Defend the Indefensible: Kenny Loggins and Michael McDonald

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It's two for the Price of One!

They both get more than their fair share of abuse, I say.

Sure, Kenny Loggins multitude of soundtrack donations are all kinda vapid...but it's a fun kind of vapid. Really ingeniously performed
C'mon, Ilxors....let's just come out of the closet and admit we all bopped along to "Footloose" and "Danger Zone" back in the day.

Sure, his old band (The Doobie Brothers) have alot to answer for, but lets face facts. He might be best Blue Eyed Soul singer that ever existed.
I bet every time Michael McDonald comes on the radio, Michael Bolton gnashes his teeth in envy and frustration, knowing to the depths of his shrivelled little ex-Metalhead heart that he can never achieve Michael McDonalds level of awesomness.
(This is inspired by hearing some of Michael McDonald's Motown cover song record. He acquits himself well.)

So anyhow...Defend the Indefensible/Say Something Nice About them...

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 02:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Didn't they duet once? Oh wait, that was Loggins and Steve Perry, that actually was the Beyonce/Jay-Z pairing of that place and time (if you will).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 02:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh, and Elvis Telecom's story about Loggins to thread.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 02:22 (sixteen years ago) link

McDonald did some killer backup vox on some classic Steely Dan tracks.
Kenny Loggins rode into the Danger Zone. Unfortunately, he came back.


Will (will), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 02:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Hardly indefensible, as McDonald contributed to several good Steely Dan records, and there are a few Loggins & Messina album tracks which aren't too bad ("Same Old Wine", "Angel Eyes").

x-post w/Will

Nom De Plume (Nom De Plume), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 02:27 (sixteen years ago) link

"Angel Eyes" is a big cut in the steppers scene on the South Side of Chicago.

ANd yeah, I like a bunch of McDonald fronted tracks, both with the Doobies and solo. They are welcome to end that phone ad campaign anytime though.

Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 02:53 (sixteen years ago) link

If you can't find room in your heart for "What a Fool Believes" or "Sweet Freedom", then you just don't have a heart. (Broheems x-post!)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 02:55 (sixteen years ago) link

oh, mr. mcdonald is SO defensible. others beat me to the punch, so that's my answer.

re mr. loggins: supposedly, vox humana is at least kinda interesting. and it's also interesting how he went from being a seventies-sensitive-songwriter to an eighties-mullet-hitmeister. but he's basically harmless, so why fuss over him?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 02:59 (sixteen years ago) link

the really indefensible doobie bros stuff is pre- and post-mcdonald, of course. if i'm gonna go all out on boogie, i'll take the foghat over "china grove" any day.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 03:01 (sixteen years ago) link

"Black Water"!?!?!?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 03:59 (sixteen years ago) link

catfish are jumpin' YO

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 04:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Okay, hey, I'd like to add a wrinkle/subthread to this...
In a burst of enthusiasm above, I asserted the tough to prove notion that Michael McDonald might be the greatest Blue Eyed Soul Singer Evah.
But other candidates have since popped into my concious awareness.
Taking Sides: Michael McDonald vs Steve Winwood

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 04:03 (sixteen years ago) link

I sometimes listen to High Adventure when I'm really drunk.

The recent Michael McDonald ads have been drilling themselves into my brain.

Catherine (Catherine), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 04:08 (sixteen years ago) link

"Angry Eyes" is the name of the Loggins & Messina cut I was referencing. I blame Nom de Plume.

Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 04:18 (sixteen years ago) link

michael mcdonald:

pro: major influence on daft punk

con: my dad likes him

kenny loggins i got no problem with.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 04:20 (sixteen years ago) link

I liked Caddyshack...

(NB Kenny Loggins has become an author of Christian prayer books on the covers of which he appears in super-soft focus with anime eyes)

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 04:22 (sixteen years ago) link

..and actually now that I think about it, "Pathway to Glory" might be the cut that the steppers like. I forget. I know it was one of those big epic 8 minute cuts they did. I'd have to ask my friend who actually knows about that scene.

Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 04:23 (sixteen years ago) link

NB Kenny Loggins has become an author of Christian prayer books on the covers of which he appears in super-soft focus with anime eyes

the following album cover was surely a prelude to the foregoing:

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 04:28 (sixteen years ago) link

MF Doom sampled the keyboard solo in Quincy Jones / Michael McDonald track "One Hundred Ways", therefore, he is ok in my book for this song alone

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 04:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't believe P. Diddy never sampled "I Keep Forgettin'". That's right up his alley. Or maybe he did and I missed it!

Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 04:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Sorry, Broheems, I listen to more doo-wop than soft rock these days, hence the titular malaprop...

Nom De Plume (Nom De Plume), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 05:04 (sixteen years ago) link

P Diddy never sampled "I Keep Forgettin'", but Warren G did, surely?

robin carmody (robin carmody), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 05:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Ain't no thing, NDP!

Oh fuck -- of course, Robin! That's what I was thinking of. It was on the tip of my tongue. Damn, my memory is terrible these days..

Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 05:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Both are ok by me. McDonald: already defended with his Steely Dan efforts, particularly "Peg". And Loggins - "I'm Free" brought an adrenaline rush during "Footloose", not to mention the title cut.

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 06:40 (sixteen years ago) link

During a British television documentary on the making of Aja, Donald Fagen and Walter Becker play some of the rejected solos over the Rainey-Marotta groove

any idea where I could find this?

Will(iam) (will), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 06:46 (sixteen years ago) link

(from the AMG "Peg" link)

Will (will), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 06:58 (sixteen years ago) link

i would cover kenny loggins.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 08:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Michael McDonald has one of the funnest voices to immitate ever. I got a friend who does it spot-on.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 17:58 (sixteen years ago) link

KENNY LOGGINS: Kinda like "Danger Zone" and "I'm Alright", indifferent to "Footloose" and always despised that "sweet love turnin' on a heavenly light [or whatever the words are]" song. Best thing about "Your Mama Don't Dance" is that guttural "Outta the car, longhair!" interjection which the Beastie Boys sampled for "Paul's Boutique." Probably better than DAVE Loggins.
M.McDONALD: This marblemouth motherfucker is worthless and always has been. The most insufferable white-soul singer imaginable and the main reason I've never dared to buy a Doobie Brothers LP. Plus he worked with Christopher Cross and probably inspired Rick Astley. Reminds me of Wilford Brimley crossbred with Mushmouth, from Fat Albert & the Cosby Kids. I guess you could say that I'm not a huge fan.

Myonga Von Bontee, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link

ya mo be there

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link

The Yah Mos is named for that very tune.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 21:16 (sixteen years ago) link

*Yet another reference to McDonald & The Dan*

I love the the he and Fagan sing the chorus on both "Bad Sneakers" and "Time Out of Mind":it's like they're two satellites orbiting each other.

Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 21:29 (sixteen years ago) link

there's an amusing shoutout to kenny loggins in king magazine's interview with the rza this month

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 01:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I thought everyone like Michael McDonald

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I suspect Myonga Von Bontee would disagree.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:06 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...
ok, so which are peoples favourite michael mcdonald tracks?

gareth (gareth), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Michael McDonald took it into the streets.

earlnash, Friday, 2 April 2004 11:13 (sixteen years ago) link

I couldn't name a single one (of McDonald's tracks) although I like most of them I've ever heard and I ALWAYS HAVE. I liked AOR at the time (early '80s) and I liked it before punk as well. It seems that
heavy metal and AOR coming into the full bloom of being hip is because the post-punk orthodoxy has finally disintegrated. Thank god for that.

David (David), Friday, 2 April 2004 11:17 (sixteen years ago) link

And Christopher Cross was great as well. With him, obviously he could only bleat the melody (no emotin') but the songs were fantastic.

David (David), Friday, 2 April 2004 11:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Kenny Loggins got married in a nude ceremony.

(Or so I understand. I was not one of the guests.)

Footloose is one of the few films that I can honestly say had a profound transformative effect on my life, but its otherwise glorious theme now evokes hideous mental images of naked/ bearded wedding vows.

High Cholesterol (bastarda), Friday, 2 April 2004 15:50 (sixteen years ago) link

(I'm referring to its theme song, of course, rather than the underlying theme of the movie. You can all sleep a little easier now that I've made that key distinction.)

High Cholesterol (bastarda), Friday, 2 April 2004 16:05 (sixteen years ago) link

How is it possible that no one here has mentioned Loggins and McDonald-sina's other collab, "This Is It"? Along with "What A Food Believes," honestly? Genius MOR. I love them both.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 3 April 2004 06:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Also good by McDonald: "It Keeps You Runnin'." Baaabaaay.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 3 April 2004 09:28 (sixteen years ago) link

for years i thought the glorious 'What A Fool Believes' was Mcdonald solo but it's credited to thre Doobies. 'I Keep Forgetting We're Not In Love Anymore' obviously classic tho perhaps eclipsed by 'Regulate' - except when they were forced to add his chorus on that track the whole thing sucked monstrous balls - 2 classics cancelling each other out. 'On My Own' is a great ballady type thing. 'Yah Mo B There' I don't mind but I've never known what it's about. 'Sweet Freedom' the jury is out...

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 3 April 2004 11:04 (sixteen years ago) link

except when they were forced to add his chorus on that track

??? Tell me more! My copy of "Regulate" (on the Warren G album Regulate... G Funk Era) doesn't have McD's vox! I've always thought a remix of "Regulate" with "I Keep Forgettin'"'s chorus inserted somewhere would be fantastic.

