John Cale S/D

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I've just discovered a treasure-chest of John Cale LPs at the local secondhand dealer. They're all quite cheap, but I need help deciding which ones to get (getting all of them isn't out of the question either). They've got 'Slow Dazzle', 'Music For A New Society', 'Artificial Intelligence', 'Honi Soit', and 'Caribbean Sunset'. Of course, I don't want to limit the S/D to just these albums -am seeking a general Cale S/D.

cnwb (cnwb), Monday, 12 January 2004 04:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Out of that batch, I'd grab Slow Dazzle and Honi Soit. Then look elsewhere for Vintage Violence and, most importantly, Paris 1919.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 12 January 2004 05:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Slow Dazzle and Music for a New Society are two of Cale´s best. Honi Soit has a couple of great tracks (i.e.dead or alive, Wilson Joilet), but the rest is average.

Hernan, Monday, 12 January 2004 05:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Also find Fear somewhere. BTW, there's already a Cale S/D somewhere.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 12 January 2004 06:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Carribean Sunset isn't his greatest, but it's definitely unfairly maligned...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 12 January 2004 06:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I searched for a Cale S/D before posting my request, but couldn't find one. Apologies if there's already one which I didn't find.

cnwb (cnwb), Monday, 12 January 2004 06:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

also his album with Terry Riley "Church of Anthrax" is super duper fab. almost all funky, minimalist instrumentals.

Vintage Violence is my fave.

JaXoN (JasonD), Monday, 12 January 2004 06:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Fear is my favorite Cale album -- that and the Animal Justice ep.

jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 12 January 2004 07:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yes, the Animal Justice EP. CHICKENSHIT!!!

nickn (nickn), Monday, 12 January 2004 08:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Has anyone heard the newest one? As with most Cale albums, I didn't expect it to be very good, and then it was.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 12 January 2004 08:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

His live album, "Fragments of a Rainy Season, is wonderful. I would love to hear him live. It's very stripped down and minimal, mostly just him accompanying himself on piano, yet very strong.

And of course there is "Songs for Drella."

Mary (Mary), Monday, 12 January 2004 08:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

But this is still the best.

x-post... OTM

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 12 January 2004 08:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Paris 1919: lots of nice, gentle folkly numbers, plus the stomping glamrock behemoth that is 'Macbeth'

bham, Monday, 12 January 2004 09:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Kenan's absolutely right about Mr Cale's latest one.

I'm not at all familiar with his other albums (the only other thing of his I've got is the "Seducing Down The Door" comp.) but I think "Hobo Sapiens" is wonderful - and it's making me want to explore the rest of his back catalogue further - I was thinking I'd probably start with either "Paris 1919" or "The Island Years"

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 12 January 2004 10:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Paris 1919, Music for a New Society and Fragments of a Lonely Season seconded. Then there's a great low-priced double cd comprising all 3 albums he made on Island (Fear, Slow Dazzle & Helen of Troy). I also have Carribean Sunset which I like quite a lot. Certainly not as strong an album as the others but I find opener "Hungry for Love" sublime.

I've been meaning to pick up Hobosapiens but haven't just yet, the 5 Tracks ep which came out a few months earlier is great though and if that's a taster of what the album will be like then it should be great.

x-post: The Island Years is the double album I mentioned.

willem (willem), Monday, 12 January 2004 10:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Paris 1919, Music for a New Society - two of the greatest albums ever released by anyone, anywhere

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 12 January 2004 12:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Church of Anthrax seconded!

This is actually the only Cale album I own. Did he ever do any other records like this one?

M Carty (mj_c), Monday, 12 January 2004 13:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

To reiterate bham, the best first port of call is Fragments of a Rainy season. It's a good cross section of his songs done as simply as you could possibly want them. Personally I can't get over the hamball 70's production on a lot of the proper albums, so I tend to go for the Fragments versions.

