Ok . MORE Arthur Russell (But This Is Great)

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Just stumbled across this super duper article:


BTW. I just got a copy of "24 24 Music" by Dinosaur l and I think that this should be at the forefront of the Arthur Russell releases just coming out. I mean - it absolutely nails ,/em> the whole NY disco/No Wave thing infinitely better than, say, Liquid Liquid. It's a fantastic record. Is anyone reissuing this?!

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Saturday, 10 January 2004 06:33 (fifteen years ago) link

Sorry. Didn't mean to italicize that entire sentence.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Saturday, 10 January 2004 06:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Ok. no more posting to ILM whilst "tipsy". I promise.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Saturday, 10 January 2004 06:36 (fifteen years ago) link

dan seltzer mentioned the possibility of this to me recently, so fingers crossed

mullygrubber (gaz), Saturday, 10 January 2004 06:48 (fifteen years ago) link

well, if Audika and Sould Jazz don't do it for some reason, and I can't get anyone to let Acute do it, I'll gladly, as I said, make CD-r copies of it for whomever. I think I said recently, it coulda been so cool, a Dinosaur CD with 24-24, the Go Bang mixes and Kiss Me Again, a Loose Joints CD w/ Is It All Over, Pop Your Funk, etc and so forth. I've just been to busy w/ current projects and the actual job that pays the actual bills to be as aggressive as I'd like to be with pursuing reissues...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 10 January 2004 07:19 (fifteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
Did 24-24 ever get a proper release?

adam... (nordicskilla), Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link

I just ordered WORLD OF ECHO. Also, Arthur plays cello on a bunch of tracks (some of which also feature Bob Dylan)on the Allen Ginsberg box

don, Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Has anybody heard the Necessaries? Did they make any records w/Arthur Russell on keyboards?

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link

there is an lp with arthur on it. i didn't really like it.

he also appears on a couple of peter zummo albums ('song iv' by russell and zummo is one of my fave things ever), and on a jill kroesen album (which i love but it's hard to hear arthur).

stirmonster, Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link

thanks. will search for zummo and jill kroesen. her name rings a bell, perhaps an early 80s nyc new-music type.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link

hes also on the bonus cut on mimi's cd soak.

bulbs (bulbs), Sunday, 21 November 2004 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link

I had the Necessaries' "Walking And Driving At The Same Time" on my once-blog a few months ago. Best thing on that album. Here's a description.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 22 November 2004 01:04 (fourteen years ago) link

The Necessaries aren't that good. I want the Dinosaur album bad.

Sonny, Ah!!1 (Sonny A.), Monday, 22 November 2004 01:56 (fourteen years ago) link

me too.

bulbs (bulbs), Monday, 22 November 2004 02:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Walking and Driving is the one song on the album where you can really tell Arthur's involved. I played it at my Arthur Russell tribute night a few years ago(remember...) and Tom Lee came into the booth, introduced himself and told me how impressed/suprised I was that I dug that record out.

The Peter Zummo record I have, Zummo with an X, is a must for Russell fans, I don't think he get's credit as composer, but with him playing cello and singing, it's pretty damn Arthur Russell!

finally got the World of Echo reissue today, haven't watched the DVD yet, but it's a beautiful package.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 22 November 2004 03:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I got mine too!! For $23! It's going for $45 on Amazon!!

adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 22 November 2004 03:55 (fourteen years ago) link

totally forgot - also check peter gordon's 'Innocent' lp. arthur's 'that hat' is sublime.

stirmonster, Monday, 22 November 2004 05:39 (fourteen years ago) link

What ONE Arthur Russell track should I download?

Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:40 (fourteen years ago) link

21.99 at Other Music!

there is no ONE song, he performed in too many different styles.

