Lansing-Dreiden-The Incomplete Triangle:Album Of The Year?

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okay, it's only Feb 2. I realize that. But I can't stop playing it. I love the songs and the sounds. I like how they remind me of stuff i like, like Golden Earring, and Spacemen 3, and Slowdive, and Alphaville, and lots of other stuff, but they don't sound so much like any of them that i get distracted by it.They are very clever. I need more stuff like this.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 2 February 2004 22:00 (sixteen years ago) link

"Glass Corridor" is amazing. If Interpol caught on, surely this has the potential to be huge too? They have a great new 4 song EP as well... that album has been out for some time in a self-released capacity.

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Monday, 2 February 2004 22:16 (sixteen years ago) link

This description from Scott intrigues me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 February 2004 22:22 (sixteen years ago) link

wow. good shit.

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 2 February 2004 23:12 (sixteen years ago) link

The copy i got is on Kemado Records. i don't know nothing about them. Yeah, i want the e.p. too. the mp3s from the e.p. on their site sound great.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 2 February 2004 23:42 (sixteen years ago) link

"i don't know nothing about them."

hmm, are you sure you aren't in the band?

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 2 February 2004 23:48 (sixteen years ago) link

me, heck no. i wish. well, that's not true. i don't want to be in a band. i performed with my brother's band in december at the knitting factory though. i threw records at people from the stage after defacing them properly with a magic marker. the records, not the people. i got a press thing that sez they are dudes who are an art/design collective from brooklyn who put out a newspaper called Death Notice. I'm gonna write a review of the record though, and send it to my editor at the communist newspaper i write for. i really dig it. hence the thread.

i don't know anything about Kemado. i googled them and it seems they may be linked to Palm Pictures somehow. i can't look at their website cuz it's too high tech for me.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Kemado seems to be putting out the less hyped NYC "post-punk" bands like Elefant and The Fever. Interesting that they got the Lansing Dreiden record, because it really is so good... I guess other labels would be afraid of being accused of trying to duplicate Interpol's success maybe? (I bring up Interpol because there are a few similarities -- singers' voice, complex and melodic basslines). Anyways, I'm glad to hear it's coming out because it's a really pretty album.

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:25 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, i like it a ton more than the interpol, but i can see why you would bring them up. the difference is the lansing-dreiden doesn't smack you in the head with their influences. they are there, but it doesn't take away from the music.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 00:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Scott OTM. L-D is great, btw.

dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link

The Eternal Lie soooooooooo could have been a Thin Lizzy song.

dean! (deangulberry), Thursday, 5 February 2004 21:54 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Now I'm digging on this album. I love the spaciousness.

Maria D., Tuesday, 23 March 2004 19:32 (sixteen years ago) link


If anyone wants to buy copies, ebay is currently good for getting them cheap

dean! (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 19:35 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

gazuga (gazuga), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:43 (sixteen years ago) link

im more into this album then i was before i like how the last songs all sound like new order

chaki_burger (chaki), Monday, 24 May 2004 06:17 (sixteen years ago) link

the vocals on "metal on a gun" sound a lot like mid-70s moody blues.

milaca, Monday, 24 May 2004 06:33 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
So, who were/are these people? I wasn't crazy about the last few songs or something, but this album is strangely awesome at numerous points.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 23:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Any band that can make a writer cite Golden Earring AND Slowdive AND Alphaville must have something going for them. Looks interesting - will add this to my weekend shopping list.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 28 July 2005 06:19 (fifteen years ago) link

It could have been really good without that awful guitar sound.

snowballing (snowballing), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh dear, maybe not then. What's wrong with the guitar sound?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:22 (fifteen years ago) link

It wants to make them look harder than they really are.

snowballing (snowballing), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:30 (fifteen years ago) link

i love this album!

huell howser (chaki), Thursday, 28 July 2005 08:38 (fifteen years ago) link

this should go on the "bad reviews that make you want to hear the record" thread:

it's a scam!!

jermaine (jnoble), Thursday, 28 July 2005 08:44 (fifteen years ago) link

What did you expect? It's Ott.

