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The voice was initially jarring and I used to hate it, but now I love it, it actually gives me chills. Bono (who's on it for like 10 seconds total, makes himself look and sound stupid (mispronouncing risque etc) which alone makes it classic, but I'm glad he was on it and he makes good comments and asks the big fascist question.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I think my favourite part was when Morris talks about how he's "not a bitter man" cause he could never manage to get into the Hacienda. I like watching them sit around drinking outside, too. Still can't understand why Hooky was in that weird setup, what that was all about.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, no idea, but it's hilarious.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

It made me think they were kinda trying to paint him as this hip cosmopolitan ladies man or something but it all comes off a bit odd.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:48 (nineteen years ago) link

The female narrator adds nothing ... did Paul Morley write her lines?

Neworderstory is a stone cold classic just for the scenes when they bring Tony Wilson on "The NO Show", resulting in a series of squirm-in-your-chair scenes as he trades insults with the band and you're not sure whether they're taking the piss or opening up the silos of resentment they have against each other (the answer, of course, is both).

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah I've got no problem with the Tony bits! Although I did feel for him a bit when they asked him those same old Ian Curtis questions he must have been asked 50 trillion times. He handled it well, though.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you kidding, I think Tony Wilson *loves* the Ian Curtis questions ... he lunges headlong into hyperbole everytime somebody asks about Joy Division -- "yes, bigger than Pink Floyd if he'd lived!".

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 7 March 2005 05:05 (nineteen years ago) link

hahahaha

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 05:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes you are right, he is normally very enthusiastic, but in this case the questions were of the more morbid kind, i.e. "why do you think he did it?"

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 05:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, just watched the Tavas Shevchenko show (for the first time ever) -- jawdropping. I mean, they had enough of a reputation/foresight/luck to get a proper documentation of the show (multiple cameras, reasonable editing, clear recording) and you can hear them practically inventing their own future (as well as those of others). I kept flashing back a bit to try and imagine what the surrounding context was for them and for the audience, and as is often the case with documents like this I wonder most of all what happened with the audience members there up front, already intense and into it and in some cases dancing even.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 March 2005 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link

No no no don't get me started on that video.

I'll just say this: their total lack of...energy on camera just makes the music seem all that much more incredible. They are so completely bored looking, nonchalant, just doing their job, whatever. No rock personalities. Ha ha, I watch them on this thing and I think "look how bored these people look, as if they have no idea that they are creating some of the most brilliant music planet earth has ever known" I mean you wouldn't exactly say it was loaded with on-stage banter or rock theatrics or even palpable PASSION on their faces, would you?

I came to fall in love with some of the versions of songs on that thing.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 09:50 (nineteen years ago) link

they were really funny today on vh1 classic!

― charleston charge (chaki), Monday, 7 March 2005 09:53 (nineteen years ago) link

What exactly does Bono say?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 7 March 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Well I've still got "New Order Play At Home" on a video somewhere in the attic, must dig it out because it's hilarious. Anybody want to do a transfer to DVD?

― Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 7 March 2005 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

No way! Really? A friend of mine told me about that recently and I thought he was just pulling my leg at first, but then he explained that it was something he remembered seeing on telly years ago. I said "wow I bet you could get a lot of money for that if you had a tape now" Shit man, dig it out, I'll figure out how to transfer it.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean not that I'm wanting to make money off it, that's not what I mean. I'm just a crazed New Order fan, as should be obvious by now.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

It's really surreal to watch the Taras Shevchenko video and the Finsbury Park one in the same week. You get to see this very intense, restrained performance on one, and on the other you see Barney running in place while windmilling his arms and going "WOOO!" during songs.

As for the S&D, I accidentally listened to the Low-Life version of Subculture recently. How the hell did that even make it on the album?

― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd really like to see some live footage from say '87 - with BLT etc. That is their height for me.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

there is a video of them live in 1987 in brixton called 'academy', found it in oxfam....there's some risible interview footage ('how did it affect you when your singer killed himself?' 'er, well first of all we didn't have a singer') and yeah, a goooorgeous version of 'bizarre love triangle'....worth trying to find a copy anyway

― Owen Hatherley (owen), Thursday, 10 March 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Ooooh, I'd love to see that!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 10 March 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I was about to say, is that legit?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 March 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, is this a thread where people talk about "taras"? good god, i love that video. love it so much. key moments:

- the proto-metal, wide-eyed, staring-into-the-abyss thrash that is "denial".

- the LOOK that barney gives gillian when she fucks up the arpeggio on "ceremony".

