Wire - 154: Classic or Dud?

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The room is spinning. I think it's the greatest album ever. I only wish I had it when I was 15. What do you think?

sundar subramanian, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

it's the second greatest album ever, after chairs missing. (just as "map ref" is the second greatest song ever, right after "outdoor miner." why they didn't put that one on on returning -- the best of -- is beyond me.)

fred solinger, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I bought on tape in 1989 (at 19) Wire - on Returning 1977 - 79, I have still not heard the original albums.

DJ Martian, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

If "Map Ref" isn't the second greatest, it's the first greatest -- I can't decide. "Single KO" should've been on On Returning, too. Well, 154 in its entirety should've been on On Returning. I spose that wouldn't leave much room, though.

Andy, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Mike Watt would agree with you.

"154" is up there. I still have "the 15th", "map ref", "40 version", "mutual friend", and "blessed state" as mp3s on my machine since I started working here.

In fact, I even imagined what a "154" tribute record would be like.. There's a rock band that was influenced by every single song on this one:

  • Sonic Youth -- "Two People In A Room"
  • Nomeansno -- "Once is Enough"
  • Wedding Present -- "40 Versions"
  • Polvo -- "Mutual Friend"
  • Superchunk -- "The 15th"
  • Radiohead -- "I Should Have Known Better"
  • The Strokes -- "On Returning" (HAW HAW! Kidding!)
  • Seefeel -- "Map Ref.." (Look, "THEEEE BAND" already covered it.. give someone else a chance at it)

That said, "Whore" is one of the better tribute CDs out there

Brian MacDonald, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Antecedents! Antecedents!

The previous list was what I imagined what a good "154" tribute would be, not who I think were directly influenced by each song respectively...

Brian MacDonald, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, Brian, jeez. ;-)

I will weakly echo all the praise since all the praise has already been offered. And since MBV was indirectly invoked, here's the bit from the interview I did with one K. Shields about his lurv for Wire:

I note that while a lot of artists on (Whore) provided little liner notes explaining how they got into Wire, you didn't, so I wanted to ask: have you all been long-time Wire fans in the band? The thing about Wire is, sometime in '85 or '86, I knew this guy who worked in a record shop; he was a mad Wire fan, a really big fan. I'd heard one or two things by them, and they didn't have any real effect on me. But then one day it hit me that some of the stuff they were doing was done ten years ago, and it was very strange, like 'What is this music?' Other stuff was very catchy, almost Beatle-like, with harmonies and nice vocals. I just thought it was really liberating that someone could do that, because I'd come across a couple of bands before that were like that, and there were a couple of bands in the past that were like that. But whenever you come across a new example, and the fact that this was done ten years ago meant a lot to me, and helped form my whole idea of what we could do. When the idea was put to us to do a Wire cover, I thought it would be good to do, if I could do one of the Wire songs that inspired me, I suppose, to not be afraid of being a pop group. Not a pop group with an intent to be pop stars, but a pop group in a sense that you're writing music that's essentially pop music, easy, instinctive music, but you're also doing other stuff, because that comes the same way, as opposed to placing limits and saying, "Well, we can't do that, it's too catchy." To me it seems like a real tragedy, when people do that. You often wonder about a certain band, do they write really good songs and then just not do them because it sounds too good, or too catchy, or takes away from the mood that they've got? Like Metallica, they always have to be within a certain area, they have to be Metallica. I don't know; I just like the idea of people who can do anything, a bit like the way the Velvet Underground used to do it.

Like the gentle pop tunes up against the lengthy, free-form experiments?

Yeah, what was good. They were into what was good, and I don't think they put a big distinction between what John Coltrane was doing and what the Beach Boys would be doing. I think that's the key. To me, between John Coltrane and Brian Wilson is something. It's good, and that's what makes it the same, a sort of good.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Hugely Classic! I can listen to Pink Flag/Chairs Missing/154 endlessly and constantly revise which is my favourite. Will talk more about this later.

