Oasis - Classic or Dud?

I got as far as the bus stop when I realised that I had two album 1's.

Went back got an exchange. There that got yer.

Oh well.

I just think they were in the right place at the right time.

Gold or beans? Definitely beans.

Also, in what sense, exactly, were they "indie"?? Certainly not in the label sense. And not in the music sense either, near as I can tell. I mean, they were a vaguely glammy guitar-pop band. Period - about as "indie" as the Black Crowes. And about as close to being the Beatles as the Crowes were to being the Stones, too. (So I could ask how they were "obnoxious," as well, but then again, I only listened to the music and never read the interviews, which might explain it.)

Steepest decline: Lauren Hill, Tricky, Prince or Stone Roses?

And "Wonderwall" really is one of their worst songs I've never understood why it was their "breakthrough hit" in the US - certainly it was the only thing I ever heard on the radio. "Don't Look Back in Anger" was soooo much better.

I've always noticed this prob. on ILM between the Brits and Americans...it's like America has this very defined idea of "indie" (usually a record label thing) and in England it's like....4 Guys....Guitar music....not heavy metal or mohawk-type straight up punk....It's Indie!

Then again, if it is strictly about record labels, then Depeche Mode and New Order were "indie" bands.

So are Third Eye Blind and Smashmouth indie too, then? (I forget if they had four guys, but they definitely fit the rest of your definition.)(I mean, it's taken me a while to understand the whole "indie is kind of music" rather than "indie is something on an indie label" line, but even the "kind of music" that people usually refer to as indie doesn't usually include plain old mainstream rock bands, right?) (Unless they're, I dunno, My Morning Jacket. Or the Drive By Truckers. Or the Kings of Leon. And so on. But that's NOW; back in the '90s indie kids HATED mainstream rock, I always thought.)

Well, sorta. The way it actually worked is that the band signed to Sony worldwide and *then* were licensed back to Creation.

LET'S SETTLE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL: Indie and all its subgenres (indie-rock, indie-dance, etc.) are NOT styles of music. They're a description of what commercial demographic you're marketing your records to, as well as if the companies that produce the records are owned by the five "majors" currently in existence. There's no such thing as indie in the musical sense, and that's why ILM has such a hard time describing indie: because it doesn't exist!

Yes you should. ;-) The first formal Sony/Creation deal on a labelwide level was late 1992, when Sony bought in for just under half of Creation.

Neither classic nor dud. They got some good suff and some real rubbish.

The last 'big' show I paid for was Stereolab in fall 2022 - $99 for two tickets including all fees. That's pretty much my limit across the board.

£83 standing for Blur last year

well yeah

no distance left to run

peak i've ever paid face value was the £140 for Kate Bush London... something like 8th row. So not far off Oasis standing face value (and this was 10 years back!)....so i can't be too judgemental about people paying £150 for oasis.... this article however i have no problem judging:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/sep/01/oasis-ticketmaster-in-demand-standing-tickets

(ah sorry realised thats already posted)

Nothing to be nostalgic about

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/article/2024/sep/02/normal-dont-call-me-normal-gail-porter-on-stardom-sexism-anorexia-and-survival

did anybody actually get tickets

To see Gail Porter's standup act? I doubt it.

Maybe she does Oasis jokes

did anybody actually get tickets

.....they didnt have better tunes that the verve tho

what's an Oasis song that actually sounds like the Beatles. i never thought of the Beatles when i heard their music. i just thought of i dunno, madchester. the charlatans. inpiral carpets? but rockier obviously. bigger.

No Oasis song is as bad as “Bittersweet Symphony,” I’ll give them that.

The closest I can get is "Falling Down" to "Tomorrow never knows" but that might be via the Chems "Setting Sun" xpost

xxp All Around The World is an obvious one. But specifically they often sounded like "Rain"

Oh yeah, that one on purpose obv. The video is Yellow Submarine during a migraine...

Oh, and the demo of "Songbird" with Johnny Marr is exactly like "Rain"

i don't think i knew that "setting sun" came from an actual oasis song! i liked that one at the time. i just thought he was singing on a chem bros. track.

i like that. that they all sounded like "rain". ha!

wow, "all around the world" is long. i do remember it now. or the video. it's no "stay together". and the long version of "stay together" is also long but its so awesome.

She's Electric and Whatever both have Beatles vibes about them

"Bag It Up" is Oasis' most Beatlesy song imo. Zak's 'doing his dad' there.

watching that video and noel's hot ones popped up and his was definitely entertaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxZwXy8kds8

the end of "The Turning" with the "Julia"-esque guitar over the cityscape sounds ripped from the end of "Eleanor Rigby" on Love where the same thing happens. now that's what i call updating your touchstones.

i don't think i knew that "setting sun" came from an actual oasis song! i liked that one at the time. i just thought he was singing on a chem bros. track.

???

There's an early Oasis demo called "Coming on Strong" which has a lot of the same lines IIRC.

"You said your body was young but your mind was very old" also kinda turns up in "Half the World Away": "My body feels young but my mind is very old".

Let Forever Be had Noel on it and sounds like Tomorrow Never Knows

Incidentally, Half the World Away - through being the Royle Family theme - and Setting Sun - through being the greatest record ever made - are reason alone for me to have admiration for Noel as is

well i'll be. look at that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-aNph4FoiA

shout-out to noel for giving a shout-out to "voodoo ray" in that hot ones episode.

An ok review spoilt by the Oasis comparison.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/article/2024/sep/03/never-understood-the-jesus-and-mary-chain-jim-william-reid-ben-thompson-review-noise-rock-band-rock-brothers

These working class people, they're all alike when you get right down to it.

They all just escape the factory or a life of drugs and crime by either playing music or football.

That's what Bobby Gillespie tells us so it's obviously true.

Also I love how English journalists are hung up on tenements as being indicators of grinding poverty - West End of Glasgow anyone?

i think i'm an oasis fan now. i've been listening on youtube. the lyrics are shit but i do like the guitars. i mean they WERE an actual rock band tht could rock. i've never heard any of that later stuff and i actually kinda dig the woozy beatleisms of some of it. they certainly gave oasis fans oasis music all the way to the end.

like this is totally generic in a lot of ways but i don't hate it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPc2plEHrHA

"shock of the lightning" is pretty easily their late period highlight

other than "Falling Down"

and assuming 2000 isn't late period because "Let's All Make Believe"

First two albums are classic and my estimation of them has only grown with time. They sound like heavy viscous unwieldy garbage on the lash. The hooks are gargantuan.

Interesting article/speculation on the ticketing fiasco here. Mega Mega White Thing lol!

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/on-oasis-ticketmaster-dynamic-pricing-uber-money-and-the-truth/

Almost stopped reading at this and wish I had...

The UK’s left-wing Labour government

Continuing from my post last week, the second part:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/look-back-part-2-111491655

liam's said they recorded a new album so lol that they're going to play a bunch of new rubbish on their reunion tour instead of just their many many hits

Should go big, play nothing BUT the new album.

Then encore with another new song

Then an unplugged second set reprising all those songs.

Then close by doing their b-side Beatles, Stones & Slade covers.

And then do a 30 sec version of "Supersonic"

And invite Mike flowers pop for his version of « wonderwall »

One of the first things me/my friends joked about was the 'dream' setlist. force of nature, magic pie, swamp song excerpt 2, the cage, bonehad's bank holiday, a quick peep, mucky fingers, i can see a liar, heroes, swamp song, street fighter man, fade away (warchild version), swamp song excerpt 1, fuckin in the bushes, all around the world (reprise), et al