Long Winters When I Pretend To Fall S/D?

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Checked and there is no LW thread. I think this is one of the finest cds released last year.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:08 (sixteen years ago) link

You mean C/D, right?

I think this record is fantastic: punchy pop-rock with fine harmonies, melodies, arrangements, lyrics, choruses, etc etc. Smart, funny, catchy -- basically everything that people like Sloan, Loaded-era VU, Harvey Danger, Beulah, used to do so well.

Sean M (Sean M), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Well I meant it is worth searching out actually, but I totally agree with your review of it.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I never heard them until they opened for Nada Surf a few weekends ago here in SF. I liked 'em.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:26 (sixteen years ago) link

i think songs 2 and 3 are brilliant. the rest i can do without.

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 16 February 2004 05:59 (sixteen years ago) link

brilliant band, live as well

Bertus, Monday, 16 February 2004 18:03 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...

'Scared Straight' is my favorite track on this one.

calstars, Friday, 2 January 2009 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

Wish these guys would get it together and finish the fourth album.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:58 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

A must-watch for Long Winters fans. Certainly the first time I know of that Roderick has been so detailed / forthcoming about the "creative difficulty" he has experienced over the past few years:

http://www.roxwel.com/player/thelongwintersinterview2013.html

The "difficulty" part starts around 11:00, but the whole 25 minutes is terrific. Dude is beyond brilliant, and I hope he's able to get some new music out soon.

alpine static, Monday, 30 December 2013 08:47 (seven years ago) link

four years pass...

this band was straight up amazing

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 22:39 (two years ago) link

^^ otm

Both When I Pretend To Fall and Putting The Days To Bed are close enough to perfect.

It'd be a real bummer if that interview I posted two years ago is gone for good. By far the best - only, actually - explanation for Roderick's musical disappearance I've ever seen/heard.

alpine static, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 23:16 (two years ago) link

Great album and an overlooked band.

everything, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 04:04 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

Well John Roderick certainly made a name for himself today.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 3 January 2021 17:45 (three weeks ago) link

Whew, did he ever. What’s worse are some of the vile tweets being dug from 8-9 years ago.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 3 January 2021 21:32 (three weeks ago) link

yeah.... wow

does anyone who followed him more closely have any insight on some of those tweets' approach to, say, jewishness—are they just bad jokes? is he jewish?

sean gramophone, Sunday, 3 January 2021 22:54 (three weeks ago) link

Well Ken Jennings is working overtime defending him on Twitter pointing to his “pro Israel” stance during their podcast together... not that this makes anything better.

Another podcast just dropped his theme song.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 3 January 2021 23:23 (three weeks ago) link

Posting claims another life

is right unfortunately (silby), Sunday, 3 January 2021 23:41 (three weeks ago) link

It’s kinda funny to see all the disingenuous “I can’t believe he got canceled over beans” tweets. Like, no, people started paying more attention to him and found his old homophobic and anti-Semitic tweets. That’s what got him canceled. In that way it’s weirdly fitting that Jennings, of all people, is defending him so hard today.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 3 January 2021 23:45 (three weeks ago) link

Metafilter guy defends him too:

I never knew about his shitty tweets from early twitter days, they're terrible and he should have deleted them years ago & explained why with a big ass apology. Also he should fess up to being a bit of a fabulist storyteller. Instead, he deleted everything, which is disappointing

— you say you want a resolution (@mathowie) January 4, 2021

Personally, I found "Punk Rock Is Bullshit" inspiring at the time. Obv some of those old tweets are indefensible.

fajita seas, Monday, 4 January 2021 03:20 (three weeks ago) link

I clicked through to one of those threads before he deleted it all and it's butt-obvious that he was just doing one of those "let's talk like a movement racist to clown on the crazy things they say" thing, which is cringy, fine, but he's obviously not an actual devotee of the Protocols. (I am Jewish.)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 4 January 2021 03:45 (three weeks ago) link

I saw a few of the screenshots (someone’s tweet + his apparently anti-Semitic reply) and the irony wasn’t apparent to me. Is he Jewish?

Four Jacks and a Jill (morrisp), Monday, 4 January 2021 03:57 (three weeks ago) link

any white dude who writes out the n-word as part of a satirical joke where he's pretending to be a racist... is a racist

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 4 January 2021 04:00 (three weeks ago) link

will be glad to see this boring bowtie twerp and his podcast rock go away

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 4 January 2021 14:48 (three weeks ago) link

I’m fascinated by the community of twee, Helvetica-obsssessed, technology-adjacent podcasts. There’s so many and they all seem to be popular.

Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 4 January 2021 15:18 (three weeks ago) link

I have no idea what the "McElroy brothers" do, but I imagine knowing who they are is more embarrassing than knowing who, like, FaZe Banks is.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 4 January 2021 15:59 (three weeks ago) link

I mean, I know they have a podcast, but about what?

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 4 January 2021 16:00 (three weeks ago) link

They do a podcast about literally nothing, and their popularity continues to confound me, but whatever.

re: Roderick--Dude is obviously an asshole, there's no defense for his assholery, and he should apologize for it. But the contemporary internet's inability to distinguish poorly-executed irony from sincere bigotry is unnerving to me. I mean, I can *understand* it, given that plenty of true bigots have used irony as a fig leaf for far too long. Why give any stranger the benefit of the doubt, there?

But people on the internet have developed this bizarre sense of epistemic entitlement, like *they* know who people *really* are because of their old tweets or whatever. And then, when people who actually, personally know whatever asshole is getting canceled this week (in other words, people who actually have some credibility to speak to said asshole's character) pipe in to dispute the cancellation narrative, they get shouted down, too. This is ridiculous, and, (I know I risk sounding like some kind of Intellectual Dark Web choad here), I think it's also potentially dangerous.

american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Monday, 4 January 2021 16:08 (three weeks ago) link

First they came for the Bean Dads, etc.

american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Monday, 4 January 2021 16:09 (three weeks ago) link

I don't even want to get into this argument now, but you do realize that this edgelord bullshit "I can say racist and hateful things because I'm ironic, maaan" is completely indistinguishable from actual fucking racism and hate to anyone who doesn't engage with the 4,000 hours of content people like this dude pump out, right?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 4 January 2021 16:13 (three weeks ago) link

I agree with you! Which is why I also think it's best that people don't perform that kind of edgelord nonsense on the internet in the first place (apologies if this wasn't clear in the first post). It can obviously do real harm. But I still find the mass reaction to the harm very unsettling. IDK. It's bad feelings all around.

american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Monday, 4 January 2021 16:21 (three weeks ago) link

Got it, I'm just frustrated at watching people defend his awful tweets, esp those using the old "you don't get comedy" bullshit line.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 4 January 2021 16:24 (three weeks ago) link

I mean, I know they have a podcast, but about what?

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, January 4, 2021 11:00 AM (twenty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hosted by oldest brother, Justin McElroy, middle brother, Travis McElroy and “sweet baby brother,” Griffin McElroy, the show answers viewer questions, as well as some of the funnier queries on Yahoo Answers. The humor rarely comes at the cost of other people, and if listeners correct the brothers on something the brothers said that was wrong or potentially offensive, they are quick to learn and apologize.

would probably rather kill myself than listen to this

call all destroyer, Monday, 4 January 2021 16:32 (three weeks ago) link

i know someone who was in his previous band (western state hurricanes) and in fact they all played together in 2019 or early last year to reissue their unfinished album. I dont' know details about him though and didn't ask, but my impression has always been that he was a slacker gen X dude who thought he was funny and wry, and those 'edgy' jokes don't land well (and never did). What's amazing is, considering how online he is, how he never had the foresight to think 'hey maybe this shit doesn't go over very well, maybe people aren't going to find it amusing'. This seems to happen a lot. I can't comprehend it.

akm, Monday, 4 January 2021 17:13 (three weeks ago) link

he just seems like one of those people that spent so much time in the podcast/comedy/indie rock/NPR cultural-industrial complex that it never occurred to him that he would ever be interacted with by people that didnt think he was smart and cool. clearly thought of himself as A Big Intellect in a way that didnt accord with his actual career fronting a boring indie band and being a guest judge on comedy podcasts or whatever. i'll be glad as younger gens continue to chew these useless guys up and spit them out

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 4 January 2021 17:27 (three weeks ago) link

ACNewman briefly defended this guy yesterday morning implying it was a gag, I almost replied with

"My my my my slow descent
Into jokey racism it went..."

