Search and Destroy : New Order

Destroy: Republic. (Yuck...)

Destroy -- any and all Revenge discs you find.

Destroy: "Ruined In A Day", "Spooky", "World", as drab a series of singles as any past-it band have let slide out - and after "Regret", too!

Search -- Technique, seeing as every song is great Destroy -- (the best of) New Order: chronological sequencing produces miserable conclusion, except for "Blue Monday" inexplicably made penultimate, and what's with all the dumb remixes??

Destroy: the album version of "Subculture", which is far and away the worst thing they've ever recorded. Honorable mention to "Pineapple Face" by Revenge for being incomprehensible.

When it comes to destroy, it has to be said that "World in Motion" is the worst song recorded by anyone.

EVER.

It almost makes latter day Bryan Adams look cool. The utterly craptastic lyric "Arivaderci it's one on one" alone would qualify it for the honor.

Destroy: Yeah some of those songs on Republic were really cringeworthy, though I think all the other singles are relatively okay.

Destroy:most of the remixes of their songs as they are just poor. Special mention goes to the wonderfully useless Arman van Heldan (?) mix of bizarre love triangle.

"World In Motion" may be a largely useless song, but at least it's sung in tune. I have no idea how much Bernard had been drinking before he recorded the vocals for "Subculture", but let's hope he never ever drinks that much again.

I'm sitting here gritting my teeth just thinking about it...

Destroy: 'Blue Monday', horrifically dull and inexplicable showered with praise.

Destroy: NEW ORDER

But many more could be named, especially in the first category.

destroy: blue monday

Brotherhood side one

Ceremony (the 7" is much better than the version on Substance)

Temptation (the original 12" is much better than the version on Substance)

Sister Ray (live in Rio, from 'Like A Girl I Want You to Keep Coming' one of John Giorno's crappy beatnik compilations)

Destroy:

Republic

the shit cd quality of Brotherhood, Low-Life and Technique

Destroy: (the best of) New Order [English version]

BUT I sort of half-dislike it too, because all the people I know who think "Age of Consent" is their best song are people who despise all of the dancier stuff.

Discuss.

It's probably because Joy Division is such good summertime music.

* Destroy: "State of the Nation" in any and all its mutations/versions... it's so tacky/sucky

* Search "Don't do it" and "Bleachboy"

* Ssearch "Rest of NewOrder" * Destroy "Best of NewOrder"

I am so sure that there are people who will say "That dude Ci got it all wrong!"

By the way people... English is my third language... how do you Anglonauts say it anyways? Is it "Search and Destroy" or "Seek and Destroy." I opt or the "Seek and Destroy."

Cheers

Ci

Also search: 1981/1982 (brilliant), "Doubts Even Here," "Dreams Never End," "The Village," "Regret," the melody (or the Frente cover) of "Bizarre Love Triangle"

Destroy: the vocoder track on PCL, the "three miles to go" song, "Blue Monday," the rest of Republic. Joy Division did "Ceremony" better. I could live without "In a Lonely Place."

so so true... sorry, so late. just wanted a check in the tally column.

... at least that's what I think it's called...

knew it had 'Point' in the title. Kind of epic filmic New Order with a groovy baseline.

Thank you.

Don't give me that, you crazy punk. You cannot live without the versions of "Temptation," "Ceremony," "Blue Monday," "Thieves Like Us," "The Perfect Kiss," "Bizarre Love Triangle" and "True Faith" on the first disc, among other things -- the second disc gilds the lily, making it even more so all around. :-)

Keith, you are certifiable. The only album New Order has released which is better than _Get Ready_ is _Movement_.

http://www.neworderonline.com/mmedia.asp

Jesus, why even do that over Twitter?

Twitter "threads" and people linking to them by just saying "Thread!" Are the dumbest thing about modern communication. I am happy new Order have settled their issues. Now I just want Hooky to suffer the rest of his life knowing he's an egotistical jackass who, as it turns out, isn't that important to New Orders ability to write and perform great music. All of his side projects were shit with the exception of 2 Monaco songs that sounded like New Order due to Pottsy singing like Bernard. Chapman doesn't ruin songs yelling in the mic like Hook did.

as it turns out, isn't that important to New Orders ability to write and perform great music.

Perform, sure. They sound great these days. But while the last few albums are good, I suspect they'd have been better with Hook involved. His solo work being bad doesn't mean he doesn't make New Order albums better.

One thing for sure is I liked it better when they were faceless ciphers about whom I knew absolutely nothing.

100% agree with your last statement. It was much better in 1988 when I couldn't figure out who did what or even find much information about the band in magazines (being in the US). Sure, Hook's basslines are extremely influential, iconic, etc etc. But after the last 10 years of him spewing shit at the band, and his comments about Gillian, in particular, I just lost all respect for him. I know Chapman isn't half as good, but I did really enjoy the tracks on Music Complete that were clearly in a different style to Hooks. Tutti Frutti and People On The Highline, in particular. Hook may have made their albums better, but his persona on stage, and constant shouts in the mic were detrimental to my enjoyment of their live shows.

So what happened then? Was it basically "here's a big chunk of money now fuck off?"

seems like an increased percentage on revenues from the band (i.e. licensing fee for use of the NO name)

he really seemed to enjoy attacking Gillian in that memoir

I've never understood Hook's attitude towards Gillian. She was essential to the band, IMO.

eh Hook is a guy who had a Zapruder-film like analysis of a long-ago bar fight with his ex and her bf in the photo section while insulting on them in the text, and they'd both died of cancer prior to the book's release, he doesn't like pulling his punches on anyone and he's incapable of letting go of any perceived or minor or perhaps even non-existent slights. i enjoyed the book since it's such a bizarre look into his mind and their career, but boy is he a toxic person.

if he had any humility people might actually give him his proper due. i think tbh Music Complete revealed him not as the secret weapon and heart of the band, but as a quality bonus.

