John Cale S/D

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I've just discovered a treasure-chest of John Cale LPs at the local secondhand dealer. They're all quite cheap, but I need help deciding which ones to get (getting all of them isn't out of the question either). They've got 'Slow Dazzle', 'Music For A New Society', 'Artificial Intelligence', 'Honi Soit', and 'Caribbean Sunset'. Of course, I don't want to limit the S/D to just these albums -am seeking a general Cale S/D.


cnwb (cnwb), Monday, 12 January 2004 04:57 (twenty years ago) link

Out of that batch, I'd grab Slow Dazzle and Honi Soit. Then look elsewhere for Vintage Violence and, most importantly, Paris 1919.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 12 January 2004 05:02 (twenty years ago) link

Slow Dazzle and Music for a New Society are two of Cale´s best. Honi Soit has a couple of great tracks (i.e.dead or alive, Wilson Joilet), but the rest is average.

Hernan, Monday, 12 January 2004 05:45 (twenty years ago) link

Also find Fear somewhere. BTW, there's already a Cale S/D somewhere.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 12 January 2004 06:05 (twenty years ago) link

Carribean Sunset isn't his greatest, but it's definitely unfairly maligned...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 12 January 2004 06:06 (twenty years ago) link

I searched for a Cale S/D before posting my request, but couldn't find one. Apologies if there's already one which I didn't find.

cnwb (cnwb), Monday, 12 January 2004 06:07 (twenty years ago) link

also his album with Terry Riley "Church of Anthrax" is super duper fab. almost all funky, minimalist instrumentals.

Vintage Violence is my fave.

JaXoN (JasonD), Monday, 12 January 2004 06:26 (twenty years ago) link

Fear is my favorite Cale album -- that and the Animal Justice ep.

jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 12 January 2004 07:15 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, the Animal Justice EP. CHICKENSHIT!!!

nickn (nickn), Monday, 12 January 2004 08:07 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone heard the newest one? As with most Cale albums, I didn't expect it to be very good, and then it was.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 12 January 2004 08:09 (twenty years ago) link

His live album, "Fragments of a Rainy Season, is wonderful. I would love to hear him live. It's very stripped down and minimal, mostly just him accompanying himself on piano, yet very strong.

And of course there is "Songs for Drella."

Mary (Mary), Monday, 12 January 2004 08:10 (twenty years ago) link

But this is still the best.

x-post... OTM

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 12 January 2004 08:12 (twenty years ago) link

Paris 1919: lots of nice, gentle folkly numbers, plus the stomping glamrock behemoth that is 'Macbeth'

bham, Monday, 12 January 2004 09:57 (twenty years ago) link

Kenan's absolutely right about Mr Cale's latest one.

I'm not at all familiar with his other albums (the only other thing of his I've got is the "Seducing Down The Door" comp.) but I think "Hobo Sapiens" is wonderful - and it's making me want to explore the rest of his back catalogue further - I was thinking I'd probably start with either "Paris 1919" or "The Island Years"

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 12 January 2004 10:12 (twenty years ago) link

Paris 1919, Music for a New Society and Fragments of a Lonely Season seconded. Then there's a great low-priced double cd comprising all 3 albums he made on Island (Fear, Slow Dazzle & Helen of Troy). I also have Carribean Sunset which I like quite a lot. Certainly not as strong an album as the others but I find opener "Hungry for Love" sublime.

I've been meaning to pick up Hobosapiens but haven't just yet, the 5 Tracks ep which came out a few months earlier is great though and if that's a taster of what the album will be like then it should be great.

x-post: The Island Years is the double album I mentioned.

willem (willem), Monday, 12 January 2004 10:15 (twenty years ago) link

Paris 1919, Music for a New Society - two of the greatest albums ever released by anyone, anywhere

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 12 January 2004 12:44 (twenty years ago) link

Church of Anthrax seconded!

This is actually the only Cale album I own. Did he ever do any other records like this one?

