Steely Dan: "Steely Dan's name has been popping up as a hip musical crush. Remember, this glossy bop-pop was the indifferent aristocracy to punk rock's stone-throwing in the late 70's. People fought

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There just aren't enough Steely Dan threads on here.

this quote was re: Two Against Nature. I'm sure the source of this is obvious. So is it the truth, or is it a baffling misrepresentation of a great band/duo of maniacs?

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 13 February 2004 01:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Most ridiculous thing I've ever read on ILM, including the profession of love for The Rapture, Al Sharpton, and prostate tickling.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 01:57 (seventeen years ago) link

It's a quote from pfork, btw.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 13 February 2004 01:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Figures.

Dan I., Friday, 13 February 2004 01:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry but Steely Dan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the vast majority of so-called punk rock music.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:00 (seventeen years ago) link

yep

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Steely Dan may be incredibly boring and overrated, but I'd still have to say that that quote is completely ridiculous. "Fought and died"? You mean played guitar and OD'd on heroin like morons? OH OKEY!

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:02 (seventeen years ago) link

It's all wrong, anyway. They were a bunch of scathing smart-asses whose "glossy bop-pop" got much sample-love later and deservedly so.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno..."Cylctron" vs. "Do It Again"...that's a toughie, yessiree bob.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:03 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah...

Walter Becker >>>>> Johnny Thunders
AJA >>>>> Never Mind the Bollocks
"Hey Nineteen" >>>>>> "London Calling"

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:04 (seventeen years ago) link

'Steely Dan may be incredibly boring and overrated, but I'd still have to say that that quote is completely ridiculous. "Fought and died"? You mean played guitar and OD'd on heroin like morons? OH OKEY!'

You're incredibly boring and overrated

pete s, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Possibly not overrated

pete s, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Well lead me to the non-boring Steely Dan, I may have heard the wrong stuff. Show me the light.

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:07 (seventeen years ago) link

"Deacon Blues!"

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:09 (seventeen years ago) link

non-boring: all of it

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Can't Buy a Thrill
Gaucho

These bookends to their - original - career are funpacked, not as knowing as what comes in between. Though some may disagree violently.

pete s, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Also download 'Josie'(from Aja). Tell me this isn't the coolest, streetest, dirtiest, sweetest thing ever.

pete s, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:14 (seventeen years ago) link

aor at its most unimaginative...

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:17 (seventeen years ago) link

zzzzzzzzzz

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:20 (seventeen years ago) link

where the fuck is d4rn1elle when we need him?

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:25 (seventeen years ago) link

They could play.. Then, so what, so could the entire Californian studio mafia too. More importantly, Steely Dan wrote classy songs, and they are one of still very few examples of a band breaking up, reuniting several years later and still being able to make great albums.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:26 (seventeen years ago) link

punk wasn't necessarily about making consumer artifacts though. its like comparing the results of an evening out (vomit, scars, vague memories) with the results of staying in and doing a bit of knitting.

mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:28 (seventeen years ago) link

The pfork quote is obv. outdated ignorant crap. Really John Darnielle could explain why best. It betrays a hatred of the musical forms which the Dan use/are influenced by, the fact most happen to be black in origin is irrelevant, the fact that that they swing isn't. John Lydon was a fan of ABBA and Van Der Graaf Generator.
He didn't die; Sid Vicious did.

pete s, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:28 (seventeen years ago) link

aw don't knock prostate tickling :(

g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:30 (seventeen years ago) link

i saw them right when they first went back out on tour and they just sounded amazing. just one great song after another.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:31 (seventeen years ago) link

look, they were studio dudes. there is a *reason* they were studio dudes. they lacked the imagination and spark to do anything truly great. they are an energyless study in basic competence.

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Well put by Geir.

Great band. Once again, a Pitchdork writer postures but doesn't offer anything in the way of interesting musical insight. But hey maybe one of these days we'll get a "reassessment" of them too.

I saw 'em on the reunion tour as well! I drove three hours to see them in Indianapolis, in fact, because I couldn't get tickets for CHicago. Good show overall, although I will admit to being a bit disappointed at the time, probably just cuz I had built it up so much in my mind.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link

they are an energyless study in basic competence.

