I know the Music round is my chance to score points on University Challenge, but for gods sake!!!

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Singing backing vocals on "Games without frontiers" is Tatu (Kate Bush)

and

"Someone's watching me" by Rockwell features Celine Dion? (M.Jackson)

errgh

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yes i saw it too. Did i misunderstand or did they fail to recognize the Beatles track? (rather than just Clapton playing on it)

pete s, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

They did think the guest guitarist on that George Harrison song might be Hendrix. It was Clapton. I imagine if they'd got another guess they'd have said Clapton, because they are the only two guitarists those contestants have ever heard of. I wonder when they actually get to 40, instead of pretending to be 40, they will pine for a life they never had.

Canada Briggs (Canada Briggs), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

No, I think they thought hendrix played on the beatles track there. But to be fair, it could have been...xpost...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Usually, on quizzes in general, if the contestant doesn't recognise the 'rockish' track, they usually guess The Who.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Paxman's a Who fan.

pete s, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've already mentioned this on my blog. But, yeah, Oxbridge students and popular culture rarely mix.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

err what dom?

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Taste my wrath Dom!

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Apart from the ones on this board, obviously.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

nicely weaselled out. for the authenticists it is indeed 1960 forever ...

robin carmody (robin carmody), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

In fairness, though, living opposite some current Oxbridge students (I've been living amongst these people for 20-odd years now), there ARE a lot of recidivist toff bastards out there who any amount of proper roughage and beats will not tolerable human beings make. They listen to hippy trance LATE ON A TUESDAY EVENING and then act all matey when you go to beat them about the head with a tire-iron. Not hot. Of course, back in 98-01, it was golden.

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I knew 200x less about popular culture when I was at Oxford than in the first 3 years after I left and I was one of the ones who actually bothered with it.

Popular culture at Oxbridge = "let's vote Paxman for Provost!"

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

fairynuff. but for me pop *has* to go beyond that. apply pre-pop cultural criteria to it and you're Mike Read by other means. this is the root of the Carmody-Southall-Passantino beef; I don't let archetypes and stereotypes rule my life, whereas they are bounded minds. they find someone like me who doesn't fit into any subcultural "tribes" confusing, because it overrules the assumptions of "who" likes "what" which rule their lives. they actually *want* a know-your-place society, because it's easier for them to emotionally cope with. easier for many of us, no doubt, but you have to cope with the unknowability of modern Britain and its people. there are those out there who get frustrated if they can't know anything based around somebody's voice and the first thing they know about their tastes, but i'm not here to pander to them.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ROBIN LISTEN UP - they don't find you confusing cos you don't fit any subcultural tribes, they find you confusing cos you're turning them into these bizarro world fantasy straw men! And patronising the hell out of them with it!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I knew 200x less about popular culture when I was at Oxford than in the first 3 years after I left and I was one of the ones who actually bothered with it.

See, Tico, it all sucked when you were there, It wasn't like that in the late 90s, no way, we rocked bells. < /ex-college disco DJ>

And now, three years after I left, I prolly know less abt pop culture, definitely abt hip-hop, which is what I liked then.

I agree with Robin loads here, btw, although I don't think I've tried to fit anyone on these boards into pre-existing stereotypes, mainly because I know very little about any of youse. Also, social classes aren't merely ideas, and they won't be changed by cultural revolution alone.

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

OK yes if "popular culture" = "Connected" by the Stereo MCs then I was right on top of it.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Well then!

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I know its wrong to hold up Oxbridge as the direct reason for everything that's wrong in Britain... but, eh. Remember in 2.4 Children when Bill used to go "You know whose fault this is? Bloody Thatcher...". Like that.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Look Robin! Reference to old British culture! Do I get a tick for that?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

wow ILX "splits due to musical differences".

pete s, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

hahahaha -- yeah, wtf y'all, why all the heat? let's keep this a nice, quiet beach community.

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Does Robin have a Honorary Doctorate in 20th Century British Sociology/ Cultural Studies & Political Science?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i am sooooo glad robin didn't include me in his latest diatribe coz i might have started beating my own head to a bloody pulp against my monitor...

now let me say this: nick and dom DO NOT want a know-your-place society. they are not out to oppress anyone, but i would wager that they do not want to not be talked down to by someone whose sole reference to the outside world appears to be radio 1. needless to say, this is not healthy.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

and they probably donm't want to see their names crop up on threads all over the shop without having said anything at all - nor do i, come to that.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

B-but the other (older? I was watching on bad reception) team got theirs right! The old dear was very pleased with herself/her team for knowing it was Blue who sang some song or another, and she got "Pink" too (and Paxo mispronounced Mya in the question). But the tATu answer was very funny

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 17:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I liked the way Paxo pronounced 'Aguilera'.