M Carty (mj_c), Monday, 12 January 2004 13:52 (twenty years ago) link

To reiterate bham, the best first port of call is Fragments of a Rainy season. It's a good cross section of his songs done as simply as you could possibly want them. Personally I can't get over the hamball 70's production on a lot of the proper albums, so I tend to go for the Fragments versions.

Paris 1919 is probably the next best to approach, it's gentle and accesible. Somehow I think it's nice to get this one in before going to Church of Anthrax / New Society, which if you heard them completely out-of-the-blue would sound like the flailing piss of a coked-up bag of bellybooze. Which they are. The secret is to learn to love the bag, and that takes a while.

The 80's ones, Carribean Sunset in particular, are shit. Think about it. It's a solo album from a 60's guy in the 80's called Carribean Sunset. More than any of the one's that were mentioned up to go for Fear next. It's got a fairly decent mix of material and the 70's bar-rock boogie is at it's least annoying. Slow Dazzle has it's highlights, as has Honi Soit.

Hobosapiens I still can't get into for some reason. It sounds like your old Geography teacher berating you from the next room about subways and somesuch. I'll reserve my opinion of that as I haven't quite listened to it enough yet.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago) link

Yeh, the new one is not bad.
"Wrong Way Up" with Eno is a good one.

S: Fear; Slow Dazzle: Guts; Paris 1919. (Fear, Slow Dazzle, Helen of Troy, and a few singles were reissued on a twofer called "The Warner Bros. Years" a while back, and it's the way to go.) Paris 1919 is very good indeed but I think "Slow Dazzle" is the greatest John Cale record, sort of brutalist Brian Wilson...

D: Vintage Violence (never liked it except for "Gideon's Bible"); all his '80s shit; all his '90s shit (I do like his last one but it's hardly essential).

I also have three CDs of his early noise stuff in NYC, nice room-clearing music but again hardly essential.

Honi Soit is an honorable attempt at a comeback around '81, and there are some nice moments, but by that time he had really started to lose his voice, and it sounds a bit stillborn. Worth getting for a few bucks.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

And in case you see them in the racks...

Sabotage & Even Cowgirls Get the Blues - Great for die-hard fans, but probably not for beginners.
John Cale is Alive - More accessible, but less good.

Walking on Locusts - I absolutely love this one, but no one else seemed to.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago) link

Vintage Violence is rub yes.

Mid 70s albums terrific, Animal Justice terrific (Hedda Gabler!!!!!), New Society terrific, most other stuff patchy, I am fond of Sabotage but never actually listen to it, Fragments is lovely but I get embarrassed listening to it for personal reasons, I would love to assert that Caribbean Sunset is good but I can't honestly remember anything about it, it's better than Artificial Intelligence though surely.

i.e. what everyone else said.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't like Vintage Violence when I first got it (I expected a more VU-like approach) but I have grown to love it. If you like other stuff give this one a chance.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:43 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't notice Academy In Peril mentioned in this thread.
The reason i'm "mentioning" it m'self here is: said platter could be coming my way, remarkably cheapish too.
Haven't heard it, actually. But intend to pick it up anyway...

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't notice Academy In Peril mentioned in this thread.

I was about to say. They need to fix the star ranking though!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 02:00 (twenty years ago) link

HA!! Checked that AMG entry only last night. And was greatly confused by the bizarro incongruo betwixt yer text and the meagreness of star power granted above it.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 02:11 (twenty years ago) link

I love the tune on Caribbean Sunset with Cale shouting out the chord-changes to the band between lines. If ever you needed evidence that he wasn't particularly focused around that time...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago) link

I dunno, "Academy in Peril" isn't very compelling. Not terrible. Cale was so much better as a pop musician; I really love "Taking It All Away" and "Ski Patrol" and so forth. Chris Spedding is really good on guitar on the classic WB albums.

