The Necks - Drive By; Classic or Dud?

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Extraordinary record. Who'd have thought three Australians who meet up once a year could make such a sound? Ned, if you don't know this I'd recommedn seeking it out, and anyone else who likes quietly miasmic drone and groove. Bass, drums, keys/piano/FX, one track, 60 minutes, heaven.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 10 January 2004 23:16 (twenty years ago) link

i know they all sound different to one degree or another, but does anyone need more than like three necks records?

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 January 2004 23:21 (twenty years ago) link

I wouldn't imagine so.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 10 January 2004 23:23 (twenty years ago) link

Actually three's being really generous. I'd say two.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 10 January 2004 23:24 (twenty years ago) link

Specifically the two I have.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 10 January 2004 23:24 (twenty years ago) link

How do Lloyd Swanton's fingersnot fall off, playing the same bassline for 60 minutes?!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 10 January 2004 23:26 (twenty years ago) link

New Necks

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 10 January 2004 23:58 (twenty years ago) link

i have ten and need them all*

i havent listened to a couple of them and another couple only once.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 11 January 2004 00:01 (twenty years ago) link

The Necks are way better live than on record. You don't get the full sense of the way they use harmonics and overtones to structure the improvisations when you're not actually in the room with them, a la Glenn Branca or Charlemagne Palestine. Even when they're playing in some snooty jazz club like Pizza Express (venue for their London shows a few months ago) it's still an ecstatic experience.

Their studio albums tend to be different from the live albums too in the use of overdubs and crossfades, but do you really need ten of their albums jed?!

udu wudu (udu wudu), Sunday, 11 January 2004 00:27 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, if you don't know this I'd recommedn seeking it out

Hmm. The name isn't familiar, must have passed me by. So Jess, what would you recommend from 'em?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 11 January 2004 00:33 (twenty years ago) link

but do you really need ten of their albums jed?!

probably not - i was searching for drive-by and found a guy (girl?) who had about 5 of their records i hadnt heard - ive yet to listen to some of them.

Ned try out this -part 2 is incredible.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 11 January 2004 00:39 (twenty years ago) link

I'm beginning to think I have heard these guys, got an mp3 around or something. Hm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 11 January 2004 00:41 (twenty years ago) link

I heard a live set (2 songs split by intermission) on Radio 3's mixing it. i believe it is archived at the bbc site. both songs were facking amazing.

scottjames23 (worrysome-man), Sunday, 11 January 2004 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

its linked in my post above.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 11 January 2004 02:02 (twenty years ago) link

Extraordinary record. Who'd have thought three Australians who meet up once a year could make such a sound?

Yeah, who would have thought? Stupid inbred, convict, philistine colonials, etc.

OCP (OCP), Sunday, 11 January 2004 09:01 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah cos that's utterly what I meant, rather than the fact that Australia has no renown for jazz/ambient/post-postrock. The once a year thing being more key than the Australian. Jesus.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 11 January 2004 10:13 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah cos that's utterly what I meant, rather than the fact that Australia has no renown for jazz/ambient/post-postrock.

Well, I'm not sure that's entirely true! See: Oren Ambarchi, Pimmon, Alan Lamb (and the rest of the Dorobo stuff), The Dirty Three... probably many more I can't think of right now (and I don't know shit about jazz, but I do know that Aussie jazz is quite sought after by hip-hop producers.)

also: Snawklor are not terribly well known, but have an incredible record of processed field recordings meet high pitched bleepy bits... like Francisco Lopez meets Parmegiani and Autechre meets er, field recordings of the Merri Creek. But better. Check http://www.mdos.at/recorddetail.php?id=5003

OCP (OCP), Sunday, 11 January 2004 10:56 (twenty years ago) link

p.s. I just read that MDOS link to the Snawklor review and...oddly, they chose pretty much the same reference points as I did. But yes. Not ripping it off, I swear!

