Search and Destroy : New Order

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You know what to do. My picks : Search for "Avalanche", the instrumental at the end of "Republic". Destroy the single version of " Subculture" - a great album track ruined.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Search: Power Corruption and Lies (easy choice... Age of Consent, Blue Monday etc...)

Destroy: Republic. (Yuck...)

JM, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Search -- for everything and worry about the less successful bits later.

Destroy -- any and all Revenge discs you find.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Search: Movement, because it grooves. Destroy: Blue Monday 95 -- god what a dumb idea.

Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Search: I will be doing precisely this this evening on Napster - "Age Of Consent": their loveliest song-as-such. The most thrilling dance music they made, though, was the 12" of "Bizarre Love Triangle", possibly because it was the first time I ever listened to the rhythms as 'lead instrument' on a track.

Destroy: "Ruined In A Day", "Spooky", "World", as drab a series of singles as any past-it band have let slide out - and after "Regret", too!

Tom, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Oddly, Tom picked my two favorite singles so I have to do albums.

Search -- Technique, seeing as every song is great Destroy -- (the best of) New Order: chronological sequencing produces miserable conclusion, except for "Blue Monday" inexplicably made penultimate, and what's with all the dumb remixes??

Ian White, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Search: "Sunrise", the single version of "Subculture" (since the album version contains some of the most tuneless singing ever recorded), "1963", the entire _Movement album, "Slave" by Revenge.

Destroy: the album version of "Subculture", which is far and away the worst thing they've ever recorded. Honorable mention to "Pineapple Face" by Revenge for being incomprehensible.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I really love most everything New Order has done, so it's difficult to narrow down one thing to "search"; that said, I think Technique is an underrated album.

When it comes to destroy, it has to be said that "World in Motion" is the worst song recorded by anyone.

EVER.

It almost makes latter day Bryan Adams look cool. The utterly craptastic lyric "Arivaderci it's one on one" alone would qualify it for the honor.

Nicole, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Search: "The Perfect Kiss" (particularly towards the end), the Technique album and "Regret", which is always the first song I think of when someone uses the DREAD phrase "perfect pop".

Destroy: Yeah some of those songs on Republic were really cringeworthy, though I think all the other singles are relatively okay.

Tim, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I think 'Republic' contains a couple of real gems (Times Change, Avalanche, Everybody Everywhere) which get missed because of the drab singles after Regret. Only 'World' is really poor, I've always liked 'Ruined in a Day' and 'Spooky'. For me the worst album is 'Brotherhood' particularly the useless 'Every Second Counts'. Again it's not bad, just not up there with their many great moments (All of Low-Life and Power, Corruption..., 'Thieves like us', 'Blue Monday', 'Temptation', 'Everything's Gone Green/Procession' 'Ceremony/IALP', most of 'Movement') If I had to save one New Order album from a burning building it would have to be 'Technique' I'd have to agree with Ned's comments above. Their ratio of fantastic stuff to turds is very very high!

Dr. C, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Search: Brotherhood - nice mix of acoustic and electronic songs. and Technique - as mentioned before, every song is great.

Destroy:most of the remixes of their songs as they are just poor. Special mention goes to the wonderfully useless Arman van Heldan (?) mix of bizarre love triangle.

Nick Greenfield, Thursday, 8 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Nicole:

"World In Motion" may be a largely useless song, but at least it's sung in tune. I have no idea how much Bernard had been drinking before he recorded the vocals for "Subculture", but let's hope he never ever drinks that much again.

I'm sitting here gritting my teeth just thinking about it...

Dan Perry, Friday, 9 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Search for: Single version of 'Bizarre Love Triangle', 'Age of Consent', 'Regret', 'Spooky'...

Destroy: 'Blue Monday', horrifically dull and inexplicable showered with praise.