I'd say two of the tracks that appear on Disco Not Disco, the 6 min edit of Kiss Me Again and Tell You Today.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 22 November 2004 06:12 (fourteen years ago) link

i'd say lets go swimming, the walter gibbons mix.

bulbs (bulbs), Monday, 22 November 2004 08:28 (fourteen years ago) link

actually i'd say a kid like you.

bulbs (bulbs), Monday, 22 November 2004 08:33 (fourteen years ago) link

i love his voice

bulbs (bulbs), Monday, 22 November 2004 08:33 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm glad that people in Newcastle, UK are so not with it that I got 24/24 Music for fifty pence (although I had to pay five pounds for the first ESG 12".)

It's almost unbelivable that 24/24 isn't readily available on CD. It shows that there is still a big gulf between rock reissues and those of other genres, esp. dance stuff, where it could be said that reissues are even more crucial bcz a lot of important/excellent stuff never came out on LPs in the first place.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 22 November 2004 13:07 (fourteen years ago) link

The Peter Zummo record I have, Zummo with an X, is a must for Russell fans, I don't think he get's credit as composer, but with him playing cello and singing, it's pretty damn Arthur Russell!

Gee, Dan. You still owe me a trade for that Tower Of Meaning CD from a while back! *hint*

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...
I've been trying to track down Tower of Meaning, 24-24, and some more of his stuff with Zummo (I only have Experimenting With Household Chemicals.) Anyone on slsk/want to arrange a trade by mail?

stephen morris (stephen morris), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link

that article is awkwardly written and a little tired, but HE certanily isn't, he's great! haven't listened to much World of Echo yet. My favorite song of his right now is probably Another Thought. i used to love it when he talked about love etc. but now I love it when he talks about the ocean.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link

what's on Tower of Meaning?

am i the only one that has (has heard) Instrumentals? it's trés boring

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:16 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i have that jaXon. and i agree.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link

did you finally get "24 24 music" from dan? is it fantastic? is there a lot of stuff that didn't make it to World of?

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link

no :( i never got it. hey have you heard that tiger stripes 12"? its siano but russells fingerprints are all over it.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link

I bet I'd love "Instrumentals", I LOVE boring music

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Friday, 10 June 2005 02:02 (fourteen years ago) link

while at the emp, i learned that tim lawrence, who wrote love saves the day. is current working on a russell biog.

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 10 June 2005 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link

I didn't remember that, sorry.

I think one of the pieces on instrumentals is incredibly beautiful. The rest of it isn't nearly as interesting. You know the one, if you've heard it.

There's absolutely a few cool cuts on 24-24 that didn't make it to World of, and remember that the versions of World Of are the remixes, right? The Francois K version of Go Bang vs. the 24-24 version. I have to check that these are different. I recall the album versions being looser. But there's 1 song that totally ROCKS. I'll computerize and post it sometime soon.

Don't forget to aim yr slsk or actual shopping tools at the Loft box-set for it's original version of Is It All Over My Face, recorded as a 13 min hippie disco jam.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:23 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Great interview (courtesy Danny Wang) with Steven Hall, AR's guitarist friend here.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I like how Steven Hall says Arthur was incredibly forward, and propositioned him the first time they met.

Confounded (Confounded), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 21:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Funny how AR hung out at the Ninth Circle bar, which Danny Krivit says (in this same issue of Keep On) was owned by his dad! This Steven Hall interview is definitely one of the best re: Russell I've read yet.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link

ok, i had to yousend this for someone else so i thought i'd post this link here. for me, this is one of the holy grails of arthur's music. i have listened to this so many times and yet i still hear something new each time. it is from a peter zummo lp called 'zummo with an x' and is a 20 minute russell / zummo collaboration featuring trombone, cello, tabla, arthur murmuring and echo. i think this is possibly thee definition of sublime. it is listed on the sleeve as part 4 of 6 and i live in hope that one day the other 5 parts will see the light of day.


stirmonster (stirmonster), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I found that record at the WFMU record fair in an "art music/downtown" type crate, and still paid some 25 bucks for it. Really beautiful.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:46 (fourteen years ago) link

thank you jd!