The A Sectioned Beam EP is also quite good, if you're looking for a taste before trying the album.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 28 July 2005 08:57 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, i'm not really surprised, just slightly amused that the "don't enjoy this, you're being FULED" thing still pops up now and again.

as for the lansing-dreiden-artband-spectacular, i listened to the "glass corridor" mp3 on their site, and it's rather nice.

jermaine (jnoble), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:13 (fifteen years ago) link

we talk about the ott review on this other thread:

Article Response: Lansing-Dreiden - 'The Incomplete Triangle'

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:52 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
New album coming in May! I actually responded to spam to make sure i get a promo which is something, remarkably, given how much spam i receive, i rarely ever do. in other words, I iz anticipating this album!

Hyperbolic and possibly untrue press-notes to follow:

"Lansing-Dreiden enters 2006 with The Dividing Island, an album that realizes the company's potential in new, transcendent ways. The Dividing Island is Lansing-Dreiden's second full-length album and it will be out May 9th. Its first full-length, The Incomplete Triangle, was self-released in 2003 and was hailed in the pages of Spin Magazine as "dreamy space rock... with a psychedelic metal twist." The Incomplete Triangle was followed by an EP, A Sectioned Beam, praised by Time Out New York as "an airtight example of textbook pop perfection." Both titles were reissued by Kemado Records in 2004.

With The Dividing Island, Lansing-Dreiden explores the theme of division. The titular island divides; the album's lyrics and music point at this process from various angles, illustrating the emergence of two sides, and a line in between. This scenario appears simple enough, but is deceptively so-in the world depicted by Lansing-Dreiden, division and duality are not necessarily states of distinct sides. Progression and regression intermingle, ascension and descension flip-flop. Against this complex landscape, Lansing-Dreiden builds a brilliant and perplexing album, one possessing a wealth of possible interpretations.

What is the dividing island? The album's lyrics paint a picture not of a specific place, but of a general, nebulous state of opposition; yet out of this abstract milieu, concrete meanings may also be derived. "Cement to Stone" and "A Line You Can Cross" -two songs whose lyrics tell of edges, angles, and horizon lines-both feature dueling vocals, lows and highs, suggesting accounts of the lines between men and women. "One For All" and "Dethroning The Optimyth" conjure images of war by way of lines like "Twin black wings descend on me/ Finish me," against others such as "Much before the sword's satisfied/ You can make the whole thing right."

Musically, the theme of division is set forth in the opening track, "Dividing Island," which consists of two completely contrasting sections, sharing only lyrical and melodic phrases. This song begins with lush, languid waves of psychedelia, breaking abruptly into an exuberant, exhilarating call-to-arms. If these two parts represent the two halves of a dividing whole -a dividing island-Lansing-Dreiden reunites the island, revealing the oneness of the parts by using them to build a cohesive, infectious song.

This pattern pervades The Dividing Island. Many of the album's songs weave disparate musical elements into intensely familiar yet uncategorizable wholes. The modern mixes with the archaic, the known with the unknown. On "One For All," a traditional pop/R&B song is layered with darker sounds, alien to that genre -ominous chords, ghostly harmonies, and a recurring drum sample evoking the sound of gunfire. "Dethroning The Optimyth" tempers a power-metal assault with angelic vocals. Elsewhere, jangly guitar hooks are soured by dissonant keyboard swells; electronic cadences rattle along beside acoustic drum breaks; vocals soar, warm and emotive yet mysteriously veiled. Culling irresistible sounds from rock, pop, R&B, soul, metal, and beyond, Lansing-Dreiden reconfigures the divided into unpredictable, utterly unique sums.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link

So in otherwards, the Boo Radleys? *hides*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

"Much before the sword's satisfied/ You can make the whole thing right."

This is obviously a hidden message to Kemado Records: Don't spend too much money on The Sword! Our album is really cool too!

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Does it make it sound like a Boo Radleys record? Were they R&B psychedelia? I can barely remember. I always get them mixed up with Teeage Fanclub.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, this bit:

Culling irresistible sounds from rock, pop, R&B, soul, metal, and beyond

...might as well have been a PR release point from them circa 1995.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link

The description makes it sound like it could be a complete mess, but these dudes are really UN-messy. So tidy and geometrical. So i'm not scared.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Ned, did you ever hear the last album?

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I did! It was enjoyable but I can't say I felt greatly moved beyond that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Yay, looking forward to this, too. Two in one day!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link

The album's lyrics paint a picture not of a specific place, but of a general, nebulous state of opposition; yet out of this abstract milieu, concrete meanings may also be derived.


