David Crosby's If I Could Only Remember My Name - C or D?

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Cocaine-Rogain Aquarian classic or overblown hippie crapola?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 18 January 2004 01:59 (fifteen years ago) link

overblown hippy classic.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 18 January 2004 02:02 (fifteen years ago) link

but not as good as that Red Hash album my brother-in-law was playing me on new years.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 18 January 2004 02:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Classic if only for Laughing, Cowboy Movie and Traction in the Rain

pete s, Sunday, 18 January 2004 02:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Is it as half as amazing as Gene Clark's No Other as far as lost solo / vanity classics go? Cuz thats one of my all time favorites.

Red Hash?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 18 January 2004 02:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Classic! Drugged out psych-folk rambling akin to John Martyn's early 70's albums. And they do some kind of medieval plainsong number near the end of the album, which is unexpected and v. weird coming from a bunch of American hippies.

udu wudu (udu wudu), Sunday, 18 January 2004 02:12 (fifteen years ago) link

It's not quite in the same class as 'No Other' roger but it has the same ambition. It tries to get to the same place without really....moving off its ass. It's even more decadent than that album.

pete s, Sunday, 18 January 2004 02:18 (fifteen years ago) link

awesome. i'm sold. thanks guys.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 18 January 2004 02:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Gary Higgins - Red Hash

superstoner folk-psych from 73. they are both great albums though. that red hash album just hit the spot so well cuz i was on top of a mountain in woodstock with gale-force winds whipping around the house while high on weed. it was a set and setting kinda thing. dunno, if there is a reissue that is easy to find. i want one if there is.

(before we headed for woodstock we stayed at my wife's dad's place on top of a mountain in massachusetts where he has a new-age retreat and the crosby cd was prominently displayed next to all their african carvings.)

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 18 January 2004 02:30 (fifteen years ago) link

The David Crosby and Graham Nash record is also great and well worth checking out. I like "If only I could remember my name" a lot, but yes, it's not quite "No other". All good stuff though.

Keith Watson (kmw), Sunday, 18 January 2004 20:33 (fifteen years ago) link

"If I Could Only Remember My Name" = classic, absolutely; the comedown to the Byrds' "Notorious Byrd Brothers". Worth it for "Laughing" alone but the whole record is absolutely incredible. Bought it three times! (CD, LP, reissue LP)... God I'm sad. (I did send one of those to SR though.)
It's up there with Gene Clark's "No Other", yet another great record, although I've not quite fathomed why everyone rates that one over "White Light", which to me is Clark's best solo record, for "Spanish Guitar" and "With Tomorrow" alone. (Make sure you get the recent CD reissue, the extra tracks are fantastic.)
Keith - is there only one Crosby/Nash record - if there's more, which one are you talking about?
The only record to come close to the 'mood' of "If I Could Only Remember My Name" is, perhaps, the second Meat Puppets record...

jwd, Monday, 19 January 2004 07:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Sorry, no, I've tried several times and I just can't see what all the fuss is about.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 19 January 2004 10:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Is it as half as amazing as Gene Clark's No Other as far as lost solo / vanity classics go? Cuz thats one of my all time favorites.

Absolutely nothing like "No Other", I love it personally, in fact i prefer to "No Other" ... today

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 19 January 2004 13:09 (fifteen years ago) link

jwd - sorry, don't know if there are more than one, but I don't think so. This is the one I'm talking about:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000C3G6/qid=1074537265/sr=1-8/ref=sr_1_11_8/026-4549943-0217242

Keith Watson (kmw), Monday, 19 January 2004 18:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Should, if you follow all the rules, be terrible.
Is, in fact, truly exhilerating.
Classic. Oh yes.

harveyw (harveyw), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 12:10 (fifteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
thank you for these recommendations.

how's the John Phillips - John, the Wolf King of LA? i've heard that album is supposed to tread the same terrain?

anything else like this?

JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 15 October 2004 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Regarding great lost solo classics, Dennis Wilson deserves a mention.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 16 October 2004 00:40 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...
This album is incredible. I love hippies.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link

If only I could forget his name.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Classic... if just for the guitar tunings.

