Mansun : Classic or Dud

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I have the first two albums, which veer wildly from classic to dud in the space of a few bars. Maybe that's the point. I heard they'd been working with the genius Howard Devoto - any sign of that on 'Little Kix'? At this point I have them down as irritating duds with a few flashes of inspiration. Whaddya think?

Dr. C, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I have this "Take It Easy, Chicken" promo-only single with three b- sides that like distills Grey Lantern's best embarrassing hard rock moves and bilious annoy-boy posturing into something hellaciously heaven sent. The degree to which I worship this 50ยข (what I paid for it) dog's breakfast is furiously inexplicable (though maybe not - it doesn't look so out of place next to my Wheatus and Weezer CDs).

Otis Wheeler, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Dud. I saw them live and they blackened their own name. I could never take them seriously after that hard rock extravaganza.

Audrey, Thursday, 8 February 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i've never really got mansun. I've read all these glowing ecstatic reviews of their work, seen the hordes of THE KIDS who seem to worship their every move, but they just mean nothing to me at all, not even enough to warrant a dud...

Otis, if you've got Mansun next to wheatus and weezer, you really need to work on that alphabetising...

carsmilesteve, Thursday, 8 February 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

that is the point, you just have to decide if the flashes of genius make listening to the rest worth it. persistence pays off with '..grey lantern', the idiosyncracies grow on you over time. still, i can't see how anyone over 17 could like them.

jess owens, Friday, 9 February 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Little Kix was so immensely terrible that I can't say "classic." However I thought "I Can Only Disappoint U" was a good song. They're an ideal cult band that is right where they need to be. "6" was fun prog, something I'd never thought I'd say. Unfortunately the US version was mangled beyond belief. I'm waiting to see what they do next to write them completely off. They need to stop working with 300,000 pound producers.

brent d., Monday, 12 February 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

five years pass...
They kind of invented Franz Ferdinand, no?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 30 June 2006 10:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

no.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 30 June 2006 10:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

unless you mean 'vast amount of hype, kind of disappeared.'

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 30 June 2006 10:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

If you sing "Being a Girl" in a stupid voice, it does become a bog standard Franz track.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 30 June 2006 10:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I thought it was going to be a "bad hair day" comparison.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 30 June 2006 16:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Attack of the Grey Lantern is a great record.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 30 June 2006 16:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i want to hear the Perfecto mix of 'Wide Open Space' now and see how it compares to recent JLC indie remixes.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 30 June 2006 16:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Six", I still like just fine. It is much, much better than the last Franz album that I bought.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 30 June 2006 16:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Six" sounds nothing like FF though - the only comparison I can see is that Mansun was the cuddly and cute UK indie boy band of their time like FF is now. Mansun is pretty fucking bad though.

Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Friday, 30 June 2006 17:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Well, I didn't bring the comparison up! I don't really see it either, TBH. "Six" is great though, one of my favourite albums.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 30 June 2006 20:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

They were hated at the time and it was pretty obvious to see why, they sucked live mainly cos their thick-as-shit hard-co fanbase were more interested in fighting than anything else, but still...

"Six" remains a singularly imaginative, inventive and utterly ludicrous treasure of an album, idiotic of lyric and guitar-fx heavy of instrumentation... filled with 80s pop, 70s prog and glam, and late 90s pro-tooled post modernist edits. Ripe for re-examination or utterly beyond the pale?

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Friday, 30 June 2006 20:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Semi-coherent thoughts on "Six from another thread:

Taking Sides: Mansun vs. Kula Shaker

I can actually totally see it getting rediscovered as some kind of lost weird classic @ some point in the future.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 30 June 2006 21:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yes- listen to "Six" then listen to a mainstream UK indie album from the past 3 years-- the distance in terms of imagination, daring and sonic ingenuity is stunning.

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Friday, 30 June 2006 21:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I might as well repeat that "Six" is my favorite disc of all time, for both musical and personal reasons, and I doubt that will ever change.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 1 July 2006 00:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
Michael, if you're still out there, what you wrote on another thread:


"(I never make these ridiculous hyperbolic posts but here I go)

Mansun's "Six" is my favorite record of all time.

(Did you make it past that sentence?)

Maybe a little more for sentimental and influential reasons now, but I still haven't found a record that has had more impact on my life than Six. I picked it up when I was 17, and it changed the way I listened to music from the very moment I started listening to it. The ambition, the nerve, the way every song had 14 different sections, how it dipped its hand in art-rock, techno, opera, guitar pop, psychedelia, pomposity, anarchy, and sheer ridiculousness was completely inspiring to me as a musician, and frankly, it still is today. It encompasses most of the qualitites and elements I love in music and in life.

