in theory i like that cale is doing weird unexpected stuff at this stage in his career rather than just coasting
― tylerw, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link
Video by Abby Portner, who he's been collaborating with lately, they did something together at the Whitney I think and maybe a tour? She's the sister of Avey Tare from Animal Collective, for what that's worth.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link
hmm, i heard a rumor that cale was collab-ing w/ animal collective some time earlier this year.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
John Cale is not on the bacon continuum, don't even consider pursuing that angle Even when his experiments are kinda goofy or ill-conceived he's still experimenting and he's still alive and super fly too so please.
― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 18:32 (eight years ago) link
haha, i'm not sure what the bacon continuum even is ...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 19:34 (eight years ago) link
lol I love john cale, it was an idle thought that I will happily abandon (although if it turned out he was bill murray people calling him things like "super fly" would be exhibit a)
― Amblyomma_americanum_tick.jpg (wins), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 19:48 (eight years ago) link
ugh i only used that word because someone else used it upthread and i was furtively typing on my phone full of horror at john cale being spoken about that wayi have nothing but earnest reverence and there will be no bacon the end!
― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 19:56 (eight years ago) link
that rework is pretty pleasant as a new song but it completely loses the haunting feeling that's at the core of the orginal.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 10:30 (eight years ago) link
If they tour this I'm there
― Amblyomma_americanum_tick.jpg (wins), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 10:35 (eight years ago) link
+1
Disagree that this version isn't haunting – they all are, tho I have a special place for the gothic rendition (replete with bizarre military bagpipe coda) on Music For a New Society .
One of the things I love about this song is that Cale seems to have written it very deliberately as some kind of modern standard (did he write it for Sinatra? can't remember), what with the style, the orchpop arrangement and, of course, the Cash quote. And while it was never really embraced that way outside of his own fanbase, the song has become very much a standard for him. This version plays as kind of a high concept remix, with the treated vocals and MPC/Burroughs-style cutups shifting the focus from the sentimentality of the much loved refrain to the bleak fatalism of the verses.
Anyway, I was a fan of Nooky Wood's songs and sound – will be interested in MFANS.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 20 November 2015 04:40 (eight years ago) link
listened to this remake a couple more times and it's kind of growing on me! Caaaaale!!!i think Cale did say at some point he wrote it w/ sinatra in mind ... i actually can imagine scott walker owning it in the 70s.
― tylerw, Friday, 20 November 2015 15:08 (eight years ago) link
The Sinatra thing is mentioned in the liner notes to the island years iirc
― noe love derp wev (wins), Friday, 20 November 2015 15:12 (eight years ago) link
Also the first time I heard the new version I heard the processed "never win, never lose" as "heroin, never Lou"
― noe love derp wev (wins), Friday, 20 November 2015 15:15 (eight years ago) link
hahathink my fave version of "close watch" is the fragments of a rainy season solo performance ... his vocal there is perfect: "i still hear your voice at night / when i turn out the light / and try to settle down"
― tylerw, Friday, 20 November 2015 15:22 (eight years ago) link
The Fragments versions are pretty much my favorite versions of all of those songs.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 20 November 2015 15:24 (eight years ago) link
yeah i was thinking that as i was typing it: think my fave version of "_________" is the fragments of a rainy season solo performance. that record is unbelievable.
― tylerw, Friday, 20 November 2015 15:34 (eight years ago) link
It's the first piece of evidence I use in my argument that people dismiss live albums at their own peril.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 20 November 2015 15:37 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, Fragments versions, in particular, of that song, "Dying on the Vine" and "Cordoba" are the definite ones as far as i'm concerned.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 20 November 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link
yep
Playing roundhouse & philharmonie de Paris in feb btw but dunno if that's mfans: the tour or just like, a show
― noe love derp wev (wins), Friday, 20 November 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
this one too:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTpiadDuA5o
― tylerw, Friday, 20 November 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link
Having overspent on poorly recorded bootlegs of solo Cale, I was thrilled when Fragments was released in 92. Saw him perform twice in 1988 and 1989, the first with Chris Spedding and the second solo, and was growing a bit desperate for a document of those stripped yet intense versions. "Dying On The Vine" is particularly definitive on this collection.
