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when i worked in a 2nd hand record shop a few years ago there were always lots and lots of unwanted copies of Republic.

― Louie Strychnine, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link

:-0

― Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

search: temptation (bliss!)

destroy: fine time (i just can't stand this track. it really isn't funny!)

― Louie Strychnine, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, 'Fine Time' is the only mistep on a godly album, thus making it human.

― Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

"Fine Time" is brilliant, you pagans.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"Fine Time" is the best song on _Technique_ that isn't "Dream Attack".

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

That would be 'Vanishing point', Dan...

― Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"Vanishing Point" is the best song that isn't "Dream Attack", "Fine Time" or "Guilty Partner".

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

'Fine Time' is fucking amazing.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

New Order’s Bernard Sumner and Peter Hook – who are hard at work on their own follow-up to 2001's ‘Get Ready’ – provide guitar and bass on the track ‘Real Thing’, which was co-written by Linda Perry (Christina Aguilera / Pink)

Linda Perry?!? Say it isn't so...

(Fine Time is indeed brilliant.)

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Me and Technique, a love story

Linda Perry, source of all that is bad and wrong and stinky and mean and horrible and terrible and yech. Sorry, am I not clear?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

"Fine Time" is the best song on _Technique_ that isn't "Run". Bozos.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Or "All the Way".

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"Run" and "All The Way" are the best songs that aren't any other song on _Technique_.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I am the bizarro Dan.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

BIZARRO!

(nb do not do an image search for "bizarro" if you are at work and you don't have Google Safe Search turned on... EW)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Just as long as we don't have anyone sticking up for "Mr. Disco".

And yeah, "Fine Time" is incredibly brilliant. I didn't know that was even in question.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 23:32 (nineteen years ago) link

'Mr Disco' is the best track on Technique except for.. some others. I don't know - there are no weak tracks, for me.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

"Mr. Disco" is basically a second-rate Electronic song. Not so hot.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Funny, I'm putting Age of Consent on a mix CD for my bandmates and (apropos of some of the sentiments upthread) the reason is because it's one of the more "indie" songs by them. That does not make it a bad song, y'know.

Oh, and I hated... HA-HATED 'Fine Time' when I first heard it. Now I love it.

There is actually quite a lot of NO that's not all that hot. But when they get it right...Oooh, boy!!!!

― righteousmaelstrom, Saturday, 30 October 2004 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link

search the last fifteen seconds of "Regret." I will take that against anything and everything recorded by all those Part of the Canon/Hall of Fame characters I regularly impugn -- Dylan, Beatles, Clash, U2, Springsteen, etc. -- now and forever.

. . .

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 30 October 2004 05:40 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...

I still hold to that, Sundar. ;-)

Okay, so update based on Waiting -- I'd include "Guilt is a Useless Emotion," "Krafty" and the title track as definite searches now.

General question, meanwhile -- picked up the 81 NYC/Reading 98 DVD yesterday at last, and noticed there was a Finsbury Park 2002 DVD as well. That any good? And besides that and NewOrderStory, are those the only current official DVDs?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 March 2005 00:45 (nineteen years ago) link

There's are DVD singles for "Crystal" (released in various regions) and "Here to Stay" (PAL only?). There's also a Japanese DVD of the awesome Pumped Full of Drugs which I'm drooling over and will probably break down and order (about $27 USD at amazon.co.jp). I also have a bootleg DVD that has a good quality transfer of the extended Japanese laserdisc version of New Order Story. The 81 NYC show is also known as Taras Shevchenko (and they really should have kept the cover art from the old VHS release).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:09 (nineteen years ago) link

There's also a Japanese DVD of the awesome Pumped Full of Drugs

Whoa, this is new to me -- what is this exactly?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:15 (nineteen years ago) link

See here:
http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/video/pfd.html

The cover is one of Saville's most beautiful:
ihttp://www.niagara.edu/neworder/graphics/pumpedfront.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Nice, for some reason I had never heard of this, and it was a Factory release and all!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I rented Pumped Full of Drugs once, enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. I've heard bad things about the Finsbury Park one, I decided to pass on both of those live DVD's. Still have the 81 NYC Taras Shevchenko on good old VHS and I think it's to DIE for. I've got a bootleg of some early 80's television appearances inc. Temptation.

Really didn't like New Order Story much at all. Too slick, even downright stupid at times.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:22 (nineteen years ago) link

New Order Story is my favorite ever music documentary bar none.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link

But couldn't we have done without Bono's comments for one thing? Or the fake drippingly sexual voice of that female narrator?