If you want to insult them, fine, but accusing them of mere "basic competence" is a tad silly.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:39 (seventeen years ago) link

'look, they were studio dudes. there is a *reason* they were studio dudes. they lacked the imagination and spark to do anything truly great.'

Where have your favourite bands made their greatest albums? In their kitchens? On a beach in Spain?

pete s, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:42 (seventeen years ago) link

not really. what is the difference between a musician and brilliant musician? a musician is "competent". a brilliant musician has a command of songwriting and a creative spark thatgoes beyond competence. LISTEN to Steely Dan for God's sake, how can you argue this?

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:43 (seventeen years ago) link

uh, great tunes, witty lyrics?

mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:44 (seventeen years ago) link

where?

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:44 (seventeen years ago) link

XTC, Prefab Sprout, Scritti Politti and Todd Rundgren are studio acts too. And they are all great. Just like Steely Dan.

Not to mention The Beatles from "Revolver" onwards.....

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:45 (seventeen years ago) link

"Steely Dan's fifth album, The Royal Scam, was released on both sides of the Atlantic in May 1976. It was a nine-song collection which, despite Gary Katz's criticism of ABC Studios, had again been recorded there with additional sessions at A & R Studios in New York.

"By now, Becker and Fagen's pool of musicians had expanded into a veritable orchestra of session players. They thought nothing of flying a guitar player or a drummer -- or indeed both -- across the country to play little more than a few bars of one song which might not even make it onto disc. Expense didn't enter into it; their foremost consideration was to find the right stylistic match and to create as perfect a rendition of each composition as was humanly possible. Within a few years they would take their obsessiveness even further, using the latest technology to create absolute millisecond-perfect drum tracks, using either a drum machine, a computer, a live drummer, or a combination of all three.

"At the sessions for The Royal Scam, Fagen and Becker began to record each tune with six or seven different rhythm sections, switching the players around to try almost every configuration possible. They would record all the songs with Rick Marotta and then record them all over again with Bernard Purdie to see what each drummer could bring to the tunes.

"Bass players, guitar players, and keyboard players would flit in and out of a variety of studios so often they never knew what was going on. Different combinations of musicians were playing all the songs on successive nights and no one knew in advance -- including sometimes Becker and Fagen -- who (if anyone) would end up on the final track. On some frustrating occasions, after countless unsuccessful takes, a song would be dropped because Becker and Fagen decided that none of the multitude of efforts had come close to their vision of the song. Often Becker and Fagen's microscopic fastidiousness bewildered the session players, who thought every facet of the track sounded fine but which for some reason Becker and Fagen refused to accept. And no amount of talking could persuade them otherwise.

"Fagen and Becker took their controlled experimentation further with each album; it would reach its limit on Gaucho when it became increasingly unlikely that they would ever be satisfied with virtually any basic track. During Gaucho they employed an astonishing forty musicians and singers and worked on one song for so long and listened back to it so many times that they actually wore the oxide off the tape."

-from Steely Dan: Reelin' in the Years, by Brian Sweet, Omnibus Press 1994

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:46 (seventeen years ago) link

best driving music this side of AC/DC

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:46 (seventeen years ago) link

(that's not a response to anyone, that's just a passage i really like)

(xpost)

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Bernard Purdie is Pretty brilliant.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Steely Dan fans are inexplicable to me. This is a mediocre band at best.

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't have the energy to try to persuade anyone, but I think they made some great music, and their songwriting actually stands out as a strength.

Feel free not to like them.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:49 (seventeen years ago) link

i do, i do!

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I always recall JBR's story about hearing some random Charlie Parker cd and realizing that a couple bars in the middle of one of his solos were transcribed to form that cool little coda at the end of "Parker's Band". I think that is brilliant. I always meant to try to hear the Parker cut.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Steely dan's music, with it's incredible sonic palette, sly hooks and phat beats is almost tailor made for the Timberland/Neptunes era. They've won and they'll continue to win.

pete s, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Broheems: The Parker cut is called "Bongo Beep" and is easily slskable.

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:59 (seventeen years ago) link

the burden of proof is on you, Orbit dude. You ain't doing too good so far.

dan roolz, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Cool! I will seek it out.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:02 (seventeen years ago) link

LISTEN to Steely Dan for God's sake, how can you argue this?

