New Dave Douglas!

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I didn't even know it was coming out soon, but apparently the new Dave Douglas Quintet + BILL FRISELL is out today. I've been really looking forward to this, as The Infinite was pretty fantastic. That group manages to play with a lot of fire yet still make everything seem laid-back.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:34 (twenty years ago) link

Anyone heard it? Hopefully I'll be able to check it out tonight.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:34 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't know it was due out either. The material sounded v promising when I heard them live a couple of times last year. Interested to hear ppls views.

ArfArf, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:28 (twenty years ago) link

There's a review in today's New York Times.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:48 (twenty years ago) link

Is there a link for that, Phil?

Does that mean Uri Caine is playing fender rhodes on it again? Hope so, love that sound. I sometimes think that the smaller the ensemble, the better I like DD's recs - I'm not sure what Frisell will bring to the party, esp. if he's in wistful noodling-Cooderish-Americana mode (tho' if he wants to have a go at doing a Pete Cosey, in keeping w/ The Infinite's 70s Miles vibe, then that cld be v. sweet)

Douglas is pretty prolific - most 'major' jazz stars only manage an alb every cpl of years, these days - tho' I guess he doesn't do many sideman gigs these days (when was the last time the orig Masada played together?)

Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 19:50 (twenty years ago) link

I saw Masada in October last year, and they played the Zorn 50th thing at Tonic, I think.

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 19:52 (twenty years ago) link

all about jazz review...
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/review.php?id=11372

Personnel: Dave Douglas, trumpet; Chris Potter, tenor sax and bass clarinet; Uri Caine, electric piano; James Genus, acoustic and electric basses; Clarence Penn, drums; Bill Frisell, guitar.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 19:57 (twenty years ago) link

Doesn't it seem like DD, after the initial avalanche of release following winning all those polls & whatnot, hasn't put anything out for a long time though?

And yeah, it looks like Caine is on Rhodes, I love his Rhodes playing too.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

Dude! I just checked out his website and DD is playing at the Green Mill next month the night after my band. Maybe I'll stay in town and check it out!

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 19:59 (twenty years ago) link

I saw the "Freak Out" lineup in early May, and this lineup (which I think of as "The Infinity" lineup) a couple of times in the summer (minus Frisell, obv, but otherwise identical). Really great concerts, among the best I saw last year. I also saw Masada in July, also great, but no DD (although Marc Ribot was more than adequate compensation).

ArfArf, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 21:09 (twenty years ago) link

Jordan, 'Freak In' was only abt a year or so ago.

Oh, I hope this group make it over to London. I'm still sort've ambivalent abt Chris Potter (I def. like his bass clarinet playing) and wld like to see him live to maybe make up my mind.

ArfArf, was that the Electric Masada group? Or Masada w/ Zorn, Baron, Cohen and Ribot?? I know Kenny Wollasen has sometimes filled in for Baron, but JB seems so central to their acoustic sound, I can't imagine it working nearly as well w/out him

Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 21:13 (twenty years ago) link

Andrew the line-up I saw was:

John Zorn (sax); Marc Ribot (guitar); Jamie Saft (keyboards); Trevor Dunn (bass); Ben Perowsky (drums); Cyro Baptista (percussion

ArfArf, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 21:19 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, of course Andrew. I forget about that one because I never bought it.

I think Ben Perowsky usually fills in Joey Baron and has some electric Masada...he is fucking awesome and I think his style is closer than Kenny Wolleson's.

I think I know what you mean about Chris Potter, for me he never sounds as focused or as interesting as with the Dave Holland Quintet.

(x-post!)

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 21:21 (twenty years ago) link

Right, I saw the same line-up in London last year, only w/ Wollason on drums instead of Perowsky: Ribot was def. the star of the show.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 21:22 (twenty years ago) link

(why oh why hasn't this group been properly recorded, I mean it's Zorn the Recordaholic's own band!)

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 21:28 (twenty years ago) link

Why indeed, everyone I've spoken to who saw that band last year was blown away, that includes concerts in London, Europe and the US, it wasn't just a case of the band being on fire the night I saw them.

ArfArf, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

I'm supposed to get the new CD in the mail tomorrow, which I'm very excited about. I'm interviewing Mr. Douglas tomorrow afternoon. If any of you have any brilliant questions you'd like to feed me....

dylan (dylan), Thursday, 29 January 2004 05:35 (twenty years ago) link

i heard a bootleg of the electric masada '02/'03 NYE thing at Tonic, and was mostly super-underwhelmed. some ridiculous blowing aside, they sounded like the jam band that MMW's audience always wanted them to be. it's trevor dunn who wrecks it for me, really - 'electric' should not necessarily mean 'boring bass work'.

