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JesusMaryChain, Monday, 2 February 2004 23:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Uh...... are they "classics" or "duds".....I thought the damn posting mechanism would clarify for me. Convenience, please.

JesusMaryChain, Monday, 2 February 2004 23:08 (fifteen years ago) link

They're all classics.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 February 2004 23:09 (fifteen years ago) link

What he said.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 February 2004 23:10 (fifteen years ago) link

my opinion on this "musical" "act" is well documented

the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 2 February 2004 23:23 (fifteen years ago) link

You "adore" them!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 February 2004 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link

8

10

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Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 2 February 2004 23:37 (fifteen years ago) link

"They're all classics."
"What he said."
Ummm...what those guys said.

But my favorite is the Downward Spiral.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 2 February 2004 23:40 (fifteen years ago) link

They're all classics."
"What he said."
Ummm...what those guys said.
But my favorite is the Downward Spiral

What he said!

Seb, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm glad we're all in general agreement here.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:42 (fifteen years ago) link

(Though I actually think The Fragile might yet be the best album he's done, even though I didn't live inside it as much as Downward)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Sorry to break up the general agreement, but my blood wants to say hello to you!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:43 (fifteen years ago) link

They're all neat, and I'm waiting for the All The NIN hits That Sound Like Dirty INXS Songs comp, but I must complain of filler on all of these. Plus I don't like the uncatchy screamy stuff.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:44 (fifteen years ago) link

but my blood wants to say hello to you!

Ew, put that away.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Isn't that how the US reacted to The Fragile?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:51 (fifteen years ago) link

The true test of a nin fan is if you can stomach The Purest Feeling demos. (Lately, I really like the live "acoustic" version of 'the Big Come Down' floating around the net.)

(You mean aside from that whole debut at number 2 thing, right?)

TrentLuv (bnw), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:57 (fifteen years ago) link

that wasn't the US that put it at no. 2, that was the trench coat mafia. The US is what made it slide down the charts immediately after, which actually I thought was kind of unfair, cuz I thought that We Should Be Together song was fine proto-Linkin Parkage (at time I would have called it "middle school angstage" but same diff).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:59 (fifteen years ago) link

The Purest Feeling demos

MAAAAAAAAAYBE, maybe JUST ONCE, I'll GET what's COMING to MEEEEEEEEEE.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Anyone who can listen to "A Warm Place" and feel nothing, has no soul and should bugger the eff off. S'there.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:05 (fifteen years ago) link

That includes David Bowie feeling "I thought I wrote Crystal Japan," of course. ";-)" (Also: La Mer is nother great trent instrumental!!)

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Anyone who can listen to "A Warm Place" and feel nothing, has no soul and should bugger the eff off. S'there

well that includes me, so here we are.

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:12 (fifteen years ago) link

filler¿ tell me what nin songs you consider filler. please. anthony.
skip the fragile tho.

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:12 (fifteen years ago) link

I'd rather listen to "vletrmx21" to "A Warm Place," thanks.

Leee Majors (Leee), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Great bad, particularly "Pretty Hate Machine" and "Closer". "The Fragile" would possibly belong in that thread about turning an average album into a classic one by removing half the tracks...

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:19 (fifteen years ago) link

I can't, Dyson, its been ages since I've listened to 'em. But I didn't even like "March Of The Pigs" so don't mind me.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:21 (fifteen years ago) link

In Praise of.....the BROKEN e.p. by Nine Inch Nails

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Geir, you know that thumping sound that makes Closer so much the sexy? It's a beat! Rhythm is good!

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I think a special honorary mention should be given to Maxwell's cover of "Closer," which while overlong, does find him adding lines about how you and him should "do the freak-ay."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:42 (fifteen years ago) link

I just recently heard Maxwell's cover of Kate Bush's emotionally celestial "This Woman's Work," and he should be pistol whipped into blubbering submission and forced to drink a thermos of his own urine for that particular particular affront.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, particular!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:44 (fifteen years ago) link

dude, he totally calls her "the bomb" on his Unplugged EP. Respect was given and respect is due!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:46 (fifteen years ago) link

just his own urine, alex¿ you're getting soft.

