Albert Goldman - Classic or Dud?

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This is the guy who wrote those infamous books on Elvis and John Lennon in the 1980s that pissed off the entire world. Greil Marcus accused him of "cultural genocide," Robert Christgau practically called for his death. Andy Kaufman stopped a SNL sketch about Elvis to tell the world not to listen to Albert Goldman. Bono even wrote a song about him.

Now that he's been dead almost a decade, and most of his books are out of print, is it time to take a second look? A book of his articles on rock (Freakshow) has just been reissued and I've read a few revisionist articles (by Victor Bockris and Barry Miles) claiming that Goldman was the finest rock biographer who ever lived. I'm reading the Lennon bio at the moment and I'm coming to the conclusion that it's the best thing ever written about the man - very scathing in places, but at least not marred by the sentimentalism of all the other Beatles books. And his research was brilliant.

So, unfairly maligned gonzo biographer or jealous, shit-flinging hack?

Justyn Dillingham, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Classic - I never was the least bit interested in Elvis or the Beatles until reading those books! I believe all those stories, because even if they aren't true it (they) would be cooler if they were!
The funniest thing was all the reactions to the 'bisexual' stories in the Lennon book. P McCartney, J Wenner esp. - "John was a straight as a baton. Nosiree, he definitely was 100% straight!" in solemn tones. I mean, Jesus, lighten up. And if Sean Lennon really was weaned off smack as a baby that would explain his being so dislikeable!

dave q, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Also, didn't anyone think Bono's line - "Don't believe in Goldman, his type like a curse" - sounded a little, um, anti-Semitic? This didn't bother fans of Michael "Kike me" Jackson either, not even his pal Steven "should've been cornholed by that stalker" Spielberg

dave q, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

CLASSIC, although an awful lot of Goldman's 'research' was the work of his assistants (see the acknowledgements in the back of the Lennon bk), and I wouldn't call him 'gonzo' - he rarely uses the subjective personal pronoun, thank god.

There's no doubt that Goldman concentrated on sleaze to the exlusion of almost everything else - his 'Elvis: The Last 24 Hours' is an esp. fine example of mean-minded necro biog - but his stuff is always great fun to read, and the Lennon bk was, at the time, a much-needed corrective to the idea that JL was some kind of latterday saint. Saying that, I think his treatment of Yoko goes beyond bitchiness into outright misogyny, and his bk on Elvis is amazingly cloth-eared and snobby abt the pleasures of pop cult. The two Guralnick bks abt Elvis are much better in terms of facts, cultural reach, sympathetic understanding, etc. There does seem to be a high degree of slightly slimy self-loathing in his writing - like he feels angry that he's been duped, which is sort of silly in a critic. I mean, of course rock stars are pretty flawed human beings. And he liked the Doors, for chrissakes (but then so did Meltzer and Tosches, hey ho.)

His earlier bk on Lenny Bruce is much more sympathetic - 'balanced', even - and not nearly so interesting.

Andrew L, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

DUD. Whatever the stupid reductivity of Goldman's theses (Elvis was a scumbag; Lennon was a scumbag--uh, do we detect a pattern here, folks?), he was without doubt one of the WORST stylists I've ever read, embarrassingly pseudo-hip and imperiously smug, and he didn't have a fucking thing to "say," either. This doesn't excuse the maudlin handwringing of the Wenner contingent over the Lennon book, but read G. Marcus's review of the Elvis book again (it's in Dead Elvis). In a lot of ways his worst predictions have come true: people have mindlessly dismissed Elvis as racist without a shred of evidence outside of a rumor (the "shine my shoes and buy my records" quote, which has never been and which Presley denied all his life) and Goldman's gross misquoting of Sam Phillips's "If I could find a white man with the Negro sound and the Negro feel, I could make a million dollars" as "If I could find a white boy who sang like a nigger, I could make a billion dollars," which by itself calls every other piece of research he ever did into serious question.