"The Incomplete Triangle" was really good though, so I still want to hear the new one. More Boo Radleys, less "Movement"-era New Order sounds accurate.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link

the album name and "concept" are giving me flashbacks to 90's pink floyd.

bell labs (bell_labs), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

i really enjoyed the incomplete triangle. it had this chameleonic, zeligesque quality where a band sounds so much like other bands that it is original again. it's almost like they started where others ended and made something new. as if they took up golden earring, new order, gang of four, the beach boys etc. when they were on their apex and topped them. they are a little bit like a supernova that explodes in a million different directions. i don't know any other contemporary group like that. i am curious about the new one.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 3 March 2006 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Was supposed to come out next week. Anyone heard it?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:13 (fourteen years ago) link

someone was supposed to send me a copy, but they never did. i will buy it though like a true fan.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Coincidence! Didn't get response from label re. promo so sent band themselves an email today and signed it, "Your fan."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 04:48 (fourteen years ago) link

haha, the band sent me an e-mail and i told them that i couldn't wait to hear it and i got a copy today. they really liked the review i wrote of the first album. as well they should! i put more than my usual ten minutes into it. maybe even 20 or 30! and i wrote it for free! on the internet!

anyway, it's good! the first song is killer. as is the last song. i need to dig into it more. the production is great. lots of cool sounds dropping in and out of the mix. i think you'll like it, tim. i need to listen more though.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 03:47 (fourteen years ago) link


Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:18 (fourteen years ago) link


Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:18 (fourteen years ago) link


Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:18 (fourteen years ago) link


Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:18 (fourteen years ago) link


city of gyros (chaki), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Listening to The Dividing Island right now... Reminds me a LOT of Not Drowning, Waving.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 13:05 (fourteen years ago) link

entertainment weekly called the new album "yacht-rocky"

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 13:41 (fourteen years ago) link

new album is bummer to the max

kevin barking (arghargh), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Criminal but somehow fitting.

Have never heard this before but it sounds great so far.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 15 April 2016 04:37 (four years ago) link

Maybe a little too much like Lansing-Dreiden doing a Lansing-Dreiden imitation, though that description sounds like something appealing as well.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 15 April 2016 04:49 (four years ago) link

i never had the sectioned beam cd so when i got the vinyl i probably didn't know it was an added track. otherwise i would have told you.

scott seward, Friday, 15 April 2016 12:37 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

I worry about how many drugs Jorge Elbrecht is doing (but maybe that's all wrong).

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 2 July 2016 14:01 (four years ago) link

That dude used to be a manager at the Oyster Bar

calstars, Saturday, 2 July 2016 14:23 (four years ago) link

That Ott review of this record is still infuriating. I love this album.

yesca, Sunday, 3 July 2016 01:18 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

Jorge Elbrecht has a new album. It's very LD!

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 20:02 (two years ago) link


imago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 20:22 (two years ago) link

bumping cuz everyone should listen to this

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:08 (two years ago) link

ooh thanks for the tip

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:34 (two years ago) link

His trio of songs with Ariel pink a couple years ago are my favorite things of his

calstars, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 23:44 (two years ago) link

OK let's do this

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 10:43 (two years ago) link

Segue between first two tracks was so smooth I didn't notice it

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 10:43 (two years ago) link

Is this...prog?

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 10:57 (two years ago) link

i like this one from last year...

scott seward, Friday, 9 March 2018 14:10 (two years ago) link

this could almost be an L-D track:

scott seward, Friday, 9 March 2018 14:16 (two years ago) link

Those are bonus tracks on the Spotify version I think!

This album is quite something except for a lull 2/3 of the way through

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 14:19 (two years ago) link

yeah, i would totally buy this cd. if there is a cd to buy.

scott seward, Friday, 9 March 2018 14:21 (two years ago) link

some of the vocals can do that meandering thing that is less than memorable. but that's not a deal-breaker for me.

scott seward, Friday, 9 March 2018 14:22 (two years ago) link

vinyl is already sold out. oh well.

scott seward, Friday, 9 March 2018 14:25 (two years ago) link

i like the section 25 female vox on this:

scott seward, Friday, 9 March 2018 14:26 (two years ago) link

can't believe i started this thread 14 years ago.