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:49 (fifteen years ago) link

And for that alone, he should have his vomit-drenched ashes spread on unhallowed ground and then fertilized with the rancid dung of an incontinent warthog.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Um, yeah. The Maxwell cover is great.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:51 (fifteen years ago) link

I still love NIN. This is probably how I would rate them:

1. Perfect Drug single / Lost Highway soundtrack (probably in my top 5 songs ever)
2. Broken
3. Fixed
4. Pretty Hate Machine
5. The Downward Spiral

I do not rate The Fragile; it is okay, but I do not own it and would not ever like to hear it again. And Things Falling Apart should be DESTROYED DESTROYED DESTROYED! omg soooo bad.

Dan I., Tuesday, 3 February 2004 05:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh I forgot to put Further Down the Spiral! That should go after PHM, before TDS.

Dan I., Tuesday, 3 February 2004 05:18 (fifteen years ago) link

The two "remixes" on Further Down the Spiral are the only Aphex Twin other than Windowlicker that I can stand to hear anymore.

Dan I., Tuesday, 3 February 2004 05:20 (fifteen years ago) link

See how NIN makes me indulge my rockism!?!?

Dan I., Tuesday, 3 February 2004 05:20 (fifteen years ago) link

You forgot to mention Still -- to which I listen right now. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 05:47 (fifteen years ago) link

I've never owned the Fragile, but someone's copy is usually around. Whenever I put it on, I usually think 'meh' at first, then there are always some fantastic tracks that I've completely forgotten about.

I agree that the Perfect Drug is definitely one of their best tunes (damn, Trent would have become a jungle producer...).

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 05:53 (fifteen years ago) link

I've never heard Still Ned, is it good?

Dan I., Tuesday, 3 February 2004 06:11 (fifteen years ago) link

I like it -- it's theoretically the 'low key' album, not quite NIN unplugged obv, but the reworkings of older songs aim at generally more stripped down/slower takes. Personally I think the version of "And All That Could Have Been" here is the keeper.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 06:20 (fifteen years ago) link

I've never been able to get past Reznor, whose voice and lyrics I find just plain awful (actually this is my problem with basically 90% of what got released on Wax Trax/TVT.) I imagine that instrumental versions of some of this stuff could be okay, but frankly I can't imagine ever really caring enough to find out if such a thing existed.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 06:33 (fifteen years ago) link

The Purest Feeling demos

D'oh! I paid way too much for that disc back in high school & upon listening even as a massive fan was like.. WTF???? However I did make a profit reselling it several years later to some random NIN obsessive in Japan.

I think "March of the Pigs" is my favorite moment of theirs. The video's pretty funny..

daria g (daria g), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 07:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Wow, that Maxwell cover is horrible. I had such high hopes too. :( A Trent produced Maxwell version would be sweet as hell I bet.

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 07:37 (fifteen years ago) link

I never got into the Fragile. I sort've gave up after "the Perfect Drug" (which is, admittedly, fantastic...especially the drum break.)

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 14:39 (fifteen years ago) link

_The Fragile_ is 100% worth getting if only for "We're In This Together Now", "Into The Void", and "The Wretched".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 17:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Wow, that Maxwell cover is horrible. I had such high hopes too. :(

B-but what about the double time, 4 on the floor gospel bit?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 17:17 (fifteen years ago) link

The Fragile tour was pretty good. When I saw him in NYC, Manson came out onstage to sing "Starfuckers, Inc." and the crowd went wild, which was kind of funny. I own a lot of his stuff (all three full-length albums, the live thing, and Broken) but I never ever feel the urge to actually listen to any of it.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 17:43 (fifteen years ago) link

When I saw him in NYC, Manson came out onstage to sing "Starfuckers, Inc." and the crowd went wild, which
was kind of funny.