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 17:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Agwylera?

Agweelairier?

Ahgweelara?

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 17:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Mmm. BTW Magdalen Oxford win this series. You ain't seen me, right?

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 17:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Did anyone see the University Challenge where the all-girls Oxford college got asked to name the types of dance music being played?

They looked puzzled, embarassed and said techno to every one.

This was funny and far too much like that episode of The Young Ones.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 18:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Having lived in the States for a while and not watched it since the Bamber Gasgoine era I have to say I'm little dismayed that there's now a Music round on University Challenge.

LondonLee (LondonLee), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 19:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

There always has been. It's usually been classical music based though.

(time changes: In the program intro montage, J.Rotten and Mick Jagger feature..)

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 10:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh right! I though it was Ri*ch*rd As*cr*ft!

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 10:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Shame, it was nice to think there were some things that pop culture hadn't got it's grubby paws on.

LondonLee (LondonLee), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 13:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Thing is, there might be this sense of "oh if I get a pop music question right, I might appear less of an academic than I'd like to be..."

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 13:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Robin for fuck's sake please STOP PICKING ON ME! I hadn't even read this thread till a friend emailed it to me teling me I was mentioned! This is somewhere between a primary school playground insult and defamation of character - either way it's really NOT NICE. Bloody hell.

Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 21:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

People having interests other than music shockah!

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 21:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I am hopeless at the science/math-type questions on UC, and I do wonder if those questions are as piss-easy as the music questions, or the lit/film questions, high, low, whatever

Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 22:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Last night: music round, who is the lead guitarist:

"Whole lotta love" plays. eight blank faces. Suddenly one beeps:

"Um, Jeff Plant?"

(this is going to be a low scoring round)

Mark G, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 16:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

Haha, yeah - although I got the subsequent ones completely and embarassingly wrong. Loads of music rounds in last night's one - guess the indie record label was choice. Warp Records on Uni Challenge, who'd have thwanked it?

the next grozart, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 16:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

even weirder - the second one was Fierce Panda - wtf? i actually saw the panda logo and thought - "that can't be fierce panda, surely?" and lo...

jed_, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 17:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Um, Jeff Plant?"

How's the UC rules, is last name sufficient for a correct answer?

(Yesyes I know it would still be wrong, but it would be a less laughable answer)

anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 08:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

it was good when they had Derrick May's "Strings of Life" on it and were asked what genre it was associated with. Long pause followed by "....synth"

Sadly Paxman didn't shout exasperatedly "it was TECHNO, exactly what were you doing in the late 80s???"

Ronan, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 08:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

"No, no, no, no - it's Factory records you clot!"

the next grozart, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 10:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

JPax missed his Roy Walker opportunity there: "Say what you see.."

Mark G, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 10:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

"um, Panda up a tree?"

Mark G, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 10:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

So, they played Patti Smith's "Elegia" from Horses, and said "Who's That?"

York buzz in early and say "PJ Harvey". Lose five points, but yeah, I can see that's not an unreasonable wrong answer.

So, the swot team get the whole song excerpt, and one buzzes in and goes" um, Barbra Streisand?"

"BARBARA BLOODY STREISAND???" says some bloke in our house, oh wait that was me.

(at least they got the eventual bonus round more or less OK, although my kids got the same points between them for Blondie and the Ramones)

Mark G, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 10:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

That's Radio 2 programming policy for you - the only 1975 records they're allowed to play are Bo Rhap, Born To Run and I'm Not In Love.

What a broad smile! It is like a delta! (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 10:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

Paxman seemed amazed that they got the bonus questions right.

nate woolls, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 10:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

I was quite surprised myself, given their team captain's Streisand gaffe. "X-Offender" wasn't an easy one to throw at them, either. (The theme of the round being "acts who started out at CBGBs".) And then they got "Psycho Killer" within seconds, ditto "Blitzkrieg Bop", with what looked like simultaneous recognition from all four team members. That's the power of the canon for you, I guess...

xpost: The last time I tuned into Radio 2, Chris Evans was indeed playing Born To Run! (They're also allowed to play Make Me Smile, of course...)

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 11:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

Tonight's resident indie dude recognised Strokes, Arcade Fire and Yeah Yeah Yeahs but mistook Radiohead, of all people, for Jose Gonzalez. You could see him wracking his brains for the name of the Gonzalez album. Tsk.

