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JesusMaryChain, Monday, 2 February 2004 23:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Uh...... are they "classics" or "duds".....I thought the damn posting mechanism would clarify for me. Convenience, please.

JesusMaryChain, Monday, 2 February 2004 23:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

They're all classics.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 February 2004 23:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

What he said.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 February 2004 23:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

my opinion on this "musical" "act" is well documented

the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 2 February 2004 23:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You "adore" them!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 February 2004 23:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

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Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 2 February 2004 23:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"They're all classics."
"What he said."
Ummm...what those guys said.

But my favorite is the Downward Spiral.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 2 February 2004 23:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

They're all classics."
"What he said."
Ummm...what those guys said.
But my favorite is the Downward Spiral

What he said!

Seb, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm glad we're all in general agreement here.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(Though I actually think The Fragile might yet be the best album he's done, even though I didn't live inside it as much as Downward)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry to break up the general agreement, but my blood wants to say hello to you!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

They're all neat, and I'm waiting for the All The NIN hits That Sound Like Dirty INXS Songs comp, but I must complain of filler on all of these. Plus I don't like the uncatchy screamy stuff.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

but my blood wants to say hello to you!

Ew, put that away.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Isn't that how the US reacted to The Fragile?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The true test of a nin fan is if you can stomach The Purest Feeling demos. (Lately, I really like the live "acoustic" version of 'the Big Come Down' floating around the net.)

(You mean aside from that whole debut at number 2 thing, right?)

TrentLuv (bnw), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

that wasn't the US that put it at no. 2, that was the trench coat mafia. The US is what made it slide down the charts immediately after, which actually I thought was kind of unfair, cuz I thought that We Should Be Together song was fine proto-Linkin Parkage (at time I would have called it "middle school angstage" but same diff).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Purest Feeling demos

MAAAAAAAAAYBE, maybe JUST ONCE, I'll GET what's COMING to MEEEEEEEEEE.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Anyone who can listen to "A Warm Place" and feel nothing, has no soul and should bugger the eff off. S'there.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

That includes David Bowie feeling "I thought I wrote Crystal Japan," of course. ";-)" (Also: La Mer is nother great trent instrumental!!)

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Anyone who can listen to "A Warm Place" and feel nothing, has no soul and should bugger the eff off. S'there

well that includes me, so here we are.

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

filler¿ tell me what nin songs you consider filler. please. anthony.
skip the fragile tho.

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'd rather listen to "vletrmx21" to "A Warm Place," thanks.

Leee Majors (Leee), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Great bad, particularly "Pretty Hate Machine" and "Closer". "The Fragile" would possibly belong in that thread about turning an average album into a classic one by removing half the tracks...

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I can't, Dyson, its been ages since I've listened to 'em. But I didn't even like "March Of The Pigs" so don't mind me.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

In Praise of.....the BROKEN e.p. by Nine Inch Nails

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Geir, you know that thumping sound that makes Closer so much the sexy? It's a beat! Rhythm is good!

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I think a special honorary mention should be given to Maxwell's cover of "Closer," which while overlong, does find him adding lines about how you and him should "do the freak-ay."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I just recently heard Maxwell's cover of Kate Bush's emotionally celestial "This Woman's Work," and he should be pistol whipped into blubbering submission and forced to drink a thermos of his own urine for that particular particular affront.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, particular!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

dude, he totally calls her "the bomb" on his Unplugged EP. Respect was given and respect is due!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

just his own urine, alex¿ you're getting soft.

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And for that alone, he should have his vomit-drenched ashes spread on unhallowed ground and then fertilized with the rancid dung of an incontinent warthog.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Um, yeah. The Maxwell cover is great.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 01:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I still love NIN. This is probably how I would rate them:

1. Perfect Drug single / Lost Highway soundtrack (probably in my top 5 songs ever)
2. Broken
3. Fixed
4. Pretty Hate Machine
5. The Downward Spiral

I do not rate The Fragile; it is okay, but I do not own it and would not ever like to hear it again. And Things Falling Apart should be DESTROYED DESTROYED DESTROYED! omg soooo bad.

Dan I., Tuesday, 3 February 2004 05:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh I forgot to put Further Down the Spiral! That should go after PHM, before TDS.

Dan I., Tuesday, 3 February 2004 05:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The two "remixes" on Further Down the Spiral are the only Aphex Twin other than Windowlicker that I can stand to hear anymore.

Dan I., Tuesday, 3 February 2004 05:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

See how NIN makes me indulge my rockism!?!?

Dan I., Tuesday, 3 February 2004 05:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You forgot to mention Still -- to which I listen right now. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 05:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've never owned the Fragile, but someone's copy is usually around. Whenever I put it on, I usually think 'meh' at first, then there are always some fantastic tracks that I've completely forgotten about.

I agree that the Perfect Drug is definitely one of their best tunes (damn, Trent would have become a jungle producer...).

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 05:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've never heard Still Ned, is it good?

