― billstevejim, Friday, 2 January 2004 21:35 (twenty years ago) link
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― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 2 January 2004 22:17 (twenty years ago) link
Also re: "effective" use of samples - "Toxic" and Endtroducing use them for very different purposes and both are very effective.
― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 2 January 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago) link
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In a similar manner, it also kind of pisses me off when various Incubus songs or Avril's "Complicated" have sections with superfluous record scratching. I love "Complicated" and I do enjoy several Incubus singles, but those scratching noises stand as the only parts of those songs that I truly hate. The same goes for "Toxic" and "Faint" - it seems like the "sound" of a sample was placed into the song, I suppose for the sake of having the kids think it's more hiphop oriented, thus giving it more of an "edgy" sound, or something.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 3 January 2004 00:19 (twenty years ago) link
she must release it as a single, i am convinced it is a guaranteed hit (in the UK).
― lid, Saturday, 3 January 2004 17:06 (twenty years ago) link
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― billstevejim, Sunday, 4 January 2004 09:23 (twenty years ago) link
oh my, i cannot wait to see this. toxic will definitely be a hit because me and my friends love it and it will be even more of a hit if the video is "controversial". good move, brit.
― lid, Sunday, 4 January 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 4 January 2004 17:35 (twenty years ago) link
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― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 17 January 2004 03:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 31 January 2004 17:27 (twenty years ago) link
Most underrated thing Britney's done = "Born To Make You Happy". That really is a gorgeous song.
― Nick H (Nick H), Saturday, 31 January 2004 17:49 (twenty years ago) link
― billstevejim, Saturday, 31 January 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago) link
That's the appeal for me. That and she looks hott.
― Barima (Barima), Saturday, 31 January 2004 19:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 31 January 2004 19:45 (twenty years ago) link
― edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 1 February 2004 03:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Sunday, 1 February 2004 03:26 (twenty years ago) link
People forget about BTMYH though, sandwiched as it was between the behemoths of "Baby..." and "Ooops...". I think she was also at her hottest then, with the shorter, auburn hair. Rowr.
― Nick H (Nick H), Sunday, 1 February 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Barima (Barima), Sunday, 1 February 2004 20:48 (twenty years ago) link
I'm not sure why the strings on "Toxic" are being singled out as derivative when said strings are similar to so many other pop songs - how is this distinct from "Die Another Die" or "Don't Know What To Tell Ya" or etc. etc.? "Toxic" is great but it's hardly the first pop song to use strings in this fashion.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 2 February 2004 11:12 (twenty years ago) link
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― lid, Thursday, 5 February 2004 20:32 (twenty years ago) link
― billstevejim, Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:11 (twenty years ago) link
As in, it's like singling out a house tune and saying "man the 4/4 beat on that is really derivative". The strings in "Toxic" are stock-in-trade (if not quite as much as a house beat) but in a good way - a spoonful of cliche always helps the pop tune get down.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:19 (twenty years ago) link
Is "Faint" another Britney song? Forgive my ignorance but Im not a big Britney Spears fan.
― daavid, Friday, 6 February 2004 00:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 03:58 (twenty years ago) link
i haven't seen such positive consensus about a pop single among the people i know since... "Hey Ya"! but last night... two friends and i had our monthly hip hop/r&B/dancehall/ukg/pop club night, and as a friend was finishing his set with Sticky/Ms Dynamite's "Booo!", i mixed "Toxic" into it. when those strings soared, people started screaming!!! and when the beat kicked in, all hell broke loose. everyone was jumping, hands in the air all over the place, and the pre-chorus buzzy bit drove 'em nuts! you couldn't believe the joyful pandemonium it caused. after that i played "Hey Ya", and it got even more euphoric. (enthusiast pop djs take note: No Doubt's "It's My Life" also tore the place up!)
i was always annoyed with the Madonna comparisons, but now i've turned around to thinking that, for beter or worse, Britney IS the new Madonna. "I'm A Slave 4 U" warmed her up to my 20-something peers in a way that no pop-crit Cheiron praises ever could, and now she's everyone's favourite upfront pop-diva to get the party started. i've noticed da laydeez are especially fond of her.
the best thing that could happen right now is "Toxic" indeed becoming incredibly massive, and in turn making Britney ditch the lame R&B aspirations and do a whole album with those Swede guys who did "Toxic" and "Showdown". well, i can dream...
(also: how come no-one's yet mentioned how "Toxic"'s middle-eight TOTALLY rips off "Rock Lobster"?!?)
― Mind Taker, Friday, 13 February 2004 19:54 (twenty years ago) link
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― billstevejim, Friday, 13 February 2004 20:41 (twenty years ago) link
doesn't Madonna, like, sing LEAD on her songs? I finally heard "Toxic" and I was surprised how frikkin' barely there Britney is on it. It's entertaining but I definitely prefer "Faint."
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:27 (twenty years ago) link
"Toxic" will indeed be huge... people with all sorts of tastes seem to be loving it equally.
― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 13 February 2004 23:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 13 February 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago) link
* The producer's name. Bloodshy (real name: Christian Lars Karlsson).
* The fact that the string arrangement is all about pastiching Islamic and Indian pop.
I agree that it's the best pop single since 'Hey Ya'. I say this as someone so sick of pop that I only notice it when it's startlingly good, as 'Toxic' is.
― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 14 February 2004 17:28 (twenty years ago) link
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― Jedmond, Sunday, 15 February 2004 13:30 (twenty years ago) link
the strings make this song so euphoric, but i love the surfy guitar bits in the chorus too. and i disagree that you cant hear britney's presence/vocals on this song, i mean it's supposed to be cool, breathy, sexy, innit? which it is.
― lid, Sunday, 15 February 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago) link
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― Kim (Kim), Monday, 16 February 2004 00:57 (twenty years ago) link
(I do very much like Toxic tho)
― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 16 February 2004 01:13 (twenty years ago) link
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Sunday, 21 March 2004 06:49 (twenty years ago) link
wtf? yes i'm sure thats what the producers were thinking.. "how can we trick those pesky music nerds to like this song?"
hehehe
― don, Sunday, 21 March 2004 13:20 (twenty years ago) link
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― billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 16 June 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Friday, 16 June 2006 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link
still boring
― billstevejim, Monday, 18 May 2009 20:39 (fifteen years ago) link
how can the same dumb revive happen to the same guy twice?
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Monday, 18 May 2009 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link
cos it did
― billstevejim, Monday, 18 May 2009 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link