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:13 (fourteen years ago) link

omg thanks twitch this is gorgeous

(so did 24-24 ever get a commercial release or what?)

strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:40 (fourteen years ago) link


Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:42 (fourteen years ago) link

seventeen minutes in and LOVING this. sublime is right.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:44 (fourteen years ago) link

thx stirmonster!

wow this is great!

i'ven never heard arthur russell before....is it all this cool? sweet....

Doesn't M@tt He1geson Deserve A Cool, Funny Login Name? (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:57 (fourteen years ago) link

wow matt go buy the world of... RIGHT NOW (nb: may contain upwards of 50% disco)

strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:59 (fourteen years ago) link

will do....

i ain't scurred of a lil' disco!

Doesn't M@tt He1geson Deserve A Cool, Funny Login Name? (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:00 (fourteen years ago) link

late last year, dustygroove had boots of 24-24 music, which is about as close as you can get, i reckon.
not sure of the legal situation reissuing it, but i would think Audika could do something about it. i know they are working on the orchestral stuff right now, along with another project.

Beta (abeta), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:16 (fourteen years ago) link

thanks for the track

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Stirmonster you roxxx!

Gerard (Gerard), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Cheers Stirmonster! This track is exquisite!

LRJP! (LRJP!), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Merci, twitch!

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll upload it overnight and post the link tomorrow.

Kat Slater Slag meme. (jed_), Thursday, 26 October 2017 22:40 (one year ago) link

thanks. I subscribed on iTunes just for this but was too late for the d/l if there ever was one

Jeff W, Thursday, 26 October 2017 22:42 (one year ago) link

There was for a bit.

Kat Slater Slag meme. (jed_), Thursday, 26 October 2017 22:43 (one year ago) link

As far as I can tell they changed it because they didn't want unreleased tracks to be available at a decent quality. I get and don't get the politics of that but I can't imagine it would apply to anyone here, regardless.

Kat Slater Slag meme. (jed_), Thursday, 26 October 2017 22:45 (one year ago) link

thank you thank you. this mix is incredible.

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 26 October 2017 22:59 (one year ago) link

That old Beats In Space show with Ted Knutsen is a gem as well

in twelve parts (lamonti), Friday, 27 October 2017 08:12 (one year ago) link

Steve right?

dan selzer, Friday, 27 October 2017 13:22 (one year ago) link

Steve! Yeah, it is great — that hip hop remix is awesome. Is there any more of that kinda thing floating around?

tylerw, Friday, 27 October 2017 13:59 (one year ago) link

sorry, I forgot to post the link, here it is an an mp3

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Friday, 27 October 2017 20:49 (one year ago) link


Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Friday, 27 October 2017 20:49 (one year ago) link

thank, man!

tylerw, Friday, 27 October 2017 22:24 (one year ago) link

Thanks so much Jed

albvivertine, Friday, 27 October 2017 23:21 (one year ago) link

you're welcome!

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Friday, 27 October 2017 23:39 (one year ago) link

xp doh sorry Steve Knutsen, Audika dude.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Saturday, 28 October 2017 08:20 (one year ago) link

Jed you legend <3

Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 28 October 2017 19:37 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Just got a bandcamp notification about a new album called Iowa Dream. One song, “You Did It Yourself”, available now.

Jeff W, Friday, 4 October 2019 15:10 (two weeks ago) link

brilliant news. love the track. thanks!

What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Friday, 4 October 2019 15:22 (two weeks ago) link

Can't wait to hear this!

Maresn3st, Friday, 4 October 2019 17:17 (two weeks ago) link

Presumably this is from a forthcoming album?

I am using your worlds, Friday, 4 October 2019 17:20 (two weeks ago) link


sleeve, Friday, 4 October 2019 17:21 (two weeks ago) link

Oops’ I see I misread. One of the tracks is out on Spotify already. Looking forward to Iowa Dream

I am using your worlds, Friday, 4 October 2019 17:21 (two weeks ago) link

on a separate note, I had no idea that Audika label head Steve Knutson has a long history of involvement with Tommy Boy and Wax Trax.

sleeve, Friday, 4 October 2019 17:27 (two weeks ago) link

Nice!! Seems like this is gonna be Love Is Overtaking Me pt. 2

J. Sam, Friday, 4 October 2019 19:08 (two weeks ago) link

Love Is Overtaking Me is the only country album I've ever enjoyed

paolo, Friday, 4 October 2019 20:18 (two weeks ago) link


sleeve, Friday, 4 October 2019 20:35 (two weeks ago) link



sleeve, Friday, 4 October 2019 20:36 (two weeks ago) link

ah, there are at least a couple other good country albums! even if i probably prefer bluegrass and/or western swing.

