basic channel/maurizio/chain reaction, s&d

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OCP (OCP), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 02:49 (nineteen years ago) link

oh shit!
as far as i can tell, all the maurizio 12"s are great. there is also a cd compiling some of them. i havent heard all of the BC singles, but I like the Subtance 12" a lot. as for CR, i dont have any 12"s (yet!!!) but I like "Hong Kong" by Monolake, "Decay Product" by Various Artists, and the Porter Ricks album. Also, check "Showcase" by Rhythm and Sound on Burial Mix (I think).

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 02:59 (nineteen years ago) link

search:

"1.2" by resilient
"no. 8" by various artists
"m6" by maurizio
"lantau/macao" by monolake
any of the early porter ricks 12"s, but especially the "redundance" double pack
the basic channel collection cd
and the scion "arrange and process basic channel" cd

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 03:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Obviously search for both Basic Channel cds.
plus: Phylyps Trak II and The Basic Reshape of 'The Climax'

The second self-titled Rhythm & Sound cd (esp. 'Trace' and 'Roll Off')

The Maurizio cd is also excellent (M7 is my favorite track). Must get the Ploy 12" one of these days, seems it has been rereleased along with all BC 12"s.

and those CR albums Aaron mentions + 'Relish' by Substance and 'Elevation' by Vainqueur.

Omar (Omar), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

BC:
Check almost any, but they range from more ambient washed out numbers to harder techno w/ trademark washed out synth stuff... Phylyps Track II is a staple for dj's of many genres (even detroit booty djs play it on 45)

Maurizio:
All are considered classics by many - personal fav's are M3, M5, M6, M7

Chain Reaction:
Havent heard all but most are nice, a continuation of BC with increasingly refined production and newer talent added to the roster.. Personal favorite releases from the ones I know: Substance - "Relish", Pelon - "No Stunts", Porter Ricks - "Port of Nuba", Vladislav Delay - "Huone", Fluxion - "Largo" 2x12".

pete from the street, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i had no idea basic channel had remixed the climax - what do they do to it?

phylyps seconded, plus king of the empire and faith by r&s.

nebbesh (nebbesh), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

thirdered

nebbesh (nebbesh), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

bc's climax is pretty washed out ambient dub-tech, the beat is way down in the mix. most traces of carl craig are gone- but beautiful in its own right.. worth checking, appears on some of the planet e re-issues of the single.

pete from the street, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

vainquer - lyot (maurizio mix)

still

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Search -the Vainquer Metal box, Rythm and Sound w/ Tikiman and w/the artists. I dont like the Porter Ricks metal box but i tried.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

scary to think that some of these tracks are 10 years old now.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

ah yes Various Artists i completlely forgot about that CD and it could be the best of the lot.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

what i have been wondering ... since i got the big wireless laptop / broadband combo in the stocking this year ... is it worth d/l all the basic channel / maurizio tracks that i have on comps?

lots of the web reviews say things like "of course you can't FULLY experience the deepness of the M tracks unless you hear them in their full 19 minute unedited versions". i've been considering tracking down the nonedits and making a 6cd comp of all the M/BC stuff but i'm not sure it's entirely worth it.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link

furthermore, don't believe the hype on dissing the "main street" tracks. if you ever find this comp you MUST buy it.

there's "I'm Your Brother", which finds Rhythm&Sound succumbing to their most deeply closeted gay house tendencies. then a Ron Trent remix that's incredible woozy bliss in a non-dubhouse style, followed by an amazing basic channel dub of the same track that sends it into deep outerspace.

there's Tikiman's "Find A Way", which is 9 minutes of astounding roots vocals over what sounds like the warmest, trad-housiest maurizio track ever. there's the "Na Fe Throw It" version, which is this totally nocturnal crawlspace between faint static and fat bass tones.

i can't believe biba kopf called this "uninspired mainstream house" or some nonsense like that.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

These folk always fear Mainstream House, as if all of House musics myriad variations had sprung up fully formed bypassing traditional house completely. Its one of the things that pissed me off about The Wire.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i've been considering tracking down the nonedits and making a 6cd comp of all the M/BC stuff

I was actually thinking of doing the same thing but after awhile I lost interest. I'm filling the gaps of the Basic Channel cd by buying the BC-1, BC-7 and maybe BC-9 reissues.