M. Matos, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I meant to write "never been substantiated." d'oh.

M. Matos, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

If you go to the New York City Museum of Television & Radio, you can go to a cubicle and view a mid-sixties CBS program hosted by Mike Wallace called The Homosexual. It's pretty priceless. The subject matter is treated with a "concerned" heavy- handedness you just don't see in today's entertainment-driven television news programs. You get a look-see into all the sixties homophile groups like Mattachine and the Daugthers of Bilitis, and you get to hear a sad audio recording of an army guy on leave getting busted for indiscreet bathroom activity. The best part though is a serious debate about The Homosexual And The Arts involving Albert Goldman and Gore fucking Vidal. Vidal does his bored patrician schtick while Goldman offers the kind of jaw-dropping Velvet Mafia libel that even National Review writers wouldn't touch nowadays. What made Goldman's intellectual excretions even more mind- bending was that he was totally setting my gaydar off, especially with his weird little verbal tic where the last syllable of every phrase trailed offffff, almost like a mini-whiiiiine. (He sort of sounded like Hilton Kramer, if that means anything.) This, coupled with his high camp rockcrit prose, the fag-baiting in his books (like the airy suggestion that John Lennon might have solicitied young boys in Bangkok) AND the fact that he wrote what was probably the first "serious" book about disco -- all of this makes me suspect that Albert Goldman might have been one deeply conflicted dude. I'd rather read a book about him than Jim fucking Morrison.

If you want a rock idol-smashing bio that's still essentially fair to its subject, Chet Flippo's McCartney is a superlative choice.

Michael Daddino, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'Fair to subject'? BOOORRRRRRIINNNG! These people are big enuff to take care of themselves.

dave q, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Goldman = very VERY terrible stylist, and yeah, self-loathing. I haf a book on Wagner which he writes an essay in, reffing anti- semitism: to cut through the fuffle, since Wagner = a V.Grate Man, AG is pro it.

mark s, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'Fair to subject'? BOOORRRRRRIINNNG! These people are big enuff to take care of themselves.

That's not the point; the point is that journalism is supposed to be an ethical practice, and people like Goldman, who rely on spurious information and flat-out CAN'T FUCKING WRITE, make the rest of the people doing it look bad. There's nothing wrong with being unfair in a critical context, or even putting a slant on the information you're presenting as long as you're actually presenting information. Goldman just SUCKED at it.

M. Matos, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dud. Matos is exactly right, especially in his reference to Goldman's misquoting of Sam Phillips, a puzzle which took Marcus precisely one short phone call to unravel. Goldman was the worst rock writer ever, far more concerned with his own 'highbrow goes slumming it' fantasies than actually analysing or interpreting his subjects. His Elvis biog makes less reference to the music than even Kitty Kelley on Sinatra, while the Lennon book was flawed throughout by his sheer exasperation that one of his putative heroes should fall so hard for such an obvious fraud as Yoko Ono. (In some ways it's a valid point, but his distaste permeated the entire book, even infecting his analysis of Lennon's early work). His very arrogance raises the old 'why aren't pop stars as clever as me, an respected academic who knows lots more about things than they do', and its concomitant 'why am I, an respected academic, not the subject of worldwide adulation and financial and sexual offers'. But that's another thread entirely. His 'Sound Bites', a compilation of his crappiest reportage available in many remainder stores for £1.99 or less, is well worth picking up however, especially for his touching belief that Rock Opera would save the day for friends of aged academics unsure just how to react to this thing called Rock Music. Goldman died on a plane between New York and London incidentally, his corpse shuttling across the Atlantic repeatedly until someone could be found to sign for it.

Snotty Moore, Friday, 5 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The first Elvis book: flawed by the fact that Goldman was clueless about Presley's appeal (who really cares that Elvis liked to eat yogurt?), and somewhat awkwardly written, but not as terrible as everyone made it out to be. his chapter on how he found out the truth about Colonel Parker is hilarious - especially his bitching about the people he interviewed who weren't any help.

The Lennon book: this is more like it. all the stuff about Lennon's affair with Brian Epstein and his supposed bisexual debauchery in Bangkok is just wishful thinking on Goldman's part, and all on the level of "John told Yoko who told her now-estranged friend who told me this," which is why it was rightly denounced at the time. but if you read it with a critical eye, I think it comes closer to depicting the real John than any other book - with the exception of some of his printed interviews.

The second Elvis book: I like the line about "It's better to be unconscious than miserable." Richey Manic used to go around quoting that.

The rest of it: I've read Sound Bites and part of Freakshow. he's very good on disco and Michael Jackson, and while his syntax indeed resembles "someone who dictates rather than writes," I have to admit he comes up with a truly memorable turn of phrase once in a while. maybe it's just perverse, but I enjoy the way he makes the most unreal, unexpected comparisons. for example, likening the opening of I Am the Walrus to "the soundtrack of a grimly realistic black-and- white film of the late Forties" (especially effective, and right-on, considering that most people associate it with the psychedelicism of its age - with, you know, bright colors and all). it's the kind of thing almost no other rock critic would have come up with. what I like about Goldman (and what others hate) is that he writes from the perspective of an outsider to the rock culture. I like Nik Cohn and Greil Marcus for similar reasons, though they're much better writers.