Dr. C, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Almost uber-classic. Not quite up there with House Tornado, Loveless, DI Go Pop and Unknown Pleasures in my own pantheon, but it's not far off.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

154 is my favorite Wire album, and "Map Ref" is my favorite Wire song. Surprise surprise. Classic.

Ian, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I like Pink Flag way better.

Kris, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

It didn't grab me at first (except for Map Ref) after the first 2 LPs, in fact, I derided it as "Punk Floyd." I have warmed up to it a lot, but I still like the first 2 better. I remember rock critic Richard Meltzer once wrote that Map Ref was the best song in the world.

, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

greatest record evah made

i once fell in love with someone not least becuz they announced the above w/i being asked (along w. iggy pop's lust for life)

it didn't work and then some BUT whenever i remember this fact i entirely totally forget the not working part and reach for the phone to call em up

No 3: Kiss Alive!

mark s, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I can just see Mark S getting smashed on cold gin and roaring along with Paul Stanley's sermons on the mount (cf Chuck Eddy). "AWRIGHT!"

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

eight months pass...
Classic, yup. What's funny is how I got all outraged when it came out, ranting about how it represented the "Pink Floyding of punk"! Now I listen to it and it's just as punk as anything else they ever did (definitely punker than what happened to 'em later).

Speed was cheaper then, of course.

Matt Riedl (veal), Monday, 24 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Oi.

I just bought a DVD of Wire doing a "154" show from German TV, 1979. They encore with "Pink Flag", though who cares? The stuff they play before that is one of the best shows I've ever seen by a band. Incredibly intense, slightly pretentious at points but still so super amazing. I was kinda dumbfounded after watching it.

There's a selection of 80's clips at the end of the DVD by Wire and their solo side incarnations, but except for the solo stuff it's just horribly dated. Except for "Ahead".

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 4 December 2003 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Where can I find this?!?!?

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Thursday, 4 December 2003 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe I should buy this. I love "The 15th" but don't really not the other material. But I've never heard another Wire song I liked (and I have heard a 90 minute cassette worth, at least--not recent material either).

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 4 December 2003 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Where can I find this?!?!?

They've got it at Mondo Kim's here in NYC. Along with DVD's of old Factory videos, Blondie clips, Smiths at Versailles --- some great things that all seem to be the handiwork of someone with an awesome video collection who's just compiling onto DVD-R and selling through Kim's. Not entirely legal but -- hey, you know.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 4 December 2003 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

154 is brain-fuckingly excellent and the best Wire thing by a million miles.

DVD sounds great; snarl.

F. Anthony O'Reilly (Ferg), Thursday, 4 December 2003 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Like the previous two records, it is perfect - only gripe would be the art-school pretention and wrong vocalist in 'The Other Window' - Peel session version of this is better.

Sasha (sgh), Friday, 5 December 2003 01:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 5 December 2003 05:13 (eighteen years ago) link

One of my favourite albums in history. I don't have a vinyl copy, and I can't help but wonder if it always sounded as murky as it does on CD. I don't expect Steely Dan, but still.

Schwingung (Damian), Friday, 5 December 2003 09:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic, I blast "the 15th" alot. One of my favorite 5 albums in the whole world.

sucka (sucka), Friday, 5 December 2003 11:53 (eighteen years ago) link

ISITTOOLATETOCHANGEMYMIND? TOO LATE! TOO LAAATE! TOO LAAAAAAAATE-AAHHH!

Oh fuck, that's on Chairs Missing!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 5 December 2003 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Classique!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 5 December 2003 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Dud. very dud. Except for "The 15th" and "Map Ref."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm listening to it now, it's classic, certainly better than anything by Good Charlotte or Limp Bizkit.

hstencil, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

fraid not. Though Pink Flag is better than any Limp Bizkit album. Though not as good as Good Charlotte's last.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm waiting for someone to disagree with me and claim the album I don't like is better than anything by the Fall or the Human League. Just for a change.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I kind of agree with Anthony. I go directly to those two songs. Still, it's a nice record to have on in the background while working (I just put it on, too).

