Tolkien, the original rockist music critic

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Perhaps. From the opening to The Silmarillion speaking of the creation of the universe:

And it seemed at last that there were two musics progressing at one time before the seat of Iluvatar, and they were utterly at variance. The one was deep and wide and beautiful, but slow and blended with an immeasurable sorrow, from which its beauty chiefly came. The other had now achieved a unity of its own, but it was loud and vain and endlessly repeated; and it had little harmony, but rather a clamourous unison as of many trumpets braying upon a few notes. And it essayed to drown the other music by the violence of its voice, but it seemed that its most triumphant notes were taken by the other and woven into its own solemn pattern.

(This only changed a little from the original text in 1917 or so, so something irritated him back then.)

Mind you, in another way he was incredibly prescient and astonishingly accurate about one group in particular -- from the Akallabeth:

It is said by the Eldar that Men came into the world in the time of the Shadow of Morgoth, and they fell swiftly under his dominion; for he sent his emissaries among them, and they listened to his evil and cunning words, and they worshipped the Darkness and yet feared it. But there were some that turned from evil.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 02:14 (sixteen years ago) link

See: Summoning.


James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 02:16 (sixteen years ago) link

and they worshipped the Darkness and yet feared it

Which is pretty much your take on Permission to Land, right?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 02:21 (sixteen years ago) link

I could go for some elfin big band.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 31 December 2003 02:29 (sixteen years ago) link

It looks like 'Elgar vs Stravinsky'

pete s, Wednesday, 31 December 2003 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link

haha that darkness bit is good

robin (robin), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 03:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Which is pretty much your take on Permission to Land, right?

No, that would be 'and they were fucking annoyed by the Darkness and suggested people listen to Pretty Boy Floyd instead.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link

but rather a clamourous unison as of many trumpets braying upon a few notes.

Dude, Middle-Earth brass bands!

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 17:13 (sixteen years ago) link

I like Pete's analogy, especially considering the Worcestershire connection ...

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link

There was stuff like that in those Chronicles of Narnia books I read when i was a lad. I assume they both just took it from the bible.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 1 January 2004 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link

They took music criticism from the Bible?

And St. Eddy spake saying, "Oh lord, bless this thy holy Kix album."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 January 2004 21:31 (sixteen years ago) link

So, essentially, Tolkien thinks that the Elves would not dig Heavy Metal?

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Thursday, 1 January 2004 21:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Or techno, but presumably would like Sigur Ros (if you think the description of the slow meditative music applies to Sigur Ros, which I do not think it does by any means, in that the description Tolkien provides is positive).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 January 2004 21:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I would've though Tolkien would be a Yes fan.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 1 January 2004 21:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Tolkien likes:

Tolkien haaayyytes:
Everything else?

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Thursday, 1 January 2004 21:44 (sixteen years ago) link

its a shame tolkein don't like black sabbath - imagine how incredible the battle of minastirith would be with 'War Pigs' on full blast

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 1 January 2004 23:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Tolkien may have had his vision become reality now that a hobbit has won World Idol. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 2 January 2004 01:58 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm very pleased about that result incidentally.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Friday, 2 January 2004 02:05 (sixteen years ago) link

I would've though Tolkien would be a Yes fan.

But did he like Bo Hansson?

Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 2 January 2004 11:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Elves listening to Sigur Ros = more proof that Elves = RUB

Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 2 January 2004 11:26 (sixteen years ago) link

bo hannson's lord of the rings = k-sux0r.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 2 January 2004 11:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Is that the Erotic Symphony thing that Mark S tried to buy?

Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 2 January 2004 11:32 (sixteen years ago) link

No, its this

Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 2 January 2004 12:58 (sixteen years ago) link

That's it, yes. It seems to get much luv on several prog lists I'm on, but I think it's really terrible (not as bad as pentateuch of the cosmogony by a long way tho') (that guy reveiws some great other albums mind)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 2 January 2004 13:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Some real audio here

Some might say that domain name contains a better idea ...

Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 2 January 2004 13:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Thee only other lotr-related prog thing I can think of = "galadriel" by barclay james harvers, which is also awful, though I'm sure there's many many more, especially in recent years, & the explosion of self-released prog/electronic music. Tolkien is a black hole of musical inspiration, I'm sure. I like the books loads, but I'm sure no good could ever come of basing music on bits of them.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 2 January 2004 13:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Enya did a song called "Lothlorien"
Do you think thats a good thing or a bad thing?

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Friday, 2 January 2004 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link

I think it's good that they made sure Enya sang with an orchestra rather than synths on her LOTR theme song.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 January 2004 21:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I love that barclay james harvest song. Not sure it's *good*, but I still like it.

Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Friday, 2 January 2004 23:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Elves = RUB

Hmmm, Mr Boyofbolgers. It seems to me that it is the Elves who sustain the hobbits at all their critical moments, when they are often found unconsciously speaking Elvish to get themselves out of their tight spots. They (specifically Frodo & Sam) would also be in the poo quite a few times without the gifts of the lady, who, blow me down, according to Jackson literally picks Frodo up when he is feeling down in Cirith Ungol.

I quite like that BJH tune, too.

Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 2 January 2004 23:51 (sixteen years ago) link

six years pass...

getting really into Summoning records, even though I haven't read a word of Tolkien since I was a kid

the most sacred couple in Christendom (J0hn D.), Thursday, 11 March 2010 15:17 (nine years ago) link

Aw, I love that Bo Hansson album.

How to Make an American Quit (Abbott), Thursday, 11 March 2010 18:12 (nine years ago) link

Dudes, Elvish Presley/Black Elf Speaks. Feel it.

Magic is real.

grandavis, Thursday, 11 March 2010 19:07 (nine years ago) link

five years pass...

Not a big reader of Tolkien, so I just learned last weekend that the name Burzum comes from there. I went and checked it out and apparently there are quite a few bands out there with Tolkien-derived names.

So, I had some friends in high school who named their band after something fron Tolkien and received some sort of letter from the estate threatening legal action if they didn't change their name. And they were just some high school/community collefe guys that mostly played teen center dances. So how have Burzum, Amon Amarth, Gorgoroth, etc. pulled it off? Is the Tolkien estate actually toothless in this regard?

how's life, Thursday, 12 March 2015 10:57 (four years ago) link

Tim F, Thursday, 12 March 2015 11:29 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

cosmic symphonic squall heed not the dissonance of proto-morgoth and his goth kid sidekick, gorthaur the cruel. the melody shall heighten and resolve. dance in the dark of night \m/ sing to the morning light \m/

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:36 (two months ago) link

In my podcast I will...wait I actually could talk about this in my podcast.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:37 (two months ago) link

tbf to the boy Tolkien I'm pretty sure in the book that was a metaphor not a really fucking stupid CGI set piece

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:45 (two months ago) link

ned at some point please throw some love to this miraculous collective

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:47 (two months ago) link

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