Ally C, Friday, 9 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Search: JOY DIVISION

Destroy: NEW ORDER

Punkcow, Sunday, 11 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Search: 'Regret' Destroy: 'State of the Nation'

But many more could be named, especially in the first category.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 20 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

search: temptation also of interest: dreams never end, age of consent, leave me alone, love vigilantes, face up, as it was when it was, 1963, turn the heater on (a cover - [T.Ivarsson] "Turn The Heather On is written by Keith Hudson, a reagge (sic) artist of whom Ian Curtis was a big fan. New Order recorded the song as a tribute to Ian Curtis, they later said that this was the first and last time they ever tried to play reagge (sic)." - well, the cover sounds nothing like reggae)

destroy: blue monday

youn noh, Saturday, 3 March 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
search: dreams never end: one of the most brilliant songs ever. also ceremony, everything's gone green, in a lonely place, age of consent, leave me alone. destroy: almost everything since power corruption & lies. maybe save temptation.

milton howe, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Yes - you have to save 'temptation' for someone whose eyes change color with the light.

youn, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

What's with all the Blue Monday haters on here? Such a good, semi- creepy song. And on a decent club sound system, it's damn near transcendent. A lot of their other songs are just nasty, though, mostly because their backing tracks remind me of things like Whitney's "I Wanna Dance With Somebody". C'mon, tell me I'm not the only one who hears this.

Dave M., Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I know what you mean. I own 'Substance', but its the second copy - the first I took back because I thought most of the stuff on it sounded like some 80's aerobic session from Hell. Bizzarely, it doesn't have the same effect on me now, which I'm at a total loss to explain.

DG, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Search -

Brotherhood side one

Ceremony (the 7" is much better than the version on Substance)

Temptation (the original 12" is much better than the version on Substance)

Sister Ray (live in Rio, from 'Like A Girl I Want You to Keep Coming' one of John Giorno's crappy beatnik compilations)

Destroy:

Republic

the shit cd quality of Brotherhood, Low-Life and Technique

Scott, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

best: technique

worst: blue monday

gareth, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Search: (the best of) New Order [U.S. version]

Destroy: (the best of) New Order [English version]

Scott, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
Why does no one ever mention Age of Consent, which is like one of their bestest songs?

ALly, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, search that. It's very good.

Nick, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I think "Age of Consent" was mentioned as a 'search' more than any other single song on this thread. Anyway, it's generally one of my favorite New Order singles.

BUT I sort of half-dislike it too, because all the people I know who think "Age of Consent" is their best song are people who despise all of the dancier stuff.

Ian, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Now Ian, you know that's not true.

Ally, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Face it Ally, you're totally making the indie-rock-girl choice here. I hope you can live with yourself.

Ian, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

You can say whatever you like about your peers at this so-called Brown University, wherever the hell that is, but in our world in NYC, everyone likes that song, rock chick or not. In NYC, everyone likes dance music, or maybe that's just in Queens but regardless.

Ally, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, but that all bein' said, I'm really not the world's biggest New Order fan. In fact, I probably only like about half of their stuff and much prefer Joy Division.

Discuss.

Ally, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I switch between the two. Right now I prefer New Order. But most of this past spring and summer I was in a Joy Division mood. Before that, like last fall and winter, I was all New Order. I think I was listening to a lot of Joy Division in summer 2000. I don't remember before that but it's definitely alternated several times.

It's probably because Joy Division is such good summertime music.

Ian, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I know New Dawn Fades makes me think of sex, sand and margaritas.

Ally, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Okay-here we go...

* Destroy: "State of the Nation" in any and all its mutations/versions... it's so tacky/sucky

* Search "Don't do it" and "Bleachboy"

Ci Celikyay, Monday, 24 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I am afraid that this will upset some of us:

* Ssearch "Rest of NewOrder" * Destroy "Best of NewOrder"

I am so sure that there are people who will say "That dude Ci got it all wrong!"

By the way people... English is my third language... how do you Anglonauts say it anyways? Is it "Search and Destroy" or "Seek and Destroy." I opt or the "Seek and Destroy."

Cheers

Ci

Ci Celikyay, Monday, 24 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I vote for "Leave Me Alone" over "Age of Consent" (which is also good) as the best New Order rock song. I love the way the guitars intertwine over Stephen Morris' perfect propulsive-but-holding-back drum track.