But now it seems I have to go and seek that Main Street cd.

Omar (Omar), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Search:
Infiniti - Think Quick (Remodelled By Moritz Von Oswald)[metroplex 12"]
Domina - Maurizio mix [m 12"]
Basic Channel - Octaedre/Octagon [basic channel 12"]
Substance - Plate Element 3 from Substance Session Elements Metal Box [chain reaction CD]
Quadrant - Infinition [basic channel 12"]
Round One feat Andy Caine - I'm Your Brother (Quadrant Dub) [main st 12"]
Round Two - New Day (Club Vocal Mix) [main st 12"]
Rhythm & Sound with Tikiman - Music a Fe Rule Part1 & Part 2 [rhythm & sound 12"]
Rhythm & Sound with Tikiman - What a Mistry/Dub [burial mix 12"]
Rhythm & Sound - Mango Drive from rhythm & sound - mango walk [burial mix 12"]
Cyrus - Enforcement (Recall) [basic channel 12"]
Monolake - Gobi the Desert EP [Monolake / Imbalance Computer Music CD]

bakhtin, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 08:03 (nineteen years ago) link

if you ever find this comp you MUST buy it.

...and find it I did. Thanks vahid, for...well...making such a good case for this cd, because it is pretty amazing, not at all what you would expect.

Omar (Omar), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
so how great is eleye??

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 12 November 2006 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Search Monolake "Magenta I/II"!

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 13 November 2006 07:33 (sixteen years ago) link

search: round two 'new day'

H2-H4 (H2-H4), Monday, 13 November 2006 10:04 (sixteen years ago) link

new substance + vainqueur 12" is fantastic.

a (rslvd), Monday, 13 November 2006 10:04 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah i'm dying to hear that.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:21 (sixteen years ago) link

six months pass...

been listening to a LOT of Hallucinator recently. chain reaction is such a treasure trove.

the table is the table, Saturday, 2 June 2007 00:39 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...

anyone have any particular hallucinator recommendations?

also, anyone know of good online vendors who sell a lot of this stuff? (records/cds, not mp3s)

Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Forced Exposure's pretty good on BC/CR stuff. The stuff that's in print anyway.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 20:52 (fifteen years ago) link

"Magenta" still floors me every time I hear it. And def search Rhythm & Sound's "Trace/Imprint" 12" as well

President Evil, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 03:54 (fifteen years ago) link

and jesus, get all the quadrant stuff. fuckin sick.

the table is the table, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 03:56 (fifteen years ago) link

mark you'd be wanting this: http://hardwax.com/basic-channel/

haitch, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 04:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Ah get all of it! It all sounds the same anyway! But if you see the above, etc.

President Evil, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 04:06 (fifteen years ago) link

these guys just had a showcase on this stuff

http://hypnotic-breaks.blogspot.com/

Jena, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 04:11 (fifteen years ago) link

s: basic channel t-shirt

haitch, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 04:23 (fifteen years ago) link

QUADRANT

I know, right?, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 10:19 (fifteen years ago) link

s: basic channel t-shirt

-- haitch, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 05:23

if i saw someone in a basic channel t shirt, i'd give them a little nod and then maybe they'd nod back or grin like "'sup".

max r, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 10:27 (fifteen years ago) link

is that site giving away entire EPs (indeed, practically entire catalogues)? if so, that's pretty fucked.

pshrbrn, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 12:45 (fifteen years ago) link

they're sort of working off the same idea as Discogs Report, but with even more downloads of more stuff.

which is pretty fucked.

also pretty fucked: i was going to do a little thing on the basic channel family on my blog. now i have to stick to chain reaction stuff.

the table is the table, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm all in favour of music blogs posting up some digitized old vinyl that's been out of print for 10 years or whatever but this is all still available to buy, isn't it?

and given that the only way to download all that is to give rapidshare some money this is like, illegal x100000 - also i hate rapidshare, have i mentioned that?