So I haven't actually decided if Goldman is any good or not, and sometimes I think he's terrible. But pretentious or not, I sure prefer him to that sniffy, self-righteous little twerp Dave Marsh. (Who else could make a biography of the WHO so god-damned boring?)

Justyn Dillingham, Saturday, 6 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think it's better to be miserable than unconscious.

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 6 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'd rather be unconscious than happy.

dave q, Sunday, 7 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'd rather be unconscious than going around quoting Richey Manic.

M. Matos, Monday, 8 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

six months pass...
I have read the JL biog and found it interesting. I daresay some of it is truth and some of it is fabricated, but what did irk me was the way he tried to say what JL was thinking. How does he know what a dead man was/is thinking. If somebody is trying to write a serious biog and then second guesses what the subject is thinking, then it is not a biog but a novel.

Ged Kehoe, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Also, didn't anyone think Bono's line - "Don't believe in Goldman, his type like a curse" - sounded a little, um, anti-Semitic?
Or just anti-shit flinging hack? Bono hates shit-flinging hacks. Especially those that diss Lennon.

Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

What people don't seem to remember is that Albert Goldman was a bigot. He made all kinds of rude comments about black bluesmen, all southerners (white and black), and made a couple mean-spirited potshots at Yoko Ono's ethnicity. He didn't merely mock the fact that Yoko Ono has the unfortunate problem of being Yoko Ono...he made potshot at the mere fact that she was Oriental.
Next time you leaf through The Lives of John Lennon, notice that he titled one of the chapters "The Rennons buy a Lenoir"

Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I remember Phil Spector writing a pretty scathing letter to some magazine when they printed Goldman's obituary. Something along the lines of "Albert Goldman's dead? I want someone to check and make sure, because I don't trust him." It ended with "Time wounds all heels."

Joe, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two months pass...
I haven't made my mind up yet but there's one thing for sure. I've been more entertained by Goldman's clinical mudslinging than Ray Connelly's bland, reverential and largely uncritical 'definitive biog'. With the knowledge and flair that appears in some of the above comments, why hasn't anyone written an intelligent, journalistically just and non-arse licking book on the subject.

andrew james, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

sorry, i meant Ray Coleman not Ray Connelly (above)

andrew james, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Heh, I believe this was my first ever post to ILM. Not a very auspicious start.

Here's an interesting revisionist take on Goldman from the now defunct Gadfly: http://www.gadflyonline.com/archive/book/book-07-07-99.html

Justyn Dillingham, Saturday, 20 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

wow. it proves that (a) Goldman's writing sucked even in letters to friends and (b) it would be Victor Bockris who thinks Goldman is a great writer.

M Matos, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

DUD---Albert Goldman engages in classic tabloid or trash journalism/biography/criticism. It is the Jerry Springer/Geraldo Rivera/Howard Stern mindset applied to biography. Trash, sleaze, innuendo, a pathological emphasis on necrology, are all elements. Goldman knows that sleaze sells. Controversy sells. So I think greed and notoreity were goals for Goldman. But I think the rejection of his books was universal. Jews and non-Jews dismissed his hateful drivel and slanderous innuendo. What Bono meant was that Goldman was the type of sleazebag and scum, attacking people who could not defend themselves. Goldman is more like Adolf Hitler and the Nazis to me. Go with your strength, hit someone that is weaker and cannot defend himself. Goldman is like Adolf Hitler of biography. But we are commemorating the 25th anniversary of the death of Elvis Presley this year with a celebration of his life and achievement that will be unprecedented. Elvis already has a no.1 record in many countries around the world. But Albert Goldman is dead and forgotten. No one will remember Goldman. No one remembers him now except as a scumbag tabloid hack. But who got the last laugh, huh? Goldman is forgotten garbage now but Elvis is having a remarkable resurgence and is the "artist of the century", the greatest performer in the world. So why waste your time reading trash and garbage? Go buy the new Elvis 30 no.1s album. Goldman is still scum. But DEAD and forgotten scum. Sometimes the world is just.

Carl Savich, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Dud, Hack, Buffoon. From the very first chapter of Goldman's book, "Elvis" Goldman spells it out pretty clearly what his slant is. Granted the "King's" life when examined under a scope was bound to be pretty odd compared to some.