Christgau is right; the "Peril" track "Days of Steam" does remind of the Ernie Kovacs theme.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 15:52 (twenty years ago) link

Agreed about Academy, but you mean the Island records, eddie. Plus, according to the bang-up job Island did on the reissue of Slow Dazzle, it's "Talking it All Away." Idiots.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 16:08 (twenty years ago) link

I listened to "23 Solo Pieces for La Naissance de L'Amour" last night. I really couldn't tell the difference between it and a Wyndham Hill record on most of the songs... It was far too "pleasant"

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

I'm shocked that Tom doesn't dig 'Vintage Violence' - it's pure pop!

Yeah that 'Island' comp really is terrific - all the hits and none of the shit (well, some) - glad someone mentioned 'Ski Patrol', a real fave of mine

Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 20:40 (twenty years ago) link

i'm a "search: all" kinda guy (i did!).

Sabotage really is a fantastic noise thing on the rock-meets-avant-jazz tip.

Artificial Intelligence is getting way underrated here as pretty-pop.

But orchestral cale hits his peak, as far as i'm concerned, with "words for the dying" which is one of the few where the studio recorded versions so clearly top the fragments... versions.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 00:54 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, I really need to get Hobosapians.

I saw him live in a very small bar like 4-5 years ago, and it was wonderful. A lot like the Fragments of rainy day CD. All he had was a piano and acoustic guitar on some songs and vocals.

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 05:08 (twenty years ago) link

My favorites of his is his collaberations: from the velvet underground albums to "church of anthrax" and "wrong way up" and "songs for drella" and the stuff with tony conrad and la monte young. Also his work with Nico and Nick Drake. Also his one song on Hector Zazou's "Songs of the cold Seas"

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 05:21 (twenty years ago) link

with the patti smith band covering "my generation"!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 06:00 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
the ovation network is running an excellent cale documentary that's making me want to dig out EVERYTHING i own that the man has been involved with. starting with the marble index.

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 04:41 (eighteen years ago) link

That doc is a staple of the ovation channel. I watched it about five times summer of last year- by the end I felt like I understood Welsh.

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 04:55 (eighteen years ago) link

ha, they're showing footage from a show i was at!

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 04:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i wish i understood welsh!

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 04:57 (eighteen years ago) link

The bbc has some pretty good stuff online.

Did you see yourself in the audience?

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 05:00 (eighteen years ago) link

they didn't show the audience, silly. they did show the knitting factory banner.

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 05:05 (eighteen years ago) link

what is the ovation network? where can I see this?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 05:18 (eighteen years ago) link

it's in the bravo/a&e vein of highbrow arts programming.

http://www.ovationtv.com/

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 05:23 (eighteen years ago) link

what actually roped me in right before the cale thing aired was

Hail Bop! –
Whereas the ’80s were fraught with gauche displays of wealth and “conspicuous consumption,” the ’90s fashion houses and museums have made a political statement by shifting toward the pared-down simplicity which has defined the decade. Composer John Adams makes political statements through his work as well, from controversial operas, such as Nixon in China and The Death of Klinghoffer (which deals with the hijacking of the Achille Lauro), to electronic compositions and sometimes minimalist modern orchestrations, still largely considered avant garde by classical music purists. Filmmaker Tony Palmer profiles Adams as he premieres two works commissioned in commemoration of his fiftieth birthday: Gnarly Buttons and Slonimsky’s Earbox.

Next Showing:
Wednesday, November 23 2:00 AM EST

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 05:25 (eighteen years ago) link

If you want to learn a few words of John Cale's mother tongue, here is a link

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link

What's Welsh For Zen is excellent.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

It is. I don't know what I did with my copy. I should have bought another when I saw it at the Strand.

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I love Wrong Way Up

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I loved it at the time - I mean I was excited that Cale & Eno were collaborating (again for the first time)... But I've become less enthusiastic about it over the years. Is the reissue much different? I think the production of the original release may in fact be what I don't like about it.

I'm surprised how many people have cited Honi Soit. I love that record, even as weak as it is.

