Search and Destroy : New Order

Destroy: Republic. (Yuck...)

Destroy -- any and all Revenge discs you find.

Destroy: "Ruined In A Day", "Spooky", "World", as drab a series of singles as any past-it band have let slide out - and after "Regret", too!

Search -- Technique, seeing as every song is great Destroy -- (the best of) New Order: chronological sequencing produces miserable conclusion, except for "Blue Monday" inexplicably made penultimate, and what's with all the dumb remixes??

Destroy: the album version of "Subculture", which is far and away the worst thing they've ever recorded. Honorable mention to "Pineapple Face" by Revenge for being incomprehensible.

When it comes to destroy, it has to be said that "World in Motion" is the worst song recorded by anyone.

EVER.

It almost makes latter day Bryan Adams look cool. The utterly craptastic lyric "Arivaderci it's one on one" alone would qualify it for the honor.

Destroy: Yeah some of those songs on Republic were really cringeworthy, though I think all the other singles are relatively okay.

Destroy:most of the remixes of their songs as they are just poor. Special mention goes to the wonderfully useless Arman van Heldan (?) mix of bizarre love triangle.

"World In Motion" may be a largely useless song, but at least it's sung in tune. I have no idea how much Bernard had been drinking before he recorded the vocals for "Subculture", but let's hope he never ever drinks that much again.

I'm sitting here gritting my teeth just thinking about it...

Destroy: 'Blue Monday', horrifically dull and inexplicable showered with praise.

Destroy: NEW ORDER

But many more could be named, especially in the first category.

destroy: blue monday

Brotherhood side one

Ceremony (the 7" is much better than the version on Substance)

Temptation (the original 12" is much better than the version on Substance)

Sister Ray (live in Rio, from 'Like A Girl I Want You to Keep Coming' one of John Giorno's crappy beatnik compilations)

Destroy:

Republic

the shit cd quality of Brotherhood, Low-Life and Technique

Destroy: (the best of) New Order [English version]

BUT I sort of half-dislike it too, because all the people I know who think "Age of Consent" is their best song are people who despise all of the dancier stuff.

Discuss.

It's probably because Joy Division is such good summertime music.

* Destroy: "State of the Nation" in any and all its mutations/versions... it's so tacky/sucky

* Search "Don't do it" and "Bleachboy"

* Ssearch "Rest of NewOrder" * Destroy "Best of NewOrder"

I am so sure that there are people who will say "That dude Ci got it all wrong!"

By the way people... English is my third language... how do you Anglonauts say it anyways? Is it "Search and Destroy" or "Seek and Destroy." I opt or the "Seek and Destroy."

Cheers

Ci

Also search: 1981/1982 (brilliant), "Doubts Even Here," "Dreams Never End," "The Village," "Regret," the melody (or the Frente cover) of "Bizarre Love Triangle"

Destroy: the vocoder track on PCL, the "three miles to go" song, "Blue Monday," the rest of Republic. Joy Division did "Ceremony" better. I could live without "In a Lonely Place."

so so true... sorry, so late. just wanted a check in the tally column.

... at least that's what I think it's called...

knew it had 'Point' in the title. Kind of epic filmic New Order with a groovy baseline.

Thank you.

Don't give me that, you crazy punk. You cannot live without the versions of "Temptation," "Ceremony," "Blue Monday," "Thieves Like Us," "The Perfect Kiss," "Bizarre Love Triangle" and "True Faith" on the first disc, among other things -- the second disc gilds the lily, making it even more so all around. :-)

Keith, you are certifiable. The only album New Order has released which is better than _Get Ready_ is _Movement_.

http://www.neworderonline.com/mmedia.asp

And it's a wrap now.

Low-Life box set confirmed:

https://consequence.net/2022/11/new-order-low-life-box-set-the-perfect-kiss-stream/

"new interviews with every band member" hmmm

I'm shellshocked.

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I like Low-Life and always have; it was the first full-length I bought by them after hearing Substance, but I have the 2CD deluxe edition from...2005? 2007? And anyway, no one needs that much live New Order.

there's always room for more live New Order!

The shows they've said are included are some of New Order's best recorded performances. Leuven and Toronto 85 have been on my wish list for a long time. I've seen Leuven on YouTube a handful of times but the full Toronto show has never been released.

I yearn for a New Order \ Mike and the Mechanics reunion

all we need is a miracle

I first saw them on the Low-Life tour and they were at their peak.

