although things seem to be more stable for the band now insofar as the lineup is concerned -- no one has been fired in five years, and everyone including Tweedy (see the new Rolling Stone interview) seems to feel good about the band as a unit -- I don't think he will ever be in a place where he'd want to make another Yankee Hotel Foxtrot/A ghost is born pseudoexperimental record again. I doubt Nels will get to do any truly radical work in Wilco. (The most "radical" things he does on the new record, which are not "radical" at all, really, are these strange little backwards-guitar solos at the end of "One Wing" and "Everlasting Everything" and some feedback-soaked guitar work at the end of "Bull Black Nova.")

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:47 (ten years ago) link

yeah, that's otm -- i just think they've done better versions of all of those things on previous albums.

tylerw, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:49 (ten years ago) link

they may prove me wrong on that last point, though. I've read them say things that gave me the feeling they might go more experimental on the next LP

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:49 (ten years ago) link

maybe i need to hear live versions of these tunes -- that's what turned me around on SBS.

tylerw, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:51 (ten years ago) link

maybe! they were great live when I saw them last summer. still prefer to hear them play something like "Spiders" than anything on the new record, though

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:52 (ten years ago) link

but yeah, i think it's sort of a mistake to look at nels cline for some injection of "out there-ness" though he's obviously capable of it. Nels is probably more interested in fitting into the mainstream aspects of the band -- he's certainly got plenty of other outlets for the experimental stuff.

tylerw, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:52 (ten years ago) link

yeah! i think he's said as much in interviews. Glenn too. "we just play what's good for the songs." so both of them have their side projects where they do the more out their stuff, and then when they come into a Wilco sessions they just try to suit the needs of whatever's before them.

if you look at the entire Wilco discography, Jeff's probably responsible for the most out their stuff. like the solos on a ghost is born. although Jim O'Rourke probably did a lot of crazy stuff on YHF and agib, and Bennett added a lot to the former record too

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:58 (ten years ago) link

out *there*

markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 20:59 (ten years ago) link

wilco sux

del griffith, Friday, 23 July 2010 21:28 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

i love passenger side so much

who's got the (platform) 9 3/4ths? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 16:37 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...
three months pass...

http://pitchfork.com/news/41372-wilco-start-their-own-label/

markers, Thursday, 27 January 2011 03:16 (ten years ago) link

six months pass...

fuuuuuuuuck, "can't stand it" is a dope album opener

markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 04:50 (nine years ago) link

summerteeth is so good

markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 04:51 (nine years ago) link

however you might feel, tonight is real

markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 04:52 (nine years ago) link

listen close when you click and my face gets sick, stuck, like a question unposed

markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 04:52 (nine years ago) link

wilco circa 1999-2004 was just unfuckwithable

markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 05:00 (nine years ago) link

I love that "can't stand it" was added at the last minute because reprise didn't hear a single on summerteeth.

Mucho! Macho! Honcho!: Turn Off The Dark (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 29 July 2011 06:19 (nine years ago) link

ten months pass...

PoeticLava says:
I saw Jeff Tweedy at the North Side Chicago Chipotle 6 years ago. Don’t know what he ordered.

markers, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 21:18 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Daft Punk and the Replacements among many more

curmudgeon, Saturday, 22 June 2013 21:52 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcL4zJxBMH8

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 June 2013 23:57 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwHqRi468ic

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 June 2013 00:15 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYixOQ2vxzM

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 June 2013 00:18 (eight years ago) link

sound of lies rules. not even close to a bad song on it, and it gets heartbreaking toward the end of the album. "the sound of lies rings funny against the truth . . ."

("blue" (tomorrow the green grass) might be my favorite ever alt.country jam, if not "chickamauga" (uncle tupelo (anodyne)) or "mountain girl" (opener on blue mountain's second album, dog days))

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 19:22 (two years ago) link

blue mountain was good!

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 19:38 (two years ago) link

Personal low point for me is Sky Blue Sky and Wilco (The Album), I don't think they are bad records per se, but they don't grab me at all except for a few highlights. Since the Whole Love they've been consistently good at doing pleasant albums. They are not unlike post-NYC Ghost and Flowers Sonic Youth or present day Yo La Tengo. You can make very valuable stuff after the peak and give incredible shows.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 21:28 (two years ago) link

i still like sky blue sky a lot, those are all really strong songs

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 21:31 (two years ago) link

Sky Blue Sky is a personal monolith of an album for me. It wasn't always that way, though. In my 2007 year-end roundup, I wrote of it under my "biggest disappointments" category:

