basic channel/maurizio/chain reaction, s&d

"1.2" by resilient
"no. 8" by various artists
"m6" by maurizio
"lantau/macao" by monolake
any of the early porter ricks 12"s, but especially the "redundance" double pack
the basic channel collection cd
and the scion "arrange and process basic channel" cd

The second self-titled Rhythm & Sound cd (esp. 'Trace' and 'Roll Off')

The Maurizio cd is also excellent (M7 is my favorite track). Must get the Ploy 12" one of these days, seems it has been rereleased along with all BC 12"s.

and those CR albums Aaron mentions + 'Relish' by Substance and 'Elevation' by Vainqueur.

Maurizio:
All are considered classics by many - personal fav's are M3, M5, M6, M7

Chain Reaction:
Havent heard all but most are nice, a continuation of BC with increasingly refined production and newer talent added to the roster.. Personal favorite releases from the ones I know: Substance - "Relish", Pelon - "No Stunts", Porter Ricks - "Port of Nuba", Vladislav Delay - "Huone", Fluxion - "Largo" 2x12".

phylyps seconded, plus king of the empire and faith by r&s.

still

lots of the web reviews say things like "of course you can't FULLY experience the deepness of the M tracks unless you hear them in their full 19 minute unedited versions". i've been considering tracking down the nonedits and making a 6cd comp of all the M/BC stuff but i'm not sure it's entirely worth it.

there's "I'm Your Brother", which finds Rhythm&Sound succumbing to their most deeply closeted gay house tendencies. then a Ron Trent remix that's incredible woozy bliss in a non-dubhouse style, followed by an amazing basic channel dub of the same track that sends it into deep outerspace.

there's Tikiman's "Find A Way", which is 9 minutes of astounding roots vocals over what sounds like the warmest, trad-housiest maurizio track ever. there's the "Na Fe Throw It" version, which is this totally nocturnal crawlspace between faint static and fat bass tones.

i can't believe biba kopf called this "uninspired mainstream house" or some nonsense like that.

I was actually thinking of doing the same thing but after awhile I lost interest. I'm filling the gaps of the Basic Channel cd by buying the BC-1, BC-7 and maybe BC-9 reissues.

But now it seems I have to go and seek that Main Street cd.

...and find it I did. Thanks vahid, for...well...making such a good case for this cd, because it is pretty amazing, not at all what you would expect.

been listening to a LOT of Hallucinator recently. chain reaction is such a treasure trove.

anyone have any particular hallucinator recommendations?

also, anyone know of good online vendors who sell a lot of this stuff? (records/cds, not mp3s)

Forced Exposure's pretty good on BC/CR stuff. The stuff that's in print anyway.

"Magenta" still floors me every time I hear it. And def search Rhythm & Sound's "Trace/Imprint" 12" as well

and jesus, get all the quadrant stuff. fuckin sick.

mark you'd be wanting this: http://hardwax.com/basic-channel/

Ah get all of it! It all sounds the same anyway! But if you see the above, etc.

these guys just had a showcase on this stuff

http://hypnotic-breaks.blogspot.com/

s: basic channel t-shirt

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s: basic channel t-shirt

-- haitch, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 05:23

if i saw someone in a basic channel t shirt, i'd give them a little nod and then maybe they'd nod back or grin like "'sup".

is that site giving away entire EPs (indeed, practically entire catalogues)? if so, that's pretty fucked.

they're sort of working off the same idea as Discogs Report, but with even more downloads of more stuff.

which is pretty fucked.

also pretty fucked: i was going to do a little thing on the basic channel family on my blog. now i have to stick to chain reaction stuff.

i'm all in favour of music blogs posting up some digitized old vinyl that's been out of print for 10 years or whatever but this is all still available to buy, isn't it?

and given that the only way to download all that is to give rapidshare some money this is like, illegal x100000 - also i hate rapidshare, have i mentioned that?

@_@

i be like damn

new model 500! cool!

that deepchord album (coldest season) is probably the best electronic lp from this year

Yeah, but the echospace stuff like vahid linked above pisses me off with it's extremely limited availability. I haven't been able to get any of them yet and I've wanted them all. Still haven't even heard a rip of the CV313 and I need to!