Same. Still one of the two or three best shows I've ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywqvSYCIIUM

how on god's earth do you release a "definitive" version of low-life without the extended version of "the perfect kiss"?

iT's AlReAdY oN sUbStAnCe

what do I get out of this

pretty brutal isn't it. can't justify this for the DVDs. hope those show up on s0uls3333k

The full-length extended version is on the 2008 2CD deluxe edition of Low-Life (the one on Substance is missing ~40 seconds). Why they can't include a second disc of bonus tracks (especially for $150) I don't know. I'm getting it for the live stuff though. And I guess because I have the first two and they will all look nice on my shelf.

iT's AlReAdY oN sUbStAnCe

Barely though. The final few minutes of The Perfect Kiss 12" were what all of music up until 1985 was leading to (sez me) and CD/digital versions of Substance butcher it.

^ as f. hazel says (just wanted to reiterate it because it annoys me)

The "bundle" included The Perfect Kiss 12".

Substance 1987 getting a 4CD deluxe reissue in November.

The 2023 reissue sees the audio remastered and expanded to four CDs. This 4CD version includes the original 2CD set and adds two further discs. CD3 expands the collection with alternate versions and extra B-sides, while CD4 features an unreleased concert, Live from Irvine Meadows, California, 12th September 1987, where the band uniquely played the entire album in sequence!

There will also be 2LP and double cassette editions of this reissue with the former available as black or blue/red coloured vinyl. The tape is only available from the New Order shop. There will also be three 12-inch singles released at the same time: ‘True Faith’, ‘True Faith Remix’ and ‘Blue Monday 88’.

Substance 1987 is reissued on 10 November 2023 via Warner Music

Track listing:

CD 1 (remastered)
Ceremony
Everything’s Gone Green
Temptation 87
Blue Monday
Confusion 87
Thieves Like Us
The Perfect Kiss
Sub-Culture
Shellshock
State Of The Nation
Bizarre Love Triangle
True Faith

CD 2 (remastered)
In A Lonely Place
Procession
Cries And Whispers
Hurt
The Beach
Confused Instrumental
Lonesome Tonight
Murder
Thieves Like Us Instrumental
Kiss Of Death
Shame Of The Nation
1963

CD 3
Ceremony (Original)
Mesh
Temptation (12”)
Confusion (Original 12”)
Perfect Pit
Dub Vulture
Shellcock
Bizarre Dub Triangle
True Dub
Confusion (Dub 87)
True Faith (Remix)

CD 4
LIVE FROM IRVINE MEADOWS AMPHITHEATRE, CALIFORNIA 1987
Ceremony
Everything’s Gone Green
Temptation 87
Blue Monday
Confusion 87
Thieves Like Us
The Perfect Kiss
Sub-culture
Shellshock
State Of The Nation
Bizarre Love Triangle
True Faith

Some chat over here:

Represent: Your Favorite Track Off Of New Order - Substance 1987

interesting video if you want to make some BLT-ish sounds with your synths:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc3ioyFpqxs

New Order's Get Ready is their Abbey Road. The Beatles were unimpeachable throughout the 60s then at the turn of a new decade, when new production techniques made a fuller, warmer sound possible, they made one last album that showed they could have been world-beaters in that decade too. But it wasn't to be. Similarly, with Get Ready. New Order were unimpeachable throughout the 80s then at the turn of a new decade (admittedly after skipping most of the previous one), they made an album with a warmer fuller sound made possible by new production techniques. In both cases their prior albums are still great but if one first plays Abbey Road/Get Ready and then returns to the earlier stuff, the production seems noticeably lacking by contrast. Both albums are a tragic case of what might have been. It's taken a very long time for Abbey Road to seize the crown from Sgt. Pepper in most top albums lists, and perhaps an obstacle to this has been one particularly disliked track, Maxwell's Silver Hammer (or, for McCartney fans, She's So Heavy), but even here there's a parallel with Get Ready and Rock the Shack, which eventually will be seen as just a minor annoyance on a truly classic album.

You're most likely right. Simpler for me: I love Movement thru Technique, and I also love Get Ready and Waiting for the Sirens' Call, and that's my New Order story.

Hm. I don't care much for production, as in, I don't dismiss albums because of their production; but New Order are one of the rare albums best at producing themselves, and Steve Osbourne's production is way too emphatic on an otherwise solid bunch of songs.