Also search: 1981/1982 (brilliant), "Doubts Even Here," "Dreams Never End," "The Village," "Regret," the melody (or the Frente cover) of "Bizarre Love Triangle"

Destroy: the vocoder track on PCL, the "three miles to go" song, "Blue Monday," the rest of Republic. Joy Division did "Ceremony" better. I could live without "In a Lonely Place."

sundar subramanian, Monday, 24 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Search: "Selfish" by NO side project "The Other Two". Goddamn. perfect synth vocals. You could smack any beat under that at all and turn the thing into a club-burner.

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

sundar - Destroy: the vocoder track on PCL

what - "Ecstasy"? that's, like, the bestest thing on there!

speaking of - look here:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000042O1O/qid=1019160069/sr= 1-3/ref=sr_1_3_3/202-9547012-1697423
dude, where's my tracklisting? too bad about all the litigation, huh...

Paul, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
scott said about 15 months ago:
Ceremony (the 7" is much better than the version on Substance)

so so true... sorry, so late. just wanted a check in the tally column.

gygax!, Friday, 27 September 2002 02:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: just about any 12" version, from everything's gone green on. The only sure fire classic album track not alreay mentioned is the marvelous 'POint of no return'

... at least that's what I think it's called...

jon (jon), Friday, 27 September 2002 06:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Search "Don't do it" - goddammit I was gonna say that. and search Substance (the NO one), but destroy The Best Onf New Order, whatever damn country it comes from.

Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 27 September 2002 06:50 (eighteen years ago) link

jon - Vanishing Point?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 27 September 2002 07:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah yes!

knew it had 'Point' in the title. Kind of epic filmic New Order with a groovy baseline.

Thank you.

jon (jon), Friday, 27 September 2002 08:00 (eighteen years ago) link

also search mesh & lonesome tonight, and the confusion and thieves like us remixes (for laughs!) -- i severely underrated the 2nd disc.

youn, Friday, 27 September 2002 09:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Youn, the second disc of _Substance_ is the entire reason to buy that album!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 September 2002 11:23 (eighteen years ago) link

and new order were my favorite band in high school!

youn, Friday, 27 September 2002 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

you also need to destroy the last album which everyone loves but an album which is actually really rather awful.
everything after regret needs to be erased, all extant copies in fact.

keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 29 September 2002 06:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Youn, the second disc of _Substance_ is the entire reason to buy that album!

Don't give me that, you crazy punk. You cannot live without the versions of "Temptation," "Ceremony," "Blue Monday," "Thieves Like Us," "The Perfect Kiss," "Bizarre Love Triangle" and "True Faith" on the first disc, among other things -- the second disc gilds the lily, making it even more so all around. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 29 September 2002 08:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the first disc of _Substance_ but few things touch the heights of "In A Lonely Place", "Procession", "Mesh", "Hurt", "Lonesome Tonight", "Murder", "Shame Of The Nation" and "1963".

Keith, you are certifiable. The only album New Order has released which is better than _Get Ready_ is _Movement_.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 29 September 2002 11:22 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...

NO obsessives will love this:

http://www.neworderonline.com/mmedia.asp

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 29 March 2003 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link


The Sunkist thing is a bit of a shock!!!

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 29 March 2003 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Takes a turn singing, that is. (Back when they were a trio.)

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 April 2020 02:25 (one year ago) link

There's the early Ceremony demo, I think Western Works? w/ Stephan on vocals...he was never gonna get the part. But I always thought Hooky's vocals on Movement were good.

dan selzer, Thursday, 2 April 2020 03:22 (one year ago) link

still awed at how great this song is now that I've seen Barney's "making it up in the dorm room" guitar part

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 2 April 2020 06:00 (one year ago) link

Merrill Aldichieri, apparently, has a ton of rare footage from Hurrah's concerts of the era and won't let any of it out into the wider world for less than top dollar, loads of ppl are kinda mad at him/her.

Maresn3st, Thursday, 2 April 2020 09:34 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

Bernard Sumner caught it.