Calpico Girlfriend (rushomancy), Friday, 4 October 2019 20:44 (two weeks ago) link

so hey, while this is being revived for other purposes, i'm just going to ask:

what's a good starting place with this dude? i had first thought best thought for a while and i really liked the first run of tracks on disc one, but the rest of it kind of lost me. i know he was kind of all over the place, ranging from house records to modern composition. i seem to recall hearing this one back during my tower records tenure, but i don't think i was quite hip to the vibe just yet. perhaps a revisit would be worthwhile in that case.

so, my question is: what's the one disc that will showcase the best representation of what makes his music awesome?

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 4 October 2019 20:48 (two weeks ago) link

well that comp (The World Of Arthur Russell) is the best place to start IMO

after that, I'd say maybe Calling Out Of Context? They are all pretty different

sleeve, Friday, 4 October 2019 20:49 (two weeks ago) link

Or the Another Though album perhaps?

stirmonster, Friday, 4 October 2019 21:19 (two weeks ago) link

I would say Another Thought and World Of Echo

Maresn3st, Friday, 4 October 2019 21:33 (two weeks ago) link

Or the Nick The Record RA podcast above

paolo, Friday, 4 October 2019 21:40 (two weeks ago) link

Well, it depends on what you're looking for; he was restless and at home on quite a range--for me, the gateway was The World of because I was looking for this guy, described in a blurb on the shrinkwrap: In The early 80s, Russell brought the avant-garde with futuristic music that inspired people like Phili[ Glass, Francois K, David Byrne and many more. He blurred the line between Disco, Classical, Jazz and Dub." Another blurb doesn't bother with the namedropping: "a thrill-a-minute collection of dubbed-out-disco, echo-laden acoustics, reverberating vocals and horns. Wonderful!"
According to his bandcamp, the new album will have some of this approach and the "dream-bicycle" Great Plains jingle-jangle of Love Is Overtaking Me as well.

dow, Saturday, 5 October 2019 00:50 (one week ago) link

brought the avant-garde to the dance floor, that is. He told Allen Ginsberg that he was going for "Buddhist bubblegum," though he went for several other things as well.

dow, Saturday, 5 October 2019 00:52 (one week ago) link

Boy that's what I get for typing fast, sorry.

dow, Saturday, 5 October 2019 01:01 (one week ago) link

world of Arthur, then world of echo. basically, the part of First Thought that you like is "Instrumentals" and has since been remastered and released on its own. it's great but not real representative.

dang, how much more music is there?? new song is nice.

maffew12, Saturday, 5 October 2019 01:03 (one week ago) link

The World of Arthur Russell is the World of I was referring to, sorry. yeah, Echo and Calling Out of Context and, out there for the field trips, Love is Overtaking Me, are my faves.

dow, Saturday, 5 October 2019 01:49 (one week ago) link

Strangely, I've taken to recommending the 'Wild Combination' documentary as a good intro to Arthur, because it really does convey a good sense of the boundless breadth and depth of his musical fascinations--as well as telling his story in a very emotionally compelling way (seen a number of folks who'd never heard of him in tears by the end, and who've gone out and bought albums thereafter).

Circa 2002, I used to foist CD-R copies of 'World of Echo' on people. So I'd have to advise people to start there, then probably 'World of Arthur Russell' and 'Another Thought,' then 'Love Is Overtaking Me' and 'Calling Out of Context,' then all the rest.

Excited for this new one, but a bit nervous about the "completed by" component--I think I'd rather have the unvarnished demos than things that are fairly sure to sound 2019 even if they're trying to sound 1974. But, I'm sure there will be moments of brilliance no matter what.