Why the Limp and Good Charlotte comparisons?

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:30 (eighteen years ago) link

it's better than some albums by the Fall, no question.

hstencil, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Kate, mentioning those bands is just a joke at Anthony's expense, no harm intended.

hstencil, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

'A Mutual Friend' very gradually lumbers into being an absolutely fantastic song also

F. Anthony O'Reilly (Ferg), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I just can't stand all the turgid bullshit on 154. Prog for punks, blech.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link

beats bad rap for wannabe metalheads, if you ask me.

hstencil, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

154 easily one of the best 100 or so records ever made. Easily.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

MBV's version of "Map Ref" is better than the original too.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Mike Watt's version of "the 15th" is possibly more entertaining than the original, at least the first time you hear it. But the original's qualities are more enduring.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Miccio now I know you are insane.

hstencil, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i think it's as good as the previous two records

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I bought the Fischerspooner record for their 15th cover. It's almost too faithful.

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Prog for punks? You say that like it's a bad thing.

Schwingung (Damian), Saturday, 6 December 2003 02:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Though not as good as Good Charlotte's last.

You should be slapped across the face with a sandpaper glove for that comment.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 December 2003 03:04 (eighteen years ago) link

154 is a good counterpart to pere ubu's first.

I was listening to 154 this morning and the lyrics are fantastic.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 6 December 2003 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Young And The Hopeless > Pink Flag > Modern Dance >>>>>>>>> 154

Cinnimiccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

But Robert Pollard agrees with y'all. And I'm sure Peter Gabriel would like 154 too.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

haha

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

getting the making of this album explained to me by the person who produced it was very cool i must admit!

and yeah i love it

geeta (geeta), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

You interviewed Mike Thorne, eh? Not that I'm jealous or would like to read a complete transcription or anything.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 December 2003 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Designed by Lewis and Gilbert I think? (not sure I buy your theory that it say 'Wire')

Stupidityness (Tom D.), Friday, 21 August 2015 23:32 (six years ago) link

all part of the same picture if you have the LP

Paul, Friday, 21 August 2015 23:35 (six years ago) link

the W wraps around to the back so you may not see it if you're not looking at the LP cover

Paul, Friday, 21 August 2015 23:39 (six years ago) link

three years pass...

this album is perfect

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 3 December 2018 12:04 (three years ago) link

correct!

imago, Monday, 3 December 2018 12:08 (three years ago) link

what is your favourite song

imago, Monday, 3 December 2018 12:12 (three years ago) link

https://i.ibb.co/MB2Vgf3/154.jpg

would wear wire

my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Monday, 3 December 2018 12:39 (three years ago) link

what is your favourite song

― imago, Monday, December 3, 2018 5:12 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk! at this point "a touching display" i think?

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:58 (three years ago) link

Don't tell Alfred.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 14:39 (three years ago) link

hot take: goth prog is good

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 3 December 2018 14:52 (three years ago) link

Damn, those sweaters are the ultimate post-punk Dad uniform.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:56 (three years ago) link

I'm sure someone could do a Christmas version as well.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 15:06 (three years ago) link

a touching display is a fine, fine choice, probably in my top three

still can't look beyond i should have known better for #1 tho. one of those openers that guarantees the album immortality no matter what the rest of it is like

imago, Monday, 3 December 2018 15:26 (three years ago) link

obviously the rest of it is full of stuff like a mutual friend and on returning so it would be immortal even without ISHKB but still

imago, Monday, 3 December 2018 15:27 (three years ago) link

"A Touching Display" was always my favourite too.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Monday, 3 December 2018 15:41 (three years ago) link

154: I should have POLLed better?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 3 December 2018 17:22 (three years ago) link

the two shortest songs are my favorites, but the whole thing is soooooo classic

Karl Malone, Monday, 3 December 2018 17:32 (three years ago) link

i heard a long time ago that the first three wire album covers are meant to work together, in combination. i was absolutely certain of this, and even thought i saw an image that showed how it looked.

i'm doing it now and it doesn't look right at all? am i making all this up?

