basic channel/maurizio/chain reaction, s&d

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OCP (OCP), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 02:49 (seventeen years ago) link

oh shit!
as far as i can tell, all the maurizio 12"s are great. there is also a cd compiling some of them. i havent heard all of the BC singles, but I like the Subtance 12" a lot. as for CR, i dont have any 12"s (yet!!!) but I like "Hong Kong" by Monolake, "Decay Product" by Various Artists, and the Porter Ricks album. Also, check "Showcase" by Rhythm and Sound on Burial Mix (I think).

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 02:59 (seventeen years ago) link

search:

"1.2" by resilient
"no. 8" by various artists
"m6" by maurizio
"lantau/macao" by monolake
any of the early porter ricks 12"s, but especially the "redundance" double pack
the basic channel collection cd
and the scion "arrange and process basic channel" cd

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 03:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Obviously search for both Basic Channel cds.
plus: Phylyps Trak II and The Basic Reshape of 'The Climax'

The second self-titled Rhythm & Sound cd (esp. 'Trace' and 'Roll Off')

The Maurizio cd is also excellent (M7 is my favorite track). Must get the Ploy 12" one of these days, seems it has been rereleased along with all BC 12"s.

and those CR albums Aaron mentions + 'Relish' by Substance and 'Elevation' by Vainqueur.

Omar (Omar), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

BC:
Check almost any, but they range from more ambient washed out numbers to harder techno w/ trademark washed out synth stuff... Phylyps Track II is a staple for dj's of many genres (even detroit booty djs play it on 45)

Maurizio:
All are considered classics by many - personal fav's are M3, M5, M6, M7

Chain Reaction:
Havent heard all but most are nice, a continuation of BC with increasingly refined production and newer talent added to the roster.. Personal favorite releases from the ones I know: Substance - "Relish", Pelon - "No Stunts", Porter Ricks - "Port of Nuba", Vladislav Delay - "Huone", Fluxion - "Largo" 2x12".

pete from the street, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

i had no idea basic channel had remixed the climax - what do they do to it?

phylyps seconded, plus king of the empire and faith by r&s.

nebbesh (nebbesh), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

thirdered

nebbesh (nebbesh), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

bc's climax is pretty washed out ambient dub-tech, the beat is way down in the mix. most traces of carl craig are gone- but beautiful in its own right.. worth checking, appears on some of the planet e re-issues of the single.

pete from the street, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

vainquer - lyot (maurizio mix)

still

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Search -the Vainquer Metal box, Rythm and Sound w/ Tikiman and w/the artists. I dont like the Porter Ricks metal box but i tried.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

scary to think that some of these tracks are 10 years old now.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

ah yes Various Artists i completlely forgot about that CD and it could be the best of the lot.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

what i have been wondering ... since i got the big wireless laptop / broadband combo in the stocking this year ... is it worth d/l all the basic channel / maurizio tracks that i have on comps?

lots of the web reviews say things like "of course you can't FULLY experience the deepness of the M tracks unless you hear them in their full 19 minute unedited versions". i've been considering tracking down the nonedits and making a 6cd comp of all the M/BC stuff but i'm not sure it's entirely worth it.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

furthermore, don't believe the hype on dissing the "main street" tracks. if you ever find this comp you MUST buy it.

there's "I'm Your Brother", which finds Rhythm&Sound succumbing to their most deeply closeted gay house tendencies. then a Ron Trent remix that's incredible woozy bliss in a non-dubhouse style, followed by an amazing basic channel dub of the same track that sends it into deep outerspace.

there's Tikiman's "Find A Way", which is 9 minutes of astounding roots vocals over what sounds like the warmest, trad-housiest maurizio track ever. there's the "Na Fe Throw It" version, which is this totally nocturnal crawlspace between faint static and fat bass tones.

i can't believe biba kopf called this "uninspired mainstream house" or some nonsense like that.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

These folk always fear Mainstream House, as if all of House musics myriad variations had sprung up fully formed bypassing traditional house completely. Its one of the things that pissed me off about The Wire.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

i've been considering tracking down the nonedits and making a 6cd comp of all the M/BC stuff

I was actually thinking of doing the same thing but after awhile I lost interest. I'm filling the gaps of the Basic Channel cd by buying the BC-1, BC-7 and maybe BC-9 reissues.

But now it seems I have to go and seek that Main Street cd.