LEAVE GOD OUT OF THIS.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:04 (seventeen years ago) link

SD are massively brilliant, lyrically and musically, and I think they're actually a lot more diverse than people give them credit for. It's rock/pop music as subversive satire or really wry melancholy.

This is the first time I'm squarely in Geir's corner! :o

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:04 (seventeen years ago) link

the opening quote is ridiculous, of course. but i wonder aloud to the people "who were there" (mistahs sinkah, kogan, and currie?) -- was steely dan one of the enemies of the punkers? i would think that they'd just have ignored them instead of actively sneering or abusing them.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I loved them when I saw them on tour last year. "Everything Must Go" features so many lyrics that catch my ear or crack me up, and I'm not much of a lyrics person. It's such a great concept album, like midlife crisis as metaphor for the end of the world. Or maybe the other way around.

Oddly enough, the only other Dan album I listen to regularly is "The Royal Scam," which I feel has always gotten short shrift. I once heard a DJ mix in "The Fez," and the crowd went nuts. The interview I once did with Becker/Fagen was a hoot, too.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:12 (seventeen years ago) link

that early 70's band rocked live. or at least on the stuff i've heard. i would have loved to see that.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i remember being really upset that seth rogen said steely dan gargles balls in knocked up. "they're good!" i thought

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 23:13 (one week ago) link

And what's wrong with gargling balls.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 23:23 (one week ago) link

paul rudd’s character is the label guy and he liked them!

bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 23:26 (one week ago) link

DUMPLINGS!!!

― “Heroin” (ft. Bobby Gillespie) (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, July 21, 2021 3:58 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 22 July 2021 05:35 (one week ago) link

nothing wrong with gargling balls either

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 22 July 2021 05:35 (one week ago) link

the more neckbeard sector has co-opted both black metal and DJ Screw to the point where they're post about unironically enjoying dudes with names like Lil Sad Fam that we would have written off as minstrel shows or w/e

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/weve-only-begun-to-understand-xxxtentacions-musical-legacy-665891/

da croupier, Thursday, 22 July 2021 06:52 (one week ago) link

So close!

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 on broadway (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 22 July 2021 07:35 (one week ago) link

Can I just say how pleased I am that I never weighed into this thread?

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 22 July 2021 15:59 (one week ago) link

lol

Two Severins Clash (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 22 July 2021 16:02 (one week ago) link

woah rare da croupier post

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 22 July 2021 16:46 (one week ago) link

Coming out of the woodwork to swing-and-miss at a zing

our boy is out of practice, we miss u

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 on broadway (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 22 July 2021 16:55 (one week ago) link

millennials are doing lots of coke tho

― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, July 21, 2021 6:40 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

What about zoomers?

― “Heroin” (ft. Bobby Gillespie) (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, July 21, 2021 6:42 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

my anecdotal experience tells me: yes, them too

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 22 July 2021 17:16 (one week ago) link

zoomers aren't doing enough coke

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 22 July 2021 18:10 (one week ago) link

steely Dan is weed music, tho

brimstead, Thursday, 22 July 2021 18:21 (one week ago) link

to listen to or to perform?

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 22 July 2021 18:22 (one week ago) link

nevermind, no it’s not

brimstead, Thursday, 22 July 2021 18:22 (one week ago) link

"Glamour Profession" is 100% a coke song

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 22 July 2021 18:23 (one week ago) link

"Kid Charlemagne" is more of an acid song

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 22 July 2021 18:23 (one week ago) link

cheering for the increase in psychedelics and weed, booing for for the opiates

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Thursday, 22 July 2021 18:28 (one week ago) link

makes tonight a wonderful thing, iirc

bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Thursday, 22 July 2021 18:29 (one week ago) link

croup!!!