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 15:07 (fifteen years ago) link

@_@

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 16:34 (fifteen years ago) link

i be like damn

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 16:34 (fifteen years ago) link

new model 500! cool!

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 16:59 (fifteen years ago) link

that deepchord album (coldest season) is probably the best electronic lp from this year

tricky, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, but the echospace stuff like vahid linked above pisses me off with it's extremely limited availability. I haven't been able to get any of them yet and I've wanted them all. Still haven't even heard a rip of the CV313 and I need to!

matt2, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Well I guess I should've looked at the blog Jena linked above. They're all there. But I still want the vinyl! And I agree with the others, giving away readily available releases in their entirety just pisses me off.

matt2, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link

next time you feel stupid for wasting time arguing on ILX, consider that some people address their need for attention by stealing music and posting it on the internet

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link

wow i just clicked over to that blog! a mint original pressing of the quadrant ep on r&s is going for 50 euros on discogs..

i have slowly been collecting all of the basic channel releases from hardwax (on fat colored vinyl even)

tricky, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:36 (fifteen years ago) link

hong kong by monolake is going for 100 euros in the metal tin

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:39 (fifteen years ago) link

someone paid $30 for *JUST THE CD* on ebay last month

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:40 (fifteen years ago) link

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

am0n, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link

I feel bad for posting that link now :/ I've got about 15-20 of blogs like this in my bookmarks, and I'm not even really looking.

Jena, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link

the dude who sold "just the CD" = first case of the metal tin breaking the metal tin

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Yes, I enjoy a good "dub techno" track every now and then.

mh, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 19:55 (three years ago) link

I consider Yagya to be dub techno’s version of, like, Tycho or someone, but I listened to the Rhythm of Snow the other day and its soothing qualities appealed to me.

beard papa, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 04:07 (three years ago) link

"rigning" is pretty nice

clouds, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link

eleven months pass...

I listened to the Round One to Round Five/Main Street Records comp today and this track was a huge standout, like super dubby minimal techno with muted little wisps of funk and house, I wish more of their stuff sounded exactly like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBHtjJtVcMA

Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 11 February 2021 21:41 (two years ago) link

:)

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 11 February 2021 21:57 (two years ago) link

Those four Round Four / Round Five tracks are colossal. And yeah, Find a Way the most among them.

Xgau Murder Spa (nikola), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:15 (two years ago) link

I spent 3 hours last night listening to the entire Rhythm & Sound label output (excluding the Burial Mix stuff) and it's... fine? A lot of it is just soooooo slow, like 60bpm, it feels v v loose and sparse and I am not quite getting this whole "omg so influential, set the blueprint for a whole generation of techno" type stuff.

I also wish more stuff sounded like "Find a Way", it seems like a bit of an outlier in the BC universe and they don't seem to have made a whole lot that sounds like it

Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 12 February 2021 14:58 (two years ago) link

"omg so influential, set the blueprint for a whole generation of techno"

that more applies to Basic Channel, no?

Don't get me wrong, Rhythm & Sound / Burial Mix was influential for sure but it was the BC stuff that set a blueprint that is still getting rinsed to this day.

The Burial Mix releases absolutely RULE so if you haven't explored those (it was hard to tell from your posts) you are in for a massive treat.

stirmonster, Friday, 12 February 2021 17:37 (two years ago) link

its so lame to talk about "proper bass" but R&S with the proper bass feels dense and almost unbearably heavy

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 12 February 2021 17:51 (two years ago) link

Do you know this one, Stevie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJVdrU5R1Qk

Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Friday, 12 February 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link

I think it’s too easy to take Maurizio and Basic Channel et al for granted given all the imitators that followed. The intersection of dub and techno is, for me, one of the great innovations in modern music. Rhythm & Sound’s music somehow doesn’t sound exactly like techno, and doesn’t sound exactly like dub, but the combination of the two captures most of the things I love about those styles. I guess what I mean is that as cool as the concept is on paper, the application of the idea has always, for me, exceeded those expectations, which is an amazing thing that never happens.