- barney coming up on his trip [1] right at the end ... during that fucking blinding proto-everything-that-happened-next-in-the-world-ever version of "temptation", grabbing at his microphone stand, missing, looking at it in horror, then just carrying on ranting. how does it go? "people. like people. like me" or something. ah!

- that proto-everything-that-happened-next-in-the-world-ever version of "temptation" in general.

hoo god, i want to watch it right now.

[1] this is what i heard, anyway: that barney took a tab before the gig and by the end he's tripping his tits off. i want to believe it, even if it's bollocks.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 10 March 2005 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

It's truly amazing about Taras that someone had just the right foresight to capture a band that already had a reputation for excellence and would eventually get another one, or several if you like. And not only that, but with several good quality cameras and a solid sound mix.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 March 2005 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it's "people need people like me. people need people like you..."

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 10 March 2005 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

[1] this is what i heard, anyway: that barney took a tab before the gig and by the end he's tripping his tits off. i want to believe it, even if it's bollocks.

Hahaha. Okay you really are going to make me play it now.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 11 March 2005 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

It's a bit of effort, but Pumped Full Of Drugs can be obtained via the Amazon Japan site.

It is NTSC, but it is also Region 2. Keep that in mind, you'll need a way to play a Region 2 disc.

― Edward Bax (EdBax), Friday, 11 March 2005 03:07 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

"State of the Nation" seems to be underrated. I'm wondering what about it is different that people would single it out for dislike?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 25 March 2005 20:46 (nineteen years ago) link

It got singled out on the "Rock Band's Worst Attempt at Disco" thread. I'm not sure what that means since most of New Order's mid-80's output are varying attempts at disco!

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 25 March 2005 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

"State Of The Nation" is fantastic; I've never understood why people are so vocally against it.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 25 March 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't like it stuck on the end of brotherhood like my CD is, but it's okay, certainly better than Shellshock

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 25 March 2005 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I put SOTN on that rock-disco thread; it's not bad, just perfunctory. The electro bassline, as good as it is, seems mixed too high. The track grates. Plus, ever tried to dance to it?? Bloody hard.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 25 March 2005 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Plus, ever tried to dance to it?? Bloody hard.

Erm. I suspect the problem might not be with the song, dude.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I know what he means though, because it's slower than most house/disco and the hi-hat is seemingly in double-time. Still, you gotta learn how to adapt your dancing style to any tempo. That's part of Dancing 101.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I love dancing to "State of the Nation"! I love the "oooh" yelps!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, the Chic guitar is unbelievably great on it.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

For me my initial dislike of SOTN had to do with the quality of the other tracks on Substance. But then I starting hearing SOTN on random and it was way more enjoyable. The problem was that I really love every other track on that album, and SOTN is near the end of a pretty long album, not to mention it's right before my favorite song.

― Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh God yes, love that Chic guitar on it.

― Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link

That guitar part is outstanding.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, terrific Chic guitar, great bassline, dodgier-than-usual lyrics - all the elements seem to be in place. For me the parts don't make a whole in this case. Vinnie's mild objections match mine. I don't hate it; it's just underwhelming next to their other singles.

I actually prefer "Touched by the Hand of God": even better bass, breathy chorus.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 26 March 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Touched By The Hand of God eats it for breakfast, yes. SOTN comes across as rather clumsy, I think.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Saturday, 26 March 2005 00:34 (nineteen years ago) link

And the video for TBTHOG...christ on a crutch is it wonderful.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 26 March 2005 00:44 (nineteen years ago) link

No mother fucking kidding. Saw it for the first time only a few weeks ago. Hilarious.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Saturday, 26 March 2005 02:47 (nineteen years ago) link

In other words everyone MUST have the Substance VHS today, only cost me a few bucks, even if you've seen all the other videos on it already, etc etc.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Saturday, 26 March 2005 02:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I watch it *regularly*. The "State of the Nation" video is kind of throwaway, but I think the track is anything but!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 26 March 2005 03:23 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...

from Rob Da Bank's Radio 1 show, the Richard X remix of New Order's "Bizarre Love Triangle"

http://s33.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2FM4IWTLQI3XW1M3T9PMTXSCXU

― logged out regular guess f*cking who (spencermfi), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

whoops. oh well. sue me.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh you vicious criminal.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 September 2005 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link

"Young Offender"

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 23 September 2005 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link

"Thieves Like Us"

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 23 September 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

It's called YSI
and it's become
unmentionable

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 September 2005 23:07 (eighteen years ago) link

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