OCP (OCP), Sunday, 11 January 2004 10:59 (twenty years ago) link

Of those bands I've heard of Dirty Three alone. My intial reference to The Neck's nationality was not in any way a slight, and I'm confused that it could be seen as such. It was merely an incidental bit of context; they could be from America or Belgium or Russia or the Yemen or Wales or Liberia for all it matters. To jump on that statement as if it's a pejorative implies a defensiveness that can only contribute towards furthering the impressions it tries to overthrow. Fact remains that if you say "Australian music" to people who are not in Australia or very much acquinated with the scenes prevelent over there, then people think of The Vines and Jet. Shouting people down for talking about The Necks isn't going to change that.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 11 January 2004 11:11 (twenty years ago) link

if you say "Australian music" to people who are not in Australia or very much acquinated with the scenes prevelent over there, then people think of The Vines and Jet.

This is the most depressing thing I've read here all week.

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Sunday, 11 January 2004 11:44 (twenty years ago) link

To jump on that statement as if it's a pejorative implies a defensiveness that can only contribute towards furthering the impressions it tries to overthrow.

hahahaha

Of those bands I've heard of Dirty Three alone.

Well, that suggests that you're not really into "jazz/ambient/post-postrock" as they're all quite well known.

my original post was a bit of a joke, but I'm inclined to stand by the argument that your reference to the band's nationality has more to do with lingering colonial stigma than it does 'context.'

Fact remains that if you say "Australian music" to people who are not in Australia or very much acquinated with the scenes prevelent over there

I think we've drifted away from the issue at hand here!

OCP (OCP), Sunday, 11 January 2004 11:46 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, there's some Necks in that package of CD-Rs that I sent ya before the holidays.

Aquatic and Sex are classic. Silent Night was less intoxicating and I rarely listen to Hanging Gardens or Aether. Passed on the 4CD box so I'll need more convincing to check out Drive By.

doug watson (solid air), Sunday, 11 January 2004 11:55 (twenty years ago) link

Well it's either that or Midnight Oil. I'm not a rugby fan, if that's what's pissing you off.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 11 January 2004 11:56 (twenty years ago) link

Hanging Gardens is their materpeice, i think.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 11 January 2004 12:35 (twenty years ago) link

Well if you want to listen to some great Australian improvised music try The Catholics, Ten Part Invention, Mike Nock, Louis Burdett, Dale Barlow, the great Sandy Evans, and the imperious Bernie McGann. And all the others whose names I will forget after clicking Submit

Whodathort

mentalist (mentalist), Sunday, 11 January 2004 13:27 (twenty years ago) link

I shall burn in hell for not being more aware of an improv/postrock/ambient/jazz scene on the other side of the world, obviously.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 11 January 2004 13:34 (twenty years ago) link

obviously!

:)

OCP (OCP), Sunday, 11 January 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, there's some Necks in that package of CD-Rs that I sent ya before the holidays.

Yes, and it just occurred to me that there was such a disc this morning! I listened to it the other day but had forgotten the name of the band, and it was indeed a very enjoyable and entrancing listen. Thanks!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 11 January 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

after a couple of listens Drive-By definately isn't on par with Hanging Gardens, Sex, or Aether.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 11 January 2004 20:25 (twenty years ago) link

I've listened to Hanging Gardens, Aether and Piano Bass Drums today, as well as Drive By again (that makes four fucking hours of my Sunday!!?), and I like Drive By best, definitely. This may be because I've come to it first, as is so often the case. Review of it up on Stylus tomorrow, I believe.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 11 January 2004 20:36 (twenty years ago) link

Try out part 2 of that mixing it set, the percussion is amazing. Maybe not today though.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 11 January 2004 20:42 (twenty years ago) link

ehehehehehehe...

