Search and Destroy : New Order

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You know what to do. My picks : Search for "Avalanche", the instrumental at the end of "Republic". Destroy the single version of " Subculture" - a great album track ruined.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Power Corruption and Lies (easy choice... Age of Consent, Blue Monday etc...)

Destroy: Republic. (Yuck...)

JM, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search -- for everything and worry about the less successful bits later.

Destroy -- any and all Revenge discs you find.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Movement, because it grooves. Destroy: Blue Monday 95 -- god what a dumb idea.

Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: I will be doing precisely this this evening on Napster - "Age Of Consent": their loveliest song-as-such. The most thrilling dance music they made, though, was the 12" of "Bizarre Love Triangle", possibly because it was the first time I ever listened to the rhythms as 'lead instrument' on a track.

Destroy: "Ruined In A Day", "Spooky", "World", as drab a series of singles as any past-it band have let slide out - and after "Regret", too!

Tom, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oddly, Tom picked my two favorite singles so I have to do albums.

Search -- Technique, seeing as every song is great Destroy -- (the best of) New Order: chronological sequencing produces miserable conclusion, except for "Blue Monday" inexplicably made penultimate, and what's with all the dumb remixes??

Ian White, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: "Sunrise", the single version of "Subculture" (since the album version contains some of the most tuneless singing ever recorded), "1963", the entire _Movement album, "Slave" by Revenge.

Destroy: the album version of "Subculture", which is far and away the worst thing they've ever recorded. Honorable mention to "Pineapple Face" by Revenge for being incomprehensible.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I really love most everything New Order has done, so it's difficult to narrow down one thing to "search"; that said, I think Technique is an underrated album.

When it comes to destroy, it has to be said that "World in Motion" is the worst song recorded by anyone.

EVER.

It almost makes latter day Bryan Adams look cool. The utterly craptastic lyric "Arivaderci it's one on one" alone would qualify it for the honor.

Nicole, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: "The Perfect Kiss" (particularly towards the end), the Technique album and "Regret", which is always the first song I think of when someone uses the DREAD phrase "perfect pop".

Destroy: Yeah some of those songs on Republic were really cringeworthy, though I think all the other singles are relatively okay.

Tim, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think 'Republic' contains a couple of real gems (Times Change, Avalanche, Everybody Everywhere) which get missed because of the drab singles after Regret. Only 'World' is really poor, I've always liked 'Ruined in a Day' and 'Spooky'. For me the worst album is 'Brotherhood' particularly the useless 'Every Second Counts'. Again it's not bad, just not up there with their many great moments (All of Low-Life and Power, Corruption..., 'Thieves like us', 'Blue Monday', 'Temptation', 'Everything's Gone Green/Procession' 'Ceremony/IALP', most of 'Movement') If I had to save one New Order album from a burning building it would have to be 'Technique' I'd have to agree with Ned's comments above. Their ratio of fantastic stuff to turds is very very high!

Dr. C, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Brotherhood - nice mix of acoustic and electronic songs. and Technique - as mentioned before, every song is great.

Destroy:most of the remixes of their songs as they are just poor. Special mention goes to the wonderfully useless Arman van Heldan (?) mix of bizarre love triangle.

Nick Greenfield, Thursday, 8 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Nicole:

"World In Motion" may be a largely useless song, but at least it's sung in tune. I have no idea how much Bernard had been drinking before he recorded the vocals for "Subculture", but let's hope he never ever drinks that much again.

I'm sitting here gritting my teeth just thinking about it...

Dan Perry, Friday, 9 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search for: Single version of 'Bizarre Love Triangle', 'Age of Consent', 'Regret', 'Spooky'...

Destroy: 'Blue Monday', horrifically dull and inexplicable showered with praise.