And yeah that Faith 12" jed posted has been on my wantlist for a while. Guess there are no plans to reissue any of that stuff

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 14 February 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link

idiotic opinion alert: to me it feels like an inordinate amount of BC imitators never got past "radiance" and were hellbent on making endless watered down false vibes. idk. yr typical token "b2 heres my dubby techno track" is the equiv of yr typical token downtempo/trip-hop track from 20-25 years back.

brimstead, Sunday, 14 February 2021 18:03 (two years ago) link

I’m not sure if this is what you were getting at exactly, but your post got me thinking about the dub techno continuum as compared to trip hop and I started wondering things like: Did trip hop ever even have its own Basic Channel or was it too easy to digest from the get-go? I guess my knee-jerk answer would be early Ninja Tune and Shadow records acts like DJ Food and Hedfunk: Less accessible acts who had a singular vision and whose work was hard enough to find that they gained a kind of cult like status.

beard papa, Saturday, 20 February 2021 02:36 (two years ago) link

the thing is, i don't like massive attack at all... but either them or portishead would be a good answer! anybody remember supreme beings of leisure? ick!

brimstead, Saturday, 20 February 2021 04:18 (two years ago) link

i believe i am conflating trip-hop with "blunted beats" or what have you... yeah i think dj food's super austere jazz brakes stuff is a good answer.

brimstead, Saturday, 20 February 2021 04:25 (two years ago) link

my ex was v v into trip hop in the 90s and I recently spent a bit of time acquainting myself with a bunch of the acts that were big at the time but have not had much lasting power (Sneaker Pimps, Lamb, Hooverphonic, Morcheeba, etc) and a lot of it felt incredibly derivative/formulaic/uninspired, like v v buzz-chasing, I don't think I realized the extent to which it was a total fad

Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:41 (two years ago) link

I don't think Lamb belongs in that group :(

Morcheeba though were clearly worthless at the time

lukas, Saturday, 20 February 2021 19:42 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

My buddy and i found a whole cache of chain reaction 12s last week and i have been fully immersed. Hadnt ever really gotten much more than a cursory listen to this stuff before and now im lovin it

Favorites so far are hallucinator's kilimanjaro, porter ricks's nautical dub, and vladislav's ranta

pete smith has gone on the internet (69), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:05 (one month ago) link

wow, where was this?

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:07 (one month ago) link

gah 69, are you in the east bay SF area perchance? One of my local stores got in a huge buy of dope black country techno and FACT deep house stuff and yeah lots of BC and CR

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:15 (one month ago) link

lol don’t know how ‘gah’ got there

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:16 (one month ago) link

yep im in oakland -- the prices are *deece* if not screamers, but man it is so sick to get so much stuff in one shot, and without paying $30 apiece shipping from germany

pete smith has gone on the internet (69), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 20:32 (one month ago) link

i got a couple UR, metroplex, and peacefrog things too...

this music has always been near me but not my main focus, and now im diving in and its wild how deep the waters are. reminds me of my jazz knowledge 15yr ago when i was just stacking mid-70s muse and mainstream records with mtume on them :)

pete smith has gone on the internet (69), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 20:36 (one month ago) link

PETE

obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 21:02 (one month ago) link

Ranta is incredible ofc, all time

the one I heard first was Huone, just as good

obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 21:03 (one month ago) link

I remember there was some long gone DJ/techno store here in town w/a listening station and one day in 1999 I went through a ton of stuff and found it, immediately hooked

obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 21:05 (one month ago) link

also see the 1st three Pole releases for adjacent awesomeness

obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 21:05 (one month ago) link

sick

WHATS UP SLEEVE

pete smith has gone on the internet (69), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 22:54 (one month ago) link

