whoah, The Village? No way.
― dan selzer,
too dopey
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 November 2021 16:56 (two years ago) link
Vicious Streak is a great song. I really like Draculas Castle as well, but that ones harder to defend than Vicious Streak. You're mostly right, but also wrong. I'd also place the blame for Subculture remix on John Robie, so if you want to start calling out which New Order remixes are shit, that's going to be a very long list. I suppose the entire point of posting a list like this is so people will argue with you or tell you how smart you are. I hope you generate sufficient engagement with your blog post.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 11 November 2021 16:57 (two years ago) link
I hope you generate sufficient engagement with your blog post.
New Borad Description?
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 11 November 2021 17:02 (two years ago) link
How could you not include Slow Jam?
The afternoon was very clearThe sun was beating down on meI got thirsty for a beerThat I had to go to seaThe sea was very roughIt made me feel sickBut I like that kind of stuffIt beats arithmetic
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 11 November 2021 17:33 (two years ago) link
I suppose the entire point of posting a list like this is so people will argue with you or tell you how smart you are. I hope you generate sufficient engagement with your blog post.
Thanks?
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 November 2021 17:40 (two years ago) link
But I'm sorry, I guess you're the only passionate New Order fan.
If bad lyrics is the threshold for landing on the destroy list, there's not much of the New Order catalog that survives. The miracle of this band is that they're still somehow completely essential despite the lyrics. And the singing.
― enochroot, Thursday, 11 November 2021 18:56 (two years ago) link
I agree in part but also feel this doesn’t give Bernard enough credit for his many memorable and (sorry) hooky lyrics. He can conjure up some unique images and tap into powerful sentiment - especially (but not limited to) his absolute peak of (let’s say) True Faith -> Regret
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Thursday, 11 November 2021 19:05 (two years ago) link
You are so wrong about The Village it’s painful.
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 11 November 2021 21:19 (two years ago) link
Well, I went from finding "Guilty Partner" meh to considering it bloody essential. Hope is the thing with feathers!
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 November 2021 21:21 (two years ago) link
"The Village" is one of my favorite New Order songs!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 November 2021 22:01 (two years ago) link
The Regret lyrics seem promising at first. But I can't imagine that he laboured too long over the chorus lyrics:
I would like a place I could call my own /Have a conversation on the telephone
Also, The Village might be in my top 10 New Order songs, so successful challop there.
― enochroot, Thursday, 11 November 2021 22:26 (two years ago) link
Vicious Streak is tranced-out magic to me. I was expecting the entirety of Republic after the first three tracks.
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 11 November 2021 22:34 (two years ago) link
i <3 the village, that little switch up in the drums and the synths for the third verse is pure joy
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Thursday, 11 November 2021 22:41 (two years ago) link
The Village for me is not in the top drawer - but certainly not in the bottom. Chorus couplet is pretty awful, but I guess only averagely bad by Bernard's lyric standards.
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 11 November 2021 22:51 (two years ago) link
I find The Village affecting. Lyrically and musically it captures a goofy / giddy new love feeling, and the sense that the entire world confirms your special thing, before re-framing it at the end with "their love died three years ago." Like he was looking at a happy photograph of his now-divorced parents the whole time, trying to imagine how it must have once been. Out of the context of the song it's doggerel but so what.
― Freeze Instr., Friday, 12 November 2021 01:11 (two years ago) link
well put
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 November 2021 01:17 (two years ago) link
To me this is kind of genius? Catchy rhyme, rhythmically perfect for the song but also conveys some kind of yearning for normalcy in the face of an unspecified emotional devastation
I just read the lyrics and yep they read terribly, but when they sit on top of the glorious rush of the music those random couplets can hit (me) profoundly. That messy blend of banality and romanticism is kind of how my brain actually thinks, I think.
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Friday, 12 November 2021 02:15 (two years ago) link
Speaking about a lot of NO songs there, not just Regret.
otm. Can't do them at karaoke.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 12 November 2021 03:02 (two years ago) link
The Internet seems to think every single song they ever wrote is about Ian Curtis
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Friday, 12 November 2021 03:10 (two years ago) link
you're so right emsworth - I mean, the song is called "Regret" and ends "just wait till tomorrow / I guess that's what they all say / just before they fall apart". That and "Waiting for the Siren's Call" can bring me to tears if they hit at the right moment. That indefinable mix of banality and genius is what keeps them so fresh in my heart.
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 12 November 2021 03:33 (two years ago) link
oh fuck I didn't mean to plagiarise you while praising your take!
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 12 November 2021 03:34 (two years ago) link
Not relevant to Alfred’s list but the live version of “Waiting for the Siren’s Call” crushes the original.
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 12 November 2021 04:01 (two years ago) link
Hard disagree, I mean it's a cool reworking but it loses all the poignancy, and it's not New Order without the acid sting of guitar lines and that bass melody.I guess I will be shouted down but Sirens' Call is the last NO album for me, as irritating a shit as Hooky undoubtedly is, the band is the four of them or GTFO.Amid all the rancour and sniping, to pull out a song like that - in which all four absolutely shine at their best - is almost miraculous. Everything after that is spare change, to me.