Wilco — whatever it was called; some repetitive piece of esoteric dreck (Nonesuch, parent company of which is Warner, who also owns Reprise, but you knew that already, you Wilco-loving whore, who probably also loves this album even though it sucks me hard)
Hi, I’m Jeff Tweedy*. I like to think I’m as brilliant as everybody says I am, much like David Bowie. However, as my latest album will prove, I’m just another mediocre songwriter riding on the coattails of being an ‘American’ roots-rocker, relying on tired out twanginess and pseudo-‘Americana’ (which is a term I don’t even understand, but it gets me five star reviews and commendable sales) riffs to pull the wool over my audience’s eyes. But I have Nels Cline in my band and he’s a ‘musician’, so it counts, y’know? I don’t even care that he rips off John McLaughlin (who is a way cooler human being) most of the time. Here’s my new album. It’s about stuff. Stuff that I’m not sure about, but I’m an American songwriter, so it’s resonating whether it really is or not. That guy at Rolling Stone likes me, so why don’t you? Also, you know all those fun dynamics that Jim O’Rourke did on our last two albums that he mixed and mastered? Well, those are gone. In favor of LOUDNESS and COMPRESSION!! Yay for contemporization of recorded music! I’m brilliant, haven’t you heard?
*(review not really written by Jeff Tweedy, but may as well have been)

Some years later, after selling all my Wilco records and swearing off the band shortly after the above was written, the backstory to that shellacking was fully disclosed and revisited upon reacquisition of Sky Blue Sky:

I was in a bad place when this album came out. I was working a terrible job at Barnes and Noble that paid next to nothing and was struggling through a relationship that I was just beginning to realize was a complete failure. It was not the wonderfully gloomy and romantic escape that A Ghost is Born was (post-script note here: A Ghost is Born was an absolute milestone to me when it first came out). It was honest, no nonsense and blunt. And, most of all, not necessarily sad, but realistic. It had songs for days, but they talked about things in a way that was not fun, in any stretch of the imagination. I went to work every day, had to hear this fucking thing confront me —usually two or three times in a shift— like a small child sticking its tongue out, taunting me, "I'm one of your favorite bands and I just made you feel worse about your life!" I, of course, trashed it, like any honest person in my position would have. And I basically swore off Wilco after walking out on that job (my first walkout of two, within a year's time, in case you were wondering [you weren't]). So, yeah, fuck these guys, right? Fucking assholes; providing such wonderful escape for two albums and then going MOR dad-rock and forcing me to pay attention to the lyrics — because, let's face it, the simple arrangements here don't offer much in the way of hearing the words "that aren't there." And what about these lyrics? They suck, right? Well, me of years past says, "YES, OBVIOUSLY" and gives you this look (angry cat image). Me now, for lack of better words, gets it. Ghost is Born was recorded while Jeff Tweedy was in the grips of pill addiction, while Sky Blue Sky is the first thing he attempted after coming clean about his dependence. I was doing my own chemical coping in those days, so why shouldn't I have loved Ghost is Born, despite my own issues? But when Sky Blue Sky came out, I was still toiling. Such stark emotional confrontation was not what I wanted from one of my favorite bands when, in the previous five years they had provided the ultimate escape: a look back at youth through the eyes and mind of someone awestruck with America's (now inexplicable) enduring prominence in the post-World War II era. Jeff Tweedy even sounds angry at his own generation (one which was now officially "old" when this album was released). His —and the band's— ambitions here seem so much less interested in being "cool" than they are in being honest with themselves. You have to rewind a bit here and understand: these were the last days of GWB's run in office and they were —and I don't think I'm going out on much of limb here saying as much— a rather bleak time. We all knew that we were under the leadership of somebody that was not looking out for us. Couple this with my own internal issues, another horrific season of summer wildfires in Reno and, yeah, it was like this plastic, sugar-coated version of someone saying, "Hey, you're not going to be okay" and then smiling the most unpleasantly empty smile at me. Fuck them. Fuck it. Fuck it relentlessly. It was not fun to hear your favorite, previously unpredictable band go Prozac Dave Matthews on you. It was excruciating, to be completely honest. They truly were the one thing I had that I knew would be mine for all time. And now, a meddling soft rock turd was excreted to leave me alone and floating again forever. Except, why now, do I hear it and just acquiesce? Like it was just a really good album all along? I have not answers for that question. But, as bleak and creepy cheerful 70's AM pop as this thing is, I have only more questions. Why was it recorded as crappily as it was? That's not what Jim O'Rourke would have done. He would have forced the band's ambition to be emotionally stark naked for their audience into the background where some keen investigative listening would have revealed it. In other other words, he would forced the band's most human album to be another weird collage of good tunes and obscure sounds (he does, however, contribute some ultimately inconsequential string arrangements). But there's a lot to be said and admired about the fact that the band chose to just streamline everything and mask nothing. I also know that this was the second of two big lineup changes in Wilco in those days, so coupled with Jeff's substance dependence-shedding, it just reeks of a back to basics strip fest. Throw things out that you can't deal with anymore. The sort of record where it sounds relatively tame to the rest of us, but was actually a very traumatic and life-changing event for those involved (see also: David and friends). What is it about? Everyday life. What does it mean? It means you're okay while you're listening to it — in the classic sense of the blues, its misery wants your company until you both just want to hug each other and smile without effort. It's very 70's soft folk rock (think the Crosby/Nash albums, America's third album and Aztec Two-Step) and there's not a whole lot here that sounds that great when played outside of the context of the album. It will pat you on the back in the locker room after dunking on your head in a game of one on one and say some sidestepping compliment like, "Your new sneakers are cool." It's one of the friendliest arch rivals you'll ever encounter. That said, 'Impossible Germany' is easily one of the band's best tunes. One generation taking the next to task through an overthought metaphor, it's an absolute masterpiece on an album that definitely needed one. This is probably my most personal review ever; very telling that it's for this album — and this band. For such a lightweight sounding album, it's pretty fucking intense on closer inspection. I just. . . I mean I can't even. . . just. . . man. It's a lot better than it's reputation. Just wish I had known better at the time.