At least all of this has got me listening to Music Complete again... to say I enjoy this more than I did when it was first released is a bit of an understatement.

TOO-TI FROO-TI

BTW, today, the first day or Autumn, is my official 'Crystal' day.

Carry on (and Keep it Coming)

So now that the NO/Hook thing is legally (although I can still imagine a lot of press sniping) laid to rest, do you think it's probably more likely than ever that we'll get to see another New Order album?

http://www.billboard.com/files/media/peter-hook-bernard-sumner-book-billboard-650x430.jpg

I think the sniping and the Hook / Summer writing credits are done for good.

I've been obsessing over the Liminanas' album, Shadow People. Peter Hook plays on this track (and it's pretty great).

https://youtu.be/Piul8Gvos4M

Is "Love Vigilantes," corny or no, the only New Order song that features coherent or at least something other than boilerplate Sumner lyrics? Trying to think of what else might count ...

To use narrative? "True Faith" and "1963" do too.

To use narrative? "True Faith" and "1963" do too.

See, I think of "True Faith" as pretty boilerplate. "1963" ... yeah, I guess that's a pretty straight forward narrative.

"narrative" as it concerns Sumner's drug-inspired fiction is loosely defined as one line following another logically and sequentially

Yeah, I suppose at the very least there is a specific gist to it.

I wonder what compelled him those handfuls of times? He never struck me as the sort to carry around a notebook. More like the sort you have to lock in the room at the end of the sessions and force to come up with something.

I'd have added "Regret" but we might be here all day.. oh wait..

Liar has some coherent / narrative lyrics.

and "Times Change" too. He was learning!

and "Special"! I love "Special" – it was like water down the drain.

I just learned that Robert Frank (RIP) directed the enigmatic, but oddly affecting "Run" video.

Huh. Had either never known or completely forgotten it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJnKf4bBEU

this is a wonderful cover

Wow.

Shares some DNA, retroactively, with "Schizophrenia."

nice, he should do a new order cover album. and i never really noticed before but his and beck's voice are quite similar.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/98/ac/0a/98ac0a07e12212c32e9b8978bdf657b4--dream-baby-punk-rock.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xfPeQrNaoI

never thought about that second meaning that thieves could like them. bernard sumner seems pretty stoned in that interview. great performance of the song, gillian is lovely with her dress.

always figured Thieves Like Us was yet another title Joy Division or New Order just grabbed from the latest repertoire movie listings.

Yeah, I'd read that the film poster in their rehearsal space gave New Order quite a few song titles, including Thieves Like Us:

"The title (= Vanishing Point) is another culled from that faded film poster in their old rehearsal room, which provided 'In a Lonely Place' and 'Thieves Like Us'."

https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/aug/06/new-order-10-of-the-best

According to Bernard Sumner: "We did a concert in Berlin with Joy Division in this old cinema and in the dressing room there was this old, old film poster on the wall. And we stole it, and took it back to our rehearsal room and it listed every film that was going to be on for, like, the next five years at this German cinema. And every time we wanted a title, we'd look at this film poster and pick two or three titles. Like 'The Eternal' came from a film called The Eternal Flame." (Chris Ott, Joy Division's Unknown Pleasures)

That's the kind of thing that someone with enough time could get to the bottom of. In 1980 Joy Division played at Kant Kino, Berlin, so the poster was probably from there. If the internet had existed in 1980 someone could have used that information to predict future New Order song titles. It's probably not as useful now.

There is an alternative world where New Order's second album was called She's 19 and Ready, containing the classic singles "The Maddest Car in the World" and "Housewives on the Job".

By the way the Kant Kino is still going.

Komakino was probably named after the Kant Kino. The concert was a disaster as the room was only half full. The audience couldn't hear Ian sing. I like the following "dialogue":

"When a spectator shouted ,lauter, lauter‘ (louder, louder), Bernard Sumner replied: ,Speak fucking English you German bastard‘."

Dunno if this has been posted before, but... well if so, enjoy it again!

"It was supposed to be @neworder but they apparently had a row about which song to do so only @peterhook turned up - bass Peter Hook all other parts played on @Apple MAC"

https://youtu.be/HaW3GVaAzs8

when this song appeared as snippets between the video clips on the Substance VHS, I connected it to my tape deck and used the pause button to splice them into one song.

Five-night residency in Miami this week. I go tomorrow!

Yeah, I recorded that Peter Hook track on vhs from "The other side of midnight" - apparently they stopped work on it because Tony Wilson liked it.

Bernard Sumner sounds so fucking awful live now, I can't bring myself to see them again. There's a good digitally sourced version of a long version of The Happy One that circulated a while back. I think Hooky tried to get Revenge to flesh out the track and they were set to perform on the tv show, but Rob Gretton told Hooky he couldn't have Revenge do it, so PH did it himself.

yeah, iirc the Hook NO book has Revenge even turning up to the studio on the day, before Gretton stops it on behalf of the others. and Hook being infuriated-but-professional so going on solo and looking like an idiot

here he is recapturing the magic a year ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdH_I-rNoq4

Such good looking chaps. Hoping to see a lot of this material released in the forthcoming PCL definite box set