― Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Friday, 30 June 2006 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 30 June 2006 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link
"Six" remains a singularly imaginative, inventive and utterly ludicrous treasure of an album, idiotic of lyric and guitar-fx heavy of instrumentation... filled with 80s pop, 70s prog and glam, and late 90s pro-tooled post modernist edits. Ripe for re-examination or utterly beyond the pale?
― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Friday, 30 June 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link
Taking Sides: Mansun vs. Kula Shaker
I can actually totally see it getting rediscovered as some kind of lost weird classic @ some point in the future.
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 30 June 2006 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Friday, 30 June 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 1 July 2006 00:16 (seventeen years ago) link
"(I never make these ridiculous hyperbolic posts but here I go)
Mansun's "Six" is my favorite record of all time.
(Did you make it past that sentence?)
Maybe a little more for sentimental and influential reasons now, but I still haven't found a record that has had more impact on my life than Six. I picked it up when I was 17, and it changed the way I listened to music from the very moment I started listening to it. The ambition, the nerve, the way every song had 14 different sections, how it dipped its hand in art-rock, techno, opera, guitar pop, psychedelia, pomposity, anarchy, and sheer ridiculousness was completely inspiring to me as a musician, and frankly, it still is today. It encompasses most of the qualitites and elements I love in music and in life.
Sure, I'm more into techno and house these days, but I have no shame at all in loving Mansun."
...pretty much sums up why this album is my favourite record of all-time as well. You forgot to add the bit (my bit) about Cancer being the finest song ever written, possessing as it does the best opening riff, the funniest chorus, the coolest background voice-effects, the MOST AWESOME GUITAR-SOLO, and the chillest, saddest ending of ANY SONG EVER. Who cares what the lyrics are saying; I'll sing along to Serotonin every time because it's such a mesmeric TUNE and the bloke SINGS IT SO WELL (see also: The Mars Volta, but that's another fight). Of course it will be rediscovered; I only discovered it last year aged 18 (i.e. no longer a child, the age at which most Mansun fans are accused of being exposed to the music) and already it's my fast favourite. Surely the point of music is to try and create the greatest piece of art one can possibly muster, and in order to do that one must differentiate oneself from the rest of the pack through sheer originality? As far as I'm concerned Mansun succeeded utterly in their ambitions, creating an album as full of life, melody, great surprises, brain-taxing musical challenges and balls-out verve as any I have ever heard. The way it is dismissed in some quarters dismays me and I genuinely hope that one day it will be re-appraised as the work of legend that it is.
Oh, and Radiohead named it as one of their major post-OK Computer influences, so you hipsters can go away happy as well...
(cue another picture of circling buzzards...)
― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 28 July 2006 01:57 (seventeen years ago) link
Rationally and objectively, it is as uncompromising and inventive (i.e. they did not rely on the tried and trusted sounds to compose the record, they searched through an extremely varied sound palette before choosing the RIGHT one) as any record I have heard, and the rest is just down to personal preference. I like my music to be made up of 'agreeable surprises', with size of surprise measured against quantity of surprises in a sort of bar-chart. An album like Hood's Rustic Houses Forlorn Valleys is entirely one-paced and almost without change but the mood created is so evocative that I love the album exclusively on the 'size of surprise' criterion. Whereas The Fiery Furnaces I suppose are the other extreme; so many 'magical moments' that quite a few are bound to stick.
'Six' is the only album where size and quantity of surprise are at about 100%. Therefore it is my favourite.
If you see what I mean...
― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 02:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― thomas (thomas), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:27 (seventeen years ago) link
discus
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― lexmina (Pashmina), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:53 (seventeen years ago) link
i don't like mansun, although i don't loathe them like i loathe other britpop, and am frankly shocked that there are people thinking about them in 2006.
― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:00 (seventeen years ago) link
HAHAHAHAHAHA
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:00 (seventeen years ago) link
(x-post oh that "little britain". I haven't got a telly, so I haven't seen it. I thought there was a band called little britain, or something)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:02 (seventeen years ago) link
i think this is the crux of my not understanding re mansun! i can just about imagine liking them at the time, but 10 years on we are all older and wiser surely.
― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:08 (seventeen years ago) link
There's never been a better time to talk about Mansun, with Paolo Nutini dragging British music to a new low...
― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:40 (seventeen years ago) link
(Said with straight face. Oceansize rock)
― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:53 (seventeen years ago) link
Louis, I emailed you. Reply.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:55 (seventeen years ago) link
Oceansize are a band who combine metal, post-rock and electronica, with a 3-guitar attack and effects pedals to die for. They are worth checking out. Honestly.
― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 12:11 (seventeen years ago) link
with Paolo Nutini dragging British music to a new low...
Paolo Nutini's parents own a very good chip shop where I have been often known to buy my lunch when I am on my break from work and don't give a toss about grease and spots and my weight. I realise this doesn't excuse his music (but it's better than James Blunt, if damning with faint praise is any consolation to him), but I can't bring himself to hate him entirely.
Mansun, on the other hand, were terrific. Classic, totally.
― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 28 July 2006 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link
i knew this would be a L***s J****r thread revive
― Just got offed, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:56 (sixteen years ago) link
No shit.
― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 24 May 2007 17:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Louis Jagger and Paul Draper are now friends. 11:45pm
― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Paul Draper is looking for the new sound like the mighty boosh! Updated 4 hours ago
― banriquit, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Good grief LJ is the second friend I have in common with Paul Draper. I'm so ashamed.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link
think my ex snogged paul draper one time.
― banriquit, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link
when she was, you know, 15.