Dud - that David Crosby songbook with the dodgy binding that falls to bits in your hands. Anyone else got one of those?

avery keen-gardner (avery keen-gardner), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 23:52 (thirteen years ago) link

The John Phillips album is so excellent.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 20 October 2005 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link

i still haven't fallen in love with the John Phillips album :(

Burger abortion i don't ask it i demand it!!!! (jaxon), Thursday, 20 October 2005 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
"You know that Indian Girl? She was no Indian, she was the LAW"
Man that line just too freakin' heav-eeeee dude.

dr lulu (dr lulu), Friday, 7 July 2006 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link

One of my favourite album covers as well (and gatefold sleeve), these things are important

¡Vamos a matar, Dadaismus! (Dada), Friday, 7 July 2006 08:15 (thirteen years ago) link

After my accident, when I was back at home and still wracked with pain - couldn't sleep, couldn't stay awake - listening to this album was an especially hallucinatory experience, but a nice one. In its own bone-headed 1970 way it had a healing quality about it. It drifted in and out of focus in the same way I was. It was comforting.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 7 July 2006 08:24 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...
yeahhh, so i bought this last night and listened to it twice. it's great. anyone know where i can score those outtakes?

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:22 (twelve years ago) link

Anyone thinking of getting the 3 CD Crosby box set that's coming out later this month?

treefell (treefell), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:48 (twelve years ago) link

Yup, totally classic status. It's also one of those rare psych-folk LPs that is relatively easy to find and only a few bucks, which is kind of endearing.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:21 (twelve years ago) link

yourfullname, that your real email?

jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

If Only I Could Remember My Email

Dadaismus (Takin' Funk to Heaven in '77) (Dada), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

whatevs - http://www.sendspace.com/file/tl27jc

jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

OH OH THANX!

shit, i missed when this thread got bumped. thank you SO much, jaxon.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 09:38 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, thanx Jax, you're a star!

Dadaismus (Takin' Funk to Heaven in '77) (Dada), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 10:04 (twelve years ago) link

Nice outtakes, thank you.

I have never heard the intakes though.

Re: the box set (which I would like, yes, but it is quite expensive), can you spot the odd one out here:

Customers who bought this item also bought
If I Could Only Remember My Name: Remastered & Expanded/+Dvda ~ David Crosby
There Is a Season: +DVD ~ Byrds
The Complete Reprise Sessions ~ Gram Parsons
Orphans [3CD Set] ~ Tom Waits
The Slade Box [Box Set] ~ Slade
Perception: 40th Anniversary (6 CD's and 6 DVD-A's) ~ Doors

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 11:26 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, what is that clown Tom Waits doing in there

Dadaismus (Takin' Funk to Heaven in '77) (Dada), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 11:27 (twelve years ago) link

anyone know what's on that dvd that comes w/the remastered version?

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

I think it's just a surround sound mix rather than any visuals, but I'm not sure.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:46 (twelve years ago) link

Well, the cover is classic so-bad-its-good.

deekew (deekew), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

Everybody's saying that music's for free.

Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

Well, the cover is classic so-bad-its-good.

i don't get this at all. i guess it's a little dated, but i'd never think it was terrible.

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:38 (twelve years ago) link

UNDOUBTED CLASSIQUE

calvin johnson has ruined rock for an entire generation (orion), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:38 (twelve years ago) link

If Only I Could Dismember My Liver

(i need to get this record at long last)

timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 9 November 2006 00:21 (twelve years ago) link

I like this album. Matter of fact, I like most of what this bunch of people did during this period. "If I Could Only Remember My Name" is still rather different from typical CSN-material though, more dreamy and slightly more experimental. Still good.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 9 November 2006 09:55 (twelve years ago) link

Those outtakes are very Cleo Laine.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 9 November 2006 11:00 (twelve years ago) link

The album has yet to be remastered. Maybe Rhino will include some of the outtakes if they remaster it.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 9 November 2006 11:26 (twelve years ago) link

it looks like there might be an alt. version of "cowboy movie" on the crosby box set.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 9 November 2006 11:31 (twelve years ago) link

The album has yet to be remastered. Maybe Rhino will include some of the outtakes if they remaster it.

geir, good job reading AGAIN. there are two mentions only a couple of posts above yours that mention the remastered & expanded version

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:39 (twelve years ago) link

Well, the cover is classic so-bad-its-good.