Paris 1919 is probably the next best to approach, it's gentle and accesible. Somehow I think it's nice to get this one in before going to Church of Anthrax / New Society, which if you heard them completely out-of-the-blue would sound like the flailing piss of a coked-up bag of bellybooze. Which they are. The secret is to learn to love the bag, and that takes a while.

The 80's ones, Carribean Sunset in particular, are shit. Think about it. It's a solo album from a 60's guy in the 80's called Carribean Sunset. More than any of the one's that were mentioned up to go for Fear next. It's got a fairly decent mix of material and the 70's bar-rock boogie is at it's least annoying. Slow Dazzle has it's highlights, as has Honi Soit.

Hobosapiens I still can't get into for some reason. It sounds like your old Geography teacher berating you from the next room about subways and somesuch. I'll reserve my opinion of that as I haven't quite listened to it enough yet.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeh, the new one is not bad.
"Wrong Way Up" with Eno is a good one.

S: Fear; Slow Dazzle: Guts; Paris 1919. (Fear, Slow Dazzle, Helen of Troy, and a few singles were reissued on a twofer called "The Warner Bros. Years" a while back, and it's the way to go.) Paris 1919 is very good indeed but I think "Slow Dazzle" is the greatest John Cale record, sort of brutalist Brian Wilson...

D: Vintage Violence (never liked it except for "Gideon's Bible"); all his '80s shit; all his '90s shit (I do like his last one but it's hardly essential).

I also have three CDs of his early noise stuff in NYC, nice room-clearing music but again hardly essential.

Honi Soit is an honorable attempt at a comeback around '81, and there are some nice moments, but by that time he had really started to lose his voice, and it sounds a bit stillborn. Worth getting for a few bucks.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

And in case you see them in the racks...

Sabotage & Even Cowgirls Get the Blues - Great for die-hard fans, but probably not for beginners.
John Cale is Alive - More accessible, but less good.

Walking on Locusts - I absolutely love this one, but no one else seemed to.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Vintage Violence is rub yes.

Mid 70s albums terrific, Animal Justice terrific (Hedda Gabler!!!!!), New Society terrific, most other stuff patchy, I am fond of Sabotage but never actually listen to it, Fragments is lovely but I get embarrassed listening to it for personal reasons, I would love to assert that Caribbean Sunset is good but I can't honestly remember anything about it, it's better than Artificial Intelligence though surely.

i.e. what everyone else said.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I didn't like Vintage Violence when I first got it (I expected a more VU-like approach) but I have grown to love it. If you like other stuff give this one a chance.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Didn't notice Academy In Peril mentioned in this thread.
The reason i'm "mentioning" it m'self here is: said platter could be coming my way, remarkably cheapish too.
Haven't heard it, actually. But intend to pick it up anyway...

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 01:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Didn't notice Academy In Peril mentioned in this thread.

I was about to say. They need to fix the star ranking though!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 02:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

HA!! Checked that AMG entry only last night. And was greatly confused by the bizarro incongruo betwixt yer text and the meagreness of star power granted above it.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 02:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I love the tune on Caribbean Sunset with Cale shouting out the chord-changes to the band between lines. If ever you needed evidence that he wasn't particularly focused around that time...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 14:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I dunno, "Academy in Peril" isn't very compelling. Not terrible. Cale was so much better as a pop musician; I really love "Taking It All Away" and "Ski Patrol" and so forth. Chris Spedding is really good on guitar on the classic WB albums.

Christgau is right; the "Peril" track "Days of Steam" does remind of the Ernie Kovacs theme.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 15:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Agreed about Academy, but you mean the Island records, eddie. Plus, according to the bang-up job Island did on the reissue of Slow Dazzle, it's "Talking it All Away." Idiots.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 16:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I listened to "23 Solo Pieces for La Naissance de L'Amour" last night. I really couldn't tell the difference between it and a Wyndham Hill record on most of the songs... It was far too "pleasant"

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 16:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm shocked that Tom doesn't dig 'Vintage Violence' - it's pure pop!