*one of the rare bands

The band that produced the earlier albums no longer existed by that time, in the sense of four people that could work in a room together and take delight in / expand on each other’s ideas. The songs themselves would likely have been developed more interestingly, with more variation, if they had; this is probably Osborne’s greater impact, rather than the “sound” of his production.

(just checked Waiting credits after posting, and Stuart Price has a writing credit on Jetstream, which tracks — the pulse and build kinda feels like a TWD joint even on the fairly weedy original)

I'm not debating whether they needed an outside producer. Gillian Gilbert was gone as a touring member by 2001 and not there at all in 2005. As a unit of songs I prefer WFTSC to GR.

Just expanding on the discussion, not arguing with any posts.

An obvious distinction is that the Beatles had recorded like 4 albums worth of stuff in the previous 3 years and knew it was their last record and were going out with a bang, but with Get Ready New Order hadn't done much for almost a decade and wanted people to know that they were not a spent force and touring with Moby etc to keep the summer alive. Very different motives.

And the Beatles were all in their 20s with wide open futures, whereas Bernard etc were 45-ish with few prospects outside of New Krder continuing.

It's also a huge stretch to assume that Abbey Road and Get Ready are the best produced/recorded albums from these bands. Some would agree but not most.

I think Get Ready is where their songwriting really drops off - Crystal felt at the time like it was extending their run of unimpeachable singles - & the production definitely helped it feel vital and relevant on release - but it has dated woefully I reckon, now the aural sheen is less enticing it is revealed as bit of a plod.

I'm aware of Here Comes the Sun now being the Beatles' most streamed song on Spotify but interested to hear more about Abbey Road now topping albums lists. Pepper > Abbey Road seems unlikely as it ignores Revolver taking over in affections around the turn of the century, but I guess that wrinkle is by the by.

I think Abbey Road has always been more highly regarded in the US than the UK

I've often thought of "Crystal" as a knockoff of "A Forest", perhaps payback for the times The Cure ripped off NO.

Xpost to emsworth...it is another dissimilarity.Abbey Road has some of their most popular songs. Get Ready doesn't. Doesn't mean that it is not a good album.

Abbey Road's ascent to the top of the Beatles pile is a boring development imo.

"Crystal" is phenomenal, my favourite thing they've done in the last 30 years in a heartbeat. I know that's hardly controversial. As for NO maybe ripping the Cure though what about All the Way/Just Like Heaven ?

There is a 93 radio interview where Hooky keeps getting asked about the Cure and he mentions his mother being very pissed about Inbetween Days.

I always thought Sunrise and A Forest had some light similarities - esp the intro. Now I listen to Sunrise again it sounds like a better version of Crystal!

My personal TRANSCENDENT NEW ORDER canon has a hard cut-off at Regret (but I retain a real soft spot for Music Complete for some reason).

Also generally re:this thread I associate NO's increasing use - even reliance - on outside producers to just be a reflection of 'we cannot function as a collaborative 20-something unit anymore' more than anything else. Mostly they seem to choose people to keep them sounding like themselves. Xenomania were an exception and it didn't work out. Ofc Hague infamously decided New Order meant Barney rather more than Hooky, at least if you believe the latter's account, but I go along with it given the conspicuous underuse of him on Republic.

xpost to Business: that's sadly true about their respective ages. I guess my analogy would be stronger if Republic had never happened and Get Ready was the follow up to Technique, after which they'd disbanded. At this distance though that's kind of how I remembered it. Also it's not that Abbey Road and Get Ready were necessarily each band's best recorded albums but that they both involved a big shift to a more modern polished production style that could have given them a whole new lease on life if they hadn't acrimoniously split up instead (post-Hook New Order isn't New Order).

Sure. And interestingly the 4 Beatles immediately reverted to more basic or traditional (eg. Phil Spector) producing styles for their solo albums afterwards.

It's also a huge stretch to assume that Abbey Road and Get Ready are the best produced/recorded albums from these bands. Some would agree but not most.

it’s absolute nonsense but a great necrochallop

Oh I see - Rolling Stone put Abbey Road highest recently. I guess I've stopped paying attention to these lists

Ridiculous!

(the placement I mean, not paying attention is eminently sensible)

remember how billy corgan was in the live band for a bit when they toured get ready

Ridiculous!