Well I guess I should've looked at the blog Jena linked above. They're all there. But I still want the vinyl! And I agree with the others, giving away readily available releases in their entirety just pisses me off.

next time you feel stupid for wasting time arguing on ILX, consider that some people address their need for attention by stealing music and posting it on the internet

wow i just clicked over to that blog! a mint original pressing of the quadrant ep on r&s is going for 50 euros on discogs..

i have slowly been collecting all of the basic channel releases from hardwax (on fat colored vinyl even)

hong kong by monolake is going for 100 euros in the metal tin

someone paid $30 for *JUST THE CD* on ebay last month

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

I feel bad for posting that link now :/ I've got about 15-20 of blogs like this in my bookmarks, and I'm not even really looking.

the dude who sold "just the CD" = first case of the metal tin breaking the metal tin

It was made into a movie!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8FCkYHPdX4

i think that tweet was a joke

tweet's a joke. the short film is uh, something

essential mix here imho
https://soundcloud.com/funky_jeff/chain-reactions

Either that link is broken or Soundcloud is down. Would be interested to hear a good mix of Chain Reaction releases, which I don't know nearly as well as the Basic Channel material

works for me

I'll have to check that one out. The mix by Scion (Vainqueur/Substance) that was released on cd as Arrange and Process is pretty good but always seemed a little sterile? I'm not sure if it was the choice to make it 100% Basic Channel material did that

working for me now, too. Helical Scan!

by far one of my favorites in the Chain Reaction catalog:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxaY8EjX74A

YSI plz? CD is long out of print and I guess there was a digital reissue 15 years ago, but not on Bandcamp...

*Decay Product* is magnificent, end-to-end.

Paul St Hilaire / Tikiman is getting a Vol. 1 overview next week. Wire just put out a nice overview of their own: https://www.thewire.co.uk/audio/tracks/wire-playlist-paul-st-hilaire

God, those Round Four and Five tracks

I'm finally going deep into Basic Channel land.

So far the classic BC stuff is mind-blowing, and I've listened to most of the Moritz von Oswald Trio records. Each one wears out their welcome after a bit, but I love the concept and I'm kinda jealous of getting to make records like this that are essentially live.

The Tony Allen one is mostly great (because of Tony Allen), and I haven't circled back to the most recent one with Laurel Halo, which I listened to a bunch when it came out and love.

I also rinsed the records Mark Ernestus did with Ndagga Rhythm Force a few years back. I guess next I need to delve into the Rhythm & Sound and Maurizio stuff?

yes

i burned out on the Maurizio 12s (i might be about ready to dive back in again) but Rhythm & Sound stuff is eternal.

Rhythm & Sound stuff is just some of the best music ever made, really.

Paul St. Hilaire new album ("Tikiman vol. 1") is great.

I'm sorry to report that I just can't hang with the Rhythm & Sound material. For me it tilts too far into the dub references, except without any of variation and amazing playing that comes from dubbing out a live band. The bass pressure is impressive and the vocals are great but it really just makes me want to put on a Scientist record.

The BC stuff is still a revelation though. And I enjoyed going through this: https://ra.co/features/3365

you listened to this comp too, right? It’s a lot murkier and odder than the other R&S stuff

https://www.discogs.com/master/506510-Rhythm-Sound-Rhythm-Sound

isn’t that “the other rhythm and sound stuff” mixed together?

omg irritating ilx0r “pipecock” commented on that discogs page.

that's the comp i've listened to over and over again, it's unmixed.

the "see mi yah" remixes are really good

isn’t that “the other rhythm and sound stuff” mixed together?

well “not like it at all” is too strong, but it’s a different vibe 😎

omg irritating ilx0r “pipecock” commented on that discogs page.

