Utah Saints - Classic Or Dud?

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I was sure for some reason they were disliked here but all the mentions I can find are positive. Most of them are admittedly by Alex in NYC. Anyway here is where we DECIDE.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:33 (eighteen years ago) link

u-u-utah saints!!

you know, hearing them on the radio might have been my first taste of "rave music".

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:35 (eighteen years ago) link

also "3am eternal" i guess.

"modern rock radio" in the us was a weird beast before alt-rock hegemony.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:35 (eighteen years ago) link

The three big singles they had here were totally classic - I have no idea if any of their other stuff is though IIRC their 'comeback' had NO pop vocal samples and was trying to be Proper.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I LURVE THEM TO BITS (shockah)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:38 (eighteen years ago) link

haha dan and i have disturbingly similar taste for everything from 1987-1993, i think.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

That bit in the beginning of "Something Good" (the U-U-U-U-Tah Saints! snippet) always sounded like Perry Farrell to me. That's not the reason I liked'em, though.

Kate Bush cried when Killing Joke broke up, don'tcha know!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

At this rate the nearest this thread is going to come to controversy is me saying "Believe In Me" > "Something Good".

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Didn't Kate Bush cry when "Night Court" was cancelled?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link

does "dodgy euro-rapping" (which i may be inventing, re. utah saints) belong in reynolds "beyond the pale of rehabilitation" category or will we someday see a revival?

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link

When we get the fucking domain name transferred and the FT MP3 blog starts you will have your dodgy euro-rap revival and then some!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

hurrah!

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think there was any on the big Utah Saints hits anyway.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i suppose "dodgy euro-rapping" = "grime" though

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone remember a band called Mysterious Art?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link

"dodgy euro-rapping" = GIVE ME NOMAD OR GIVE ME DEATH

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:46 (eighteen years ago) link

(just trying to generation some controversy here)

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Let us also praise the band's deft sampling of both Slayer and the Human League.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Wither the `Saints today?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:52 (eighteen years ago) link

ft mp3 blog?!?!?!?!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 January 2004 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Like anyone my age who isn't lying through their teeth, my first big exposures to 'rave music' were "The Hockey Song" (R U ready 4 this?) and "Something Good" like in fiddo's case. Basically you had to like it. Indie culture didn't really exist in Canada until the internet. How organic of it all.

Darrens8====D (DarrenK), Monday, 5 January 2004 04:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, CLASSIC

Darrens8====D (DarrenK), Monday, 5 January 2004 04:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic, for the first wave at least.

Minor threadjack: Utah Saints = British KMFDM? (Where "British" is pop>hardbeat, obv)

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 5 January 2004 11:44 (eighteen years ago) link

i think 'Love Song' samples the intro to Average White Band's 'Pick Up The Pieces', speeds it up and uses it throughout the track. the track itself would've been better if there'd been more lyrical development.

stevem (blueski), Monday, 5 January 2004 11:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I have not heard the "new" Utah Saints, but their first LP definitely kicks ass! It has a lot more in it than the three hit singles (and by the way, Tico Tico is right, "Believe in Me" is better than "Something Good"), ranging from electro jazz to soundtrack-like mood pieces to lush strings. And there is no euro-rapping, except a bit on the (otherwise good) industrial/dance track "I Want You.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 January 2004 11:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i liked 'I Want You' but NOT 'I Still Think Of You'

'Ohio' is also good though - Tom and others you should download that one

stevem (blueski), Monday, 5 January 2004 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link

AND 'Lost Vagueness' is okay too, that's from the last album

stevem (blueski), Monday, 5 January 2004 12:00 (eighteen years ago) link

funky music is an edwin starr sample or they actually got him in? When I saw them at glasto 2/3 yrs back I think he appeared on stage for that song (I was there but an unreliable witness)

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Monday, 5 January 2004 12:12 (eighteen years ago) link

he appeared in the video and on TOTP with them

stevem (blueski), Monday, 5 January 2004 12:49 (eighteen years ago) link

their 'comeback' had NO pop vocal samples and was trying to be Proper

According to the sleeve, No tape was used in the making of thos album. Utah Saints constructed this album from 5000 sonic pieces. Thank you Akai samplers.

I love the way they're not afraid to do the obvious thing. I mean it's too easy to take a sample from an obscure library record or 70's funk b-side, but it takes a fair bit of nous to use AWB's pick up the pieces or the Pretenders I go to sleep and make it sound fresh. They're like a DJ Shadow who wanted to make people dance instead of just idly stroking his goatee beard while crate digging.