“I had a little bit of a temperature, but not much. I had it for four days, then it went away for four days, and then it came back for four days. When it came back, it was more severe, but still not too bad. I just felt extreme fatigue, like a really bad hangover. Then it went away, and I’m okay.

“But I’ve heard horror stories over here about it. A couple people who know people who’ve died from it. I’m very lucky. We got a real serious second wave here. But it seems like Russian roulette. Like, you can get light symptoms, like me, or it can kill you. It’s crazy.”

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 November 2020 01:21 (ten months ago) link

I just felt extreme fatigue, like a really bad hangover

did he get the feeling he was in motion? a sudden sense of liberty?

thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Monday, 16 November 2020 05:14 (ten months ago) link

Transmissions, a weekly podcast series telling the story of Joy Division and New Order, is currently airing, narrated by Maxine Peake and set to feature guest stars including Bono, Liam Gallagher and Damon Albarn.

no thank you

the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Monday, 16 November 2020 05:18 (ten months ago) link

The examination of the story of JD/NO is approaching Beatles-esque levels of saturation, how much more context/interest can you extract from a bunch of truculent musicians? Most of whom have already written books already.

Maresn3st, Monday, 16 November 2020 11:23 (ten months ago) link

I was irritated this thing existed too, but it’s been enjoyable.

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 16 November 2020 15:29 (ten months ago) link

It's worth it for the Tony Wilson and Peter Saville clips

nate woolls, Monday, 16 November 2020 21:03 (ten months ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMIlIIvWZyU

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:38 (nine months ago) link

heart emoji

the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 21:50 (nine months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOoyPT6RoF4

pomenitul, Friday, 4 December 2020 02:23 (nine months ago) link

So I bought the Power Corruption and Lies box set and it comes with this goofy documentary from 1984 where Tony Wilson is naked in his bath pontificating with a clothed Gillian Gilbert also soaking in the tub. A couple times you get a glimpse of Little Tony, so there’s that off my bucket list.

Ape Hole Road (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 4 December 2020 04:09 (nine months ago) link

omgwtf

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 4 December 2020 04:15 (nine months ago) link

i must see this.

for. . . reasons.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 4 December 2020 04:16 (nine months ago) link

I think it's this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPTa5HC2fTo

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 4 December 2020 06:10 (nine months ago) link

Who are the women in the gym talking with Gillian?

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 4 December 2020 14:41 (nine months ago) link

I think the woman with short cropped hair talking with Gillian is Liz Naylor, editor of City Fun zine.

jvc, Friday, 4 December 2020 15:29 (nine months ago) link

I think the woman with short cropped hair talking with Gillian is Liz Naylor, editor of City Fun zine.


I honestly thought Gilbert was in a women’s prison

Ape Hole Road (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 4 December 2020 15:49 (nine months ago) link

Ah, OK, so maybe the woman with the spiky hair is Cath Carroll then, seeing as she was both a member of the City Fun team and an artist on the Factory roster.

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 4 December 2020 16:04 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...

It's been eons since I just put on "Substance." I've grown so inured to nu-New Order that I'd totally forgotten what a pleasure their innocently rinky-dink early years really are.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 December 2020 23:14 (nine months ago) link

stings cousin ruins everything he sings on and is why i liked him in joy division just using his twanger!

xzanfar, Saturday, 19 December 2020 00:20 (nine months ago) link

BTW there is an Easter egg on DVD 2 of the PCL box set. If you watch to the end of the 1983 Hacienda gig immediately after the entirety of “Video 586” plays with the original primitive computer graphics.

Yes Virginia, there really is a (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 19 December 2020 03:27 (nine months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Transmissions, a weekly podcast series telling the story of Joy Division and New Order, is currently airing, narrated by Maxine Peake and set to feature guest stars including Bono, Liam Gallagher and Damon Albarn.