Yeah that 'Island' comp really is terrific - all the hits and none of the shit (well, some) - glad someone mentioned 'Ski Patrol', a real fave of mine

Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 20:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i'm a "search: all" kinda guy (i did!).

Sabotage really is a fantastic noise thing on the rock-meets-avant-jazz tip.

Artificial Intelligence is getting way underrated here as pretty-pop.

But orchestral cale hits his peak, as far as i'm concerned, with "words for the dying" which is one of the few where the studio recorded versions so clearly top the fragments... versions.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 00:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, I really need to get Hobosapians.

I saw him live in a very small bar like 4-5 years ago, and it was wonderful. A lot like the Fragments of rainy day CD. All he had was a piano and acoustic guitar on some songs and vocals.

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 05:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

My favorites of his is his collaberations: from the velvet underground albums to "church of anthrax" and "wrong way up" and "songs for drella" and the stuff with tony conrad and la monte young. Also his work with Nico and Nick Drake. Also his one song on Hector Zazou's "Songs of the cold Seas"

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 05:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

with the patti smith band covering "my generation"!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 06:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
the ovation network is running an excellent cale documentary that's making me want to dig out EVERYTHING i own that the man has been involved with. starting with the marble index.

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 04:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

That doc is a staple of the ovation channel. I watched it about five times summer of last year- by the end I felt like I understood Welsh.

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 04:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

ha, they're showing footage from a show i was at!

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 04:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i wish i understood welsh!

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 04:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The bbc has some pretty good stuff online.

Did you see yourself in the audience?

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 05:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

they didn't show the audience, silly. they did show the knitting factory banner.

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 05:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

what is the ovation network? where can I see this?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 05:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's in the bravo/a&e vein of highbrow arts programming.

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 05:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

what actually roped me in right before the cale thing aired was

Hail Bop! –
Whereas the ’80s were fraught with gauche displays of wealth and “conspicuous consumption,” the ’90s fashion houses and museums have made a political statement by shifting toward the pared-down simplicity which has defined the decade. Composer John Adams makes political statements through his work as well, from controversial operas, such as Nixon in China and The Death of Klinghoffer (which deals with the hijacking of the Achille Lauro), to electronic compositions and sometimes minimalist modern orchestrations, still largely considered avant garde by classical music purists. Filmmaker Tony Palmer profiles Adams as he premieres two works commissioned in commemoration of his fiftieth birthday: Gnarly Buttons and Slonimsky’s Earbox.

Next Showing:
Wednesday, November 23 2:00 AM EST

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 05:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

If you want to learn a few words of John Cale's mother tongue, here is a link

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 15:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

What's Welsh For Zen is excellent.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 15:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It is. I don't know what I did with my copy. I should have bought another when I saw it at the Strand.

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 15:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I love Wrong Way Up

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I loved it at the time - I mean I was excited that Cale & Eno were collaborating (again for the first time)... But I've become less enthusiastic about it over the years. Is the reissue much different? I think the production of the original release may in fact be what I don't like about it.

I'm surprised how many people have cited Honi Soit. I love that record, even as weak as it is.

I recently watched the Drella video on the big screen again .. still fantastic... and the Cale songs are superior, but maybe that's just me being a little sick of Lour Reed.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Lou, lol, roffle.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Here's a review of Wrong Way Up:

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 18:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink


Just was listing to "in Every Dream Home A Heartache" and thinking how much Bryan Ferry's vocal sounded like John Cale. In fact before I recognized what song it was really thought it was John Cale.