scott seward, Friday, 9 March 2018 14:26 (two years ago) link

First two tracks, Guillotine and Rainbow Skies are my favourite so far

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 14:38 (two years ago) link

L-D always struck me as a really good way to plunder the 80s - by making it uncanny and intense. There's so much dull 80s plundering at the moment so it's nice Jorge has come back

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 14:39 (two years ago) link

none of the other 80s-apers had that kind of production that L-D had. it made their sound more mythical somehow. it was kinda fucked up sounding. half digital and half echo chamber.

scott seward, Friday, 9 March 2018 14:49 (two years ago) link

yeah exactly. so uncanny. this album adds to it by subtly changing the songs as they progress. really interesting

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 15:20 (two years ago) link

'mythical' is a really good way to put it

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 15:21 (two years ago) link

omg That Will Slowly Unwind is amazing, why isn't it on the album proper

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 15:34 (two years ago) link

Oh I've worked out why I don't like Words Never Fail To Fail! It's a dead-on Blue Nile impression! I just listened to it while walking through London in the rain and my heart stirred not a whit. You'll all love it though. As a bonus, the next track is a fairly decent impression of Love Song by The Cure. Album's amazing apart from that

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 17:39 (two years ago) link

I guess WNFTF has some nice XTC harmonies in amongst the sheer Paul Buchanan-ness of it all, at least

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 17:40 (two years ago) link

i sent him a FB friend request. i want to ask him about the possibility of a CD release. with a bonus disc. i'm not a big online listener. i wonder how many records he pressed? probably not a lot.

scott seward, Friday, 9 March 2018 17:44 (two years ago) link

i wonder if i would dig the Violens stuff more now. i'll bet i would. i just listened to this one and it reminded me of cass mccombs!

scott seward, Friday, 9 March 2018 17:46 (two years ago) link

I quite like WNFTF now ffs

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 19:46 (two years ago) link

finally listening now.

I've been feeling like there's something in vocal melodies and harmonies that I think Django Django do similarly, sort of Zombies-esque

dan selzer, Friday, 9 March 2018 19:50 (two years ago) link

He’s great with collaborators, less so when he tackles everything himself

calstars, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:03 (two years ago) link

Yes! I thought Zombies at one point too!

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:06 (two years ago) link

I think during Flesh To Ash

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:09 (two years ago) link

I can't get over the segue between the first two tracks on this

imago, Sunday, 11 March 2018 15:09 (two years ago) link

the Zombies one is Undiscerning Masses btw

imago, Sunday, 11 March 2018 16:25 (two years ago) link

my favorite l-d bit is still how the first track on the dividing island turns into a who song halfway through for no reason

call all destroyer, Sunday, 11 March 2018 22:58 (two years ago) link

Guitar heroics on “eternal lie” ftw

zalstarz (calstars), Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:27 (two years ago) link

Sent Elbrecht a note telling him how much I like the new album and asking about a repress. He replied that there’s no plan right now beyond the initial 100 copies. :/

by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 13:59 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

thanks to imago for leading me down the lansing-dreiden rabbithole

elbrecht lp repressed fyi

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Monday, 22 April 2019 02:14 (one year ago) link

haha sweet! hoped that namedrop would lead to someone checking them out. i just listened again to The Incomplete Triangle - what an album it is, just keeps getting better and better (both in terms of its tracklist and its enduring qualities)

imago, Monday, 22 April 2019 07:47 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Is this group more niche than I thought? I just got a copy of The Dividing Island vinyl reissue from six years ago #384/500. I can't fathom a pressing that limited not selling out before 2019.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:58 (one year ago) link

yeah they are quite obscure. criminally unknown

boobie, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 19:29 (one year ago) link

i saw jorge elbrecht as support for kurt vile in june in berlin. and it was terrible. new wavish bombast, the voice totally distorted and hardly understandable, just crap. actually it took me about an hour to find out that it was him. and i love the "incomplete triangle" but live it does not seemm to work at all.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 08:55 (one year ago) link

four months pass...
Down in flames sounds like a sectioned bean b side

calstars, Sunday, 12 January 2020 19:43 (eight months ago) link

I just picked up The Dividing Island on CD. I'm a fan of the Incomplete Triangle so I'm pleased to get this.

I'd never searched this band on ILM before. I must check the Jorge Elbrecht stuff mentioned above.

Duke, Saturday, 25 January 2020 20:14 (eight months ago) link

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