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 12 November 2021 04:45 (two years ago) link
what a fucking idiot I am for forgetting that Gillian bowed out for that album, there's no defence for self-clowning like that.Great song though. I will now retire from saying anything online ever.
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 12 November 2021 04:48 (two years ago) link
I like State of the Nation and The Village. From the 80s I think the only song I really can't bear is 1963, mostly because I can't fathom how those lyrics ever made it to a finished song. So many painful turns of phrase.
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Friday, 12 November 2021 06:16 (two years ago) link
Vicious Streak is Top 5 for me and I would also put I Told You So in the top tier.You could easily populate the worst 10 with all of Lost Sirens + Liar and Chemical + State of the Nation and Shellshock
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 12 November 2021 08:51 (two years ago) link
State of the Nation and The Village are great, as is 1963. If there's a NO track from the 80s that I can see an argument for being on the list it's Touched by the Hand of God, but that's redeemed by its video
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Friday, 12 November 2021 11:10 (two years ago) link
Weird, thought I posted, but I like "Touched" and don't like "1963," which is kind of like "Love Vigilantes" if that song was bad.
Where the heck is the rando Jimmy Cliff cover from?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 November 2021 14:08 (two years ago) link
A 2003 War Child album
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 12 November 2021 16:05 (two years ago) link
SUNKIST IS THE ONE― adam (adam), Sunday, October 2, 2005 8:49 PM (sixteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2g9UJdH4MM
― 龜, Monday, 22 August 2022 19:13 (one year ago) link
The setlist to the first show of theirs I ever saw, in 1985, is a pretty good "Search" list, at least up through Low-Life. Makes a great playlist.
SunriseThis Time of NightHurtThieves Like Us5 8 6Everything's Gone GreenThe VillageSubcultureDenialConfusionThe Perfect Kiss
Encore:CeremonyBlue Monday
Encore 2:Temptation
As for "Destroy," Alfred's list is good with the obvious exception of "The Village."
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 22 August 2022 19:22 (one year ago) link
SUNKIST IS THE ONE― adam (adam), Sunday, October 2, 2005 8:49 PM (sixteen years ago)📹
― Mar - a - Lago, or 120 Days of Sodom (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 22 August 2022 19:28 (one year ago) link
I didn't see a post, but I guess Low-Life is getting the box set treatment. Old news that I completely missed, it was delayed due to COVID, but the newish news is that it's out in January with a pre-Christmas announcement.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 04:40 (one year ago) link
Nice!
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 08:24 (one year ago) link
I had no idea they were doing a tour with the Pet Shop Boys.
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 09:21 (one year ago) link
Search: World In Motion Caribinieri Mix
Destroy: World In Motion single
I think it was the Caribinieri mix, anyway. You lose the catchier piano riff but you're also spared the footballer rapping, and the chorus declared that "we've got the world in motion", and not "love" which is stupid.
Search: Republic! I know its a bit past their most iconic era, but I think its their most solid album. The only stinker is "Chemical" (I think, going off memory---the one that starts with "I wake up every night on the stair").
Destroy: Shellshock, State of the Nation, Subculture. Each of these is tedious its own, but to release three songs so close together that suck in the same way, until they all blur together, was unfortunate.
Search: the Substance versions of Ceremony, Temptation, and Confusion.
Destroy: the original versions of these songs.
Search: Kiss of Death, Thieves Like Us instrumental
Destroy: Perfect Kiss, Thieves Like Us vocal
― Publicradio (3×5), Friday, 28 October 2022 03:54 (one year ago) link
I’ll be going through your bins.
― Alba, Friday, 28 October 2022 06:43 (one year ago) link
I disagree with most of that, but agree that the instrumental Thieves Like Us is 5-6 min of pure bliss
― meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Friday, 28 October 2022 09:00 (one year ago) link
You’re describing the No Alla Violenza mix, not the Carabinieri mix (which still has the footballers in it)
― castanuts (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2022 14:47 (one year ago) link
You missed out. (And there were various thread revivals!)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 October 2022 14:53 (one year ago) link
*looks at search/destroy post*
Stephen? Stephen Hague? Glad to have you with us.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 October 2022 14:54 (one year ago) link
lol and this was something like a twice delayed tour, too, so it's been known they were touring together since early 2020!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 October 2022 14:59 (one year ago) link
And it's a wrap now.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 28 October 2022 19:11 (one year ago) link
Low-Life box set confirmed:
https://consequence.net/2022/11/new-order-low-life-box-set-the-perfect-kiss-stream/
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Friday, 11 November 2022 12:34 (one year ago) link
"new interviews with every band member" hmmm
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 11 November 2022 12:37 (one year ago) link
I'm shellshocked.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 November 2022 13:06 (one year ago) link
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― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 11 November 2022 13:32 (one year ago) link
I like Low-Life and always have; it was the first full-length I bought by them after hearing Substance, but I have the 2CD deluxe edition from...2005? 2007? And anyway, no one needs that much live New Order.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 11 November 2022 14:50 (one year ago) link