I'm gonna be on a strict diet of Busted for a while, I think.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 11 January 2004 20:50 (twenty years ago) link

also i heard hanging gardens first and like that most.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 11 January 2004 20:50 (twenty years ago) link

i'm listening to their soundtrack to "the boys" right now. creepy stuff. did that movie make it out of australia?

mullygrubber (gaz), Sunday, 11 January 2004 21:09 (twenty years ago) link

I expect that just about every country has strong scenes in improv, it's just inevitable that smaller places/scenes get subsumed by the the US and UK especially. Most artists who want a higher profile inevitably have to leave their own shores for the recognition. And even deny they're beer swilling Aussie slobs : )

mentalist (mentalist), Sunday, 11 January 2004 23:55 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
which things shd i get?

---- (nordicskilla), Monday, 11 April 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Drive By (groovey), Aether (ambient), Piano Bass Drums (jazzy) and Hanging Garden (faster groovey almost dancey) are the ones I've kept (first two bought properly, second two downloaded). I had some other downloaded but wasn't massively impressed. Like Jess said, you probably don't really need more than two.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 11 April 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

"sex" is very good and in the same vein as "hanging Gardens".

jed_ (jed), Monday, 11 April 2005 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Sex is about the only one I couldn't find to download - understandably the term turned up LOTS of results on slsk that weren't what I was after.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 11 April 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

i'll try to YSI it in the next day or so - keep yr eye on the thread.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 11 April 2005 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Hanging Gardens is sick. I'd love to know exactly how the drums were recorded (i.e. how much sequencing, if any).

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 6 July 2006 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

Saw this getting love on the DJ Sprinkles and Friendly Fires threads. Listening now.

Piano and drums interplay is lovely.

Tannenbaum Schmidt, Thursday, 23 July 2009 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link

i too was introduced to this by that thread and have to agree, fantastic piece of music.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 23 July 2009 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link

same here... loving this.

mr. me too (rockapads), Thursday, 23 July 2009 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Have listened to barely anything else but Hanging Gardens & Chemist over the last few days. Fucking awesome, awesome, awesome music. If anything Chemist is a little unsatisfying because, as three 20 minute pieces, I almost feel like I want a full hour from each track!

I can't make my face turn into a heart (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:03 (fourteen years ago) link

i'd love to see these guys live

on record i keep finding myself finding functional uses for them: videogames, running, etc - anything where i have to perform a series of repetitive actions and that's the point

i mean i don't really listen to it in itself so much

thomp, Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I guess that's true; however, that functional aspect to the way I consume their music means I end up listening to it an awful lot - like today, I'm working from home editing some web copy and arranging meetings & projects via email, and I've had them on pretty solidly since this morning. Every so often I airdrum along for a moment, but yeah, they're not gonna make me dance or sing along.

I can't make my face turn into a heart (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:22 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah

i mean, that's precisely why i want to see them live: to get forced into a kind of zone of attention that doesn't work like that

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anyone heard any other stuff with these three playing on it, but not as the necks? they're meant to have played on 43,000 albums between them or whatever after all

thomp, Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:30 (fourteen years ago) link

One of their shows at the Big Ears festival was the three of them plus Ned Rothenberg, but specifically billed as Rothenberg/Buck/Abrahams/Swanton, I guess to emphasize equal footing between the four of them, rather than "Rothenberg + backing band" or "Necks + guest". Not sure if that was what you're thinking of.

Beanbag the Gardener (WmC), Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link

are they involved w/ pivot?

just sayin, Thursday, 30 July 2009 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...

A heads-up that the Necks are performing in collaboration with Brian Eno, Karl Hyde and a couple of other dudes at the Brighton Festival in May. It's something called 'Pure Scenius' that they premiered in Sydney last year - anyone here go and see that or know much about it?

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Thursday, 25 February 2010 11:04 (fourteen years ago) link

are they involved w/ pivot?

read this as: 'are they involved with pot'

thomp, Thursday, 25 February 2010 11:14 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...
one year passes...