Madness, it's so-good-its-good!

Dadaismus (Takin' Funk to Heaven in '77) (Dada), Friday, 10 November 2006 10:41 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, there's nothing wrong with the cover for this LP! MUCH better in fact than yer average CSN(Y) cover.

calvin johnson has ruined rock for an entire generation (orion), Friday, 10 November 2006 14:51 (twelve years ago) link

Band dynamics are hard to parse, but I suspect Crosby had a lot more to do with the darker, more psychedelic Byrds (5D, Younger Than Yesterday) than can be measured just by songwriting credits (which, for what it's worth, spike significantly on those two albums--virtually nothing on the first two, 10/21 writing credits on the next two). Crosby begins the documentary talking rapturously about Coltrane, and that's certainly all over "Eight Miles High." If you think the Byrds were at their best on the first two albums and then later on Notorious Byrd Brothers and Sweetheart, then Crosby's importance diminishes (further complicated by Clark's comings and goings).

clemenza, Monday, 5 August 2019 14:57 (one week ago) link

Biggest mouth, hands down--the documentary has some great Monterey footage I'd never seen of him going on about Kennedy conspiracy stuff (a big part of why he got the boot).

clemenza, Monday, 5 August 2019 15:00 (one week ago) link

"If you think"--I'm using "you" in the general Kael-like sense there, not in reference to Οὖτις.

clemenza, Monday, 5 August 2019 15:06 (one week ago) link

Crosby had a bunch of stuff on Notorious B.B. too.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 5 August 2019 15:12 (one week ago) link

i'm not saying he wasn't important!

tbough this:

I suspect Crosby had a lot more to do with the darker, more psychedelic Byrds (5D, Younger Than Yesterday) than can be measured just by songwriting credits

is you know hard to say....but i mean it's mcguinn's 12 string guitar that made that song takeoff....according to the wiki, clark said he wrote the lyrics w/croz kicking in one line

also Croz kicked in Mind Garden and Renaissance Fair which both suck ass imo

Though Everybody's Been Burned is so amazing

like he's good! but I think it's really unfair to say that McGuinn wasn't really the guiding force behind those albums, they sound psychedelic because of him, Croz is fine but Clark and McGuinn are just on another level

I know that Croz liked Coltrane and stuff but McGuinn did too and Shankar etc, but Croz frankly isn't a good enough instrumentalist to really express those influences, that's McGuinn

(xp) Yes, plus he never looked more handsome than he does on the cover.

How to Book Michael Fish (Tom D.), Monday, 5 August 2019 15:18 (one week ago) link

also if we're talking about emerging songwriters within the Byrds you have to consider Chris Hillman as much as Croz

agree that it's generally pretty difficult to parse band dynamics. But it isn't difficult to make a judgment on what the likely merits various members brought to an ensemble based on what they did *outs8de* of that ensemble, ie on their own. Clark and Neil (and McGuinn, albeit to a lesser extent imo) went on to produce fantastic work. Crosby not so much (full disclosure I hate CSN and IICORMN)

Οὖτις, Monday, 5 August 2019 15:32 (one week ago) link

to extend the Marvel bullpen analogy, this is the same as asking what Stan Lee created of note once Kirby and Ditko abandoned him (answer: nothing)

Οὖτις, Monday, 5 August 2019 15:33 (one week ago) link

Crosby not so much (full disclosure I hate CSN and IICORMN)

― Οὖτις, Monday, August 5, 2019 10:32 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

haha okay but other than that how was the play mrs. lincoln?

if i could only remember my name is stone cold classic

and as deej said upthread, his recent albums are surprisingly good

Which might be the difference: I (admittedly a minority) like Crosby's songs on the first two CSN/CSNY albums.