I recently watched the Drella video on the big screen again .. still fantastic... and the Cale songs are superior, but maybe that's just me being a little sick of Lour Reed.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Lou, lol, roffle.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's a review of Wrong Way Up: http://www.stylusmagazine.com/feature.php?ID=1251

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Hah, I was just about to post another video from this same exact YouTube user, because he was standing right next to me! He recorded the whole show, and I asked him if he was going to upload it, and he told me the name of his channel. This was the highlight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5TBw9fslBw

At the end, when he was walking out (no encore due to curfew), he looked right at me as I kept applauding, and he came over to the edge of the stage and applauded back! Then he looked up to the crowd, waved, and then headed off stage. I was floating on the air and stayed up listening to Cale records until 4 a.m.

FWIW, this was Cale's first time back in NYC since his two BAM shows in 2017 (one celebrating the 50th anniversary of VU & Nico with an amazing line-up of guests, the other a career retrospective). I was at both of those shows, which I hope were recorded and get released someday. They had a no-phones policy, which a few people broke but I didn't want to risk getting thrown out - I just snuck a few quick 2-second videos and saved them somewhere.

birdistheword, Sunday, 20 August 2023 19:33 (six months ago) link

(Besides applauding, I may have stood out to Cale because I was the only person wearing a mask - COVID's starting to spike again here in NYC, and I actually know two people whose fathers died from COVID this summer even though they were vaccinated. It's amazing how almost no one is bothering to take any safety precautions.)

birdistheword, Sunday, 20 August 2023 19:35 (six months ago) link

* floating on air

birdistheword, Sunday, 20 August 2023 19:37 (six months ago) link

wow that "Hedda Gabler" is great

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 20 August 2023 20:00 (six months ago) link

xxxpost Yeah, it still happens: for instance, Graham Nash and Veronique Sanson said that David Crosby died of Covid, but doesn't seem to have been widely reported. Here in the Deep South, I do see Black adults of various age groups masking, and some (fewer) young and old whites, not many in between. I carry one, or have it around my neck, in case I'm unexpectedly close to someone, in a line or the rows of library computers, while avoiding crowds. Haven't been to a show in quite a while, but would consider it for Cale.

dow, Sunday, 20 August 2023 21:24 (six months ago) link

hey bird, i was the *other* person in the venue with a mask. it sounds like you were close up though. i was way back on the hill. where it still sounded great and we had a nice view of the visuals.

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 20 August 2023 22:09 (six months ago) link

i think this might have been cale's only show in the usa this tour. it looks like he's headed back to the uk.

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 20 August 2023 22:46 (six months ago) link

That's good you're seeing more people wear them, dow. Hopefully it catches on more - did you see that Guardian interview with Steve Albini posted in another thread? It opens with Albini coming in double-masked, which he pulled down only to sip his drink, and he tells the interviewer two of his clients recently cancelled sessions due to getting Covid. I just had a brunch a week or two ago without someone who was sick with Covid a few weeks earlier and said it had been bad. I have elderly relatives I interact with every now and then, so I try to be careful regardless - wearing a mask is like a nothing gesture to me, it actually helps with my allergies so I mind it even less.

And good for you Freud, solidarity! Truth be told, the very back is actually the best spot in terms of sound. I found this out years ago when I went to see a Wilco show - to my surprise I didn't need any earplugs, and not only was the volume perfect, the mix sounded perfect too, with every instrument and especially the vocals sounding crystal clear. It may even be a prime spot for taping if there isn't too much talking around.

Also forgot how intense the audience can be at these shows. Before Tomberlin came on, I overheard a guy ask someone in front of him "would it be okay if you took your hat off?" etc. and the response was "Actually I can't...I have a medical condition" to which the other guy responded "Oh, well I hope you make it through the night!" which obviously didn't go over well.

birdistheword, Sunday, 20 August 2023 22:51 (six months ago) link

not to turn this into the masking thread but they say if you get covid then the odds of getting long covid are ~10 percent, which to me is huge. long covid sounds deceidedly unpleasant, is uncureable, could be permanent, and could involve brain damage (for which "brain fog" is a friendly euphemism). the odds may be even higher for me personally -- a flu i had years ago triggered my alopecia, and since then i have been hairless from tip to toe ("alopecia universalis" to get technical). i am not interested in finding out what covid would do to me.