The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 18 October 2010 22:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

That made me laugh a bit.

ailsa, Monday, 18 October 2010 22:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Haha, oh God, none of them recognised John Lennon.

ailsa, Monday, 25 October 2010 19:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Or Otis Redding

Number None, Monday, 25 October 2010 20:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Or Eva Cassidy (ok I can let them off that one).

ledge, Monday, 25 October 2010 21:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

I figured then most likely to have recognised Eva Cassidy given Lennon fail, tbh.

ailsa, Monday, 25 October 2010 21:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

Times change:

Recently, the music round featured "bands/acts that Jack White has featured prominently in"

and the one guy on the Uni team got them all right.

I guessed at all but the last "White Stripes" one, in hope.

Mark G, Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:56 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah the last few pop music rounds have been tough!

dog latin, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:03 (six years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

This weeks music round is a "Pazz and Jop" themed round.

Mark G, Monday, 10 August 2015 19:18 (two years ago) Permalink

I got none but the starter, the team guessed more obscure bands than the correct answers, and Jeremy clearly knew none of them.

I guess the days of "ummmm, The Who?" are well and truly over.

Mark G, Monday, 10 August 2015 19:21 (two years ago) Permalink

I somehow got TV on the Radio right even though I don't think I've ever heard them.

Hamsters of Misfortune (ultros ultros-ghali), Monday, 10 August 2015 19:28 (two years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

This week, music round was based on the momentous "Sex pistols 1st gig at the Lesser free trade hall" gig.

Specifically, the bands that had members that were there. As opposed to the 2nd etc.

(Mark E Smith wasn't at the first one, it has now been established)

Mark G, Monday, 11 July 2016 21:55 (one year ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

I know the Music round is my chance to score points on University Challenge, but for gods sake!!! even my gran knows that Cole Porter sounds bugger all like Bo Diddley!!

Mark G, Monday, 8 August 2016 19:02 (one year ago) Permalink

Well, I laffed. So did paxo..

Mark G, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 06:42 (one year ago) Permalink

Trying to think what the other team got that wrong with.

But god to think further on that, unless Cole Porter was a totally random name, what does that say about timeless vital music. Just wondering if Bo can just sound like old music to people. I guess it's 60 years old now but I'd just find it too electrifying to categorise like that. Not to disparage Porter of course.
I guess the Sex Pistols are grandad music by now too. Does dadrock gain a generation as it gets older?

Stevolende, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 07:40 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was laughing at that sequence.

Cole Porter/Woody Guthrie for Bo Diddley
Modest Mouse for The Cure
"don't know" for The Clash
Wham for George Michael (so close!)

jmm, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:06 (one year ago) Permalink

Not that anyone needs to know this stuff, but the kids looked so lost.

jmm, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:09 (one year ago) Permalink

Really do wonder if there was any thought behind the 2 suggestions for Bo Diddley beyond being names of old artists that the tema member had heard of.
Or odes it all blend into one great big continuum of old timey folky stuff without electronic beats.

Since most of the Cole porter I've heard has tended to be later interpretations wonder if there is much real similarity. An attempt to make popular music based on black rhythms and influences? But I bet the original still sounds pretty staid by today or even 50s/60s standards.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:18 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm guessing they were just naming old artists whose music they'd never actually heard (or never linked up with that name). And to be fair to Manchester, Paxman wouldn't let them go without taking a guess.

jmm, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 16:59 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm constantly amazed at how simple the popular music questions are and how rarely they get them. Like I don't understand how you can live your life knowing the most obscure aspect of fluid dynamics but not recognise a really famous top ten single.
I guess more and more it's basically 'they're young'

kinder, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 20:02 (one year ago) Permalink

Most 19 year-olds not hugely interested in 20-30 year-old pop music feels reasonable

Tom Watson in a fedora (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 20:07 (one year ago) Permalink

Also less and less likely to access music thru older curators like "classic radio" etc

Tom Watson in a fedora (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 20:08 (one year ago) Permalink

Also always been posh kids on UC who don't have much interest in pop music of any era

Tom Watson in a fedora (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 20:09 (one year ago) Permalink

infuriates me when they act all embarrassed for actually knowing a pop music question

Number None, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 20:10 (one year ago) Permalink

Well that's a different kind of douchiness but hardly limited to kids

Tom Watson in a fedora (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 20:12 (one year ago) Permalink

yes, but it's a common occurrence on the TV show University Challenge

Number None, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 20:14 (one year ago) Permalink

It's usually Paxman who starts it

Tom Watson in a fedora (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 20:16 (one year ago) Permalink

that's true

Number None, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 20:18 (one year ago) Permalink