Funniest blowhard moment in the documentary (although he does seem to be saying it half tongue-in-cheek): Crosby lobbying to be put in the Rock 'n' Roll HOF a third time, because CSNY should be inducted on their own (CSN have already been inducted).

clemenza, Monday, 5 August 2019 15:38 (one week ago) link

lol

that reads kind of like a sad attempt to generate an excuse for his old bandmembers to maybe consider talking to him again

Οὖτις, Monday, 5 August 2019 15:53 (one week ago) link

Crosby lobbying to be put in the Rock 'n' Roll HOF a third time, because CSNY should be inducted on their own (CSN have already been inducted).

― clemenza, Monday, August 5, 2019 10:38 AM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol ok gotta respect the hustle

"Renaissance Faire" is great, wtf.

Byrds harmonies dipped a bit, post-Croz.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 00:31 (one week ago) link

don't like it whaadya gonna do

but yeah I mean he was key to two of the great harmony singing groups ever not accident

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 12:56 (one week ago) link

I can understand not liking CSN because of Stills but Crosby's singing with them is beautiful.

the following video, which we talked about a lot some time ago with Crosby's murderous approach, remains my go-to Crosby document (after this thread's titular album)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_fZUgeLL0o

L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:15 (one week ago) link

His songs on the first Crosby & Nash album are so dope, especially Whole Cloth--slow, jazzy, contemplative mode Croz with twinkling Fender Rhodes

J. Sam, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:44 (one week ago) link

I'm going to try to get this out of the weeds...My broader point above was that, even though he descended to a buffoonish caricature at his lowest point, David Crosby helped create some incredible music--some of which he wrote, some of which he didn't. I think he's half-right about CSNY going into the Rock and Roll HOF. CSN is like 70% of the people in there: they certainly don't need to be, but they're not the worst pick. (29% of the inductees belong, and 1% of them is the worst pick.) But if you're only going to go with one, CSNY would be better than just CSN.

clemenza, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:50 (one week ago) link

To its credit, the documentary doesn't end with some cornball reunion engineered by Cameron Crowe. But it'll happen--first, because that's what these guys do, break up to make up, and it's also clear that Nash is softening up at the end.

clemenza, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:53 (one week ago) link

I doubt Neil will do it unless he breaks up with Darryl Hannah

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 15:10 (one week ago) link

i think there about 4 other bands i'd rather see neil get back together with

tylerw, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 15:19 (one week ago) link

i mean, pearl jam would be more interesting for heaven's sake ... maybe it's time for a 20th anniversary mirror ball reunion tour.

tylerw, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 15:21 (one week ago) link

I know people don't like Stills but I kinda feel for the guy, I read somewhere he's going deaf and his voice has been cooked for awhile

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 15:24 (one week ago) link

one of my go-to 'what if' scenarios is imagining Neil never joined CSN, and they just covered his stuff once in a while at the most.

whitehallunity, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 15:42 (one week ago) link

is this streaming anywhere?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 17:40 (one week ago) link

Crosby seems kind of lonely right now; if you call him up, he may let you come over and watch it.

clemenza, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 17:53 (one week ago) link

I'm sure he would love to hear how I wrote a sort of snarky song about him

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 17:57 (one week ago) link

i mean croz is sort of a legendary asshole with regrettable facial hair and probably that liver could have gone to someone more virtuous but on the other side of the equation he is at least apparently dying more-or-less alone and unloved, which is a fate a lot of legendary assholes seem to avoid, and also he did write some fucking fantastic songs. there are people a lot more worth hating than croz, is what i'm saying, enough of them that i just don't have any hatred left over for him.

Abigail, Wife of Preserved Fish (rushomancy), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 23:35 (one week ago) link

Def prefer the work of Crosby and Stills over Nash’s wubbly weak stuff

brimstead, Thursday, 8 August 2019 00:26 (one week ago) link

Nash’s Hollies songs > Crosby’s Byrds songs

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 August 2019 00:50 (one week ago) link

yeah what a fine metric to judge them by

brimstead, Thursday, 8 August 2019 00:51 (one week ago) link

the best hollies song is “dragging my heels”

brimstead, Thursday, 8 August 2019 00:52 (one week ago) link

I think I just don’t like the sound of his voice and his treacly songwriting. I like the sample of “Chicago” in that beanie Siegel song... I like “teach your children” but mainly for jerry garcia

brimstead, Thursday, 8 August 2019 02:19 (one week ago) link

I believe Crosby is alone among his peers for writing a song Miles Davis covered. Unfortunately, it (“Guinnevere”) happens to be the only out-and-out dull recording of Miles’ electric period.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 8 August 2019 02:35 (one week ago) link

Nash’s Hollies songs > Crosby’s Byrds songs

I'll do this only with my favourite songs by each band--they wrote others.

