Ok . MORE Arthur Russell (But This Is Great)

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Just stumbled across this super duper article:


BTW. I just got a copy of "24 24 Music" by Dinosaur l and I think that this should be at the forefront of the Arthur Russell releases just coming out. I mean - it absolutely nails ,/em> the whole NY disco/No Wave thing infinitely better than, say, Liquid Liquid. It's a fantastic record. Is anyone reissuing this?!

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Saturday, 10 January 2004 06:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Sorry. Didn't mean to italicize that entire sentence.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Saturday, 10 January 2004 06:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Ok. no more posting to ILM whilst "tipsy". I promise.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Saturday, 10 January 2004 06:36 (sixteen years ago) link

dan seltzer mentioned the possibility of this to me recently, so fingers crossed

mullygrubber (gaz), Saturday, 10 January 2004 06:48 (sixteen years ago) link

well, if Audika and Sould Jazz don't do it for some reason, and I can't get anyone to let Acute do it, I'll gladly, as I said, make CD-r copies of it for whomever. I think I said recently, it coulda been so cool, a Dinosaur CD with 24-24, the Go Bang mixes and Kiss Me Again, a Loose Joints CD w/ Is It All Over, Pop Your Funk, etc and so forth. I've just been to busy w/ current projects and the actual job that pays the actual bills to be as aggressive as I'd like to be with pursuing reissues...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 10 January 2004 07:19 (sixteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
Did 24-24 ever get a proper release?

adam... (nordicskilla), Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:46 (fifteen years ago) link

I just ordered WORLD OF ECHO. Also, Arthur plays cello on a bunch of tracks (some of which also feature Bob Dylan)on the Allen Ginsberg box

don, Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Has anybody heard the Necessaries? Did they make any records w/Arthur Russell on keyboards?

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:19 (fifteen years ago) link

there is an lp with arthur on it. i didn't really like it.

he also appears on a couple of peter zummo albums ('song iv' by russell and zummo is one of my fave things ever), and on a jill kroesen album (which i love but it's hard to hear arthur).

stirmonster, Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:37 (fifteen years ago) link

thanks. will search for zummo and jill kroesen. her name rings a bell, perhaps an early 80s nyc new-music type.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:56 (fifteen years ago) link

hes also on the bonus cut on mimi's cd soak.

bulbs (bulbs), Sunday, 21 November 2004 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link

I had the Necessaries' "Walking And Driving At The Same Time" on my once-blog a few months ago. Best thing on that album. Here's a description.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 22 November 2004 01:04 (fifteen years ago) link

The Necessaries aren't that good. I want the Dinosaur album bad.

Sonny, Ah!!1 (Sonny A.), Monday, 22 November 2004 01:56 (fifteen years ago) link

me too.

bulbs (bulbs), Monday, 22 November 2004 02:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Walking and Driving is the one song on the album where you can really tell Arthur's involved. I played it at my Arthur Russell tribute night a few years ago(remember...) and Tom Lee came into the booth, introduced himself and told me how impressed/suprised I was that I dug that record out.

The Peter Zummo record I have, Zummo with an X, is a must for Russell fans, I don't think he get's credit as composer, but with him playing cello and singing, it's pretty damn Arthur Russell!

finally got the World of Echo reissue today, haven't watched the DVD yet, but it's a beautiful package.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 22 November 2004 03:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I got mine too!! For $23! It's going for $45 on Amazon!!

adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 22 November 2004 03:55 (fifteen years ago) link

totally forgot - also check peter gordon's 'Innocent' lp. arthur's 'that hat' is sublime.

stirmonster, Monday, 22 November 2004 05:39 (fifteen years ago) link

What ONE Arthur Russell track should I download?

Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:40 (fifteen years ago) link

21.99 at Other Music!

there is no ONE song, he performed in too many different styles.

I'd say two of the tracks that appear on Disco Not Disco, the 6 min edit of Kiss Me Again and Tell You Today.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 22 November 2004 06:12 (fifteen years ago) link

i'd say lets go swimming, the walter gibbons mix.

bulbs (bulbs), Monday, 22 November 2004 08:28 (fifteen years ago) link

actually i'd say a kid like you.

bulbs (bulbs), Monday, 22 November 2004 08:33 (fifteen years ago) link

i love his voice

bulbs (bulbs), Monday, 22 November 2004 08:33 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm glad that people in Newcastle, UK are so not with it that I got 24/24 Music for fifty pence (although I had to pay five pounds for the first ESG 12".)