The Rite of Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 10 July 2016 20:02 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Baby John Cale! He whispered "I performed in a concert that lasted 18 hours" into a game show host's ear <3

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 8 October 2017 22:02 (eleven months ago) Permalink

That Welsh accent is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

Tom's Tits Experiment (Tom D.), Sunday, 8 October 2017 23:08 (eleven months ago) Permalink

He's playing at the Joshua Tree Desert Daze festival this coming weekend, and Terry Riley is also on the bill for the same day. I'm thinking how cool it would be if they do some Church of Anthrax stuff together.

nickn, Monday, 9 October 2017 06:07 (eleven months ago) Permalink

that video just set me up for the day :)

pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 October 2017 06:30 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Is Even Cowgirls Get The Blues still available? He was really intense in the late 70s, did a bit of a twin guitar thing going on .
NOt sure taht's even his best from the era but him between like 76 and 81 live is pretty great, certainly up to the turn of the 80s.

I got a few sets fo his from Dime and other torrent sites that are great.

Stevolende, Monday, 9 October 2017 11:58 (eleven months ago) Permalink

He's playing at the Joshua Tree Desert Daze festival this coming weekend, and Terry Riley is also on the bill for the same day. I'm thinking how cool it would be if they do some Church of Anthrax stuff together.

Riley is playing the same stage, immediately before Cale, so looks very promising (I'm going).

by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 00:09 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I'm not, unfortunately, but this does look like the best festival I've seen in So Cal for a long time.

nickn, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 00:54 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Is Even Cowgirls Get The Blues still available? He was really intense in the late 70s, did a bit of a twin guitar thing going on .
NOt sure taht's even his best from the era but him between like 76 and 81 live is pretty great, certainly up to the turn of the 80s.

I got a few sets fo his from Dime and other torrent sites that are great.

I, uh, may have written a fairly long piece on this era recently:

You can check out a pretty wide selection of late 70s shows, particularly the 1979 tour, under the Cale section here:

whitehallunity, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 01:09 (eleven months ago) Permalink

that's a great read

iatee, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 01:13 (eleven months ago) Permalink

thanks a lot! There were a couple older ilx threads that helped me first get my bearings of the era before I started digging around more to write it.

whitehallunity, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 02:06 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Agreed, really good piece.

I've always been fascinated by this era but never really heard anything with decent sound. Of the recordings available, are any of the boots of better quality than Cowgirls?

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 02:55 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Reading that excellent Perfect Sound Forever article (thanks!) got me thinking. Anyone put together a better sound quality version of the "Even Cowgirls Get The Blues" bootleg? Tyler, this seems right up your alley. ;-)

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 03:32 (eleven months ago) Permalink

agggh live Church of Anthrax?!!?? jealous!!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 13:28 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Seems unlikely, tbh, but there may be some Cale/Riley interaction.

nickn, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:00 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Of the recordings available, are any of the boots of better quality than Cowgirls?

― Naive Teen Idol

yes, I don't have my bootlegs to hand at the moment but iirc Dallas 1976 is totally goddamn amazing and sounds WAY better, I'll go through what I have and post more this evening. Pretty sure there's also a Toronto show with a bunch of great performances in slightly lower quality.

sleeve, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:22 (eleven months ago) Permalink

oh I see I wrote this thing:

sleeve, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:23 (eleven months ago) Permalink

so those shows were Dallas '79 and Philadelphia '79

sleeve, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:24 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I should really fix those dead links

sleeve, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:25 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Yes please!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:40 (eleven months ago) Permalink

gimme a day or two

sleeve, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:42 (eleven months ago) Permalink

There was a compilation of unreleased late 70s/80s John Cale that circulated in 2013, really great stuff and mostly better sound quality than the "Cowgirls" boot (and completely different songs).