Sure, I'm more into techno and house these days, but I have no shame at all in loving Mansun."


...pretty much sums up why this album is my favourite record of all-time as well. You forgot to add the bit (my bit) about Cancer being the finest song ever written, possessing as it does the best opening riff, the funniest chorus, the coolest background voice-effects, the MOST AWESOME GUITAR-SOLO, and the chillest, saddest ending of ANY SONG EVER. Who cares what the lyrics are saying; I'll sing along to Serotonin every time because it's such a mesmeric TUNE and the bloke SINGS IT SO WELL (see also: The Mars Volta, but that's another fight). Of course it will be rediscovered; I only discovered it last year aged 18 (i.e. no longer a child, the age at which most Mansun fans are accused of being exposed to the music) and already it's my fast favourite. Surely the point of music is to try and create the greatest piece of art one can possibly muster, and in order to do that one must differentiate oneself from the rest of the pack through sheer originality? As far as I'm concerned Mansun succeeded utterly in their ambitions, creating an album as full of life, melody, great surprises, brain-taxing musical challenges and balls-out verve as any I have ever heard. The way it is dismissed in some quarters dismays me and I genuinely hope that one day it will be re-appraised as the work of legend that it is.

Oh, and Radiohead named it as one of their major post-OK Computer influences, so you hipsters can go away happy as well...

(cue another picture of circling buzzards...)

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 00:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't argue in the same absolutist language, but yeah it was the right record at the right time for me.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 28 July 2006 01:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

But I am young and naive enough to speak in such absolutist terms, albeit knowingly, and yet still mean them.

Rationally and objectively, it is as uncompromising and inventive (i.e. they did not rely on the tried and trusted sounds to compose the record, they searched through an extremely varied sound palette before choosing the RIGHT one) as any record I have heard, and the rest is just down to personal preference. I like my music to be made up of 'agreeable surprises', with size of surprise measured against quantity of surprises in a sort of bar-chart. An album like Hood's Rustic Houses Forlorn Valleys is entirely one-paced and almost without change but the mood created is so evocative that I love the album exclusively on the 'size of surprise' criterion. Whereas The Fiery Furnaces I suppose are the other extreme; so many 'magical moments' that quite a few are bound to stick.

'Six' is the only album where size and quantity of surprise are at about 100%. Therefore it is my favourite.

If you see what I mean...

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 02:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Mr Gill!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Mr Southall!

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I am surprised by this "revelation" (I don't use ILM much these days, as I'm sure you've noticed). Six was my friend Oli's favourite record at university.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It's always been on my Stylus staff page! I think we briefly talked about it after you did your "On Second Listen" for Gray Lantern last year.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Possibly, but I have a midn like a sieve.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm glad to see some love for "Six" here, especially Serotonin, mmmm, great song. I don't really care that much about anything else they've done but i'm wondering whether that 'Kleptomania' box set is worth checking out?

thomas (thomas), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

mansun inspired 'little britain'.

discus

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Attack of the Grey Lantern is better. :P

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

What is "Little Britain"

lexmina (Pashmina), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'd never dreamt I'd see my favourite band and my least favourite television programme in the same four-word sentence

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

TOM BAKER + UNFUNNY, POORLY PERFORMED OBSERVATIONS OF ENGLISH ECCENTRICITY

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i know what little britain is but have never seen it and have no desire to. it sounds shit.

i don't like mansun, although i don't loathe them like i loathe other britpop, and am frankly shocked that there are people thinking about them in 2006.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Mansun may have had Tom Baker, but Little Britain didn't get him to read Brian Jones' death poetry. The show is singly the most unfunny, puerile waste of scheduling I have ever seen

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Brian Jones' death poetry"

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Amazingly enough, Lex, sometimes when one likes a piece of music, one might like listening to it again from time to time, and when you listen to it, sometimes you think about the people who made it.

(x-post oh that "little britain". I haven't got a telly, so I haven't seen it. I thought there was a band called little britain, or something)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

sometimes when one likes a piece of music, one might like listening to it again from time to time

i think this is the crux of my not understanding re mansun! i can just about imagine liking them at the time, but 10 years on we are all older and wiser surely.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I would far more associate the unambitious, cosy, stock, Andrex-soft witterings of LB with the current new-wave revivalists, or possibly the Coldplay set. They're all proponents of a cultural stagnancy which Mansun were plainly the deadliest of enemies with (until Little Kix, when their label forced them to submit).

There's never been a better time to talk about Mansun, with Paolo Nutini dragging British music to a new low...

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

mansun were boys who played guitars = cultural stagnancy at its most stagnant

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

you could win any argument with that sort of crass generalisation

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

and he often does!