It's almost unbelivable that 24/24 isn't readily available on CD. It shows that there is still a big gulf between rock reissues and those of other genres, esp. dance stuff, where it could be said that reissues are even more crucial bcz a lot of important/excellent stuff never came out on LPs in the first place.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 22 November 2004 13:07 (fifteen years ago) link

The Peter Zummo record I have, Zummo with an X, is a must for Russell fans, I don't think he get's credit as composer, but with him playing cello and singing, it's pretty damn Arthur Russell!

Gee, Dan. You still owe me a trade for that Tower Of Meaning CD from a while back! *hint*

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:20 (fifteen years ago) link

six months pass...
I've been trying to track down Tower of Meaning, 24-24, and some more of his stuff with Zummo (I only have Experimenting With Household Chemicals.) Anyone on slsk/want to arrange a trade by mail?

stephen morris (stephen morris), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link

that article is awkwardly written and a little tired, but HE certanily isn't, he's great! haven't listened to much World of Echo yet. My favorite song of his right now is probably Another Thought. i used to love it when he talked about love etc. but now I love it when he talks about the ocean.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link

what's on Tower of Meaning?

am i the only one that has (has heard) Instrumentals? it's trés boring

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:16 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i have that jaXon. and i agree.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link

did you finally get "24 24 music" from dan? is it fantastic? is there a lot of stuff that didn't make it to World of?

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link

no :( i never got it. hey have you heard that tiger stripes 12"? its siano but russells fingerprints are all over it.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link

I bet I'd love "Instrumentals", I LOVE boring music

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Friday, 10 June 2005 02:02 (fourteen years ago) link

while at the emp, i learned that tim lawrence, who wrote love saves the day. is current working on a russell biog.

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 10 June 2005 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link

I didn't remember that, sorry.

I think one of the pieces on instrumentals is incredibly beautiful. The rest of it isn't nearly as interesting. You know the one, if you've heard it.

There's absolutely a few cool cuts on 24-24 that didn't make it to World of, and remember that the versions of World Of are the remixes, right? The Francois K version of Go Bang vs. the 24-24 version. I have to check that these are different. I recall the album versions being looser. But there's 1 song that totally ROCKS. I'll computerize and post it sometime soon.

Don't forget to aim yr slsk or actual shopping tools at the Loft box-set for it's original version of Is It All Over My Face, recorded as a 13 min hippie disco jam.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:23 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Great interview (courtesy Danny Wang) with Steven Hall, AR's guitarist friend here.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I like how Steven Hall says Arthur was incredibly forward, and propositioned him the first time they met.

Confounded (Confounded), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 21:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Funny how AR hung out at the Ninth Circle bar, which Danny Krivit says (in this same issue of Keep On) was owned by his dad! This Steven Hall interview is definitely one of the best re: Russell I've read yet.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link

ok, i had to yousend this for someone else so i thought i'd post this link here. for me, this is one of the holy grails of arthur's music. i have listened to this so many times and yet i still hear something new each time. it is from a peter zummo lp called 'zummo with an x' and is a 20 minute russell / zummo collaboration featuring trombone, cello, tabla, arthur murmuring and echo. i think this is possibly thee definition of sublime. it is listed on the sleeve as part 4 of 6 and i live in hope that one day the other 5 parts will see the light of day.


stirmonster (stirmonster), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I found that record at the WFMU record fair in an "art music/downtown" type crate, and still paid some 25 bucks for it. Really beautiful.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:46 (fourteen years ago) link

thank you jd!

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:13 (fourteen years ago) link

omg thanks twitch this is gorgeous

(so did 24-24 ever get a commercial release or what?)

strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:40 (fourteen years ago) link


Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:42 (fourteen years ago) link

seventeen minutes in and LOVING this. sublime is right.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:44 (fourteen years ago) link

thx stirmonster!

wow this is great!

i'ven never heard arthur russell before....is it all this cool? sweet....