Previous posters re Goldman's antipathy towards blacks, southerners, pop-culture etc. is spot on. It was hard to stomach his absurdly lurid descriptions of Elvis sleeping in bed, Elvis eating, Elvis crying at his mothers funeral, Elvis joking with his buddies. It all smacks of some silly pre-existing bias Goldman had against the subject that he chose to write about.

Biographers are not journalists, in that there is no canon that holds them to truthfulness or a documenting of their work. Goldman's book struck some nerve at the time it was published, and got a lot of attention. Not sure why. He was a writer who decided to become a hack, got lucky and capitalized on it.

Didn't read the Lennon book or any others of his after the first one.

Fred Grogan, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
You obviously don't know what antisemitism means. So I'll excuse your stupid comment about Bono's line. What does it have to do with Bono's line? Goldman's hardly worth writing a line about, let alone a song.

love, Sunday, 6 October 2002 17:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dud. I'm all for killing yr idols, but there's a certain line between good natured idol-bashing and plain ol' fashioned hatefulness, and Goldman crossed that line; the very suggestion of even comparing him to Christgau, Marsh, Marcus etc makes my blood boil- no matter what you may think of their writing, at least none of those based their writing on bigotry. And if it's just outright sleaze you're looking for, why take some dead boring old fart's lies second hand instead of making up your own? A bit of creativity please, ppl!

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 6 October 2002 21:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
GOLDMAN WAS A POMPOUS DICKHEAD.HE MADE HIS LIVING BY GUMMING THE BONES OF FALLEN MEN FAR GREATER THAN HIMSELF. MEN LIKE ELVIS PRESLEY ARE ONE IN A BILLION, MEN LIKE GOLDMAN ARE A DIME A DOZEN.YOU NEED ONLY WALK INTO YOUR LOCAL STAR BUCKS TO SEE THEM ARROGANTLY SIPPING THEIR CAFFE LATTE’.GOLDMAN WAS A MISERABLE BITTER OLD PRICK WITH DEEP FEELINGS OF HIS OWN INADEQUACIES, AND HE HAD TO OVER COMPENSATE BY THUMBING HIS NOSE AT MEN WHO DID FAR MORE WITH THEIR LIVES THAN HE EVER DID. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AN ELVIS FAN,I ONLY READ GOLDMAN’S “ELVIS-THE LAST 24 HOURS” BECAUSE I HAD NO PREVIOUS KNOWLEDGE OF GOLDMAN’S REPUTATION FOR BEING A WINY LITTLE PISS ANT,SO MAD AT THE WORLD THAT HE HAD TO SYSTEMATICALLY TRY TO POINT OUT THE SKELETONS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE CLOSETS. I ONLY BOUGHT THE BOOK BECAUSE IT HAD TO DO WITH ELVIS,AS I’M SURE MOST PEOPLE DID.SO WHAT GOLDMAN REALLY DID WAS QUITE CHILDISH,HE EXPLOITED THE FAN’S LOVE AND LOYALTY FOR MEN LIKE ELVIS AND USED THAT TO HOOK THEM INTO READING TWO HUNDRED PAGE TEMPER TANTRUM.IN CLOSING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM GLAD THAT GOLDMAN,THAT LOUSY SON OF A BITCH, IS DEAD.AND UNLIKE ELVIS WHO PASSED AWAY AND LEFT THIS WORLD HEART BROKEN FROM THE LOSS; WHEN GOLDMAN DIED I LAUGHED MY ASS OFF.I ONLY HOPE THAT GOLDMAN SUFFERED A MISERABLE LINGERING PAIN FULL DEATH THAT HE SO RICHLY DESERVED,AND MAT HE ROT IN HELL FOREVER.

PATRICK BAGDON, Friday, 8 November 2002 12:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