Soundslike, Sunday, 6 October 2019 22:23 (one week ago) link

Plus in the documentary, you get to hear Mimi Goese's beautiful rendition of an AR song called 'Time To Go Home Now', which has yet to emerge from the archives (if it was even recorded at all), I got so curious about the song I asked Tim Lawrence, who drew a blank, so I then approached Mimi (via Facebook) about it and she wrote me this back -

thanks for your interest in arthur the magnificent. dick connette (he used the name A. Leroy) and I worked together in the 80's. I forwarded your request to dick and this is his reply:
Arthur Russell was a friend and musical colleague of mine going back to the late seventies. Mimi and I wrote and performed together for a while in the late eighties and early nineties. I asked Arthur if he had any songs that he would like us to do and he handed me lead sheets and home solo recordings of two - "Canvas House" and "Time To Go Home Now," both of which we played in public. It was only later, I think maybe even after Arthur died, that I discovered that, apparently, Arthur had written them both especially for us. I was retrospectively touched and honored.

Maresn3st, Sunday, 6 October 2019 23:26 (one week ago) link

Great to know, thanks! Wonder if he did that for anybody else?
Speaking of other people performing AR, Master Mix: Red Hot + Arthur Russell has quite a harvest, via Blood Orange, Robyn, Lonnie Holley, many others (2 CDs)
Wild Combination is worth getting on DVD for the extras, and speaking of Tim Lawrence, Hold On to Your Dreams: Arthur Russell and the Downtown Music Scene, 1973-1992 should be useful and entertaining, judging by his first book, Love Saves the Day: A History of American Dance Music Culture, 1970-1979, which I'm reading now.

dow, Monday, 7 October 2019 02:30 (one week ago) link

That's a lovely anecdote Maresnest, thanks for sharing.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 7 October 2019 11:08 (one week ago) link

Thanks, it's such a lovely track, and crucially placed in the documentary just after Arthur passes away, with slow-motion shots of wheat fields iirc, very sad and beautiful, it really haunted me.

On a happier note, Mimi's record 'Soak' from which it is taken, is brilliant.


Maresn3st, Monday, 7 October 2019 12:19 (one week ago) link

wow, I have to rewatch that movie.

I can't remember if I heard Tell You Today before I heard Robyn's version. Both are amazing.

maffew12, Monday, 7 October 2019 13:17 (one week ago) link

holy moly I am a big Hugo Largo fan but never knew any of this, it's been over a decade since i watched that documentary

sleeve, Monday, 7 October 2019 14:23 (one week ago) link

thank you everyone for your responses. andy was working on recording all weekend so i just now came back to this wealth of information and well-considered recommendations. have ordered world of echo and world of arthur russell and very much looking forward.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 7 October 2019 16:22 (one week ago) link

i got world of echo from amazon, so it came with the "autorip" dealie. jammin` it now and i was just wondering if anyone knows what actual galaxy he was from? because i can say with a good amount of confidence it wasn't this one.

album is one of the most unique things i've ever heard. correct me if i'm wrong, but this is just him playing cello through various effects and singing, right?

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 15:35 (one week ago) link

got my copy of the world of arthur russell in the mail yesterday and have been enjoying it greatly during this morning's commute. i remembered exactly 0% of what this sounded like, so it's essentially new to me. really fine stuff; totally different from world of echo lol. very cool to have a peak into what must have been a really interesting scene at the time. really like 'in the light of the miracle' especially. i love the vague liquid liquid / esg / 99 records vibe it has.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 11 October 2019 16:03 (one week ago) link

Yeah, and I like "Waxing the Van" too---no metaphor there, far as I can tell: he's just waxing the van all over his face in the light of the miracle.

dow, Saturday, 12 October 2019 19:02 (six days ago) link

You gotta be clean on your bean in order for that hat to stay on.

Wallet Youth (Craig D.), Saturday, 12 October 2019 23:08 (six days ago) link

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