Ally C, Friday, 9 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: JOY DIVISION

Destroy: NEW ORDER

Punkcow, Sunday, 11 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: 'Regret' Destroy: 'State of the Nation'

But many more could be named, especially in the first category.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 20 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

search: temptation also of interest: dreams never end, age of consent, leave me alone, love vigilantes, face up, as it was when it was, 1963, turn the heater on (a cover - [T.Ivarsson] "Turn The Heather On is written by Keith Hudson, a reagge (sic) artist of whom Ian Curtis was a big fan. New Order recorded the song as a tribute to Ian Curtis, they later said that this was the first and last time they ever tried to play reagge (sic)." - well, the cover sounds nothing like reggae)

destroy: blue monday

youn noh, Saturday, 3 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
search: dreams never end: one of the most brilliant songs ever. also ceremony, everything's gone green, in a lonely place, age of consent, leave me alone. destroy: almost everything since power corruption & lies. maybe save temptation.

milton howe, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes - you have to save 'temptation' for someone whose eyes change color with the light.

youn, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What's with all the Blue Monday haters on here? Such a good, semi- creepy song. And on a decent club sound system, it's damn near transcendent. A lot of their other songs are just nasty, though, mostly because their backing tracks remind me of things like Whitney's "I Wanna Dance With Somebody". C'mon, tell me I'm not the only one who hears this.

Dave M., Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I know what you mean. I own 'Substance', but its the second copy - the first I took back because I thought most of the stuff on it sounded like some 80's aerobic session from Hell. Bizzarely, it doesn't have the same effect on me now, which I'm at a total loss to explain.

DG, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search -

Brotherhood side one

Ceremony (the 7" is much better than the version on Substance)

Temptation (the original 12" is much better than the version on Substance)

Sister Ray (live in Rio, from 'Like A Girl I Want You to Keep Coming' one of John Giorno's crappy beatnik compilations)

Destroy:

Republic

the shit cd quality of Brotherhood, Low-Life and Technique

Scott, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

best: technique

worst: blue monday

gareth, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: (the best of) New Order [U.S. version]

Destroy: (the best of) New Order [English version]

Scott, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Why does no one ever mention Age of Consent, which is like one of their bestest songs?

ALly, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, search that. It's very good.

Nick, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I think "Age of Consent" was mentioned as a 'search' more than any other single song on this thread. Anyway, it's generally one of my favorite New Order singles.

BUT I sort of half-dislike it too, because all the people I know who think "Age of Consent" is their best song are people who despise all of the dancier stuff.

Ian, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Now Ian, you know that's not true.

Ally, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Face it Ally, you're totally making the indie-rock-girl choice here. I hope you can live with yourself.

Ian, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

You can say whatever you like about your peers at this so-called Brown University, wherever the hell that is, but in our world in NYC, everyone likes that song, rock chick or not. In NYC, everyone likes dance music, or maybe that's just in Queens but regardless.

Ally, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, but that all bein' said, I'm really not the world's biggest New Order fan. In fact, I probably only like about half of their stuff and much prefer Joy Division.

Discuss.

Ally, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I switch between the two. Right now I prefer New Order. But most of this past spring and summer I was in a Joy Division mood. Before that, like last fall and winter, I was all New Order. I think I was listening to a lot of Joy Division in summer 2000. I don't remember before that but it's definitely alternated several times.

It's probably because Joy Division is such good summertime music.

Ian, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, I know New Dawn Fades makes me think of sex, sand and margaritas.

Ally, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Okay-here we go...

* Destroy: "State of the Nation" in any and all its mutations/versions... it's so tacky/sucky

* Search "Don't do it" and "Bleachboy"

Ci Celikyay, Monday, 24 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I am afraid that this will upset some of us:

* Ssearch "Rest of NewOrder" * Destroy "Best of NewOrder"

I am so sure that there are people who will say "That dude Ci got it all wrong!"

By the way people... English is my third language... how do you Anglonauts say it anyways? Is it "Search and Destroy" or "Seek and Destroy." I opt or the "Seek and Destroy."

Cheers

Ci

Ci Celikyay, Monday, 24 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I vote for "Leave Me Alone" over "Age of Consent" (which is also good) as the best New Order rock song. I love the way the guitars intertwine over Stephen Morris' perfect propulsive-but-holding-back drum track.