GOLDMAN WAS A POMPOUS DICKHEAD.HE MADE HIS LIVING BY GUMMING THE BONES OF FALLEN MEN FAR GREATER THAN HIMSELF. MEN LIKE ELVIS PRESLEY ARE ONE IN A BILLION, MEN LIKE GOLDMAN ARE A DIME A DOZEN.YOU NEED ONLY WALK INTO YOUR LOCAL STAR BUCKS TO SEE THEM ARROGANTLY SIPPING THEIR CAFFE LATTE’.GOLDMAN WAS A MISERABLE BITTER OLD PRICK WITH DEEP FEELINGS OF HIS OWN INADEQUACIES, AND HE HAD TO OVER COMPENSATE BY THUMBING HIS NOSE AT MEN WHO DID FAR MORE WITH THEIR LIVES THAN HE EVER DID. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AN ELVIS FAN,I ONLY READ GOLDMAN’S “ELVIS-THE LAST 24 HOURS” BECAUSE I HAD NO PREVIOUS KNOWLEDGE OF GOLDMAN’S REPUTATION FOR BEING A WINY LITTLE PISS ANT,SO MAD AT THE WORLD THAT HE HAD TO SYSTEMATICALLY TRY TO POINT OUT THE SKELETONS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE CLOSETS. I ONLY BOUGHT THE BOOK BECAUSE IT HAD TO DO WITH ELVIS,AS I’M SURE MOST PEOPLE DID.SO WHAT GOLDMAN REALLY DID WAS QUITE CHILDISH,HE EXPLOITED THE FAN’S LOVE AND LOYALTY FOR MEN LIKE ELVIS AND USED THAT TO HOOK THEM INTO READING TWO HUNDRED PAGE TEMPER TANTRUM.IN CLOSING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM GLAD THAT GOLDMAN,THAT LOUSY SON OF A BITCH, IS DEAD.AND UNLIKE ELVIS WHO PASSED AWAY AND LEFT THIS WORLD HEART BROKEN FROM THE LOSS; WHEN GOLDMAN DIED I LAUGHED MY ASS OFF.I ONLY HOPE THAT GOLDMAN SUFFERED A MISERABLE LINGERING PAIN FULL DEATH THAT HE SO RICHLY DESERVED,AND MAT HE ROT IN HELL FOREVER.

PATRICK BAGDON, Friday, 8 November 2002 12:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

four years pass...
Have just started on the Lennon biog. So far it reads like Bizarro world Comstock Carabinieri. Nice to know that Lonnie Donegan came from the North of England and that Liverpool didn't fall for any of Larry Parnes' "Elvis clones," the most prominent of which was Billy Fury from, er, Liverpool.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 February 2007 10:23 (seventeen years ago) link

(A funny thought came to me over the weekend: Did you ever get through all them Dylan albums?)

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 February 2007 10:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Thus far I have reached Planet Waves.

"On a night like theeeeeees"...for some reason it originally came out on Island here. Maybe he liked Bryan Ferry.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 February 2007 10:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I got a cheapie "blood on the tracks" CD (the 'millennium album facsimile remaster') and quite liked it.

Oh, yeah I have that "Island" LP. It's very strange seeing Bob Dylan's name on that label.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Goldman deserves classic for Disco and Ladies and Gentlemen, Lenny Bruce and dud for the bios. Frankly I found the Lennon to be more boring than provocative, couldn't finish it.

If you read the collected pieces in Freakshow it becomes clear that Goldman didn't much care for rock or the counterculture and took delight in both baiting the hippies and appropriating some of their "gonzo" writing style (though in truth I think Goldman's shtick was derived from Lenny Bruce's confrontational style). This has as much to do with the invective hurled at him from Marcus and Christgau as Goldman's sins again Elvis and St. John. He was a Coulmbia professor writing in mainstream publications like LIfe about the new music and culture with total irrereverance -- not to mention disrespect and occ. contempt-- and compared to that the nascent rock crits were cheerleaders.

The race thing is trickier, in this case I'd say that Goldman opened himself up to charges of racism by refusing to write about black musicians in hushed pious tones. As far as the Sam Phillips anecdote that Matos mentions upthread, it's worth noting that many southerners of that period pronounced/slurred the word "Negro" so it sounded like n****r. I'll never forget being 10 years old and hearing George Wallace talk like that on TV, truly shocking.

Goldman's writing style is undoubtedly over-the-top though I can easily think of far more egregious examples of gonzo prose overkill from the 70s. whatevs, one man's meat is another's poison.

My gaydar is non-existent but Michael D is right on in speculating about Goldman's conflicted sexuality, there are passages in Disco that feel unconsciously ah enthusiastic about some of the goings-on in the backrooms and sidelines.

Last time I flipped through Freak Show I got absorbed by a 1984 piece Goldman did on Michael Jackson -- prescient, eerie.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link

The first twenty pages of the Lennon book where he describes a typical 1979 day in the life are pretty chilling and I suspect pretty near the truth.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

If you read the collected pieces in Freakshow it becomes clear that Goldman didn't much care for rock or the counterculture and took delight in both baiting the hippies and appropriating some of their "gonzo" writing style (though in truth I think Goldman's shtick was derived from Lenny Bruce's confrontational style). This has as much to do with the invective hurled at him from Marcus and Christgau as Goldman's sins again Elvis and St. John.