Karl Malone, Monday, 3 December 2018 17:37 (three years ago) link

pink flag and chairs missing makes some sense, overlaid. but 154 throws everything off.

Karl Malone, Monday, 3 December 2018 17:39 (three years ago) link

pink flag / chairs missing:

https://i.imgur.com/2idNn2d.jpg

pink flag / chairs missing / 154:

https://i.imgur.com/XdFC35p.jpg

Karl Malone, Monday, 3 December 2018 17:43 (three years ago) link

ah, thanks J Sam. the On Returning comp is a remix of the covers. i must have seen it when i was younger and assumed it just a full overlay. how many weird lies have i told myself over the years, this could be a problem

Karl Malone, Monday, 3 December 2018 17:44 (three years ago) link

154 throws everything off.

― Karl Malone, Monday, December 3, 2018 10:39 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's no center, so otm

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:44 (three years ago) link

what is your favourite song

― imago, Monday, December 3, 2018 5:12 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk. at this point "a touching display" i think?

― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, December 3, 2018

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:44 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

Going to see these guys in March!

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Friday, 24 January 2020 03:05 (two years ago) link

Toying with seeing them again. Current version of band were good live a few years back

curmudgeon, Friday, 24 January 2020 19:58 (two years ago) link

they're not coming to SF this time :(

lukas, Friday, 24 January 2020 20:11 (two years ago) link

I listened to the entire album today and can't remember a single thing about it except one of them yelling OKLAHOMA really loud

opden gnash (imago), Friday, 24 January 2020 20:12 (two years ago) link

They still play only new songs?
If so👎

nostormo, Friday, 24 January 2020 20:47 (two years ago) link

I think I'd rather see them only play new songs. Not that I'm likely to go out of my way to see them.

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Friday, 24 January 2020 20:54 (two years ago) link

I want to see them play material from Read & Burn 1-3 and Send

opden gnash (imago), Friday, 24 January 2020 21:00 (two years ago) link

They mix it up live but tend to focus on the last few albums.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 24 January 2020 21:28 (two years ago) link

they're not coming to SF this time :(

Oh damnit, I was out of town last time they performed and it was at the closest venue to wear I live too.

octobeard, Friday, 24 January 2020 21:47 (two years ago) link

Yeah, they've been reasonably normal about the old songs in recent years. You won't get dot dash, but.

Mark G, Friday, 24 January 2020 22:50 (two years ago) link

opden gnash (imago) at 3:00 24 Jan 20

I want to see them play material from Read & Burn 1-3 and Send


saw em in that era and that's pretty much all they did!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 January 2020 23:39 (two years ago) link

it must have ruled!

opden gnash (imago), Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:35 (two years ago) link

Ha, tbh, I bought a ticket because they're basically playing next door but hadn't checked recent setlists. I just sort of assumed I'd get to see "Map Ref..."

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Saturday, 25 January 2020 01:31 (two years ago) link

I saw them on the tour for Change Becomes Us. Of course that album was largely reworked from Document and Eyewitness era. My notes say they did these:

Marooned
Drill
Doubles and Trebles (formerly “Ally in Exile”)
Adore Your Island
Re-Invent Your Second Wheel
Stealth of a Stork
B/W Silence
Magic Bullet
Love Bends (formerly “Keep Strumming Those Guitars”)
As We Go
Attractive Space
The Flying Dutchman
Blogging for Jesus
Map Ref.
Smash
Comet
Two People in a Room
Spent
Pink Flag

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:15 (two years ago) link

OK, looks like "Two People in a Room" is on recent setlists anyway.

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:29 (two years ago) link

makes sense, as it is...

ONE OF THE GREATEST SONGS OF ALL TIME

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:59 (two years ago) link

Yeah, they've been reasonably normal about the old songs in recent years. You won't get dot dash, but.

― Mark G, Friday, January 24, 2020 10:50 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

... But it seems you might get "Outdoor Miner"!!