Chris Potter is hit or miss depending on the material; saw him with Bill Stewart (d) and Scott Colley (b) and they practically set Iridium on FIRE, saw him a month later with his own group snoozing their way through an Ornette tune. he's got plenty chops and knows how to use them, but this somehow doesn't keep him from playing badly on dodgy dates (those early Renee Rosnes things, say)

Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 29 January 2004 06:31 (twenty years ago) link

Good luck on the interview Dylan (will it be available online?), wish I had some questions for you. Ask him if he approaches recordings differently from shows in terms of his playing, and how he feels about doing live recordings of his bands (because I don't think he's done many, aside from the Tiny Bell Trio).

I listened to the first half of the new record last night before falling asleep (which wasn't the fault of the record, although the band's sound is very lush and soothing). It's amazing how both Uri Caine's and Frisell's comping is completely transparent until they want it to be, and listening to DD just makes me smile. He's SO in control.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 30 January 2004 15:16 (twenty years ago) link

One of my friends was telling me last night how he saw a bill with Masada and the Maria Schneider Big Band. They had Masada on the opening slot because, you know, they're the small group. Even though they're like the most intense quartet ever vs. the most chill big band ever. Apparently they absolutely blew the roof off, and the big band never had a chance.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 30 January 2004 15:28 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I saw two sets of the Quintet on Saturday in Chicago, it was pretty great. I had kind of fallen off listening to the new record for a bit because it's just a little too laid back and some of the solo structures a little shapeless for me right now. Live they hit a few more definite grooves, and I was glad that they weren't above burning up a blues or two. It also helps of course when everyone's sound is right up in your face, and Chris Potter and Clarence Penn were especially ridiculous. Cool guys too.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 February 2004 20:15 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
I just bought this a day or two back. What does everyone think now? I find it very enjoyable, not as exciting as Freak In, but still very good. Douglas' soloing really seems to carry things much of the time. I was really hoping to hear a bit more Frisell, like to hear more banks of ambient guitar wash with Fender Rhodes and trumpet on top on every track, but his parts are very nice-sounding and tastefully done. When he does shine a little more, like on track 6, it's a treat.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 4 April 2004 04:56 (twenty years ago) link

I've been listening obsessively over the last couple days and I just love it. I keep hearing more in it. I don't know how I could have not noticed how much Frisell actually does at first. His subtle genius I guess. I love how he often seems to be sort of independent of Douglas and Potter but it all comes together, like a really high-level polyphony or maybe a much softer spacier take on harmolodic music. The sounds are beautiful.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 04:21 (twenty years ago) link

This is a really nice album, one of my favorites by Douglas. I'm kicking myself for not seeing the Quintet when they played Boston, I heard they were fantastic.

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

Are they touring with Frisell?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 8 April 2004 04:45 (twenty years ago) link

Are they touring with Frisell?

Unfortunately not, but from what I've read, the Quintet is turning into a really tight working band for Douglas.

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:48 (twenty years ago) link

I loved the quintet live...it was much better than the record in some ways (like when they actually turned the heat up on this new tune or the blues they did), but I also was surprised to notice Frisell's absence. He's so transparent but so important, it's crazy.

I've got to admit that Strange Liberation didn't catch me at first, but I keep going back to it. I think it definitely has some flaws...a lot of the solos don't really hook me, and when they're vamping around with no chords I hate that no one will repeat ANYTHING. There's no shame in a vamp/groove/motif/hook, esp. in that context.

Some of the tunes are great though, esp. Seventeen, and I really do like all of the players. I can't listen to the ballad that he says is about 9/11 because the first four notes sound like Star Wars.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:31 (twenty years ago) link

Yes! That's so funny.

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Thursday, 8 April 2004 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

I know what you mean about Frisell being transparent - two of my favorite tracks on the album don't even include him, but it took two or three listens to notice. He's just very ... modest in how he plays with the band.

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Thursday, 8 April 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago) link

and when they're vamping around with no chords I hate that no one will repeat ANYTHING. There's no shame in a vamp/groove/motif/hook, esp. in that context.

I actually kind of like the really loose spaciness this gives. I think I like the soloing too. I think it's probably at least as good as Freak In (which was my #2 album of 2003) in a totally different way. My favourites are "Just Say This" and "Mountains From the Train", probably because they're the ones where Frisell is most prominent.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 9 April 2004 05:22 (twenty years ago) link

eleven years pass...

I am digging the Shigeto collaboration High Risk, it's got moody ambience and Herbie/Miles echoes - very nice.

xelab, Friday, 26 June 2015 15:16 (nine years ago) link

damn! this is some stellar work, it is sounding better every listen.

xelab, Saturday, 27 June 2015 14:01 (nine years ago) link

nine years pass...

"High Risk" and a bunch of other albums are now really cheap on his BandCamp page (DD has a BF sale each year). The quality of his output is consistently high.

EvR, Sunday, 24 November 2024 12:28 (two weeks ago) link


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