Doesn't M@tt He1geson Deserve A Cool, Funny Login Name? (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:57 (fourteen years ago) link

wow matt go buy the world of... RIGHT NOW (nb: may contain upwards of 50% disco)

strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:59 (fourteen years ago) link

will do....

i ain't scurred of a lil' disco!

Doesn't M@tt He1geson Deserve A Cool, Funny Login Name? (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:00 (fourteen years ago) link

late last year, dustygroove had boots of 24-24 music, which is about as close as you can get, i reckon.
not sure of the legal situation reissuing it, but i would think Audika could do something about it. i know they are working on the orchestral stuff right now, along with another project.

Beta (abeta), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:16 (fourteen years ago) link

thanks for the track

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Stirmonster you roxxx!

Gerard (Gerard), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Cheers Stirmonster! This track is exquisite!

LRJP! (LRJP!), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Merci, twitch!

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link

this is lovely. jeez how much more could there be?

maffew12, Friday, 15 November 2019 19:32 (four months ago) link

this is unbelievable. absolutely enthralled by it.

ripersnifle, Saturday, 16 November 2019 18:24 (four months ago) link

agreed. is there anything this guy couldn't do? title track is just joyous, bursting with life

Book Doula (sleeve), Sunday, 17 November 2019 03:01 (four months ago) link

this is nuts. I don't know anything about the state of the archives, but how is this stuff just coming out now? For me this is much better than Love Is Overtaking Me. Just wow. Gorgeous.

maffew12, Sunday, 17 November 2019 20:50 (four months ago) link

It's fascinating to see where his head was at before punk/disco and all the rest.

Maresn3st, Sunday, 17 November 2019 21:01 (four months ago) link

This is $10.99 on CD at Deep Discount, FYI (deepdiscount.com) vs. $14.98 on Amazon (I'm not a shill, I swear!). This is one of those select releases where I'm resisting the temptation to listen on streaming before I can hear it for the first time on non-lossy media.

ernestp, Monday, 18 November 2019 10:05 (four months ago) link

How fresh and 'of now' can recordings of thirty odd years sound. Genius.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 23:12 (four months ago) link

words of love is my favourite after one listen through

-_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 23:26 (four months ago) link

Moderator request to pls change the thread title to Ok . MORE Arthur Russell (It's all Great)

willem, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 09:26 (four months ago) link

"She's walking to the train, I think I hear it, she's walking to the train, I think I hear it." Word--so much quiet momentum here, so much in it, so far I can only listen in maybe 15-20 minute segments: a kind of miniature box set effect, unique in my experience (whole thing is timed at 62:04 by my veteran Sony boombox)listening also on plain ol' Koss UR-40 headphones). Re lossy, meant to do comparative listening w stream, but haven't yet---bandcamp should be fine, though, as it usually is (for my Koss, anyway).
re jeez how much more could there be?, a friend of mine was a neighbor of his, and often saw him walking around with big studio headphones plugged into his Walkman, and my friend refrained from saying hello or even nodding, because Arthur always looked like he was in or past the middle of something, really really coming to a big decision---though this went on for years, and we now know that he would frequently end up doing yet another mix, or starting over with the recording, and/or putting the material away and going on to something else---in between walking around and around New York, listening---and driving his label crazy. So there could be a lot more.

dow, Thursday, 21 November 2019 19:00 (four months ago) link

Beautiful post dow <3

I can just picture him running around, seemingly always on an Important Mission.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 21 November 2019 21:26 (four months ago) link

80% still unheard http://www.dustedmagazine.com/features/778

britain's secret sauce (seandalai), Thursday, 21 November 2019 23:32 (four months ago) link

evidently he was always on an Important Mission

maffew12, Friday, 22 November 2019 03:14 (four months ago) link

I'm going to have to give this another shot, my first listen I couldn't do it; there just didn't seem to be much of a spark there.

akm, Friday, 22 November 2019 03:16 (four months ago) link

Sadly, I'm with you akm.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 22 November 2019 08:57 (four months ago) link