Dan I., Tuesday, 3 February 2004 06:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I like it -- it's theoretically the 'low key' album, not quite NIN unplugged obv, but the reworkings of older songs aim at generally more stripped down/slower takes. Personally I think the version of "And All That Could Have Been" here is the keeper.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 06:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've never been able to get past Reznor, whose voice and lyrics I find just plain awful (actually this is my problem with basically 90% of what got released on Wax Trax/TVT.) I imagine that instrumental versions of some of this stuff could be okay, but frankly I can't imagine ever really caring enough to find out if such a thing existed.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 06:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Purest Feeling demos

D'oh! I paid way too much for that disc back in high school & upon listening even as a massive fan was like.. WTF???? However I did make a profit reselling it several years later to some random NIN obsessive in Japan.

I think "March of the Pigs" is my favorite moment of theirs. The video's pretty funny..

daria g (daria g), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 07:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Wow, that Maxwell cover is horrible. I had such high hopes too. :( A Trent produced Maxwell version would be sweet as hell I bet.

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 07:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I never got into the Fragile. I sort've gave up after "the Perfect Drug" (which is, admittedly, fantastic...especially the drum break.)

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 14:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

_The Fragile_ is 100% worth getting if only for "We're In This Together Now", "Into The Void", and "The Wretched".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 17:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Wow, that Maxwell cover is horrible. I had such high hopes too. :(

B-but what about the double time, 4 on the floor gospel bit?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 17:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Fragile tour was pretty good. When I saw him in NYC, Manson came out onstage to sing "Starfuckers, Inc." and the crowd went wild, which was kind of funny. I own a lot of his stuff (all three full-length albums, the live thing, and Broken) but I never ever feel the urge to actually listen to any of it.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 17:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

When I saw him in NYC, Manson came out onstage to sing "Starfuckers, Inc." and the crowd went wild, which
was kind of funny.

That performance is a hidden track on the DVD. Good stuff.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 17:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Definitely a treat. Two for two here!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 18:48 (four months ago) Permalink

yea I like this one too, well done

is there a new LP coming after this er what?

frogbs, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 19:18 (four months ago) Permalink

He's doing 3 EPs, of which this is the second.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 19:21 (four months ago) Permalink

Another good one! Very promising, though I'd much rather see these songs paired on a 12 track album instead of ep's of varying quality.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 21:18 (four months ago) Permalink

The final track on this ep is 11 mins long.

chap, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 09:29 (four months ago) Permalink

Just got my download of the EP.

1. Less Than - 3:30
2. The Lovers - 4:10
3. This Isn't the Place - 4:44
4. Not Anymore - 3:07
5. The Background World - 11:44

Listening now.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 23:28 (four months ago) Permalink

OK, first impressions: All the songs are good, if minimal. No sonic or compositional surprises; he's playing to his base. No really cringeworthy couplets, though, which is a big plus. The last song is 11:44, but seven minutes of that are a loop of the main riff gradually devolving into crunchy noise. Definitely worth it if you're a fan, but not likely to make anyone into a fan.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 23:54 (four months ago) Permalink

is there more good eurorack content?

mh, Thursday, 20 July 2017 00:01 (four months ago) Permalink

No really cringeworthy couplets

Silence/violence is pretty cringeworthy.

chap, Thursday, 20 July 2017 09:15 (four months ago) Permalink

overused != cringeworthy

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 20 July 2017 15:36 (four months ago) Permalink

There is a significant overlap.

chap, Thursday, 20 July 2017 16:26 (four months ago) Permalink

A long and very interesting interview.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:36 (three months ago) Permalink

He's got kind of a point about LP versus EP -- if I go to listen to a full album, I'm more likely to skip through to the songs I want to hear, but an EP, especially the way the NIN releases have been assembled, is pretty cohesive and I'll let the whole thing play out.

mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:53 (three months ago) Permalink

(there are about a hundred things I've wanted to comment on but that one was a quick thought and I don't want to bomb the thread before anyone else reads the interview!)

mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:53 (three months ago) Permalink

that was pretty good - but this interviewer is a bit confrontational, no?

frogbs, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:56 (three months ago) Permalink

lol @ this

Just this morning, me and my two older boys were sitting in the hotel restaurant. Their mom has played the new EP for them a couple times. They’re like, “My favorite song is ‘Less Than’.” That’s sweet, but then I’m thinking, Don’t I say ‘fuck’ in that one? Same thing when they were at sound check: What song don’t I say ‘fuck’ in?

frogbs, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:58 (three months ago) Permalink

it's condensed from a couple conversations, so I'd imagine asking some questions and seeing that Reznor's not really a defensive guy and could take prodding led to more interesting questions

mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:00 (three months ago) Permalink

The digression into dealing with the parents of your kids' schoolmates when everyone knows you as the dude who sang "I want to fuck you like an animal" was great.

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:17 (three months ago) Permalink

that was pretty good - but this interviewer is a bit confrontational, no?