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 18:02 (eleven months ago) Permalink

is that the one just called "Unreleased Songs"?
yeah, cale should really do a boxed set gathering together some good live tapes from this era (Sabotage redux?). was always surprised at the lo-fi quality of Cowgirls ... great performances though.

tylerw, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:40 (eleven months ago) Permalink

and great article, whitehallunity! definitely is going to send me back down the rabbit hole with late 70s cale

tylerw, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:49 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Looks like the Danceteria cd is going for a lot of £, that's the one that I picked up in Dublin about 25 years ago.
Wondered if anybody else had picked it up after taht. I don't think I've even heard anything about ROIR itself recently.
How does Cale feel about that era? Sounds like he was pretty messed up at the time

Stevolende, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:57 (eleven months ago) Permalink

haha, yeah, all these shows sound pretty alcoholic ... can't really remember reading his later opinions about this era.

tylerw, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:02 (eleven months ago) Permalink

He either sounds drunk or miserably hungover during that whole period, so probably hard or unpleasant to recall. Any links to that 2013/Unreleased Songs thing? Really love this period.

albvivertine, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:56 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Not seeing it listed now, but I saw him in 79 or 80, Birmingham AL, with Deerfrance, George Scott---think there were two full-time guitarists (Cale played it occasionally)? Maybe transitional, as the excellent new xpost PSF piece mentions: they did material from Sabotage Live, also "Pablo Picasso", "Even Cowgirls Get The Blues", and several others from the s/t LP, which I ordered from a Voice ad of mid-80s (don't remember how it sounded, but I prob cut it some slack for durty nostalgia's sake). He seemed right at home, even got doggie beggin' paws for my photog buddy during the smog-ripping "Walking The Dog", playing percussion on his hardhat (which he was wearing) while Deerfrance did her thing, kicked back with boots up on the keyboard, playing white noise guitar for a while, also the piano itself re "Waiting For My Man"---maybe he was drunk, but no prob that night.

dow, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 22:47 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Thanks again for all the compliments on the article, really means a lot. The link I posted earlier has nearly every 79 era show available as streaming mp3s. Here's some of the better ones:

New Yorker Theatre, Toronto, Feb 19th 1977:


CBGBs, Dec 31st 78:


The Edge, Toronto, March 21st 1979:


Palladium, Dallas, April 21st 1979:


Whisky A-Go-Go, April 30th 1979:


There's lots more on that site if you browse around.

I had to refrain from going into even more detail about individual tapes in the article, but all the Toronto shows (near and dear to my heart being from Hamilton, just outside T.O.) from that period are nuts in the best way, as is the Dallas show from 79.

whitehallunity, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 00:31 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Great, thanks so much!! Wondering also about that tela post of a presumably somewhat musical encounter with Lester Bangs( I like LB's "Let It Blurt", the single on Cale's Spy label).

dow, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 17:05 (eleven months ago) Permalink

excellent PSF article btw, thanks

sleeve, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 17:06 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i'll upload that unreleased comp when i can ...

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:32 (eleven months ago) Permalink


StanM, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 19:15 (eleven months ago) Permalink


dow, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 19:31 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Awesome, thanks

albvivertine, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 20:48 (eleven months ago) Permalink

nice child's christmas in wales cover on that blog too!

niels, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 07:08 (eleven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

eyewitness testimony:
John Cale, who turned 75 in March, used his two programs at the Brooklyn Academy of Music last week to look back at half a century and to stare unblinkingly into the future.

dow, Sunday, 19 November 2017 21:00 (ten months ago) Permalink

dow, Sunday, 19 November 2017 21:11 (ten months ago) Permalink

I was up in NY and went to the Friday program-- Cale and indie-rockers doing an out of order 50th anniversary tribute to The Velvet Underground & Nico album, plus a few more songs. Cale sounded good instrumentally and on vocals, although he barely talked between songs and never introduced bandmembers or guests. I was underwhelmed with the band that included Deantoni Parks from Mars Volta on drums. Guitarist Kurt Vile added appropriately noisy stringwork on “Run Run Run,” and singer Caroline Polachek who was in a group called Chairlift was impressive on “Sunday Morning.” Not so good were Sky Ferreria (she sounded nervous and did a rushed,alternate melody for "I'll Be Your Mirror"...Will Hermes in his Rolling Stone review was underwhelmed too).
Animal Collective, and MGMT did not seem like they belonged up there, and Tunde from TV on the Radio did not wow on his vocals on "Heroin." There was a string section on some songs, nice old-school and psychedelic backing visuals, and a closing rendition of “Sister Ray” with everyone onstage adding to the cacophony.