I honk along darkened Bobo-doors (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 22 July 2021 18:34 (one week ago) link

It was indulgent to acknowledge - Whiney’s “I saw a hipster in the mirror, so I punched it!!” pathology is old hat, as is the deflection when it’s called out - but this post was brought to my attention and I was tickled how it related to the last article brought to my attention.

da croupier, Thursday, 22 July 2021 18:55 (one week ago) link

The Cuervo Gold

The fine Colombian

trial by wombat (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 22 July 2021 19:11 (one week ago) link

I believe it was on this forum where I learned that “Colombian” would have meant weed not coke in 1980

brimstead, Thursday, 22 July 2021 19:18 (one week ago) link

glamour profession definitely a coke song yeah, the special delivery, “living hard will takes its toll” etc

brimstead, Thursday, 22 July 2021 19:20 (one week ago) link

xxpost 2 coup

No D-40, but A) XXX and his milieu have nothing to do with what I was talking about & probably actually serves as the best case *against* millennial vibe culture and B) I clearly replaced hipster schtick with cross-generational lulz, get on my level and C) Glad to know there's someone in your life so concerned with my posting on a Jute Gyte-and-The-1975 message board that they're bringing them to your attention

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 on broadway (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 22 July 2021 19:25 (one week ago) link

*croup

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 on broadway (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 22 July 2021 19:26 (one week ago) link

posting hard will take its toll

bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Thursday, 22 July 2021 19:40 (one week ago) link

I believe it was on this forum where I learned that “Colombian” would have meant weed not coke in 1980

― brimstead, Thursday, July 22, 2021 2:18 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is one of those things my brain won't accept even though it checks out. But I guess the vibe of the song is more weed than coke anyway.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 22 July 2021 19:46 (one week ago) link

I don't believe it

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 22 July 2021 19:47 (one week ago) link

he's talking about coffee

bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Thursday, 22 July 2021 19:48 (one week ago) link

a Jute Gyte-and-The-1975 message board

lmao

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 22 July 2021 19:48 (one week ago) link

the fine Columbian pour over

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 22 July 2021 19:49 (one week ago) link

drugs is drugs and Becker should know

calstars, Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:08 (one week ago) link

fine = powder. If the lyrics were "dried columbian" maybe I'd buy that they were talking about grass.

BrianB, Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:31 (one week ago) link

in 1980 Colombian meant pot, cocaine was Peru

mark e. smith-moon (f. hazel), Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:35 (one week ago) link

seems like cocaine was often grown in Peru and then processed in Columbia in the late 70s/early 80s

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:43 (one week ago) link

I thought Bolivia was cocaine.

But definitely weed in 1980. "Colombian" was practically synonymous with good weed.

nickn, Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:50 (one week ago) link

i don't know about the slang back then
but i feel like in the context of a skeevy guy trying to seduce a young woman the story, that weed makes more sense, trying to create a relaxing hey let your guard down mellow out type of vibe

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 22 July 2021 21:21 (one week ago) link

Man I would puke on tequila and weed.

pplains, Thursday, 22 July 2021 21:30 (one week ago) link

lord knows i have

i haven't read that article about why the kids like steely dan, but i believe it can be summed up as "you learn to love steely dan after you barf and return to the party and continue drinking"

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 22 July 2021 21:41 (one week ago) link

i know what the kids do. they're barfing out there

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 22 July 2021 21:41 (one week ago) link

when I was 12 I would listen to “bodhisattva” and “my old school” back to back as soon as I got home from school, I was not very cool

brimstead, Thursday, 22 July 2021 21:53 (one week ago) link

must have been a hard drinking elementary school

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 22 July 2021 21:57 (one week ago) link

Which Steely Dan tune has that lyric

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 July 2021 22:42 (one week ago) link

*teenager looking at ilx in the late 70s/early 80s & reading the posts about what columbia is* damn these guys are cool as hell...

xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 22 July 2021 23:34 (one week ago) link

so much meta

brimstead, Thursday, 22 July 2021 23:56 (one week ago) link

I believe it was on this forum where I learned that “Colombian” would have meant weed not coke in 1980

― brimstead, Thursday, July 22, 2021 2:18 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I can't wait to use this newfound nugget of trivia, but unfortunately I don't go to any millennial/zoomer parties.

enochroot, Friday, 23 July 2021 00:14 (one week ago) link

Yeah, Columbian = weed, not coke, at least then.

Also, not seeing Cuervo and coke as a "wonderful thing" - not saying it might not be a rocket ship to a good time, but wouldn't describe it as wonderful.

Carlos Santana & Mahavishnu Rob Thomas (PBKR), Friday, 23 July 2021 02:55 (one week ago) link


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