That performance is a hidden track on the DVD. Good stuff.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 17:44 (fifteen years ago) link

I listen to The Fragile more than anything else by them tbh.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 November 2019 22:24 (two weeks ago) link

Also, this is far more abrasive and confrontational than Ministry.

I beg to differ. Once Ministry went full on industrial (post Twitch), there's nothing they did that was as MTV/radio-friendly as "Closer".
I can't think of any other industrial artists who went mainstream after "Closer" but could be forgetting. Filter? They toned down the industrial aspects for their 1 hit single. Who else was there?

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 25 November 2019 22:30 (two weeks ago) link

Once Ministry went full on industrial (post Twitch), there's nothing they did that was as MTV/radio-friendly as "Closer".

Agree with this. Ministry's evolution was pretty fascinating: guitar-driven "industrial" halfway between Big Black and Slayer thrash (Land of Rape and Honey), a hodgepodge of sample-collage metal and postpunk dub-noise (The Mind...), full-on metal with samples (Psalm 69), grinding post-Unsane/Helmet noise rock (Filth Pig)... I never listened to Filth Pig until a year or so ago and it's surprisingly good, but there's no way I'd have predicted it as the next step after Psalm 69.

NIN, meanwhile, were occasionally noisy but always tended more toward minor-key melody; Reznor's a morose piano balladeer at heart, he just gets shouty sometimes.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 25 November 2019 22:42 (two weeks ago) link

NIN just released a "definitive" vinyl edition of With Teeth, btw. I can't really tell the difference (it was never one of my favorite NIN albums - it sounded like he'd been listening to a lot of DFA stuff), except there's one additional track that was apparently a B-side to one of the singles.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 25 November 2019 22:43 (two weeks ago) link

Comparing NiN to Ministry - in terms of who was more abrasive - is moot; or at least, I don't think that was what Josh' revive was about. NiN found their way into the mainstream (a miracle in itself) - surfing on the Grunge and post-industrial waves; became MTV stars, sold millions of records and got played on the radio world wide with a sound so abrasive and aggressive there was hardly a precedent.

I still think TDS is very powerful; it has lost some of it's impact, of course, but not nearly as much as a twenty years older me would expect it to have lost. And this is foolishly preaching from my generation to ThE kIdS of today, but I'd wager this record would, and does, still make an impact on young ears today.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 25 November 2019 22:49 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, I didn't want to get into a comparison between the bands. I just meant that imo even if (like me) you were familiar with Ministry and Wax Trax and Pretty Hate Machine and lots of stuff short of maybe Einstürzende Neubauten, TDS is one super-abrasive, confrontational album, seemingly (at least on paper) one of the least commercial albums made. Even "Closer" is, for obvious reasons, super not commercial! The fact that the album (and songs) were hits and made superstars of NIN is really something. Usually the big major label commercial breakthrough goes the other direction.

Bands I'd say were influenced by NIN included Filter, Stabbing Westward, Marilyn Manson (obv) ... but more overtly I think a lot of bands were clearly *influenced* by NIN even if they didn't sound like them, and that included such veterans and Reznor influences themselves as Bowie and Depeche Mode.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 November 2019 23:30 (two weeks ago) link

His recent instrumental release of The Fragile is pretty incredible. Also the remastered versions of TDS and The Fragile are pretty top notch, as is the aforementioned Deviations 1.

octobeard, Monday, 25 November 2019 23:48 (two weeks ago) link

Very sad at the loss of production depth to NIN tracks after The Fragile. Those two 90's albums had just next level layering and atmosphere he'd never quite touch again. Must've been the drugs?

octobeard, Monday, 25 November 2019 23:49 (two weeks ago) link

drugs and/,budget.