Omar (Omar), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Search:
Infiniti - Think Quick (Remodelled By Moritz Von Oswald)[metroplex 12"]
Domina - Maurizio mix [m 12"]
Basic Channel - Octaedre/Octagon [basic channel 12"]
Substance - Plate Element 3 from Substance Session Elements Metal Box [chain reaction CD]
Quadrant - Infinition [basic channel 12"]
Round One feat Andy Caine - I'm Your Brother (Quadrant Dub) [main st 12"]
Round Two - New Day (Club Vocal Mix) [main st 12"]
Rhythm & Sound with Tikiman - Music a Fe Rule Part1 & Part 2 [rhythm & sound 12"]
Rhythm & Sound with Tikiman - What a Mistry/Dub [burial mix 12"]
Rhythm & Sound - Mango Drive from rhythm & sound - mango walk [burial mix 12"]
Cyrus - Enforcement (Recall) [basic channel 12"]
Monolake - Gobi the Desert EP [Monolake / Imbalance Computer Music CD]

bakhtin, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 08:03 (seventeen years ago) link

if you ever find this comp you MUST buy it.

...and find it I did. Thanks vahid, for...well...making such a good case for this cd, because it is pretty amazing, not at all what you would expect.

Omar (Omar), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...
so how great is eleye??

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 12 November 2006 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Search Monolake "Magenta I/II"!

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 13 November 2006 07:33 (fourteen years ago) link

search: round two 'new day'

H2-H4 (H2-H4), Monday, 13 November 2006 10:04 (fourteen years ago) link

new substance + vainqueur 12" is fantastic.

a (rslvd), Monday, 13 November 2006 10:04 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i'm dying to hear that.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...

been listening to a LOT of Hallucinator recently. chain reaction is such a treasure trove.

the table is the table, Saturday, 2 June 2007 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...

anyone have any particular hallucinator recommendations?

also, anyone know of good online vendors who sell a lot of this stuff? (records/cds, not mp3s)

Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Forced Exposure's pretty good on BC/CR stuff. The stuff that's in print anyway.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

"Magenta" still floors me every time I hear it. And def search Rhythm & Sound's "Trace/Imprint" 12" as well

President Evil, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 03:54 (thirteen years ago) link

and jesus, get all the quadrant stuff. fuckin sick.

the table is the table, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 03:56 (thirteen years ago) link

mark you'd be wanting this: http://hardwax.com/basic-channel/

haitch, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 04:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Ah get all of it! It all sounds the same anyway! But if you see the above, etc.

President Evil, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link

these guys just had a showcase on this stuff

http://hypnotic-breaks.blogspot.com/

Jena, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link

s: basic channel t-shirt

haitch, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 04:23 (thirteen years ago) link

QUADRANT

I know, right?, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 10:19 (thirteen years ago) link

s: basic channel t-shirt

-- haitch, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 05:23

if i saw someone in a basic channel t shirt, i'd give them a little nod and then maybe they'd nod back or grin like "'sup".

max r, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 10:27 (thirteen years ago) link

is that site giving away entire EPs (indeed, practically entire catalogues)? if so, that's pretty fucked.

pshrbrn, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 12:45 (thirteen years ago) link

they're sort of working off the same idea as Discogs Report, but with even more downloads of more stuff.

which is pretty fucked.

also pretty fucked: i was going to do a little thing on the basic channel family on my blog. now i have to stick to chain reaction stuff.

the table is the table, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm all in favour of music blogs posting up some digitized old vinyl that's been out of print for 10 years or whatever but this is all still available to buy, isn't it?

and given that the only way to download all that is to give rapidshare some money this is like, illegal x100000 - also i hate rapidshare, have i mentioned that?

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link

@_@

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link

i be like damn

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link

new model 500! cool!

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link

that deepchord album (coldest season) is probably the best electronic lp from this year

tricky, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, but the echospace stuff like vahid linked above pisses me off with it's extremely limited availability. I haven't been able to get any of them yet and I've wanted them all. Still haven't even heard a rip of the CV313 and I need to!

matt2, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Well I guess I should've looked at the blog Jena linked above. They're all there. But I still want the vinyl! And I agree with the others, giving away readily available releases in their entirety just pisses me off.

matt2, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link

next time you feel stupid for wasting time arguing on ILX, consider that some people address their need for attention by stealing music and posting it on the internet

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link

wow i just clicked over to that blog! a mint original pressing of the quadrant ep on r&s is going for 50 euros on discogs..

i have slowly been collecting all of the basic channel releases from hardwax (on fat colored vinyl even)

tricky, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link

hong kong by monolake is going for 100 euros in the metal tin

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link

someone paid $30 for *JUST THE CD* on ebay last month

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

am0n, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link

I feel bad for posting that link now :/ I've got about 15-20 of blogs like this in my bookmarks, and I'm not even really looking.