McD: Total adult contemporary classic. Awesome voice.
Loggins: Total adult contemporary non-classic.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 4 April 2004 04:28 (sixteen years ago) link

"Heart To Heart" by Loggins is one the greatest things ever

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 4 April 2004 04:44 (sixteen years ago) link

anyone ever see the Michael McDonald Summer Camp thing on Late Night With Conan O'Brien?
it's fucking hee-larious

Dude (The Yellow Dart), Sunday, 4 April 2004 04:45 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...
guess who's a fan of michael mcdonald ... none other than mr. anal cunt himself, seth putnam:

from putnam's website

michael mcdonald - august 9th, uncasville, CT

i got there a lot later than i wanted to. the show was at the mohegan sun indian casino, and it was free. "first come, first served" as they say. when i got there, i was like 400th in line, and wondered if i'd even get inside or not. they sit 6 people at every table. since i was by myself, there was a table in the front row that had only 5 people in it, so, they sat me there. it was awesome, i was about 5 feet from michael mcdonald! i sat next to 2 groups of people. one guy (with some broad), claiming he was danny devito (but he wasn't short enough or funny enough to be him), and a group of 3 nice "housewife" types. they asked me before the show what my 3 "desert island" cd's would be, and being an asshole, i said, "how would you be able to play cd's on a desert island with no electricity?". they later, between themselves, asked each other who the 3 guys they could be stranded on a desert island would be (with no surprise, no husbands of theirs were mentioned), one of them said "mel gibson (generically understandable), billy joel (!!!!!), and michael mcdonald(!!!!!!!!!!). it made no sense to me at all. so, back to michael mcdonald, he was on tour promoting his new cd of motown covers. i didn't care what he was going to sing. his voice is so awesome, he could even sing hatebreed or limp bizkit songs, and i'd think he was awesome. he sounded unbelievable! he did some doobie brothers songs, some of his solo songs, and some motown ones (stuff from marvin GAYe, stevie wonder, etc). he sounded better than i expected. he has easily one of the most unique gay voices ever. his band was really good as well, they were all from other bands that i never heard of, but, supposedly, they're well known musicains. by the end of the set, he did "taking it to the streets", and a whole bunch of civilized middle aged people rushed the stage. he totally fucking kicked ass all night. i highly recommend seeing him.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 27 May 2004 04:49 (sixteen years ago) link

That is a picture of Kenny Loggins' backyard. No joke. An acquaintance's girlfriend is Kenny Loggins' live-in nanny and she took the pic.

LC, Thursday, 27 May 2004 04:57 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...
This is awesome. I want more pix of Loggins' house!

Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Monday, 3 July 2006 09:18 (fourteen years ago) link

three years pass...

At one point in the song's evolution, its melody was underway, but the lyrics were incomplete. Loggins moved it forward after a visit to his ailing father, who had undergone a series of surgeries for vascular problems stemming from small strokes and was discouraged at the prospect of another. His perspective on the lyrics then changed: "'I've got it,' I announced to Michael, it's not a love song. It's a life song."[1]

Damn right, Ken.

Cunga, Thursday, 1 October 2009 00:55 (eleven years ago) link

as a child I almost drowned in kenny loggins' swimming pool. had to go to the hospital and everything. I don't think it was the backyard in that photo though, I think he moved.

his music sucks and he is indefensible.

michael mcdonald is great and needs no defense.

iatee, Thursday, 1 October 2009 01:06 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

oh man. this is on some total el debarge shit.

chain the color of am0n (The Reverend), Friday, 6 July 2012 06:39 (eight years ago) link

my boy who is KL's second cousin just put me up on that

chain the color of am0n (The Reverend), Friday, 6 July 2012 06:39 (eight years ago) link


some dude, Friday, 6 July 2012 12:24 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

George Michael's voice sounds a lot like Loggin's on 'This Is It'

calstars, Monday, 6 January 2014 02:51 (six years ago) link

i won't defend his lame-o songs and his awful main band, but michael mcdonald was awesome fronting grizzly bear.

he should be made the permanent lead-singer for this band.

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 6 January 2014 02:55 (six years ago) link

therer've been times in my life, i've been wondering why

Ƹ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ (brimstead), Monday, 6 January 2014 03:05 (six years ago) link

michael mcdonald is golden you indie feebs

the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Monday, 6 January 2014 09:44 (six years ago) link

The track MM did with Holy Ghost was a str8 up banger

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Monday, 6 January 2014 11:24 (six years ago) link

^^^ class!

subaltern 8 (Michael B), Monday, 6 January 2014 11:31 (six years ago) link

also he manages to make grizzly bear listenable. no mean feat.

subaltern 8 (Michael B), Monday, 6 January 2014 11:32 (six years ago) link

michael mcdonald is golden you indie feebs

truth bomb for the ages

Emilia Fabbo (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 January 2014 11:34 (six years ago) link

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calstars, Monday, 6 January 2014 16:28 (six years ago) link

six years pass...

Folks were really bashing the dude who wrote “Whenever I Call You Friend”!? Easily one of the best pop songs of all time...

afriendlypioneer, Saturday, 17 October 2020 12:23 (one week ago) link

Thundercat must have been reading this thread with great interest whilst recording the Drunk album.

henry s, Saturday, 17 October 2020 12:46 (one week ago) link

i think the chorus on 'friend' is a little uncomfortable - it's hurried - they're just trying to pack in a couple too many syllables on those lines. Also the Stevie really belting it on 'REASON TO CARRRY OOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNN" is not my favorite Stevie

calstars, Saturday, 17 October 2020 13:00 (one week ago) link

The crazy atmospheric intro and bassline sent it over the top for me.

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 19 October 2020 14:58 (one week ago) link

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