I've been listening to this, which is really interesting for the band interviews -- who knew that Barney was off sailing for the day with Section 25 when he found out Ian Curtis was dead -- but I just can't deal with the narration. Who is Maxine Peake, and why does she deliver every line like "I'm about to tell the you the most epic thing in the history of music!". It's like it's narrated by a high school kid trying too hard to project gravitas.

enochroot, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 00:45 (eight months ago) link

She's an actress who is usually generally pretty good in anything she's in but she really lays it on thick in this series and comes close to ruining it

I think her first big part was in Dinnerladies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEEmABjNkN8

nate woolls, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 04:54 (eight months ago) link

To be fair, some of it is out of her control because the script she's reading is over the top:
"Two of the most influential bands. In. Music. History."

I wonder how much the band members had to do with that -- steering the project towards an exercise in myth building (like that Queen biopic from 2018)

enochroot, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 13:43 (eight months ago) link

The narrator of NewOrderStory was hilariously, consciously over the top, iirc. That was (looks it up) stage actress Jenny Seagrove.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:47 (eight months ago) link

Think I"m going to buy the 2nd volume of Stephen's memoirs this eve, looking forward to nerdy Oberheim stories.

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:12 (eight months ago) link

Don't listen to Chris Coco or Mary Anne Hobbes if Maxine Peake bothers you. They're both much worse imo.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:18 (eight months ago) link

Reading Morris' latest book, thought this was kinda interesting:

“The legend that Factory lost money on every copy of ‘Blue Monday’ is a great myth, but sadly not true. Myths rarely are. If Factory actually lost 5p on every copy sold, as the story goes, they would have gone bust in a matter of months. Nobody is that daft, not even me. (Apparently, by the end of 31 May 1983 Blue Monday had sold 230,340 copies and had made £ 113,477.78 fact fans! It took a long time to discover that.)”

Maresn3st, Monday, 18 January 2021 21:18 (eight months ago) link

I never believed that such a huge global hit as Blue Monday lost money, Factory probably could have put it out in a gold leaf cover and still broke even in the short term. I bet Tony Tone was always telling his roster of bands they were making fuck all money.

calzino, Monday, 18 January 2021 22:01 (eight months ago) link

He was always telling New Order they were the only ones making money but they needed to give it back to him to flush down another toilet elsewhere, iirc.

shivers me timber (sic), Monday, 18 January 2021 22:28 (eight months ago) link

Did anybody see that New Order are/were holding a "Blue Monday" sale today, on their website?

10% off everything.

(I know)

Mark G, Monday, 18 January 2021 23:36 (eight months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Mark Refoy of Spiritualized/Slipstream etc. remembering one of the very first New Order gigs, plus photos etc. Great little post capturing the moment:

https://www.facebook.com/markrefoy/posts/10160631150412437

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 February 2021 16:43 (seven months ago) link

seven months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Gjycc5ejc

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 14:51 (one week ago) link

I've always liked that (mostly mimed?) clip. They all look like they are on different drugs.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 14:59 (one week ago) link

tbh, i thought this revive was about hooky selling off more stuff.

mark e, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 18:15 (one week ago) link

^^ there is no end to this

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 19:46 (one week ago) link

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Be0AAOSwEdFhBArL/s-l400.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 19:56 (one week ago) link

what has Hook sold before and is selling now?

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 20:10 (one week ago) link

The YouTube description of that Procession says it's "a new edit of archive footage of New Order, recut and synced to their song Procession". I think it's fan made, not an official clip.

Derek and Clive Get the Horn Street (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 20:59 (one week ago) link

Some amazing stuff for sale. Martin Hannett 7” reels!

dan selzer, Thursday, 9 September 2021 04:46 (one week ago) link

Anyone who buys that Prophet-5 and expects it to be functional after 35 years in storage is in for a grievous disappointment.

Vast Halo, Thursday, 9 September 2021 08:30 (one week ago) link

Some of the stuff in there is utterly daft, and some of it is super awesome.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 September 2021 16:59 (one week ago) link

One of his last auctions had a bass amp, the same as the one in my garage.

Allowing for the "yeah, but that one was owned by Peter Hook", the opening bid price was surprisingly high.

Mark G, Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:02 (one week ago) link

i enjoyed looking at what was in "hooky's post-punk record collection(s)"

dan selzer, Thursday, 9 September 2021 18:34 (one week ago) link


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