I had no idea there was an instrumental version of the fragile available!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 November 2019 23:49 (two weeks ago) link

Bands I'd say were influenced by NIN included Filter, Stabbing Westward, Marilyn Manson (obv) ... but more overtly I think a lot of bands were clearly *influenced* by NIN even if they didn't sound like them, and that included such veterans and Reznor influences themselves as Bowie and Depeche Mode.

Agree with this 100%, and I feel like a lot of artists (especially Bowie) were standing there thinking, "Holy shit, you can get away with sounding like *that* and still have hit songs?"

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 25 November 2019 23:59 (two weeks ago) link

Just looked to confirm, but after The Fragile Trent Reznor starts to producing everything himself. Well, him, with Atticus Ross and Alan Mulder. It becomes much more in house.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 01:03 (two weeks ago) link

xpost and of course the 1995 tour etc. And it's pretty clear that "Rush" by Depeche on SOFAD was their response song as such to NIN.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 05:42 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks to this revive I listened to NIN for the first time in 20+ years. God I love Broken.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:52 (two weeks ago) link

I've been getting into My Chemical Romance for the past month or so and have had NIN on the brain because Planetary (Go!) sounds like a sped-up version of the chord progression from Something I Can Never Have.

☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 15:11 (two weeks ago) link

I had a housemate that had some connections to MTV in London at the time and I recall her coming home one day with some promo VHS with the uncut (lol) version of the Happiness in Slavery video, it was such a big deal but ugh...

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 17:48 (two weeks ago) link

i listened to with teeth today. wildly underrated imo

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 23:32 (two weeks ago) link

the dfa flirtations are limited to when “all the love in the world” transforms into a stomping house track (which is maybe the most amazing thing that happens in any nin song) and “only”’s groove, which is a cowbell away from the juan maclean. the rest of the record feels like the most band-focused nin record (outside of the slip which i haven’t heard since it came out so i might be remembering it wrong). grohl’s drumming sounds amazing throughout

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 23:38 (two weeks ago) link

Does he play on the whole thing?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 01:03 (two weeks ago) link

Regardless, I don't remember when, but I recall Reznor going to Albini just to track big drums. That's ultimately probably the best use of Albini's time.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 01:05 (two weeks ago) link

Does he play on the whole thing?

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, November 26, 2019 6:03 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

little less than half of it

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 02:43 (two weeks ago) link

“all the love in the world” transforms into a stomping house track (which is maybe the most amazing thing that happens in any nin song)

YES. I never really got into the rest of WT though.

chap, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:44 (two weeks ago) link

i listened to with teeth today. wildly underrated imo

in-fucking-deed. But all their noughties and post output has been adding up to a very compelling body of work.

cpl593H, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:01 (two weeks ago) link

Bands I'd say were influenced by NIN included Filter, Stabbing Westward, Marilyn Manson (obv) ... but more overtly I think a lot of bands were clearly *influenced* by NIN even if they didn't sound like them, and that included such veterans and Reznor influences themselves as Bowie and Depeche Mode

This is true, and I'd also add the Dos Dedos PWEI to that list. I've always loved how all these bands/artists had already influenced Reznor in the first place. So there was a degree of feedback between them.

cpl593H, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:10 (two weeks ago) link

One of my favorite things about Reznor is how he literally listed his influences in the "Pretty Hate Machine" sleeve.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:22 (two weeks ago) link

To be honest, I don't think Reznor has ever really released a dud. If anything, his body of work has been very consistent, very good overall but perhaps a bit too samey.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:31 (two weeks ago) link

Ghosts was pretty boring.

chap, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:33 (two weeks ago) link

I've said this before but I strongly prefer 21st century NIN over 20th century NIN. I don't love all of it (I'm lukewarm on With Teeth and actively dislike Year Zero) but The Slip and Hesitation Marks are great albums, and the three recent EPs are all great and show him really stretching in (somewhat) surprising ways. He's still a terrible try-hard as a lyricist - you can predict his rhymes with 95% accuracy - but the music itself keeps getting better IMO.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:35 (two weeks ago) link