Also search: 1981/1982 (brilliant), "Doubts Even Here," "Dreams Never End," "The Village," "Regret," the melody (or the Frente cover) of "Bizarre Love Triangle"

Destroy: the vocoder track on PCL, the "three miles to go" song, "Blue Monday," the rest of Republic. Joy Division did "Ceremony" better. I could live without "In a Lonely Place."

sundar subramanian, Monday, 24 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
Search: "Selfish" by NO side project "The Other Two". Goddamn. perfect synth vocals. You could smack any beat under that at all and turn the thing into a club-burner.

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

sundar - Destroy: the vocoder track on PCL

what - "Ecstasy"? that's, like, the bestest thing on there!

speaking of - look here:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000042O1O/qid=1019160069/sr= 1-3/ref=sr_1_3_3/202-9547012-1697423
dude, where's my tracklisting? too bad about all the litigation, huh...

Paul, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...
scott said about 15 months ago:
Ceremony (the 7" is much better than the version on Substance)

so so true... sorry, so late. just wanted a check in the tally column.

gygax!, Friday, 27 September 2002 02:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Search: just about any 12" version, from everything's gone green on. The only sure fire classic album track not alreay mentioned is the marvelous 'POint of no return'

... at least that's what I think it's called...

jon (jon), Friday, 27 September 2002 06:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Search "Don't do it" - goddammit I was gonna say that. and search Substance (the NO one), but destroy The Best Onf New Order, whatever damn country it comes from.

Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 27 September 2002 06:50 (sixteen years ago) link

jon - Vanishing Point?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 27 September 2002 07:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Ah yes!

knew it had 'Point' in the title. Kind of epic filmic New Order with a groovy baseline.

Thank you.

jon (jon), Friday, 27 September 2002 08:00 (sixteen years ago) link

also search mesh & lonesome tonight, and the confusion and thieves like us remixes (for laughs!) -- i severely underrated the 2nd disc.

youn, Friday, 27 September 2002 09:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Youn, the second disc of _Substance_ is the entire reason to buy that album!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 September 2002 11:23 (sixteen years ago) link

and new order were my favorite band in high school!

youn, Friday, 27 September 2002 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

you also need to destroy the last album which everyone loves but an album which is actually really rather awful.
everything after regret needs to be erased, all extant copies in fact.

keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 29 September 2002 06:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Youn, the second disc of _Substance_ is the entire reason to buy that album!

Don't give me that, you crazy punk. You cannot live without the versions of "Temptation," "Ceremony," "Blue Monday," "Thieves Like Us," "The Perfect Kiss," "Bizarre Love Triangle" and "True Faith" on the first disc, among other things -- the second disc gilds the lily, making it even more so all around. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 29 September 2002 08:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I love the first disc of _Substance_ but few things touch the heights of "In A Lonely Place", "Procession", "Mesh", "Hurt", "Lonesome Tonight", "Murder", "Shame Of The Nation" and "1963".

Keith, you are certifiable. The only album New Order has released which is better than _Get Ready_ is _Movement_.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 29 September 2002 11:22 (sixteen years ago) link

six months pass...

NO obsessives will love this:

http://www.neworderonline.com/mmedia.asp

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 29 March 2003 00:28 (sixteen years ago) link


The Sunkist thing is a bit of a shock!!!

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 29 March 2003 00:30 (sixteen years ago) link

There's a great Periscope from a user named Bob something from the front row that has everything up to Plastic. Really good show. Regret not going now. Subculture sounded huge.

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 19:41 (two years ago) link

they were wonderful earlier this year or last year in Berkeley, whenever that was. Same setlist I think.

akm, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 19:59 (two years ago) link

Barney did a subtle dis on the Cure - paraphrasing but something like 'we got an extra long set for you tonight. like the Cure. wait no, well maybe half as long as the Cure'

Some people in the crowd as we were leaving weren't impressed with the remixing of the classics. I kinda loved it. I also liked the alt version of Waiting for the Siren's Call..

