Search and Destroy : New Order

Destroy: Republic. (Yuck...)

Destroy -- any and all Revenge discs you find.

Destroy: "Ruined In A Day", "Spooky", "World", as drab a series of singles as any past-it band have let slide out - and after "Regret", too!

Search -- Technique, seeing as every song is great Destroy -- (the best of) New Order: chronological sequencing produces miserable conclusion, except for "Blue Monday" inexplicably made penultimate, and what's with all the dumb remixes??

Destroy: the album version of "Subculture", which is far and away the worst thing they've ever recorded. Honorable mention to "Pineapple Face" by Revenge for being incomprehensible.

When it comes to destroy, it has to be said that "World in Motion" is the worst song recorded by anyone.

EVER.

It almost makes latter day Bryan Adams look cool. The utterly craptastic lyric "Arivaderci it's one on one" alone would qualify it for the honor.

Destroy: Yeah some of those songs on Republic were really cringeworthy, though I think all the other singles are relatively okay.

Destroy:most of the remixes of their songs as they are just poor. Special mention goes to the wonderfully useless Arman van Heldan (?) mix of bizarre love triangle.

"World In Motion" may be a largely useless song, but at least it's sung in tune. I have no idea how much Bernard had been drinking before he recorded the vocals for "Subculture", but let's hope he never ever drinks that much again.

I'm sitting here gritting my teeth just thinking about it...

Destroy: 'Blue Monday', horrifically dull and inexplicable showered with praise.

Destroy: NEW ORDER

But many more could be named, especially in the first category.

destroy: blue monday

Brotherhood side one

Ceremony (the 7" is much better than the version on Substance)

Temptation (the original 12" is much better than the version on Substance)

Sister Ray (live in Rio, from 'Like A Girl I Want You to Keep Coming' one of John Giorno's crappy beatnik compilations)

Destroy:

Republic

the shit cd quality of Brotherhood, Low-Life and Technique

Destroy: (the best of) New Order [English version]

BUT I sort of half-dislike it too, because all the people I know who think "Age of Consent" is their best song are people who despise all of the dancier stuff.

Discuss.

It's probably because Joy Division is such good summertime music.

* Destroy: "State of the Nation" in any and all its mutations/versions... it's so tacky/sucky

* Search "Don't do it" and "Bleachboy"

* Ssearch "Rest of NewOrder" * Destroy "Best of NewOrder"

I am so sure that there are people who will say "That dude Ci got it all wrong!"

By the way people... English is my third language... how do you Anglonauts say it anyways? Is it "Search and Destroy" or "Seek and Destroy." I opt or the "Seek and Destroy."

Cheers

Ci

Also search: 1981/1982 (brilliant), "Doubts Even Here," "Dreams Never End," "The Village," "Regret," the melody (or the Frente cover) of "Bizarre Love Triangle"

Destroy: the vocoder track on PCL, the "three miles to go" song, "Blue Monday," the rest of Republic. Joy Division did "Ceremony" better. I could live without "In a Lonely Place."

so so true... sorry, so late. just wanted a check in the tally column.

... at least that's what I think it's called...

knew it had 'Point' in the title. Kind of epic filmic New Order with a groovy baseline.

Thank you.

Don't give me that, you crazy punk. You cannot live without the versions of "Temptation," "Ceremony," "Blue Monday," "Thieves Like Us," "The Perfect Kiss," "Bizarre Love Triangle" and "True Faith" on the first disc, among other things -- the second disc gilds the lily, making it even more so all around. :-)

Keith, you are certifiable. The only album New Order has released which is better than _Get Ready_ is _Movement_.

http://www.neworderonline.com/mmedia.asp

Dunno if this has been posted before, but... well if so, enjoy it again!

"It was supposed to be @neworder but they apparently had a row about which song to do so only @peterhook turned up - bass Peter Hook all other parts played on @Apple MAC"

https://youtu.be/HaW3GVaAzs8

when this song appeared as snippets between the video clips on the Substance VHS, I connected it to my tape deck and used the pause button to splice them into one song.

Five-night residency in Miami this week. I go tomorrow!

Yeah, I recorded that Peter Hook track on vhs from "The other side of midnight" - apparently they stopped work on it because Tony Wilson liked it.

Bernard Sumner sounds so fucking awful live now, I can't bring myself to see them again. There's a good digitally sourced version of a long version of The Happy One that circulated a while back. I think Hooky tried to get Revenge to flesh out the track and they were set to perform on the tv show, but Rob Gretton told Hooky he couldn't have Revenge do it, so PH did it himself.

yeah, iirc the Hook NO book has Revenge even turning up to the studio on the day, before Gretton stops it on behalf of the others. and Hook being infuriated-but-professional so going on solo and looking like an idiot

here he is recapturing the magic a year ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdH_I-rNoq4

Such good looking chaps. Hoping to see a lot of this material released in the forthcoming PCL definite box set

I never knew this happened, weird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg_i-cu95y0

Oh wow! Donald Johnson nails it. I don’t recognise some of the players, any idea?

I *think* it is New Order and ACR on stage.

maybe some Stockholm Monsters too? 52nd St? I hand brunch with Donald Johnson and Martin Moscrop once.