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 4 January 2021 17:28 (three weeks ago) link

i'll be glad as younger gens continue to chew these useless guys up and spit them out

replacing them of course with members of this younger generation who never say or do anything offensive or stupid ever

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 4 January 2021 17:33 (three weeks ago) link

It's the circle of life
And it moves us all

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 4 January 2021 17:38 (three weeks ago) link

http://www.johnroderick.com/an-apology

peace, man, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 13:38 (three weeks ago) link

I was ignorant, insensitive to the message that my “pedant dad” comedic persona was indistinguishable from how abusive dads act, talk and think.

huh yeah no shit sherlock

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 14:46 (three weeks ago) link

bean dad is mean, bad

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 14:49 (three weeks ago) link

bean solidarity

"Mr. Bean" star Rowan Atkinson has weighed in on "cancel culture": "It’s important that we’re exposed to a wide spectrum of opinion, but what we have now is the digital equivalent of the medieval mob roaming the streets looking for someone to burn." https://t.co/69Gls9IObZ

— Variety (@Variety) January 5, 2021

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 14:55 (three weeks ago) link

I mean as apologies go, it seems like a pretty good one.

husked, tonal wails (irrational), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 15:29 (three weeks ago) link

I just came here to link that. That's a great piece, IMO she completely nailed it, and she makes exceptional observations at the end. The points she makes about restorative justice and retributive reactions is extremely valid as well; restorative justice is a big movement, the school district my kid is in has embraced it, and I think it can be useful, but how does that fit with this desire to cancel people immediately for unwise statements?

akm, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 15:32 (three weeks ago) link

It’s a well-written apology, but not entirely convincing. The bean story itself had read (skimmed) to me as a dumb, strained attempt at humor by a pompous, unfunny person – but I see how it may have been triggering to others and I he seems to have addressed that angle thoroughly.

As for the old tweets – maybe because I just saw a few screenshots without the larger context, I definitely didn’t perceive the satire. They were pretty hardcore. It’s clear he at least on some level relished deploying those tropes for reasons beyond “taking the slurs of the oppressors and flipping them” (whatever that means). Like Brad said, just saying certain things reveals your character. He sort of dances around this (“the words themselves have power”) but his insistence on his “good intent” seems to fall short of total honesty.

Four Jacks and a Jill (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 16:00 (three weeks ago) link

(not that it matters to me what this guy says, I’ve never ever heard of him before now, but episodes like this are interesting.)

Four Jacks and a Jill (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 16:01 (three weeks ago) link

so did the kid not know how to use a can opener at age 9 or ... they didn't have cereal or frozen stuff ... this whole thing just seems stupid to begin with and the pile-on makes everyone look bad.

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 19:20 (three weeks ago) link

Dud

dean bad (map), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 19:32 (three weeks ago) link

oh wait this is ilm

dean bad (map), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 19:32 (three weeks ago) link

Also Dud

dean bad (map), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 19:32 (three weeks ago) link

so did the kid not know how to use a can opener at age 9 or ... they didn't have cereal or frozen stuff

yes, this is the motivating premise of the entire story

shivers me timber (sic), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 19:35 (three weeks ago) link

Dud

sarahell, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 01:32 (three weeks ago) link

middle class you say. pistachios you say.

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 01:34 (three weeks ago) link

i wonder what bean dad thinks about the charcuterie is a tool of the ruling class guy?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 03:48 (three weeks ago) link

tool? as in ten thousand slices of prosciutto when all you need is a can opener?

sarahell, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 06:21 (three weeks ago) link

probably the thread title should be edited at this point to reflect that dude will gain more ilx attention as "bean dad" than for his band that I'd never heard of before someone commented on a thinkpiece someone else had shared that linked to an old website that lauded his band

sarahell, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 06:26 (three weeks ago) link

there are three threads with bean dad discussion, let's not rename all of them after a handful of now-deleted tweets

shivers me timber (sic), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 06:50 (three weeks ago) link

also, his band was great and they made two amazing albums and this whole thing is so dumb and doesn't change any of that a bit.

alpine static, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 07:21 (three weeks ago) link

xp - wait really? three threads ???

sarahell, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 07:26 (three weeks ago) link

https://imgur.com/gallery/Cyqqv

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 08:08 (three weeks ago) link

How lucky is Bean Dad, right?

— Catherynne M. Valente (@catvalente) January 9, 2021

fish quits shock (Matt #2), Saturday, 9 January 2021 10:08 (two weeks ago) link

*this past Tuesday*

"Please! Have some other vaguely well known indie musician be the brunt of everyone's ire."

"Be careful what you wish for."

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 9 January 2021 16:57 (two weeks ago) link

so did the kid not know how to use a can opener at age 9 or ... they didn't have cereal or frozen stuff

yes, this is the motivating premise of the entire story

Yeah, in the original story, he also stressed her difficulties with spatial skills and process visualization, that the cupboards were bare, and that he insisted no one would eat a bite until she figured out the can opener on her own. The version in the apology is very different. I could see the original being humorous if it had been clearly intended as fiction.

Sharp! Distance! (Sund4r), Saturday, 9 January 2021 17:41 (two weeks ago) link


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