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 20 August 2023 23:34 (six months ago) link

Back to John Cale—- saw him at a BAM gig in Brooklyn , but didn’t make it up there this time for the Park gig. Thanks for videos . Wish he would do more US cities.

curmudgeon, Monday, 21 August 2023 16:11 (six months ago) link

Cale's voice still seems to be in great shape

tylerw, Monday, 21 August 2023 16:37 (six months ago) link

wow @ that bowed electric bass in that clip

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Monday, 21 August 2023 18:10 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

hello I am Vintage Violence years old today <3

BIG WHITE CLOUDS are you kidding me

the way Cale writes about this album gives you zero preparation for what it is. he’s like oh its extremely simplistic i was just trying some things like ok sure you humble-ass motherfucker lol

~sneezes a picasso into a kleenex nbd~

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 02:18 (three months ago) link

yeah vintage violence is top-tier

ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 02:56 (three months ago) link

it's so fucking good

budo jeru, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 02:58 (three months ago) link

gorgeous

gives me a vibe of Odessa-era Bee Gees in the best way? maybe just his voice or something but man

plus The Band-adjacent country style is so good

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 03:04 (three months ago) link

yeah. i've always kind of thought of it as his "loaded"

budo jeru, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 03:32 (three months ago) link

it's very psychey-pop for sure in parts - cleo in particular <3

fpsa, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 04:24 (three months ago) link

is there any song as good as Gideon's Bible?! No there is not it is the best song ever

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 14:45 (three months ago) link

The chorus on Gideon’s Bible from Vintage Violence is 4 stars

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 14:53 (three months ago) link

Won't you help me sneeze, I've caught a cold.

The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 14:57 (three months ago) link

One of the songs where you can really see Cale's Beach Boys love.

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 14:59 (three months ago) link

xxpost yeah Gideons Bible is amazing

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 15:36 (three months ago) link

Won't you help me sneeze, I've caught a cold.


I do love the slide guitar on this beauty. The whole albums shimmers in its own unique way

brimstead, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 15:51 (three months ago) link

the opening track is so delightful, just a lovely Hello There wave from Cale
it was so unexpected!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 18:07 (three months ago) link

For some reason my streaming service is obsessed with Gideon's Bible, when I shuffle stuff at random it always plays and its fine I like it but it does seem weird giving my listening habits that the algorithm has latched on to this particular song "oh dude loves Gideon's Bible let's play it again!"

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 19:16 (three months ago) link

on a side note
Am reading Whats Welsh For Zen and was not prepared for his neanderthal views of women and/or physical violence. Tough going. Obv the music stuff is interesting but his dispassionate telling of his marriages & his own truly awful behavior like he’s talking about a walk to the shops really does my head in.

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 November 2023 20:03 (three months ago) link

yah hes a legendary asshole

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 16 November 2023 20:09 (three months ago) link

annoyed at myself for going in wide-eyed but oh well

pray for me

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 November 2023 20:20 (three months ago) link

he just killed a chicken & threw the head into the crowd

._.

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 November 2023 20:23 (three months ago) link

it’s a selling point of the book that he talks about stuff in a frank matter of fact way but it was horrifying to read him describing smashing his gf’s teeth with a whiskey glass and then just sort of breezing on to the next anecdote

Boris Yitsbin (wins), Thursday, 16 November 2023 20:28 (three months ago) link

yeah horrifying

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 November 2023 20:30 (three months ago) link

The chicken incident did result in a good, funny (assholish) song

Boris Yitsbin (wins), Thursday, 16 November 2023 20:38 (three months ago) link

There's a weird disconnect between the blithe way he describes some of his misdeeds, mostly from his alcohol and drug era, and the insightful introspection of other parts of the book.