#kurtvile & #chairlift singer #carolinepolachek sounded good. Better than #mgmt & #animalcollective . Everyone was onstage for closing #sisterray .

curmudgeon, Monday, 20 November 2017 05:32 (ten months ago) Permalink

haha what's with the hashtags?

sounds like a nice evening all in all

niels, Monday, 20 November 2017 07:09 (ten months ago) Permalink

Oops, mistakenly cut and pasted something from my Instagram. I was happy seeing Cale sing and play despite the flaws. A friend, on the other hand, grumbled that the flaws ruined it for him-- He wanted a better band and guests, plus Cale to talk in detail between songs about their history and to acknowledge the audience and the guests with more than just hand gestures. Last year I saw part of an outdoors at Lincoln Center tribute to Lou Reed that Yo La Tengo, Don Fleming , Lenny Kaye and others who seemed much better choices to play VU music. Other than Vile and Polachek, most of the guests with Cale did not seem like the right choices (nervously reading music and altering VU instrumentation and melodies in ways that did not work).

curmudgeon, Monday, 20 November 2017 16:03 (ten months ago) Permalink

with Yo La Tengo not "that"

curmudgeon, Monday, 20 November 2017 16:06 (ten months ago) Permalink

His show of solo material on Saturday was largely wonderful. I kind of knew the VU stuff would be problematic, and decided to skip it. I've heard their songs enough in my life. The new Cale songs, full of samples and noise, largely eclipsed the scattered straight classics that he played. I enjoyed Fear is a Man's Best Briend, but it still sounded like an exercise in nostalgia, where the new tracks were often pretty amazing. Cale walks with some difficulty, but sings and plays strongly. There was something going on with color stains on the musicians' clothing that was hard to follow. But yes, without having seen the first two shows, I'm very happy that I picked the third. Very little talk. He ended with 3 new songs, all of which were extremely good, and the concert ended on a high note. Version of Hedda Gabler was something I won't forget, nor new song Hatred.

nellg, Monday, 20 November 2017 18:31 (ten months ago) Permalink

Hope the solo material shows up on youtube. I saw most of the Lincoln Center VU/Lou tribute streaming live and free somewhere---we discussed it on some other thread---and yeah it was great, cool, powerful, expert, even witty (one of my faves was the Three Mile Island version of "Disco Mystic," with Day-Glo Afro wig girls singing the title and waving protest signs emblazoned with it). Laurie pitched in a couple times too, on her violin, and I suspect she curated (not usually big on that word, but deserved here).

dow, Monday, 20 November 2017 19:16 (ten months ago) Permalink

Has she ever worked with Cale?

dow, Monday, 20 November 2017 19:18 (ten months ago) Permalink

good q, don't think so.

sleeve, Monday, 20 November 2017 19:22 (ten months ago) Permalink

Laurie Anderson and Hal Willner curated the Lincoln Center Tribute to Lou thing together, and production of the outdoor event was handled by Don Fleming (per Will Hermes review of that Aug. 2016 event in Rolling Stone).

Not sure how Cale ended up with the folks he performed with at Brooklyn Academy of Music over the weekend

curmudgeon, Monday, 20 November 2017 19:56 (ten months ago) Permalink

Avey Tare of Animal Collective's sister does his live visuals. May be a connection there.

dan selzer, Monday, 20 November 2017 20:48 (ten months ago) Permalink

heard something about cale playing on an upcoming Animal Collective release too.

tylerw, Monday, 20 November 2017 21:20 (ten months ago) Permalink

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