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

The voice was initially jarring and I used to hate it, but now I love it, it actually gives me chills. Bono (who's on it for like 10 seconds total, makes himself look and sound stupid (mispronouncing risque etc) which alone makes it classic, but I'm glad he was on it and he makes good comments and asks the big fascist question.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I think my favourite part was when Morris talks about how he's "not a bitter man" cause he could never manage to get into the Hacienda. I like watching them sit around drinking outside, too. Still can't understand why Hooky was in that weird setup, what that was all about.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, no idea, but it's hilarious.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

It made me think they were kinda trying to paint him as this hip cosmopolitan ladies man or something but it all comes off a bit odd.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:48 (nineteen years ago) link

The female narrator adds nothing ... did Paul Morley write her lines?

Neworderstory is a stone cold classic just for the scenes when they bring Tony Wilson on "The NO Show", resulting in a series of squirm-in-your-chair scenes as he trades insults with the band and you're not sure whether they're taking the piss or opening up the silos of resentment they have against each other (the answer, of course, is both).

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah I've got no problem with the Tony bits! Although I did feel for him a bit when they asked him those same old Ian Curtis questions he must have been asked 50 trillion times. He handled it well, though.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you kidding, I think Tony Wilson *loves* the Ian Curtis questions ... he lunges headlong into hyperbole everytime somebody asks about Joy Division -- "yes, bigger than Pink Floyd if he'd lived!".

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 7 March 2005 05:05 (nineteen years ago) link

hahahaha

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 05:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes you are right, he is normally very enthusiastic, but in this case the questions were of the more morbid kind, i.e. "why do you think he did it?"

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 05:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, just watched the Tavas Shevchenko show (for the first time ever) -- jawdropping. I mean, they had enough of a reputation/foresight/luck to get a proper documentation of the show (multiple cameras, reasonable editing, clear recording) and you can hear them practically inventing their own future (as well as those of others). I kept flashing back a bit to try and imagine what the surrounding context was for them and for the audience, and as is often the case with documents like this I wonder most of all what happened with the audience members there up front, already intense and into it and in some cases dancing even.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 March 2005 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link

No no no don't get me started on that video.

I'll just say this: their total lack of...energy on camera just makes the music seem all that much more incredible. They are so completely bored looking, nonchalant, just doing their job, whatever. No rock personalities. Ha ha, I watch them on this thing and I think "look how bored these people look, as if they have no idea that they are creating some of the most brilliant music planet earth has ever known" I mean you wouldn't exactly say it was loaded with on-stage banter or rock theatrics or even palpable PASSION on their faces, would you?

I came to fall in love with some of the versions of songs on that thing.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 09:50 (nineteen years ago) link

they were really funny today on vh1 classic!

― charleston charge (chaki), Monday, 7 March 2005 09:53 (nineteen years ago) link

What exactly does Bono say?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 7 March 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Well I've still got "New Order Play At Home" on a video somewhere in the attic, must dig it out because it's hilarious. Anybody want to do a transfer to DVD?

― Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 7 March 2005 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

No way! Really? A friend of mine told me about that recently and I thought he was just pulling my leg at first, but then he explained that it was something he remembered seeing on telly years ago. I said "wow I bet you could get a lot of money for that if you had a tape now" Shit man, dig it out, I'll figure out how to transfer it.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean not that I'm wanting to make money off it, that's not what I mean. I'm just a crazed New Order fan, as should be obvious by now.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 7 March 2005 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

It's really surreal to watch the Taras Shevchenko video and the Finsbury Park one in the same week. You get to see this very intense, restrained performance on one, and on the other you see Barney running in place while windmilling his arms and going "WOOO!" during songs.

As for the S&D, I accidentally listened to the Low-Life version of Subculture recently. How the hell did that even make it on the album?

― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd really like to see some live footage from say '87 - with BLT etc. That is their height for me.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

there is a video of them live in 1987 in brixton called 'academy', found it in oxfam....there's some risible interview footage ('how did it affect you when your singer killed himself?' 'er, well first of all we didn't have a singer') and yeah, a goooorgeous version of 'bizarre love triangle'....worth trying to find a copy anyway

― Owen Hatherley (owen), Thursday, 10 March 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Ooooh, I'd love to see that!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 10 March 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I was about to say, is that legit?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 March 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

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