The chorus on Gideon’s Bible from Vintage Violence is 4 stars

My favourite bit is the fadeout, with the viola coming in, like the end of a credit sequence in some forgotten urban 1970 movie.

Fans of "roots" John Cale should give a listen to his unloved 1996 album Walking on Locusts. It features one of his all-time best songs, "Secret Corrida" (which is more Leonard Cohen than Americana).

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 16 November 2023 20:45 (three months ago) link

Just came across a good interview---didn't realize he wrote so much in the studio, and was so into improvising there---this part is striking as well, on VU gigs with the Mothers:

...the only reason Zappa was on those gigs was that Herb Cohen knew that he'd get all this publicity from Andy and us. The thing is about Frank, that was reinforced years after I saw him, is that he had a very acerbic wit, which was kind of enjoyable, but at the same time, I really can't say there was anything about his music or him that made me love music. There was something about him, I think it was a real deep-seeded anger and fury about being forced to learn music in the first place - there was a revenge factor there - but it made me very uncomfortable watching him. There was so much putting down of himself that wasn't pleasant. I lost the gleam of innocence that you get from somebody really enjoying a melody or a solo or anything like that. And he could rip off [play, not pilfer] all these incredible solos, and you knew the guy had tremendous talent, but there was never anything there that made me love music so I'd want to do it. The reason you're doing this is to show how people how exciting and enjoyable this is. It's a shared experience. People shouldn't be punished for sharing an experience.

---from the Oklahoma Daily:
https://www.oudaily.com/interview-with-john-cale/article_ede0d7c9-ebb8-5745-a974-e937d103ad84.html

dow, Friday, 17 November 2023 04:35 (three months ago) link

Didn’t Zappa famously mock Nico from the side of the stage, pretending to play organ and making pained singing faces?

Shifty Henry’s Swing Club (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 November 2023 06:00 (three months ago) link

Oh worse than that, he went up on stage and actually played her organ and sang some moronic lyrics not much different from his usual output.

Shifty Henry’s Swing Club (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 November 2023 06:47 (three months ago) link

He did play "All Tomorrow's Parties" when the BBC gave him a radio show to play his favourite music. Along with some other surprising choices (the UK Subs!) Zappa that is, not Cale. He was still an asshole though of course.

The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Friday, 17 November 2023 09:41 (three months ago) link

Right, forgot about that. The ATP part that is, not the other part.

Shifty Henry’s Swing Club (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 November 2023 10:55 (three months ago) link

Also that thing I posted brings up something I never thought about, comparing the different flavors of control that FZ and AW bring to the table and what may lie behind each.

Shifty Henry’s Swing Club (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 November 2023 13:09 (three months ago) link

three months pass...

Wiesbaden? John Cale, the lost years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L24Ix6dDoNw

The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Sunday, 25 February 2024 11:22 (six hours ago) link

lol the mic came right off the cord, amazing footage

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Sunday, 25 February 2024 16:39 (one hour ago) link

Fun fact, he had a real problem with cocaine. Who would have guessed?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 25 February 2024 16:45 (one hour ago) link

Ha, did you read that James Young book?

The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 February 2024 16:49 (one hour ago) link

Nico book? I haven't. I can only imagine.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 25 February 2024 16:51 (one hour ago) link

It’s great. Very funny too.

The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 February 2024 17:03 (fifty-six minutes ago) link

Interviews where the singer confuses Wiesbaden with Darmstadt.

The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Sunday, 25 February 2024 17:13 (forty-six minutes ago) link

the first Fluxus concert was in Wiesbaden. Maciunas organized and Nam June Paik performed a Young composition, see around 3:50 here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YibFHWZ66GQ

bulb after bulb, Sunday, 25 February 2024 17:48 (eleven minutes ago) link

Ah right, I assumed he meant Darmstat, apologies to John CoCale.

The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Sunday, 25 February 2024 17:55 (four minutes ago) link


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