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Lex = ILX debate club captain.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Lex = ARGH.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

As a result of this thread, I listened to "Grey Lantern" again. Quite a lot of it still stands up very well.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Besides, with bands like Oceansize, Aereogramme etc coming into prominence on these shores, surely the shadow of Mansun is as demarcated as it ever was?

(Said with straight face. Oceansize rock)

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Who?

Louis, I emailed you. Reply.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Have done so...

Oceansize are a band who combine metal, post-rock and electronica, with a 3-guitar attack and effects pedals to die for. They are worth checking out. Honestly.

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 12:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I sort of like and admire how the Lex is almost guaranteed to appear on thread about stuff he hates just to tell us all how much he hates it.

with Paolo Nutini dragging British music to a new low...

Paolo Nutini's parents own a very good chip shop where I have been often known to buy my lunch when I am on my break from work and don't give a toss about grease and spots and my weight. I realise this doesn't excuse his music (but it's better than James Blunt, if damning with faint praise is any consolation to him), but I can't bring himself to hate him entirely.

Mansun, on the other hand, were terrific. Classic, totally.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 28 July 2006 17:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

i knew this would be a L***s J****r thread revive

Just got offed, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

No shit.

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 24 May 2007 17:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

Louis Jagger and Paul Draper are now friends. 11:45pm

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

Paul Draper
is looking for the new sound like the mighty boosh!
Updated 4 hours ago

banriquit, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

Good grief LJ is the second friend I have in common with Paul Draper. I'm so ashamed.

Matt DC, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

think my ex snogged paul draper one time.

banriquit, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

when she was, you know, 15.

banriquit, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

P4EDO DRAPER SHAME

Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

Groups include:

Paul Draper Chinese Group
Bring back Mansun!!!!
Fans of Dominic Chad
Mansun appreciation society (aka lets start the worlds smallest FB group)
Come back Mansun and Draper
Paul Draper Official

Matt DC, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

poor guy

banriquit, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

I guess he must be now; it's been a while. If he wants the royalites to start flowing again he should lobby for some Mansun tracks to be included on the soundtrack to upcoming BBC1 time travel cop series Jump They Say.

Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

ROYALTIES morelike

Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

Royal-ites

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

No, that was the Brotherhood of Man.

Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

If you sing "Being a Girl" in a stupid voice, it does become a bog standard Franz track.
-- Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 30 June 2006 10:56 (1 year ago) Link

^^^REAL TALK

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

the only mansun fan i've ever met is a terrible, terrible cunt

DG, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

the only mansun fan i've ever met is an internet legend

banriquit, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yr ex-girlfriend is an internet legend?

Matt DC, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

naw, i don't think she was a big fan rly.

im talking about louis.

banriquit, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

So anyway. Plus bonus Kula Shaker trashing.

http://www.vanyaland.com/2013/11/15/paul-draper-britpop-band-mansun-california-rapper-mansun-face-twitter-dazzling-results/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 November 2013 16:20 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought paolo nutini had one okay song

OutdoorFish, Friday, 15 November 2013 17:46 (three years ago) Permalink

good-natured beefs that result in potential collaboration are the future, i've seen it

imago, Friday, 15 November 2013 20:47 (three years ago) Permalink

boggling at the fact that Draper has a blue tick on his twitter account.

a band called 'Affairs'. They play instruments (soref), Friday, 15 November 2013 20:53 (three years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

i just can't get through the solo album. so much clattery, so much singy, too much something. I love the work he did on the Anchoress album but I'm not enjoying the work she did on this.

akm, Friday, 11 August 2017 10:45 (two months ago) Permalink

Just listening to this for the first time. Don't Poke The Bear is one of the worst openers I've heard in a long time. I know his voice was always an acquired taste but that is such a horrible vocal.

kitchen person, Sunday, 13 August 2017 14:23 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm listening to the album for the first time right now, still on "Don't Poke the Bear", and yeah, I was pretty into it until the vocal came in. Definitely a Bold Choice.

michaellambert, Sunday, 13 August 2017 17:34 (two months ago) Permalink

this is better than i expected

imago, Friday, 18 August 2017 19:08 (one month ago) Permalink

pvmic

licking the yellow Toad next to the teleporter (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 August 2017 19:12 (one month ago) Permalink

i expected it to be bad tbf

imago, Friday, 18 August 2017 19:29 (one month ago) Permalink

pvmnic

licking the yellow Toad next to the teleporter (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 August 2017 19:30 (one month ago) Permalink

He could have followed Six with this album. Nothing quite as good as I Can Only Disappoint U, though

PaulTMA, Saturday, 19 August 2017 10:26 (one month ago) Permalink


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