I'm with most of you; this album is absolutely destroying my world. I remember reading an interview with Steve Knutson around the time Corn came out where he basically said everything from the archive worth releasing had already been released. Unbelievable, then, that in 2019 Audika drops a folk-mode Arthur Russell comp that's even better than Love Is Overtaking Me. It's also great that Come to Life finally has a proper home. I've been obsessed with that song for 10 years, probably my favorite AR track after Wild Combination. The credits also reveal who did those angelic background vox--Mihr'un' Nisa Douglass, whose only other credits appear to be singing on Van Morrison's Inarticulate Speech of the Heart (which has sent me on a tangential early-80s Van kick) and the 25th Anniversary performance of Terry Riley's In C.

J. Sam, Friday, 22 November 2019 14:06 (four months ago) link

There's also this awesome thread of clear-headed psychedelia permeating Iowa Dream, especially on the mid-70s tracks like Everybody Everybody, Iowa Dream, Come to Life, etc.-- a kind of surreal childlike wonder + oblique, cyclical chord progressions over propulsive rhythms. It's a zone I could live in forever. And You Are My Love has brought me to tears more than once--such a sweet, direct love song that's sentimental in the best ways possible. Also Barefoot In New York is so wild and weird and hilarious. I'll stop raving now, but if you're on the fence about checking this thing out, DO IT

J. Sam, Friday, 22 November 2019 15:50 (four months ago) link

...a kind of miniature box set effect, unique in my experience...

― dow, Thursday, November 21, 2019 2:00 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

This is OTM

J. Sam, Friday, 22 November 2019 15:51 (four months ago) link

you speak well to the zone

maffew12, Friday, 22 November 2019 15:56 (four months ago) link


J. Sam, Friday, 22 November 2019 16:28 (four months ago) link

re AR walking around and around, dressed as The Decider etc., and the artistic payoff still emerging, I'm especially struck by this but in Jenn Pelly's review:
In “You Did It Yourself,” Russell seems to be experiencing yet another moment of endearing self-sabotage (“You did it yourself/It keeps you down”) and also reflecting on a “thrilling” film he saw “last night”: “Understood all of it very well/I didn’t like the ending though/Maybe I’m crazy but it just seemed tacked on.” The pieces of his sung critique stream by like a river. Russell was prone to the unresolvable, to the nonlinear, to atmosphere over concrete. The miracle of his catalog is how the seams mend together, stitch by stitch, a different way forward, as if creating no “endings” for himself

But also, becoming ace at envisioning daily deaths of the heart, as in the killer finale, "In Love With You For The last Time," though of course you gotta come back to life for another last time, in his cycles especially.

dow, Friday, 22 November 2019 16:32 (four months ago) link

this *bit* in Jenn Pelly's review, which I meant to link:

dow, Friday, 22 November 2019 16:33 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

Unreleased Loose Joints instrumental and acapellas for RSD 2020


I am using your worlds, Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:04 (one month ago) link

wish they would release "Let'd Go Play Baseball" from that insane mix linked upthread, but this is pretty cool even if it's just all versions of 1 tune

sleeve, Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:08 (one month ago) link

still being knocked out by Iowa Dream, so great.

tylerw, Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:16 (one month ago) link

Me too. It's just as good as Love Is Overtaking Me

paolo, Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:26 (one month ago) link

This may be a silly question, but how is it possible for labels to still be putting out 'new' Arthur Russell material (or indeed material from other artists that was recorded decades ago)? Are there just loads of recordings sitting around that nobody's got around to releasing, or are there legal issues involved, or do they not think that there's a market for this stuff?

paolo, Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:29 (one month ago) link

w/r/t Russell in particular, Steve Knutson has the rights to the archives and there is still a ton of unreleased material from what a friend who knows him tells me

weirdly it seems like the Loose Joints stuff and some other things are via Sleeping Bag and hav different rights situation as shown by the reissue linked in the revive

sleeve, Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:33 (one month ago) link

Are there just loads of recordings sitting around that nobody's got around to releasing, or are there legal issues involved, or do they not think that there's a market for this stuff?
i think audika doesn't want to just unload tons and tons of stuff — russell was notoriously protective of his music and they want to do it right.