Had to check the credits on my four favourite Hollies songs: "I Can't Let Go," "Carrie Anne," "On a Carousel," "Pay You Back with Interest." Nash co-wrote the last three.

So for me they'd be up against "Eight Miles High," "What's Happening?!?!," "Lady Friend," and "Draft Morning," all co-written by Crosby.

If I put the last three Crosby songs against Nash's three, pretty close--I could go either way. But "Eight Miles High" is decisive.

clemenza, Thursday, 8 August 2019 02:54 (one week ago) link

I don't know enough about electric Miles to call it the only truly dull recording of the period, but it's certainly far, far worse than electric Miles doing Guinnevere ought ever to be.

Abigail, Wife of Preserved Fish (rushomancy), Thursday, 8 August 2019 05:07 (one week ago) link

(xp) "What's Happening?!?!" and "Lady Friend" were 100% Crosby songs, not co-writes fwiw.

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 August 2019 06:41 (one week ago) link

And Lady Friend is arguably a top 5 Byrds song.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 10 August 2019 13:17 (one week ago) link

Yeah, I goofed on those songwriting credits. "Lady Friend" is fantastic. I think my Top 5 would be "She Don't Care About Time," "Eight Miles High," "Wasn't Born to Follow," "Goin' Back," and either "You Showed Me" or "Here Without You" from Preflyte. "Lady Friend" would be one of the next five for sure.

clemenza, Saturday, 10 August 2019 14:06 (one week ago) link

You Showed Me is Clark/McGuinn! Crosby not credited on the Turtles version etc

Οὖτις, Saturday, 10 August 2019 15:18 (one week ago) link

And Eight Miles High, gimme a break - more Stan Lee syndrome ie puttin his name on shit that was almost entirely the work of others

Οὖτις, Saturday, 10 August 2019 15:19 (one week ago) link

More like the other way round on "The Notorious Byrd Brothers".

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Saturday, 10 August 2019 15:51 (one week ago) link

Not sure what you mean there.

Goin Back also not a Crosby song + he hated it

Οὖτις, Saturday, 10 August 2019 15:58 (one week ago) link

I was listing my five favourite Byrds songs period, whether Crosby wrote them or not--should have been clearer. Was just agreeing with NTI that "Lady Friend" was close to the top.

And Eight Miles High, gimme a break

Because you were there in the studio, right? Your dislike of Crosby seems a little intense.

clemenza, Saturday, 10 August 2019 16:03 (one week ago) link

McGuinn/Hillman finished off "Draft Morning" and put their names on it to Crosby's chagrin.

Crosby wanted "Triad" on the album instead of "Goin' Back".

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 10 August 2019 16:05 (one week ago) link

(xxp) I mean McGuinn and Hillman attaching their names to songs that Crosby claims were almost entirely his work.

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Saturday, 10 August 2019 16:05 (one week ago) link

(xp)

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Saturday, 10 August 2019 16:05 (one week ago) link

XP By "finished off", I mean added a couple lines and brought in the Firesign Theatre to do sound effects.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 10 August 2019 16:07 (one week ago) link

On "Draft Morning".

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 10 August 2019 16:07 (one week ago) link

With the usual caveats about Wikipedia, this presents Crosby's contributions to "Eight Miles High" as much more than just putting his name on something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Miles_High#Composition

He contributes what is, for me at least, the song's single most unforgettable line--"rain grey town"; I used that for a chapter title in a book--and he's the guy who plays Coltrane and Shankar for the rest of the band. If you accept McGuinn's version, Crosby contributes more than that to the lyrics.

It looks like the song is primarily Clark's, yes, but Crosby's contributions to the writing and the playing seem crucial to me.

clemenza, Saturday, 10 August 2019 16:13 (one week ago) link


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