Jena, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link

the dude who sold "just the CD" = first case of the metal tin breaking the metal tin

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link

I had a double point of confusion: it is Biokinetics that is reissued. Which is good.

mh, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:49 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuyrzxJQd9c

love's secret borad (clouds), Friday, 26 April 2013 15:40 (seven years ago) link

is there a legit place to PURCHASE the full length tunes from BC and M-series in a lossless file format? Hardwax doesnt f/w selling digital files, afaict (wouldn't necessarily expect them too anyway, to some extent.
the files i see elsewhere at boomkat and such,.. I am concerned they are all from needledrops or something equally dubious.

(((not super interested in getting into strawman debates with real techno headz about *format* but i'd give it a go)))

brimstead, Monday, 6 May 2013 20:51 (seven years ago) link

hardwax DOES sell digital

http://hardwax.com/basic-channel/?paginate_by=50

click "show downloads"

mh, Monday, 6 May 2013 21:02 (seven years ago) link

oh shi

the display names will fall like rain (Matt P), Monday, 6 May 2013 21:07 (seven years ago) link

Oh wow thank u, mh!!

brimstead, Monday, 6 May 2013 21:23 (seven years ago) link

no download of lyot, wonder why ... does tresor have rights to that one?

the late great, Monday, 6 May 2013 21:40 (seven years ago) link

remembered I have the "arrange and process" mix on my phone. it is still the best thing.

mh, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:08 (seven years ago) link

otm, that comp is what made me realize that this stuff is best heard mixed

clouds, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 21:24 (seven years ago) link

that comp never really clicked with me, had the same issues with it that i did w/ hawtin's decks fx 909 mixes ... not bad per se, but a bit bland compared to the originals

the late great, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 21:27 (seven years ago) link

the originals are just such monoliths, the seamless ableton mixing kind of digests them down into much mushier fare

the late great, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 21:27 (seven years ago) link

yeah but it plays like three of them at once and it's like a swirling intenseness

mh, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 21:42 (seven years ago) link

i enjoy the mix and the monoliths. the individual tracks are what got me into basic channel, though

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:29 (seven years ago) link

monoliths?

mh, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 23:22 (seven years ago) link

just using tlg's lingo

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 9 May 2013 00:29 (seven years ago) link

sometimes i just gotta soak my brain in this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DjRiI1jQGA

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 10 May 2013 23:43 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...
three months pass...

There's a new BC 12", with some old, unreleased (and pretty amazing) tracks on it

http://basicchannel.com/item/BC-CD

Q-Loop (Full length) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-B96EvUB9Q

neilasimpson, Friday, 26 September 2014 11:16 (six years ago) link

two years pass...
one month passes...

new porter ricks is good

clouds, Thursday, 1 December 2016 14:46 (four years ago) link

Fluxion's "Vibrant Forms III" sounds exactly like I and II, listening to it is like being stuck in a time warp where the clock never strikes Jan 1, 2001.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 2 December 2016 07:39 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

no metal box no credibility.

― jed_, Saturday, May 24, 2008 10:13 AM (eight years ago)

https://hardwax.com/24397/various-artists/compiled/

the late great, Sunday, 12 March 2017 03:45 (three years ago) link

lol. i remember seeing those in shops and snootily dismissing them. who on earth would buy a COMPACT DISC of such music

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 12 March 2017 10:37 (three years ago) link

My Maurizio metal box rusted and warped, cracking the cd center :( Luckily I managed to digitize the thing.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 12 March 2017 17:09 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

my dudes

https://hardwax.com/00090/vainqueur/reductions-1995-1997/

the late great, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 18:42 (two years ago) link

seven months pass...

considering challenging conventional wisdom and doing a poll of the chain reaction compact disc releases

mh, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:09 (two years ago) link

why not?

the late great, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:56 (two years ago) link

do it up

marcos, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:38 (two years ago) link

chain reaction, a sublabel of basic channel: best compact disc release

tada

mh, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:05 (two years ago) link

Someone left a copy of their screenplay at the record store????????? pic.twitter.com/xHFz9IUWYF

— karina unleashed (@karinasoni) November 18, 2018

Would definitely watch this film

paolo, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:59 (two years ago) link

I screamed reading the entire thing. The main villian in the story is someone who goes by the online username “aphextriplet85”

— karina unleashed (@karinasoni) November 18, 2018

I couldn't resist

aphextriplet85 (mh), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:15 (two years ago) link

omgggg

macropuente (map), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:30 (two years ago) link

ha amazing

marcos, Friday, 7 December 2018 20:45 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Yes, I enjoy a good "dub techno" track every now and then.

mh, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 19:55 (eleven months ago) link

I consider Yagya to be dub techno’s version of, like, Tycho or someone, but I listened to the Rhythm of Snow the other day and its soothing qualities appealed to me.

beard papa, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 04:07 (eleven months ago) link

"rigning" is pretty nice

clouds, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:49 (eleven months ago) link

eleven months pass...