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:01 (two years ago) link

nice they're still playing new songs

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:14 (two years ago) link

They shoot themselves in the foot for not playing the Shep Pettibone mix of Bizarre Love Triangle. The roar they get when the crowd recognizes the intro is huge and this updated version loses that recognition completely. I like the new versions, but I can see the side of those complaining.

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 21:38 (two years ago) link

that sounds like a lovely show and wanted to go to it. i decided not to attend as i have seen New Order too many times around Los Angeles. glad you had fun.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 01:25 (two years ago) link

that's a great set! last time I had tickets to see them I... forgot them in Austin and didn't remember until I got to Houston. oops.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 01:41 (two years ago) link

Last time I saw them I really hadn't been planning to see them, and minus Hook made it tougher to drag me out of the house. But they were great.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 02:10 (two years ago) link

TOO-TI FROO-TI

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 15:53 (two years ago) link

A shame they ain't playing "Academic," which has a good locked-down guitar groove.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 15:55 (two years ago) link

Yeah, 'Academic' was a huge grower for me.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 16:04 (two years ago) link

i saw them at radio city music hall earlier this year and it was awful! felt like they were drably going through the motions to a crowd that only reacted to the most obvious hits. glad to hear that that's not a universal experience these days.

adam, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 17:29 (two years ago) link

I'm kinda glad, in the end, I saw them when I did in 1989 -- I didn't get my beloved "Regret" for obvious reasons, but it was a stellar set and I can say I saw the original lineup before the slow unravelling and reconfigurations.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 17:35 (two years ago) link

Honestly I've passed on seeing them several times because I was worried it was going to be garbage. The show wasnt AMAZING but I was very glad I finally got to see them after all these years.

And yeah its surprising how much I actually like the newer stuff. I kinda wanted to hear Stray Dog. Barney could take the whole song off!

The greedy person in me is sad they didn't play Dream Attack tho =|

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 22:28 (two years ago) link

long thread here about the whys and wherefores of who did and said what to who and what the outcome is after today's
legal settlement story stuff. kinda fascinating, especially the Electronic-paying-for-the-failure-of-Revenge bit which sounds like a classic Wilson move, and i mean that in a nice way.

https://twitter.com/mrmarkreed

piscesx, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 22:33 (two years ago) link

Jesus, why even do that over Twitter?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 22:48 (two years ago) link

Twitter "threads" and people linking to them by just saying "Thread!" Are the dumbest thing about modern communication. I am happy new Order have settled their issues. Now I just want Hooky to suffer the rest of his life knowing he's an egotistical jackass who, as it turns out, isn't that important to New Orders ability to write and perform great music. All of his side projects were shit with the exception of 2 Monaco songs that sounded like New Order due to Pottsy singing like Bernard. Chapman doesn't ruin songs yelling in the mic like Hook did.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 21 September 2017 13:50 (one year ago) link

as it turns out, isn't that important to New Orders ability to write and perform great music.

Perform, sure. They sound great these days. But while the last few albums are good, I suspect they'd have been better with Hook involved. His solo work being bad doesn't mean he doesn't make New Order albums better.

One thing for sure is I liked it better when they were faceless ciphers about whom I knew absolutely nothing.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 21 September 2017 15:15 (one year ago) link

100% agree with your last statement. It was much better in 1988 when I couldn't figure out who did what or even find much information about the band in magazines (being in the US). Sure, Hook's basslines are extremely influential, iconic, etc etc. But after the last 10 years of him spewing shit at the band, and his comments about Gillian, in particular, I just lost all respect for him. I know Chapman isn't half as good, but I did really enjoy the tracks on Music Complete that were clearly in a different style to Hooks. Tutti Frutti and People On The Highline, in particular. Hook may have made their albums better, but his persona on stage, and constant shouts in the mic were detrimental to my enjoyment of their live shows.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 21 September 2017 15:20 (one year ago) link

So what happened then? Was it basically "here's a big chunk of money now fuck off?"