― banriquit, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:38 (sixteen years ago) link
P4EDO DRAPER SHAME
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Groups include:
Paul Draper Chinese Group Bring back Mansun!!!! Fans of Dominic Chad Mansun appreciation society (aka lets start the worlds smallest FB group) Come back Mansun and Draper Paul Draper Official
― Matt DC, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link
poor guy
― banriquit, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link
I guess he must be now; it's been a while. If he wants the royalites to start flowing again he should lobby for some Mansun tracks to be included on the soundtrack to upcoming BBC1 time travel cop series Jump They Say.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link
ROYALTIES morelike
Royal-ites
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:45 (sixteen years ago) link
No, that was the Brotherhood of Man.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:46 (sixteen years ago) link
If you sing "Being a Girl" in a stupid voice, it does become a bog standard Franz track. -- Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 30 June 2006 10:56 (1 year ago) Link
^^^REAL TALK
― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link
the only mansun fan i've ever met is a terrible, terrible cunt
― DG, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:17 (sixteen years ago) link
the only mansun fan i've ever met is an internet legend
― banriquit, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Yr ex-girlfriend is an internet legend?
― Matt DC, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:38 (sixteen years ago) link
naw, i don't think she was a big fan rly.
im talking about louis.
― banriquit, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:39 (sixteen years ago) link
So anyway. Plus bonus Kula Shaker trashing.
http://www.vanyaland.com/2013/11/15/paul-draper-britpop-band-mansun-california-rapper-mansun-face-twitter-dazzling-results/
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 November 2013 16:20 (ten years ago) link
I thought paolo nutini had one okay song
― OutdoorFish, Friday, 15 November 2013 17:46 (ten years ago) link
good-natured beefs that result in potential collaboration are the future, i've seen it
― imago, Friday, 15 November 2013 20:47 (ten years ago) link
boggling at the fact that Draper has a blue tick on his twitter account.
― a band called 'Affairs'. They play instruments (soref), Friday, 15 November 2013 20:53 (ten years ago) link
i just can't get through the solo album. so much clattery, so much singy, too much something. I love the work he did on the Anchoress album but I'm not enjoying the work she did on this.
― akm, Friday, 11 August 2017 10:45 (six years ago) link
Just listening to this for the first time. Don't Poke The Bear is one of the worst openers I've heard in a long time. I know his voice was always an acquired taste but that is such a horrible vocal.
― kitchen person, Sunday, 13 August 2017 14:23 (six years ago) link
I'm listening to the album for the first time right now, still on "Don't Poke the Bear", and yeah, I was pretty into it until the vocal came in. Definitely a Bold Choice.
― michaellambert, Sunday, 13 August 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link
this is better than i expected
― imago, Friday, 18 August 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link
pvmic
― licking the yellow Toad next to the teleporter (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 August 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link
i expected it to be bad tbf
― imago, Friday, 18 August 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
pvmnic
― licking the yellow Toad next to the teleporter (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 August 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
He could have followed Six with this album. Nothing quite as good as I Can Only Disappoint U, though
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 19 August 2017 10:26 (six years ago) link
I'm going to listen to ATTACK OF THE GREY LANTERN tonight.
― the pinefox, Monday, 3 August 2020 17:43 (three years ago) link
is he not #cancelled now
― boxedjoy, Monday, 3 August 2020 17:47 (three years ago) link
nah he was a pathetic ass but idk if 'drunkenly propositioning your tourmate on fbook chat' is full-cancel territory. like, obv v shitty but yellow card and 'do better' imo
― imago, Monday, 3 August 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link
Paul Draper: ex-Mansun frontman denies stalking musician Catherine Anne Davies https://t.co/tzHjmCYadO— Guardian culture (@guardianculture) December 12, 2022
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Monday, 12 December 2022 16:25 (one year ago) link
a pattern has emerged :(
no excuse at all but he is fucked in the head and needs help as well as censure/punishment
― imago, Monday, 12 December 2022 16:52 (one year ago) link
honestly fuck him anyway tho, not gonna let this ruin Six but fuck relistening to his recent solo stuff (which was awful recriminatory bollocks anyway)
― imago, Monday, 12 December 2022 16:53 (one year ago) link
CAD and I are FB friends and she's posted obliquely about this over the years on her personal account, but didn't know the extent of it, and I have no reason to think she is anything other than utterly sincere and he is an absolute cunt
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 12 December 2022 17:20 (one year ago) link
well as i say (as my post before the jump demonstrates), this is not a first offence!
― imago, Monday, 12 December 2022 17:29 (one year ago) link
he did not 'do better'
Somehow he and his lawyers blocked the story Laura Snapes had been working on for a while where she had talked to some of his victims. I'm glad he's finally getting called out in public. He's an awful human being and I doubt I'll listen to Mansun again.
― kitchen person, Monday, 12 December 2022 20:10 (one year ago) link
There's more? Ugh
― imago, Monday, 12 December 2022 20:31 (one year ago) link
As I say though, I tend to forgive the art more than the artist, especially if the art long pre-dates the awful behaviour. You will prise Six from my cold dead hands etc, but Draper now? The wolves can have him
― imago, Monday, 12 December 2022 20:36 (one year ago) link
He seems to have gone massively downhill in recent years. I liked his first solo album, but fuck knows what has happened to him
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 13 December 2022 11:37 (one year ago) link
i believe CAD wrote a lot of that first solo album so maybe that's part of the issue.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 14:57 (one year ago) link
That 'Things People Want' song sounded like a lost single from Mansun at their best.Strange to think just a few years down the line, everything is now in the bin, completely
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 13 December 2022 21:41 (one year ago) link