Pretty good album, I'd reckon.

outside, you're never alone. (Austin), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 22:05 (two years ago) link

Agree with you on Sky Blue Sky. I found it disappointing at first, and years later I see it as truly great. Maybe not their best but Very Good Wilco.

Also - Star Wars is a terrific return after a couple so-so albums. I really like Schmilco though it's been a while since I put it on. Star Wars really stayed on the turntable in my house for a long time.

Uncle Tupelo - to be honest I have just never really like Jay Farrar's voice and I have never been taken with Uncle Tupelo. Even Tweedy's songs, while not exactly bad, are so far from where he'd eventually go.

Jayhawks - a consistently good band, occasionally much better than good. They have a new album out this year that's not bad.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 23:50 (two years ago) link

I don't like Uncle Tupelo, or at least they've never clicked with me, but the first Son Volt album is ace.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 00:02 (two years ago) link

I think of everything after A Ghost Is Born as post-peak. From that era, the two highlights for me are The Whole Love and Sky Blue Sky. Star Wars was so boring that I've never bothered with Schmilco.

aphoristical, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 00:20 (two years ago) link

Star Wars and Schmilco are kind of boring.

Star Wars was so boring that I've never bothered with Schmilco.

So weird to me! "Boring" comes immediately to my mind, as a word to describe pre-Star Wars Wilco... then they suddenly got good and interesting! (to my ears, anyway)

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 00:30 (two years ago) link

i was so disappointed by sky blue sky that i gave up on wilco after it. didn't last because the next record had "bull black nova" on it.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 01:52 (two years ago) link

try One Sunday Morning!

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 02:30 (two years ago) link

Wilco (The Album) might have been the most disappointing album I've ever looked forward to and while The Whole Love was streets ahead, to me it was badly let down by about three quiet/slow/acoustic tracks which were so dreary and unmemorable. Star Wars was such a brilliant comeback - really brief, ragged, catchy, fun - elements which had been missing for some time.

Schmilco doesn't really come across as an album proper to me, it does sound like inferior outtakes from the same session even though they probably deliberately split the two albums by tone, I do think the Star Wars pile came out on top by some distance. Having said that, it's a more interesting listen than the bland self-titled album any day.

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 21:39 (two years ago) link

try One Sunday Morning!

― Van Horn Street

i like that one too even though the version i have is some sort of shitty pre-release with terrible sound quality. i also listened to "star wars" and liked the cover and "pickled ginger". i don't think i ever got around to listening to "schmilco". i think they're a great midwest classic rock band though.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 23:28 (two years ago) link

lots of bad Wilco opinions itt

alpine static, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 23:32 (two years ago) link

wilco is great, what the shit sons

summerteeth - yankee - ghost is born - meh

dig me out requiem (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:03 (two years ago) link

wilco the album is not bad too, yeah guess alpine static OTM

dig me out requiem (Ross), Friday, 7 September 2018 16:04 (two years ago) link

“Passenger side” sounded pretty good in the bar a couple days ago

calstars, Saturday, 8 September 2018 02:39 (two years ago) link

does anyone know the address (or maybe cross streets) of The Loft? not in a creepy way, i'm just curious where it is in town, really. what it's near, etc.