Warning for Tom the second album is great but they're Michael Stipe's favourite band, so much so that he appears on 4 tracks on their second album.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 5 January 2004 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
Revive. Because that first album is now playing here at work on my speakers and all is well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 November 2004 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
something good: i hadn't heard this in like 10 years, but i remembered it was breakbeaty, and i remember the beginning of the vocal snippet going "oooohwwwii" over and over again. i think the last time i saw it was a video projected on a wall at a college dance i snuck into when i was like 15.

i had no idea it was kate bush until 3 mins ago when i d/led it again. forehead slap!

i love how halfassed the lift is: the cloudbusting strings just plain do not go with those chords! and whatever cd this copy came from it goes into energy flash.

f--gg (gcannon), Monday, 28 March 2005 07:58 (seventeen years ago) link

whoa is that "pretty vacant" tucked in there??

f--gg (gcannon), Monday, 28 March 2005 08:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Whoever said that the album was his first intro to "rave music" was so OTM. I played this album fairly obsessively in my freshmen year of college.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 28 March 2005 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I love Something Good. I was only about 10 when this came out, and it's probably the first electronic music I ever really liked. Also quite wonder when like f--gg I realised at about age 15 after getting heavily into Kate Bush that the sample was from Cloudbusting, which was at the time my favorite Kate Bush song. Still love sticking Something Good on compilations every now and then.

kate/thank you friendly cloud (papa november), Monday, 28 March 2005 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Excuse my terrible punctuation and spelling in that last post.

kate/thank you friendly cloud (papa november), Monday, 28 March 2005 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

swimmer one's cover of "cloudbusting" (soon to be released as a single, o fans of exquisite scottish synth-indie) owes a lot, in its own subtle way, to the utah saints. and thus the circle is completed. etc.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 28 March 2005 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

"Something Good" was my introduction to Kate Bush too. When I finally heard "Cloudbusting" I was quite relieved that I wasn't disappointed.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 28 March 2005 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...
heard 'something good' for the first time in years.

still as obnoxiously infectious as ever

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link

'What Can You Do For Me' has strangely re-emerged as quite a massive tune for me in the last 9 months or so. i wasn't THAT mad on it at the time it was in the charts.

blueski, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:51 (fifteen years ago) link

you need the version with the Queen 'Don't Stop Me Now' snippet tho

blueski, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:52 (fifteen years ago) link

The "New Gold Dream" re-make/re-model (Simple Minds as the Belgian techno act they should have been) is genius.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link

three years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_RKvDuzjVA

This shit is still sublime!

Tuomas, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 23:30 (eleven years ago) link

Love this album.

look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 23:32 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

Man, I miss tunes like this popping up on late night alt radio. So classic, yet left out of all the Utah Saints threads here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naaN1ITevGQ&feature=related

Cousin Slappy, Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:36 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

I didn't know they made a new version of "Something Good" in 2008! It's not that good, but the video is pretty funny (except for the final gag):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7MC8Lw5e9Q

This remix of the '08 version is dope though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjstOArT0RE

Tuomas, Friday, 19 February 2016 22:57 (six years ago) link

That last gag is terrible!

how's life, Saturday, 20 February 2016 14:25 (six years ago) link

as soon as i saw the gold pants i figured out the gag.
maybe i should pick this album up.
is there a difference between the us and uk release ?
i.e. sample issues.
have seen a cd copy of the us release in the racks locally, but was concerned that there would be differences.

mark e, Saturday, 20 February 2016 17:48 (six years ago) link

The US version is the one with black cover, right? Apparently it doesn't include "Believe in Me", which doesn't make sense, because it's their best single! (Though personally I like a couple of the album tracks even more than it.) You should get the UK version with the blue cover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc1AfIuseCo

Tuomas, Saturday, 20 February 2016 22:00 (six years ago) link

isn't this a variant on "My Mind Must Be Free"?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 February 2016 22:04 (six years ago) link

I know the "chorus" of that tune is sampled from Human League's "Love Action", and the "hu uh uh hu" bit is from Crown Heights Affair's "You Gave Me Love", but according to the credits there's also a sample from Sylvester's "Do You Wanna Funk" there, and I'm not sure what it is... Is it just the "aaoowooh" shout that you can hear at 0:34?

(xpost)

Tuomas, Saturday, 20 February 2016 22:07 (six years ago) link

isn't this a variant on "My Mind Must Be Free"?

I think it's the other way around... IIRC "Believe in Me" came out as a single before the album. But yeah, "My Mind Must Be Free" is clearly in the same mold, tho IMO it's even better, probably the best tune on the album.

Tuomas, Saturday, 20 February 2016 22:09 (six years ago) link

here's also a sample from Sylvester's "Do You Wanna Funk" there, and I'm not sure what it is... Is it just the "aaoowooh" shout that you can hear at 0:34?

Yep, it's Sylvester -- I caught it immediately. It recurs.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 February 2016 22:11 (six years ago) link

Wow, I didn't know this, but apparently US were in the infamous American techno movie "Vibrations":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KR4K19Hun0

...which of course is the source for this awesome scene!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0S6b7_Z404

Tuomas, Saturday, 20 February 2016 22:14 (six years ago) link

six years pass...

Inevitable.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 August 2022 13:48 (two weeks ago) link


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