tylerw, Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:41 (one month ago) link

yeah that matches what I've heard secondhand

sleeve, Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:45 (one month ago) link

yeah, i mean, it'd be nice to have more, but you can't argue with knutson's quality control so far.

tylerw, Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:53 (one month ago) link

Agreed that Steve Knutson has done a great job.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 05:48 (three weeks ago) link

from Rolling Jazz 2020:

The music of "To Cy & Lee: Instrumentals Vol. 1" contains naturally elegant orchestration wrapped around something visceral and primordial. Swirled inside the 11 pieces are shades of Japanese Min’yo folk, Celtic folk, the Ethio-jazz of saxophonist Getatchew Mekurya and hints of the pan-human ‘ancient music’ that sat underneath Arthur Russell’s melodies on First Thought, Best Thought. The music is filled with space, inspired, he says, by computer games and Japanese animation, particularly Joe Hisaishi’s.

this is exquisite

― calzino, Wednesday, March 11, 2020 6:26 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

nice! was just going to ask about that one--it hasn't crossed my radar at all, but Mekurya, Arthur Russell, and Castle in the Sky are all among my favorite things and I didn't expect to ever see them grouped in a music blurb

btw, I don't care where we talk about IA, but there is this thread if you missed it: International Anthem: S/D

― rob, Wednesday, March 11, 2020

dow, Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:51 (three weeks ago) link

live set from 1985 — sounds amazing. also sounds like there were maybe four people there.

tylerw, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 19:00 (one week ago) link

wow, thanks!

sleeve, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 19:28 (one week ago) link

God damn, this is beautiful, thanks so much!

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 20:10 (one week ago) link

it really is great!

tylerw, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 20:24 (one week ago) link

It really, really is, pity I there's no download option. I loved the 20 min video from Phil Niblock's flat that surfaced years ago and this has exactly that same atmosphere.

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 20:25 (one week ago) link

right-click and "save as", worked for me!

sleeve, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 20:35 (one week ago) link

yeah, you can "save audio as" and get the mp3

tylerw, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 20:40 (one week ago) link

Wow, this is amazing, thanks for the heads-up--yeah, as long as I right-clicked on the timeclock, saving as mp3 worked for me

Wallet Youth (Craig D.), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 20:45 (one week ago) link

Incredible find. I love this. Thank you for sharing here.

Deflatormouse, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:42 (one week ago) link

XXXP - Thanks guys, I was clicking the wrong bit of the player it seemed, got it now, awes!

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 22:10 (one week ago) link

Oh my! What a wonderful thing; a revelation! So many of my favourite AR songs some in prototype form. I'm welling up listening to this and it was recorded on my 17th birthday which somehow makes it resonate all the more.

stirmonster, Thursday, 26 March 2020 02:35 (one week ago) link

Yeah this is wonderful indeed.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 26 March 2020 06:50 (one week ago) link

just lovely

Tib, Thursday, 26 March 2020 07:20 (one week ago) link


paolo, Thursday, 26 March 2020 10:49 (one week ago) link

Marvelous, thanks so much for sharing tyler!

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 26 March 2020 11:32 (one week ago) link

I saved it by going to the link via plain Chrome, no Incognito, and clicking on those three dots at after the audio icon--didn't even have to use Sound Pirate (which works in plain Chrome, that's why I went there that way).
In case this goes away, here's the lowdown, for people of the future:

Arthur Russell
Saturday, March 2, 1985. 9:00 pm
The influential and profoundly brave cross-genre artist (1951-1992) presented “The Deer In The Forest,” and other extended vocal compositions with his ubiquitous amplified cello.

Update 2019: With Peter Zummo, trombone, and possibly Elodie Lauten or Steven Hall on Casio keyboard. Considered early versions of songs that became more focused later. For example, Each Step Is Moving (around 7 minutes in), is substantially This Is How We Walk On The Moon, which wasn’t released until 1994, posthumously. In this concert Russell was experimenting with repeated phrases and lines, as if testing them out, which likely emerged later in more developed versions.

dow, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:02 (one week ago) link

of all the post arthur passing releases or shares- this is the one for me

Tib, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 15:02 (four days ago) link

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