Confrontational in this "hey, you wanna expand on that a little?"/"I don't really get where you're going with this" sense is vastly preferable to confrontational in the German-interviewer "Why is your new album so much worse than the one before?" sense.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:24 (three months ago) Permalink

fucking german interviewers, man

mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:26 (three months ago) Permalink

Thought this was an even better interview.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:37 (three months ago) Permalink

Correction: not 'even better', but good yet quite different etc

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:38 (three months ago) Permalink

well yeah - the questions were definitely way more interesting than your standard NIN interview fare. though I did get the sense he was trying to bait him into saying something headline-worthy.

frogbs, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 18:00 (three months ago) Permalink

ehh it definitely has the feeling of a narrative that explains who the interview is with but the pull quotes and summary are less interesting than Reznor's actual words in the Vulture interview. it also relies on the myths propagated by writers that the former one debunks

mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 18:07 (three months ago) Permalink

that was re: LBI's link

mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 18:08 (three months ago) Permalink

i closed the tab when the piece described la croix as "fancy seltzer"

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 18:15 (three months ago) Permalink

lol

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 18:17 (three months ago) Permalink

otmfm

mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 18:18 (three months ago) Permalink

The phenomenon of La Croix suddenly being a nationwide thing sill baffles and amazes me.

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 18:20 (three months ago) Permalink

Mh, you are right.

'The Chili Peppers slot' is one for the ages though :D

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 18:27 (three months ago) Permalink

it usurped clearly canadian's cultural niche in the 90s revival movement

mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 18:27 (three months ago) Permalink

Yeah, that was a good quote

I have actually been at festivals where the last act was indeed that band, and I have the impression that every festival in california for years was that way

mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 18:28 (three months ago) Permalink

also we did leave to get on the road lol

mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 18:28 (three months ago) Permalink

the footnotes in this Vulture interview are bananas. what percentage of people reading a long-ass interview with Trent Reznor need an explanation of who Pink Floyd is?

evol j, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 18:40 (three months ago) Permalink

This is very scattered on my part but the talk in the interview re money at various points prompted some quick notes; click through for it all.

So, amid all the more obviously important idiocies of the day, something interesting I've noticed re that Reznor/Marchese interview...

— Ned Raggett (@NedRaggett) July 26, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 19:15 (three months ago) Permalink

It's definitely interesting. He brought up private torrent sites again, which he seems to have been a member of if you connect the dots between comments. I don't think he's even said it explicitly but the pay-to-stream model, with premium physical releases (vinyl with extra art and bonus junk) seems to be his preferred way of putting music in the market. But accessibility and artist control as opposed to label control is the running theme.

There was at least one thing, although I'm not remembering what it was -- maybe it was the full set of Coil NIN remixed material -- made it way to torrent sites and it was implied he dumped it himself.

Interestingly, his touring bandmates have definitely released via bandcamp and similar platforms, and purchase stuff there regularly.

mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:29 (three months ago) Permalink

found cortini's public profile when I was searching out of curiosity -- looks like someone is a kevin drumm subscriber :)
https://bandcamp.com/alessandrocortini

mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:31 (three months ago) Permalink

I think there's been at least one other more dismissive comment of Bandcamp he made a couple of years back, but I sure do wonder about him really not wanting to grant the idea that people can be directly paid for their work. Which may be an exaggeration but I almost think nearly all of this is him wanting a middleman. At the least, he was direct about not wanting to be his own marketer.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:35 (three months ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's pretty clear he's still feeling burned by the Saul Williams album numbers and how many people opted in to pay

mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:36 (three months ago) Permalink

I think the elephant in the room here is that the audience willing to associate their credit card info with the purchase of an album titled The Inevitable Rise and Liberation of NiggyTardust! is, by definition, self-limiting.

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:48 (three months ago) Permalink

BUT THE ART

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:51 (three months ago) Permalink

It's kinda weird, it does seem to be the moment of his life more than anything -- even more than The Fragile tours, as he talked about in the Marchese interview -- where he had to deal with the fact that just because he's popular doesn't mean he could snap his fingers and make something happen.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:52 (three months ago) Permalink

I'm just saying, I can imagine more than one NIN fan going "Oh Trent is involved in this Saul Williams album? Awesome, let me check it out... 'The Inevitable Rise and Liberation of WHAT NUH-UH NOPE SORRY DUDE"

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 20:58 (three months ago) Permalink

Retitle it A Journey To Liberation and see what happens to the numbers; I bet they'd go up

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:00 (three months ago) Permalink

they'd probably go up in 2017 just due to people being more used to paying for things online than they were a decade ago

I'd imagine a not-trivial number of people who downloaded it for free would probably have paid if they could've just stuck $5 into the CD drive

frogbs, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:43 (three months ago) Permalink

also Trent Reznor producing some unknown's rap album is exactly the sort of thing you'd think NiN fans would be curious about but not necessarily want to pay money for. he should try it with one of his own albums.

frogbs, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:49 (three months ago) Permalink

"Hi I'm Trent Reznor and here is my unknown rap album."

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:54 (three months ago) Permalink

his previous album was produced by rick rubin!

but yeah, not a household name

mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 22:05 (three months ago) Permalink

The phenomenon of La Croix suddenly being a nationwide thing sill baffles and amazes me.

Topo Chico or go home.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 July 2017 14:20 (three months ago) Permalink

home is where you keep your la croix stash

mh, Thursday, 27 July 2017 14:23 (three months ago) Permalink


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