alpine static, Monday, 17 September 2018 16:16 (two years ago) link

...tour manager Jason Tobias, who "handles" the Wilco loft. He says, "Not a lot of people know where it is exactly. The neighborhood allows the Loft to keep a low profile, which is essentially the desired effect. A few die-hard fans know and have been pretty cool with keeping it the secret it is intended to be."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 September 2018 16:22 (two years ago) link

But the general neighborhood where it is, nah, there's not really anything there. Some good ethnic food nearby I guess. Asian and middle eastern, mostly.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 September 2018 16:26 (two years ago) link

fair enough!

Tweedy has played small benefits there, hasn't he? and haven't they given away a tour/visit as a prize? wonder if they make people sign NDAs.

alpine static, Monday, 17 September 2018 16:31 (two years ago) link

oh, and thanks JiC

alpine static, Monday, 17 September 2018 16:31 (two years ago) link

looking forward to tweedy's memoir

in twelve parts (lamonti), Monday, 17 September 2018 17:20 (two years ago) link

^ same. can't think of too many musicians i'd rather read

alpine static, Monday, 17 September 2018 18:03 (two years ago) link

Good new Tweedy song (album coming): https://pitchfork.com/news/jeff-tweedy-announces-new-album-warm-shares-song-some-birds-listen/

growing up in publix (morrisp), Monday, 24 September 2018 17:34 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

this is good: http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episode-972-jeff-tweedy

alpine static, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 18:05 (two years ago) link

anyone check out the album yet?

galaxy brian (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:04 (two years ago) link

I ran through it y'day; sounded good, tho pretty mellow

underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:05 (two years ago) link

anyone read the memoir? i hear good things, not into wilco but like the scene

rip van wanko, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:07 (two years ago) link

I've listened to the new album a couple times. It's pleasant but nothing has really sunk in. Feeling ambivalent about it. By contrast I've really enjoyed the last two Wilco albums and still find myself going back to them.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:16 (two years ago) link

I listened to Tweedy on the Maron podcast and have been revisiting the Wilco catalogue. Thoughts: Being There was my 'one', my way in, buying it at record store in South West London from a guy with a fire in his eyes from seeing them the night before: it remains a ragged wreck of an album and I still love it; YHF, while full of holes (War on War, Heavy Metal Drummer), I wear in my soul - I'm all for hyperbole and this is their As I Lay Dying, their Moby Dick; I hadn't realised just how much A Ghost is Born had affected me - this was my first listen in toto in probably five years and that run from At Least to Wishful Thinking is astounding; Kicking Television is fucking incredible.

A.M is fine, but I can kinda take or leave it; Summer Teeth I need to persevere with. I've not really explored much beyond Sky Blue Sky. Maybe tomorrow. Bob Dylan's 49th Beard might have hit me hardest today. I wasn't expecting it.

Is the new Tweedy solo record worth a listen?

Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Saturday, 8 December 2018 21:44 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I have met maybe a half dozen people from Bellevillie, Illinois in my life, even dated a girl who took me back there past the Still Feel Gone highway signs to meet the parents. Each one, within five minutes of the city's first mention in our first conversation, has told me the same piece of trivia: That Belleville's Main Street is longer than anywhere else's.

Chapter One of Tweedy's memoir? "The Longest Main Street in the World". Apparently, they ain't all just playing to type.

✈️✈️ (pplains), Friday, 28 December 2018 07:04 (two years ago) link

long Main Street in Belleville, yeah, but personally I think the World's Largest Ketchup Bottle in Collinsville wins "coolest -est" among cities of the Metro East

alpine static, Friday, 28 December 2018 08:41 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

anyone here considering a trip to this:

https://wilcoskybluesky.com

alpine static, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 07:31 (two years ago) link

No but I'm going to Solid Sound for the first time next month!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 14:23 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

I was driving around the other day when "Via Chicago" came on the radio. Of course the song is great, but I didn't totally recognize it as the version I knew, so figured it was a live version, or some other session. I Shazam it and it comes up the usual "Via Chicago." Hmm, I think, that can't be right, so I do it again, and get the same result. It turns out it'd been so long since I actually listened to "Summerteeth" and the studio version that I just didn't recognize it. Listening to "Summerteeth" right now it's more clear than ever that the band really, really lost something when it fired Jay Bennett. I mean, that's old news, and obviously Tweedy has remained a good and sometimes interesting songwriter, and the band long ago coalesced into something consistently solid, especially as a live act. But Bennett brought something to the band, or at least helped shape what Tweedy and the band did, that brought it to another level. Like, there are a lot of things at play, but I couldn't imagine Wilco playing a show without touching on songs from "Being There" or Summerteeth." The stuff is just too good, even after all this time. I guess in retrospect, "YHF" was more of a transitional album rather than a peak many made it out to be, with plenty of Bennett but also showing off the first full taste of Tweedy's more ascetic aesthetic. Tweedy and the band have remained good, but I don't think anything post "YHF" is in competition to supplant any of those Bennett albums as the band's best.