I've heard some of these early BC 12"s have been reissued but can't seem to find any info outside of Hardwax. Hoping there is a US distro for these. Was assuming Bleep but not seeing anything

https://www.discoesencia.com/a-guide-to-basic-channel-records/

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 25 February 2023 13:56 (one month ago) link

Boomkat had them but have sold out already

I am using your worlds, Saturday, 25 February 2023 16:27 (one month ago) link

I adore my Maurizio cd.

nerve_pylon, Saturday, 25 February 2023 17:03 (one month ago) link

Boomkat had them but have sold out already

― I am using your worlds, Saturday, February 25, 2023 11:27 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Ah, ok, thanks. Oh well. I'll never understand the motivation behind reissuing something only to have it go immediately out of print

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 25 February 2023 18:09 (one month ago) link

i'm pretty sure they will repress them again shortly. it is often hard to know what the actual demand is and always better to under-press. Phonica and Rub A Dub still have copies.

stirmonster, Saturday, 25 February 2023 18:29 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

got some more from the same haul yesterday!!!

six more chain reactions (holy shit huone), six maurizios from the 2000s remasters, a basic channel and another peacefrog just for fun. the chain reactions are just exactly my vibe right now, and im enjoying the maurizios right now too. i spent all day tooling around looking for records and came up almost completely empty, but then decided to get a slice of pizza and stopped by econo jam again to see if they had refreshed the techno boxes AND THEY HAD. fallow digging morning redeemed.

pete smith has gone on the internet (69), Monday, 13 March 2023 17:36 (two weeks ago) link

hahaha also just seeing my friend karina's tweet upthread

pete smith has gone on the internet (69), Monday, 13 March 2023 17:37 (two weeks ago) link

did she ever find out more about that whole deal?

mh, Monday, 13 March 2023 18:44 (two weeks ago) link

lol lemme ask

pete smith has gone on the internet (69), Monday, 13 March 2023 19:00 (two weeks ago) link

@josiahhughes is this your screenplay

— Ash Carter (@ashcarter) November 19, 2018

pete smith has gone on the internet (69), Monday, 13 March 2023 19:07 (two weeks ago) link

LMAO YES

— jos (@josiahhughes) November 19, 2018

pete smith has gone on the internet (69), Monday, 13 March 2023 19:07 (two weeks ago) link

It was made into a movie!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8FCkYHPdX4

J. Sam, Monday, 13 March 2023 19:19 (two weeks ago) link

i think that tweet was a joke

pete smith has gone on the internet (69), Monday, 13 March 2023 20:29 (two weeks ago) link

tweet's a joke. the short film is uh, something

mh, Monday, 13 March 2023 20:32 (two weeks ago) link

essential mix here imho
https://soundcloud.com/funky_jeff/chain-reactions

anza808, Tuesday, 14 March 2023 13:26 (two weeks ago) link

Either that link is broken or Soundcloud is down. Would be interested to hear a good mix of Chain Reaction releases, which I don't know nearly as well as the Basic Channel material

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 14 March 2023 14:03 (two weeks ago) link

works for me

I'll have to check that one out. The mix by Scion (Vainqueur/Substance) that was released on cd as Arrange and Process is pretty good but always seemed a little sterile? I'm not sure if it was the choice to make it 100% Basic Channel material did that

mh, Tuesday, 14 March 2023 14:15 (two weeks ago) link

working for me now, too. Helical Scan!

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 14 March 2023 15:17 (two weeks ago) link

by far one of my favorites in the Chain Reaction catalog:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxaY8EjX74A

anza808, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 03:46 (two weeks ago) link

YSI plz? CD is long out of print and I guess there was a digital reissue 15 years ago, but not on Bandcamp...

obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 03:57 (two weeks ago) link

*Decay Product* is magnificent, end-to-end.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 08:22 (two weeks ago) link

Paul St Hilaire / Tikiman is getting a Vol. 1 overview next week. Wire just put out a nice overview of their own: https://www.thewire.co.uk/audio/tracks/wire-playlist-paul-st-hilaire

God, those Round Four and Five tracks

Xgau Murder Spa (nikola), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 21:04 (two weeks ago) link


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