Mark G, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 20:22 (two years ago) link

Noted

one charm and one antiup quark (outdoor_miner), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 23:51 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

Wire
Not About To Die
pinkflag
24 June 2022

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Wire are pleased to announce the first ever official release of Not About To Dieout June 24th via pinkflag (pre-order). Along with the announcement they have shared track “Stepping Off Too Quick” and an accompanying video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4OKaijZUpA

The original Not About To Die was an illegal bootleg, released at some point in the early 80s by the dubiously named Amnesia Records. The album was made up of selections from demos recorded by the group for their second and third albums: Chairs Missing and 154. These demos had been recorded for EMI, with cassette copies circulated amongst record company employees. However, they were never intended for release.

A typically shoddy cash-in, the songs on Not About To Die were taken from a second or possibly third generation cassette, with the album housed in a grainy green and red photo-copied sleeve. Compared with the high standards of production and design Wire have always been known for, it was something of an insult to band and fans alike.

Now, in a classic act of Wire perversity, the group have decided to redress the balance and reclaim one of the shadier moments of its history, by giving Not About To Die its first official release. All the tracks have been properly remastered, with the relevant recording details in place. As for the sleeve artwork, whilst it strongly references the original, it is decidedly more artful in its execution.

Having received proper care and attention, Not About To Die emerges as a fascinating snapshot of Wire in transition. Herein are embryonic versions of classic songs such as "French Film (Blurred)," "Used To" and "Being Sucked In Again," that the group would develop considerably for their epochal 1978 album Chairs Missing. Later demos such as "Once Is Enough," "On Returning" and "Two People In A Room" would surface in radically altered form on 1979’s 154.

Some songs, such as ‘The Other Window," are virtually unrecognisable from their later iterations. But the biggest prizes here may well be the numerous tracks that were destined to be omitted from Wire's later studio albums... Highlights include "Motive," which, whilst obviously still in an embryonic state, has an undeniable power. Robert Grey’s drumming is crisp and minimal, and Graham Lewis’s bass runs are particularly ear-catching. Despite its distinctly un-Wire title, "Love Ain't Polite" is also something of a gem. Bruce Gilbert’s guitar is razor sharp and Colin Newman’s vocal is especially strong, with his delivery of the ‘bah-ba- bah-ba’s’ providing an irresistible energy and charm.

Meanwhile, the track which gives the album its title Not About To Die, officially known as “Stepping Off Too Quick” and shared online for the first time today, is alive with confident energy, and possesses what Newman half jokingly calls “The best intro to any song ever." The intro is so good in fact, that it takes up a third of the song’s entire time frame.

These properly mastered tracks have never been available on vinyl before, and they provide an opportunity to hear Wire at a point in their development when they were bursting with fresh ideas and a will to communicate them. This is post-punk at its very finest.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 13 May 2022 20:31 (one week ago) link

Aren't most of those tracks on "Behind the Curtain"?

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Friday, 13 May 2022 20:44 (one week ago) link

Well yes, but why not just reissue Behind the Curtain, which was an EMI release even if it felt like a bootleg? Is the idea here to reissue the demos without the embarrassingly crude first third, like Mary is a Dyke and After Midnight?

mig (guess that dreams always end), Friday, 13 May 2022 20:46 (one week ago) link

Ah, "never before on vinyl"... got it.

mig (guess that dreams always end), Friday, 13 May 2022 20:47 (one week ago) link

According to Discogs:

Culture Vultures
French Film (Blurred)
Indirect Inquiries
Used To
Being Sucked In Again
I Should Have Known Better
The Other Window
On Returning

"...have never been officially released; the remaining tracks appear on the 1995 CD Behind The Curtain (Early Versions 1977 & 1978)."

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 13 May 2022 23:08 (one week ago) link

Didn't all of these tracks come out with the 2018 3CD expanded editions?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 13 May 2022 23:52 (one week ago) link

Yes.

Anyway, my copy has just arrived, so..

Mark G, Saturday, 14 May 2022 13:41 (one week ago) link

A guy's gotta make a living. Colin Newman, that is.

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 May 2022 14:40 (one week ago) link


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