Finally picked up Drive By after seeing you gush over that record for a while - Quite like it after two listens but did not expect it to be so, err, "tasteful". Seemed like would well as sort of bland trendy background music

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 18 January 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link

Necks fans, do check out the live album Athenaeum, Homebush, Quay & Raab (2002). As someone who discovered and listened to the Necks obsessively in September and October, I think the Quay and Raab sets may be the best things they ever recorded.

dancing cortical homunculus (Sanpaku), Sunday, 18 January 2015 20:21 (nine years ago) link

xp
You should also try Sex, Piano Bass Drums and Hanging Gardens, heck just all of their shit. I could understand someone expecting them to sound like Big Fun era Miles and coming away disappointed but fuck "bland trendy background music"!

I loved their last album Open as well, Sanpaku. They are one of them evergreen bands for me, Sex is from '89 and still it sounds oddly timeless, it could have been released 20 years later and would still sound like a singularly amazing band doing what they do.

xelab, Sunday, 18 January 2015 20:40 (nine years ago) link

Classic classic classic

Call the Cops, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 10:24 (nine years ago) link

but fuck "bland trendy background music"

Yeah don't get me wrong - I meant more that it could pass for "bland trendy background music" if not paying attention
Anyway, this has grown on me dramatically once i started playing it on a real hi-fi instead of my car's shitty stereo

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 10:27 (nine years ago) link

Been on a big Aether tip lately.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 12:13 (nine years ago) link

Listening to this band on anything but a good hi-fi is a complete waste.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 12:14 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, the live box, Aether, Silverwater, and Mindset are the masterpieces and most essential IMO. The latter three studio albums are the least typical, most colorful and successfully experimental works. The live box sees the band in peak form, doing their thing at the highest level. Great, great band.

liam fennell, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 12:54 (nine years ago) link

Is anyone else doing anything like The Necks? I sorta felt like the last Bohren & der Club of Gore album had a similar 'glacially unfolding' thing going on, albeit with a much different end result, and someone recently told me that if I liked The Necks, I'd like Dawn of Midi, who I haven't heard.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 14:17 (nine years ago) link

Someone told me the same thing about dawn of midi. Need to dig in to them more but it might not be too far off.

tylerw, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 14:27 (nine years ago) link

I found Dawn of Midi to sound a lot more clinical/dry and less exciting (though that is certainly not the right word ....), but I only dug in for a couple of songs. The approach did seem similar in intent though. I should probably spend more time with it.

grandavis, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link

i remember my parents comparing this record to water torture once

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 14:36 (nine years ago) link

I get that, it's very "nice" music but you gotta listen to it. otherwise (much like other "bold italic OUT music I think my parents would like") it can be irritating

brimstead, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 01:15 (nine years ago) link

I love that Dawn Of Midi album; it is similar but only similar; they're trying to sound like machines much more than The Necks do.

The Nisennenmondai album from last year, N, is also kidn of similar, but perhaps more drone-based; 3 tracks, 45-minutes, essentially the same thing repeatrepeatrepeating.

Mindset is the one I've enjoyed least. Chemist is a favourite of mine, but Drive By, Open, and Aether are my favourites. Not heard Sex or Piano Bass Drums in years; not heard the live box.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 14:04 (nine years ago) link

Did not dig that Nisennenmondai album at all, so if Dawn of Midi is anything like that, I probably won't enjoy it. I'll report back.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 22:54 (nine years ago) link

The Dawn Of Midi is nowt like the Nisennenmondai.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 22 January 2015 11:17 (nine years ago) link

DoM is dots and N is lines.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 22 January 2015 11:17 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Thought I'd share a Polish group whose new album reminds me of the mantric appeal of the Necks. Guitar/bass/drums, but its like a Necks soundtrack to a post apocalyptic Western.

Lotto - Elite Feline (bandcamp):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErG7vJ-L5-M

Abandon hype all ye who enter here (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 14:55 (seven years ago) link


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