― doug watson, Friday, 20 November 2015 23:11 (eight years ago) link
That ws the first Cale song I ever heard and I still think it's one of his v best. Hearing the original version ws a bit of a shock.
― albvivertine, Saturday, 21 November 2015 02:22 (eight years ago) link
heads up this is on spotify
― microtone policing (wins), Sunday, 24 January 2016 13:44 (eight years ago) link
this?
― YOLO Versus Powerball on the Moneygoround, Part One (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 January 2016 15:07 (eight years ago) link
the thread
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 24 January 2016 15:12 (eight years ago) link
pisssssssss
― trigger warning: your mom (mattresslessness), Sunday, 24 January 2016 15:15 (eight years ago) link
sorry
music for a new society reissue/2016 redux
― microtone policing (wins), Sunday, 24 January 2016 15:16 (eight years ago) link
So I gave this a listen and, while it's an interesting reinterpretation, I don't understand why he felt the need to turn it into an opera. I mean, the original is already quite intense, but here he's added even MORE drama to it all.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 00:02 (eight years ago) link
So over on the Blackstar thread I posted 'bout how KMUW's "Strange Currencies" ignored the FCC or Public Radio rule somebody mentioned vs. playing more than one track by a given artist per hour, as they celebrated Bo's birthday with an hour of hits & album tracks, then a second hour of guest shots etc (like on Ronson's Slaughter On Tenth Avenue). And right now, for the hell of it apparently, they're following tracks from M:Fans, Songs For Drella and The Matrix Tapes with the Rock N Roll Animal "Sweet Jane". Not all Cale, but not bad. (More from M:Fans coming up.)
― dow, Friday, 5 February 2016 02:23 (eight years ago) link
Changes Made in the style of Joy Division on M:FANS is p lolz
― François Pitchforkian (NickB), Friday, 5 February 2016 10:32 (eight years ago) link
riyl dark morbid spiritual soundscapes
― napster p2ppies (wins), Friday, 5 February 2016 10:57 (eight years ago) link
Thoughtless Kind as Kanye also pretty funny.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 5 February 2016 14:15 (eight years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 5 February 2016 21:26 (eight years ago) link
hahaha the reworking is a blast
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 20:48 (eight years ago) link
which it feels weird to characterize anything about this album as a "blast" but idk he kinda made it fun
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 20:49 (eight years ago) link
haha, yeah, i think i'd call it "fun", too! which is quite a feat, considering these songs.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 20:52 (eight years ago) link
also "back to the end" is super gorgeous
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:22 (eight years ago) link
if I didn't like the "Close Watch" rework will I still find things to like y/n
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:24 (eight years ago) link
definitely, every rework is pretty distinct
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:29 (eight years ago) link
http://www.stereogum.com/1869163/watch-john-cale-play-the-velvet-underground-nico-with-animal-collective-the-libertines-mark-lanegan/video/
― dow, Monday, 4 April 2016 03:49 (eight years ago) link
No-thanks
― albvivertine, Monday, 4 April 2016 03:52 (eight years ago) link
I refuse to listen to anything a member of Animal Collective has contributed to
― beamish13, Monday, 4 April 2016 06:42 (eight years ago) link
I feel the same about the Libertines.
― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Monday, 4 April 2016 07:49 (eight years ago) link
agggh no
― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Monday, 4 April 2016 13:01 (eight years ago) link
http://concert.arte.tv/fr/john-cale-and-guests-velvet-underground-nico
― StanM, Sunday, 22 May 2016 10:32 (seven years ago) link
(= same thing as before but complete and HD)
― StanM, Sunday, 22 May 2016 10:33 (seven years ago) link
John Cale @therealjohncale 37m37 minutes agoIts official, @therealjohncale joins #BowieProms on July 29 Royal Albert Hall http://bit.ly/29rbHdd
― dow, Sunday, 10 July 2016 19:49 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnBoy2GWEAAPKj0.jpg:large
― dow, Sunday, 10 July 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link
Cool.
Just was listing to "in Every Dream Home A Heartache" and thinking how much Bryan Ferry's vocal sounded like John Cale. In fact before I recognized what song it was really thought it was John Cale.
― The Rite of Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 10 July 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link
Baby John Cale! He whispered "I performed in a concert that lasted 18 hours" into a game show host's ear <3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=0mqO-xsRyTM
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 8 October 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link