Anyway, no news here, just thinking about stuff.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 00:16 (two weeks ago) link

i think a big part of what made YHF so great was tweedy, bennett and o'rourke all firing on full cylinders with the arrangements, despite the bennett/tweedy tensions they really ended up with great results there. it's a real shame the creative & personal differences between bennett & tweedy lead to tweedy firing bennett, so much colour was gone from the band's arrangements after bennett was fired, and his songwriting contributions were really missed too.

still kinda strange that they've never quite managed to make an album that captures how great they became as a live band either. like there's been the occasional moment where they get there on record in their current post-AGIB incarnation but never for anywhere near a whole album.

with "via chicago", it's one they really transform live with it getting even more chaotic etc., the studio version's great but it's even better live

ufo, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 00:39 (two weeks ago) link

yeah they are so much better live now

could definitely go with another live album

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 00:52 (two weeks ago) link

yeah kicking television is one of their very best releases & while it covers their strongest material there's still plenty of gems since then that have become live staples ("impossible germany" etc.) that would be great to have on a new live album

ufo, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 01:00 (two weeks ago) link

yeah I feel like "Impossible Germany" has turned into their "Dark Star"

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 01:23 (two weeks ago) link

last time I saw them was a very cute moment when Nels was going absolutely apeshit during IG and Tweedy looked at the crowd, shaking his head and laughing, then pointed at Nels with his thumb like "Can you believe this guy?"

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 01:25 (two weeks ago) link

can y'all recommend a good boot

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 01:25 (two weeks ago) link

I do not but that's a good idea

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 01:31 (two weeks ago) link

That's actually a good question. I've seen them a bunch, but all the most memorable ones were up to and including behind YHF. Since then the band has been remarkably consistent live. My favorite was a stand they did here for five nights where over the course of the week they played every song they'd ever recorded to date, including the one from the Sponge Bob movie. I saw a great Golden Smog set back in ... 1998? That was when Tweedy/Wilco was still in rock and tumble shambling mode.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 01:47 (two weeks ago) link

This was a great one I saw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7pY6UPPbVQ

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 01:48 (two weeks ago) link

from videos ive seen the yhf tour was their weakest, due to the transitional lineup where tweedy was the only guitarist

ufo, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 01:58 (two weeks ago) link

That wasn't my experience, those shows were pretty intense, iirc. Plus Leroy Bach played guitar, too. Definitely transitional, though.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 02:37 (two weeks ago) link

^^I saw the Austin date on the first leg of that tour. The band brought it (and The Handsome Family on that show is one of my all-time opening act memories), but there was so much going on feelings-wise: YHF was still in limbo, 9/11 was only a couple weeks old, and those combined facts almost led them to cancel the tour. The decision not too, the band later said, is why they're still around today.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 03:35 (two weeks ago) link

Would love to get recommendations on good live boots, too. (Paging Tyler..)

Having said that, this 2011 show in the Netherlands was streamed professionally and I love it. Beautifully shot. The opening song from that stream is on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4GWGSndpag

I captured the audio back then and burned it to cdr, I'll try to find it! Can't recall if the encore is on it though, seems like too much to burn to one cd..

Setlist:
One Sunday Morning
Poor Places
Art of Almost
I Might
I Am Trying to Break Your Heart
One Wing
Bull Black Nova
Black Moon
Impossible Germany
Born Alone
Jesus, Etc.
Capitol City
Handshake Drugs
Dawned on Me
Hummingbird
Whole Love
A Shot in the Arm

Encore:
Via Chicago
California Stars
War on War
Standing O
I'm a Wheel
I'm the Man Who Loves You
Monday
Outtasite (Outta Mind)

willem, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 04:00 (two weeks ago) link

Found the cdr. One single 64 minute track, so I'm sure the encore's not included, sadly. I'll look for the audio file on my old laptop so I can upload.

Listening now. Dear god, the synths/keys on "Art of Almost", Carl Craig should've remixed this a la "Revelee"... and the finale, it shreds!

willem, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 05:11 (two weeks ago) link


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