It's sad/irritating when kids have those packaged opinions about things they're too young to have experienced as "live" cultural moments but if my boy's anything to go by I blame reading and watching too many internet Fantanos

Tom Watson in a fedora (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 20:21 (one year ago) Permalink

"received wisdom": not quite an oxymoron but something like that

Tom Watson in a fedora (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 20:23 (one year ago) Permalink

Posts, yes if its something like knowing the lineup of One Direction or some such, but genuine annoyance if its something they 'should' know, (see the 'Velvet Underground AND NICO' up thread)

Mark G, Thursday, 11 August 2016 07:15 (one year ago) Permalink

I think the relative importance of 1D or the VU is your opinion, not a historical truth, and to a 19-20 year-old that's an even more arbitrary distinction.

Tom Watson in a fedora (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 August 2016 07:53 (one year ago) Permalink

Sure, but then that's what this quiz is about: Knowing the year of accession of King Henry III vs the year Ringo joined the Beatles. In 1972 only one of these facts were deemed important.

Mark G, Thursday, 11 August 2016 08:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Something about pop music questions not being tied into canonicity - it's a different kind of question/knowledge, just as akin to current affairs or sociology as it is to catalogues of dates. By kinder's argument upthread I see no difference between the likelihood of knowing about the Beatles or Drake or fluid dynamics or etc

Tom Watson in a fedora (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 August 2016 09:04 (one year ago) Permalink

Or in shorter words, thinking one pop question should be more obvious than another is nothing but a product of age and upbringing.

Tom Watson in a fedora (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 August 2016 09:06 (one year ago) Permalink

The idea that out of 1D and VU, only one would be in a library.

(Not an actual library obv, one of those fusty old ones that politicians like to stand in front of to look important)

Mark G, Thursday, 11 August 2016 09:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Most 19 year-olds not hugely interested in 20-30 year-old pop music feels reasonable

Pretty sure some have been more contemporary though. I wasn't making the argument that one pop question should be more obvious than another, not at all, in fact that's what astonishes me is that as a rule they hardly ever get them right whether it's VU or Elton John.
Plus I disagree, I don't set out to listen to Katy Perry or w/ever but somehow it just gets absorbed by my brain somewhere while I'm doing other things, or some info on pop culture will be thrust in my face while I'm online or standing in a shop - this doesn't happen with physics facts.

I would love to see a list of past music questions.

kinder, Friday, 12 August 2016 21:18 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

http://play.bbc.co.uk/play/pen/g9bwm75d4q

Well, here's a BBC quiz that ties in with this quiz, so hey its Friday so as the great Hans Keller obce said, 'after all, why not?'

Mark G, Friday, 4 November 2016 08:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Nice, thanks. 8/10 on my first attempt. Not good enough :/

willem, Friday, 4 November 2016 08:37 (one year ago) Permalink

9/10

heaven parker (anagram), Friday, 4 November 2016 10:54 (one year ago) Permalink

8/10 which is a lot higher than I though since my answers were about 50/50 complete guesses or slightly educated guesses

ultros ultros-ghali, Friday, 4 November 2016 11:17 (one year ago) Permalink

Well, here's a BBC quiz that ties in with this thread, so hey its Friday so as the great Hans Keller once said, 'after all, why not?'

fixed. my typing is worse than my score on that test (hey, how could it not be?)

Mark G, Friday, 4 November 2016 11:59 (one year ago) Permalink

7/10

here we are now entertain us (snoball), Friday, 4 November 2016 14:25 (one year ago) Permalink

(I'll admit: I got them all)

Mark G, Friday, 4 November 2016 16:02 (one year ago) Permalink

8/10

(I should have got the Bowie one right. Manc bands? Who gives a flying one?)

Jeff W, Friday, 4 November 2016 16:34 (one year ago) Permalink

I remember that Bowie one on the show : It threw them too.

Mark G, Friday, 4 November 2016 16:43 (one year ago) Permalink

9. Was guessing on the Salieri one

Number None, Friday, 4 November 2016 17:26 (one year ago) Permalink

9. Unlike Hans, I didn't grow up with string quartets sucka

MaresNest, Friday, 4 November 2016 19:07 (one year ago) Permalink

9, but mostly guesses

niels, Friday, 4 November 2016 20:19 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Awwww..

I mean, Johnny Cash and June Carter as a wrong guess (actually Nick Cave and Kylie) is fair enough, but the discussion was nearly Kate Bush and Vic Reeves!

Mark G, Monday, 4 December 2017 20:20 (one week ago) Permalink


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