I listened to the Round One to Round Five/Main Street Records comp today and this track was a huge standout, like super dubby minimal techno with muted little wisps of funk and house, I wish more of their stuff sounded exactly like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBHtjJtVcMA

Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 11 February 2021 21:41 (three weeks ago) link

:)

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 11 February 2021 21:57 (three weeks ago) link

Those four Round Four / Round Five tracks are colossal. And yeah, Find a Way the most among them.

Xgau Murder Spa (nikola), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:15 (three weeks ago) link

I spent 3 hours last night listening to the entire Rhythm & Sound label output (excluding the Burial Mix stuff) and it's... fine? A lot of it is just soooooo slow, like 60bpm, it feels v v loose and sparse and I am not quite getting this whole "omg so influential, set the blueprint for a whole generation of techno" type stuff.

I also wish more stuff sounded like "Find a Way", it seems like a bit of an outlier in the BC universe and they don't seem to have made a whole lot that sounds like it

Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 12 February 2021 14:58 (two weeks ago) link

"omg so influential, set the blueprint for a whole generation of techno"

that more applies to Basic Channel, no?

Don't get me wrong, Rhythm & Sound / Burial Mix was influential for sure but it was the BC stuff that set a blueprint that is still getting rinsed to this day.

The Burial Mix releases absolutely RULE so if you haven't explored those (it was hard to tell from your posts) you are in for a massive treat.

stirmonster, Friday, 12 February 2021 17:37 (two weeks ago) link

its so lame to talk about "proper bass" but R&S with the proper bass feels dense and almost unbearably heavy

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 12 February 2021 17:51 (two weeks ago) link

Do you know this one, Stevie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJVdrU5R1Qk

Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Friday, 12 February 2021 18:05 (two weeks ago) link

I think it’s too easy to take Maurizio and Basic Channel et al for granted given all the imitators that followed. The intersection of dub and techno is, for me, one of the great innovations in modern music. Rhythm & Sound’s music somehow doesn’t sound exactly like techno, and doesn’t sound exactly like dub, but the combination of the two captures most of the things I love about those styles. I guess what I mean is that as cool as the concept is on paper, the application of the idea has always, for me, exceeded those expectations, which is an amazing thing that never happens.

And yeah that Faith 12" jed posted has been on my wantlist for a while. Guess there are no plans to reissue any of that stuff

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 14 February 2021 17:54 (two weeks ago) link

idiotic opinion alert: to me it feels like an inordinate amount of BC imitators never got past "radiance" and were hellbent on making endless watered down false vibes. idk. yr typical token "b2 heres my dubby techno track" is the equiv of yr typical token downtempo/trip-hop track from 20-25 years back.

brimstead, Sunday, 14 February 2021 18:03 (two weeks ago) link

I’m not sure if this is what you were getting at exactly, but your post got me thinking about the dub techno continuum as compared to trip hop and I started wondering things like: Did trip hop ever even have its own Basic Channel or was it too easy to digest from the get-go? I guess my knee-jerk answer would be early Ninja Tune and Shadow records acts like DJ Food and Hedfunk: Less accessible acts who had a singular vision and whose work was hard enough to find that they gained a kind of cult like status.

beard papa, Saturday, 20 February 2021 02:36 (one week ago) link

the thing is, i don't like massive attack at all... but either them or portishead would be a good answer! anybody remember supreme beings of leisure? ick!

brimstead, Saturday, 20 February 2021 04:18 (one week ago) link

i believe i am conflating trip-hop with "blunted beats" or what have you... yeah i think dj food's super austere jazz brakes stuff is a good answer.

brimstead, Saturday, 20 February 2021 04:25 (one week ago) link

my ex was v v into trip hop in the 90s and I recently spent a bit of time acquainting myself with a bunch of the acts that were big at the time but have not had much lasting power (Sneaker Pimps, Lamb, Hooverphonic, Morcheeba, etc) and a lot of it felt incredibly derivative/formulaic/uninspired, like v v buzz-chasing, I don't think I realized the extent to which it was a total fad

Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:41 (one week ago) link

I don't think Lamb belongs in that group :(

Morcheeba though were clearly worthless at the time

lukas, Saturday, 20 February 2021 19:42 (one week ago) link


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