Not sure if I understand you correctly: didn't Freakshow predate the Elvis bio by about a decade?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:10 (seventeen years ago) link

bob and greil had it in for goldman since the 60s is what I meant.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't remember Christgau ever saying anything Goldman before the bios. Greil, I don't know. Of course there might be backstage professional jealousies we don't know anything about -- didn't Goldman do some pieces for Esquire around the same time as Christgau?

See maybe I'd be more sympathetic to Goldman if I cared any for Lenny Bruce or gonzo, that shit to me is like the granddaddy of 21C attention-whoredomry, emphasis on "grandaddies" not to mention "whore." Plus the way he found the counterculture beneath him while trying really desperately trying to absorb some of its aristocratic hip makes him seem less like a gadfly than a more venal version of other sixties archetypes like the hip priest or the love-beads-wearing-professor. Or, hell, the swinger.

Also, you'd kinda figure someone who'd been in the South for X amount of time researching a book on Elvis would eventually understand the distinctions between how "Negro" and "n*gg*r" sounds coming out of a Southern mouth.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

"nigra" is how it came out and you could take it either way.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link

The first twenty pages of the Lennon book where he describes a typical 1979 day in the life are pretty chilling and I suspect pretty near the truth.

I reckon its pretty accurate. It's based mostly on Fred Seaman's notes.

Fred Seaman's book is my favourite Lennon biog, and I think the best, although it only covers a period of less than 2 years.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:33 (seventeen years ago) link

too bad Goldman's gone, he could've ghostwritten the memoir of Yoko Ono's chauffeur.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh that's interesting, I didn't know about the Seaman book. Is it still in print? (xpost)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Not sure - but it's readily available second hand.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 5 February 2007 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, Fred Seaman *who was charged in a criminal case* for stealing possessions from Lennon.

A Radio Picture (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Is that why he (Seaman) got shot?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:20 (seventeen years ago) link

He got shot?

A Radio Picture (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:49 (seventeen years ago) link

According to Goldman's book he did. In the car, argued with the driver of another car who backed into him, woman got out of the car and shot him, but he survived.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah. I kind of jumped around in that book.

A Radio Picture (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Of course, Goldmans's biogs say more about Goldman than their subjects.

Always fascinating how a person's temperament colours their perception of the world around them.

Phil Knight (PhilK), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

It was Norman Seaman who got shot. Fred's uncle. He was a manager and concert promoter who had worked with Yoko.

Fred's aunt Helen was Sean's nanny.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

So, is the forthcoming Philip Norman book the "lives of John Lennon it's ok to discuss now"?

I got the AlbGol book for a pound recently, so far am actually impressed by the scale of the book, and some of the things that have been stated as "Goldman says in his book" turn out to be not so.

He does not say John beat up Stu and caused his death (he actually says the opposite), but he does say John felt guilty about it.

Mark G, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 14:12 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

just said this on the shapiro thread: re goldman's disco book, is it worth reading? i've seen it for around £70 which is crazy but so does anyone here have it and fancy scanning it in?

ps. the vitriol on this thread is quite something!

NI, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link

I remember Phil Spector writing a pretty scathing letter to some magazine when they printed Goldman's obituary. Something along the lines of "Albert Goldman's dead? I want someone to check and make sure, because I don't trust him." It ended with "Time wounds all heels."

^^^this thread brings the lolz

ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link

ps. the vitriol on this thread is quite something!

Well, he brought it upon himself, the guy was a message board troll avant la lettre.

Here is a nicely written, even-handed, clear-headed takedown of his Elvis bio: http://www.ulmus.net/ace/aceworks/presley.html.

What You Know Is POLLS!: The Orson Welles Poll (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Meant to use italics, not bold, aargh.

What You Know Is POLLS!: The Orson Welles Poll (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...

so excited to tear into the lennon book tmrw

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY4aPAehQ4A

piscesx, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 18:04 (nine years ago) link

watching videos like that last night, and the one where he's with Hunter Davies, really repulsed me though, and yeah, his bigotry and self-loathing makes everything he writes reek, but damn this lennon book is jUICY

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 18:20 (nine years ago) link

Goldman's origin story explains a lot:

http://vk.com/video175391573_163319014

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 18:51 (nine years ago) link

lmfao

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 19:15 (nine years ago) link


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