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haha yeah and he's just as pompous and annoying there as he was on ILM

that is his brand

my favorite r&s is the mango drive remix, really versatile piece of dub techhno not quite like anything else and quite good for “switching the vibe”

i also like the tikiman showcase cd a lot, but overall tend to agree with jordan that the r&s stuff is a bit too montonous.

not sure the later stuff makes me want to put on a scientist record - imo it’s closer to something like early demdike stare, i really think of it as a sort of dark ambient pretending to be / built on top of dub techno

“later” was the wrong term, i mean the r&s stuff after mango drive and showcase (mid period?)

the later stuff i guess is really the second set of burial mix releases (see mi yah, king in my empire etc) which i think are really great in their own way, which is not so much a dub techno way but more of an effort to make a good background for the vocalists that is also compatible with electronic music but is not some sort of laswellian frankenstein

laswellian frankenstein

haha love this

I love Roll Off / B so much. vast broken sheared off flotsam, the size of planets, meeting, rebounding, complaining, reconciling, breaking apart, recombining

dark ambient on top o dub techno is otm for that stuff. it's pure mood music set to all dark colors.

Listened to a bunch of R&S today including that comp and I do like the instrumental stuff more, even though the vocalists are great in their own right.

I still think that the more it leans into dub reggae tropes (skanking organ chords, basslines, cross-sticks) the weaker it gets. But the Demdike Stare and dark ambient references make sense to me, I love all the weird surface noise loops. Also still think it's more effective when they apply dub techniques to different vocabularies, although I bet the R&S records sound crazy on a soundsystem.

browsing through this thread and the ra piece and thinking i’d never listened to any of this congeries of dub and techno i realised (listening to it now) that i actually *bought* the rhythm and sound tikiman showcase comp when it came out. it never really blew me away at the time but it’s v nice to revisit.

idk, the vocal r&s stuff on decent speakers at a decent volume achieves a level of absolutely monumental dread that i find undeniable, it really casts a spell that is sustained by the repetition and minimalism, dub tropes don't detract from that for me because it is dub music. the see mi yah remixes are good, but they're something totally different

yeah i was going to say … imo a close listen of the see mi yah remixes tells you more about the remixers than it does about r&s

and i agree with karl. the burial mix stuff is not just influenced by reggae, it IS reggae

of course the remixes tell you more about the remixers than r&s! they take the minimalism and turn it into dance music. soundstream one is so enjoyably bouncy.

i don't hear dread in either "king in my empire" or "queen in my empire", i hear spiritual triumph and jubilation. not sure which of the other vocal tracks might feel more dread-y. but reading back what you said, i get you on the volume and the singular presence of the sound, it's very powerful.

It's a me thing, once you really get into dub territory I miss all the beautiful & detailed drumming (and bass playing) that's as much a part of the appeal for me as the dub mixing. But I know this has its own thing, it's cool.

i feel you on liking 'actual' dub more than these records tbr

the dread is in the suffocatingly thick prescence of the sound, the power comes from how methodically it rolls out and sets a scene that stays still as it moves. in 'king in my empire' the lyrics describe the whole world in jah's hand but the vocals don't rejoice, they leer and promise a comeuppance, 'i'm like a burning fire, leave me you old vampire'

damn, nice read. there is definitely comeuppance in it. i love that track to pieces. campbell is so amazing on it.

i feel like the vocal versions of the see mi yah riddim are generally more "dread" than the king in my empire version

i forget exactly which it is but one of the remixes is really sparse and scary. maybe the sleeparchive "dem never know" mix?

the one about the lover cheating with the best friend, i can't remember the title, that one i remember feeling spooky, a little like a ghost story.

the carl craig "poor people must work" is pretty haunting imo.

that carl craig remix is stunning and eerie, also love the sleeparchive. despite both being dated by some clicky 00's percussion, that might just be my hangup though

yeah pretty much all of those remixes sound a little dated tbf

back in style in five years, when mnml revival happens

i'm fine with that just please no clicks this time

how about some roland hand claps?

eternal

Definitely get that sense of dread from Rod of Iron’s vocals on Lightning Storm

I think Pole is the closest comparison to sound the Basic Channel guys achieved with R&S, but even more faded, degraded and glitchy.

the dubplates & mastering-centered group of the time