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:02 (one year ago) link

seems like an increased percentage on revenues from the band (i.e. licensing fee for use of the NO name)

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:09 (one year ago) link

he really seemed to enjoy attacking Gillian in that memoir

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:14 (one year ago) link

I've never understood Hook's attitude towards Gillian. She was essential to the band, IMO.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:39 (one year ago) link

eh Hook is a guy who had a Zapruder-film like analysis of a long-ago bar fight with his ex and her bf in the photo section while insulting on them in the text, and they'd both died of cancer prior to the book's release, he doesn't like pulling his punches on anyone and he's incapable of letting go of any perceived or minor or perhaps even non-existent slights. i enjoyed the book since it's such a bizarre look into his mind and their career, but boy is he a toxic person.

nomar, Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:58 (one year ago) link

if he had any humility people might actually give him his proper due. i think tbh Music Complete revealed him not as the secret weapon and heart of the band, but as a quality bonus.

nomar, Thursday, 21 September 2017 20:01 (one year ago) link

At least all of this has got me listening to Music Complete again... to say I enjoy this more than I did when it was first released is a bit of an understatement.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 21 September 2017 20:57 (one year ago) link

TOO-TI FROO-TI

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:02 (one year ago) link

BTW, today, the first day or Autumn, is my official 'Crystal' day.

Carry on (and Keep it Coming)

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 21 September 2017 22:21 (one year ago) link

So now that the NO/Hook thing is legally (although I can still imagine a lot of press sniping) laid to rest, do you think it's probably more likely than ever that we'll get to see another New Order album?

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 23 September 2017 09:58 (one year ago) link

I think the sniping and the Hook / Summer writing credits are done for good.

brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 23 September 2017 16:21 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

I've been obsessing over the Liminanas' album, Shadow People. Peter Hook plays on this track (and it's pretty great).

https://youtu.be/Piul8Gvos4M

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Thursday, 15 February 2018 02:11 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

Is "Love Vigilantes," corny or no, the only New Order song that features coherent or at least something other than boilerplate Sumner lyrics? Trying to think of what else might count ...

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:41 (one year ago) link

To use narrative? "True Faith" and "1963" do too.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 June 2018 14:43 (one year ago) link

To use narrative? "True Faith" and "1963" do too.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 June 2018 14:43 (one year ago) link

See, I think of "True Faith" as pretty boilerplate. "1963" ... yeah, I guess that's a pretty straight forward narrative.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:47 (one year ago) link

"narrative" as it concerns Sumner's drug-inspired fiction is loosely defined as one line following another logically and sequentially

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 June 2018 14:48 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I suppose at the very least there is a specific gist to it.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:56 (one year ago) link

I wonder what compelled him those handfuls of times? He never struck me as the sort to carry around a notebook. More like the sort you have to lock in the room at the end of the sessions and force to come up with something.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:58 (one year ago) link

I'd have added "Regret" but we might be here all day.. oh wait..

Mark G, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:58 (one year ago) link

Liar has some coherent / narrative lyrics.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 15 June 2018 15:00 (one year ago) link

and "Times Change" too. He was learning!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 June 2018 15:07 (one year ago) link

and "Special"! I love "Special" – it was like water down the drain.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 June 2018 15:08 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

I just learned that Robert Frank (RIP) directed the enigmatic, but oddly affecting "Run" video.

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:55 (one week ago) link

Huh. Had either never known or completely forgotten it!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:02 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJnKf4bBEU

this is a wonderful cover

ufo, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 20:56 (one week ago) link

Wow.

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 12 September 2019 02:48 (one week ago) link

Shares some DNA, retroactively, with "Schizophrenia."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 September 2019 03:23 (one week ago) link

nice, he should do a new order cover album. and i never really noticed before but his and beck's voice are quite similar.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 12 September 2019 19:23 (one week ago) link


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