I never heard the side project with his wife.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 15:24 (two weeks ago) link

it's really good, you should! i like it more than the slip or with teeth, certainly.

akm, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 15:27 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, those records are pretty good. A little weirder/more abstract than NIN, less focus on big singalong choruses and more strange distorted noises.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 15:28 (two weeks ago) link

bad witch is such an awesome little record

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 17:03 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, it's not a rehash of anything he's ever done, either. I hope he continues in that direction.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 21:19 (two weeks ago) link

i listened to not the actual events, add violence, and bad witch in order tonight, and wow, that might be reznor’s best work

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 November 2019 05:26 (one week ago) link

jesus christ hesitation marks is really fuckin good

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 2 December 2019 23:08 (one week ago) link

im working on a very funky remix of 'all the love in the world' rn

davey, Monday, 2 December 2019 23:14 (one week ago) link

hell yeah

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 2 December 2019 23:18 (one week ago) link

i liked hesitation marks at the time but i don't think i realized the second half of it is all back-to-back amazing songs? "various methods of escape" and "i would for you" especially

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 2 December 2019 23:21 (one week ago) link

i've even seen "find a way" *twice* in concert and i'm kicking my own ass for not realizing how BEAUTIFUL it is

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 2 December 2019 23:43 (one week ago) link

Satellite is my jam on that one

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 07:40 (one week ago) link

Yeah Satellite is the highlight.

chap, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 10:52 (one week ago) link

Ghosts was pretty boring.

― chap, Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:33 AM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink

i disagree! it's not what i wanted from a nin instrumental record (that's still still) but if you treat it as a series of briefly gorgeous sketches spliced with even briefer instances of more industrial/perverse stuff and also listen to it while partially-distracted at work it really comes into its own imo

challopsy nin ranking ahoy including remix albums, i like all of them though, even things falling apart:

fixed
not the actual events / add violence / bad witch
pretty hate machine
hesitation marks
further down the spiral
the fragile / still
with teeth
the downward spiral
closer to god
ghosts i-iv / the slip
year zero
things falling apart

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 17:59 (one week ago) link

lmao i forgot broken. put it above year zero, it's a great record but i prefer listening to fixed by a lot (and generally prefer listening to a mentally healthier trent reznor than the guy that appears on broken)

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 18:01 (one week ago) link

what of Y34RZ3R0R3M1X3D?!

Simon H., Tuesday, 3 December 2019 18:02 (one week ago) link

oh whoops, some of the versions on that i like better than their year zero counterparts (ladytron) but it would also be hanging out at the bottom of the list

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 18:03 (one week ago) link

The Fennesz remix of In This Twilight is all time and I wish they'd collaborate on an album.

octobeard, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 04:01 (one week ago) link

Should've ranked releases using their Halo numbers to make sure nothing's missed. I like the Soft Cell cover on Halo 9.

Vernon Locke, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 11:35 (one week ago) link

The “Get Down, Make Love” cover on the Sin single and attached to the re-release of Pretty Hate Machine fucking rips.

circa1916, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 13:18 (one week ago) link

I like the Soft Cell cover on Halo 9.

― Vernon Locke, Wednesday, December 4, 2019 4:35 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

on the strength of "memorabilia" and "metal" trent should've put out a covers record already

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 18:56 (one week ago) link

You could almost make your own, adding Get Down Make Love, Physical, Lost Souls, Crystal Japan, the stuff he did with Peter Murphy and TV on the Radio...

Vernon Locke, Friday, 6 December 2019 08:35 (five days ago) link

https://soundcloud.com/808mixtapes/all-the-love-in-the-world-daveys-remix/s-NQTty
disco trent

davey, Monday, 9 December 2019 11:26 (two days ago) link


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