Factory All Stars Performance

The Tube - Live From Manchester Hacienda - 26th January 1984 including members of New Order, Quando Quango, The Wake, ACR, 52nd Street, etc) doing 'Cool As Ice', 'Shack Up', 'Confusion', and 'Love Will Tear Us Apart'."

Yeah, Madonna was on earlier promoting her third single, Holiday

Thanks for linking the longer video, visiting. That performance of Confusion is amazing!

Oh, shit, here's a performance of "Ceremony" where every member takes a turn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4NVN_uW-pc

Takes a turn singing, that is. (Back when they were a trio.)

There's the early Ceremony demo, I think Western Works? w/ Stephan on vocals...he was never gonna get the part. But I always thought Hooky's vocals on Movement were good.

still awed at how great this song is now that I've seen Barney's "making it up in the dorm room" guitar part

Merrill Aldichieri, apparently, has a ton of rare footage from Hurrah's concerts of the era and won't let any of it out into the wider world for less than top dollar, loads of ppl are kinda mad at him/her.

Bernard Sumner caught it.

“I had a little bit of a temperature, but not much. I had it for four days, then it went away for four days, and then it came back for four days. When it came back, it was more severe, but still not too bad. I just felt extreme fatigue, like a really bad hangover. Then it went away, and I’m okay.

“But I’ve heard horror stories over here about it. A couple people who know people who’ve died from it. I’m very lucky. We got a real serious second wave here. But it seems like Russian roulette. Like, you can get light symptoms, like me, or it can kill you. It’s crazy.”

I just felt extreme fatigue, like a really bad hangover

did he get the feeling he was in motion? a sudden sense of liberty?

Transmissions, a weekly podcast series telling the story of Joy Division and New Order, is currently airing, narrated by Maxine Peake and set to feature guest stars including Bono, Liam Gallagher and Damon Albarn.

no thank you

The examination of the story of JD/NO is approaching Beatles-esque levels of saturation, how much more context/interest can you extract from a bunch of truculent musicians? Most of whom have already written books already.

I was irritated this thing existed too, but it’s been enjoyable.

It's worth it for the Tony Wilson and Peter Saville clips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMIlIIvWZyU

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOoyPT6RoF4

So I bought the Power Corruption and Lies box set and it comes with this goofy documentary from 1984 where Tony Wilson is naked in his bath pontificating with a clothed Gillian Gilbert also soaking in the tub. A couple times you get a glimpse of Little Tony, so there’s that off my bucket list.

omgwtf

i must see this.

for. . . reasons.

I think it's this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPTa5HC2fTo

Who are the women in the gym talking with Gillian?

I think the woman with short cropped hair talking with Gillian is Liz Naylor, editor of City Fun zine.

I think the woman with short cropped hair talking with Gillian is Liz Naylor, editor of City Fun zine.

Ah, OK, so maybe the woman with the spiky hair is Cath Carroll then, seeing as she was both a member of the City Fun team and an artist on the Factory roster.

It's been eons since I just put on "Substance." I've grown so inured to nu-New Order that I'd totally forgotten what a pleasure their innocently rinky-dink early years really are.

stings cousin ruins everything he sings on and is why i liked him in joy division just using his twanger!

BTW there is an Easter egg on DVD 2 of the PCL box set. If you watch to the end of the 1983 Hacienda gig immediately after the entirety of “Video 586” plays with the original primitive computer graphics.

Transmissions, a weekly podcast series telling the story of Joy Division and New Order, is currently airing, narrated by Maxine Peake and set to feature guest stars including Bono, Liam Gallagher and Damon Albarn.

She's an actress who is usually generally pretty good in anything she's in but she really lays it on thick in this series and comes close to ruining it

I think her first big part was in Dinnerladies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEEmABjNkN8

To be fair, some of it is out of her control because the script she's reading is over the top:
"Two of the most influential bands. In. Music. History."

I wonder how much the band members had to do with that -- steering the project towards an exercise in myth building (like that Queen biopic from 2018)

The narrator of NewOrderStory was hilariously, consciously over the top, iirc. That was (looks it up) stage actress Jenny Seagrove.

Think I"m going to buy the 2nd volume of Stephen's memoirs this eve, looking forward to nerdy Oberheim stories.

Don't listen to Chris Coco or Mary Anne Hobbes if Maxine Peake bothers you. They're both much worse imo.

Reading Morris' latest book, thought this was kinda interesting:

“The legend that Factory lost money on every copy of ‘Blue Monday’ is a great myth, but sadly not true. Myths rarely are. If Factory actually lost 5p on every copy sold, as the story goes, they would have gone bust in a matter of months. Nobody is that daft, not even me. (Apparently, by the end of 31 May 1983 Blue Monday had sold 230,340 copies and had made £ 113,477.78 fact fans! It took a long time to discover that.)”

I never believed that such a huge global hit as Blue Monday lost money, Factory probably could have put it out in a gold leaf cover and still broke even in the short term. I bet Tony Tone was always telling his roster of bands they were making fuck all money.

He was always telling New Order they were the only ones making money but they needed to give it back to him to flush down another toilet elsewhere, iirc.

Did anybody see that New Order are/were holding a "Blue Monday" sale today, on their website?

10% off everything.

(I know)