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Thanks, that was pretty cool

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 12:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Harmonia albums were re-issued last month, in Germany at least, w00t!

Schwingung (Damian), Thursday, 25 December 2003 03:26 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...
I'm pulling down this guy's first few solo albums right now. Who likes what? I seem to recall Cope or someone accusing them of sounding like Neu!-lite. But the idea of Jaki Liebezeit playing with him is...exciting. Do tell...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 22 May 2004 05:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Flammende Herzen, track 2 I think
"Zyclodrome"?
ah, "Zyklodrom" pretty close

Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 22 May 2004 05:23 (fifteen years ago) link

I like the first four pretty solidly. They're not too much like the Neu! albums, though you can tell it's him - they're very smooth and melodic-sounding. I have trouble remembering what melodies come from what albums, especially with the first two. He doesn't play much guitar on "Lust" (the 5th one), which I think is too bad. It's self-produced, and has some good songs on it, but the synthesizer (and fairlight?) sounds are not that nice. I've heard the one after that (with the funny Donald-Duck painting cover - I can't remember the title), but unfortunately I didn't like the songs, much less the sounds.

jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Saturday, 22 May 2004 05:30 (fifteen years ago) link

shit. for some reason i was thinking Anthony Rother... anyhoo

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Saturday, 22 May 2004 07:01 (fifteen years ago) link

I remember thinking Esperanza was pretty terrible when I heard it in the 90's. Listening to the first few tracks of Sterntaler right now. Decidedly more elegiac than Neu! Very nice...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 22 May 2004 14:31 (fifteen years ago) link

This is great. The more Krautrock threads the better, I say. Hmm, guess I'll have to check out this guy, too. Can't say I'm much of a Neu! fan, though.

Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 22 May 2004 14:50 (fifteen years ago) link

didn't see this thread before, I posted my Rother comments into the Krautrock Side Projects thread...

basically yes agreed, the first four. that fairlight was the end of him.

the less said about Neu! 4 the better... half finish jams from two days in the late 80's, rother was furious when dinger released it. it goes for insane prices: do not bother with it.

(Jon L), Saturday, 22 May 2004 20:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Agreed - the first few are excellent. "Sterntaler" in particular, is wonderful, almost a continuation of the first side of Neu! 75. Some of his New Agey stuff from the 80s are amusing because they sounds so dated.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 24 May 2004 15:30 (fifteen years ago) link

I love how clean and pretty Sterntaler is. Conny Plank was really a genius, wasn't he?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 00:37 (fifteen years ago) link

don't wait to download 'KM10'

(Jon L), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 01:02 (fifteen years ago) link

It's queued up. Katzenmusik 8, the one w/ the backwards tapes, is fairly stunning.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 27 May 2004 03:39 (fifteen years ago) link

"Conny Plank was really a genius, wasn't he?"

yes, he was. One of the best producers ever. Someone should write something about the great German producers like Conny, Uwe Nettlebeck and Dieter Dierks pre-Scorpions and how they influenced lots of other people.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Hint: Conny will be included in Part Two of Stylus's Producers feature next month.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:41 (fifteen years ago) link

sorry for the question, is Stylus a US magazine?

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Conny is a hero AND a genius, sorry was (sob)

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:44 (fifteen years ago) link

sorry for the question, is Stylus a US magazine?

More or less.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:45 (fifteen years ago) link

dankeschen!

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link

>Conny will be included in Part Two

you bringing up the whole Autobahn thing?

(Jon L), Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:15 (fifteen years ago) link

That he produced it, you mean?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link

v. good

(Jon L), Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:28 (fifteen years ago) link

oui

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link

(co-produced, to be pure about it. but it's a pisser that they denied him percentages on an album that did so well when his studio was operating on the edge for the next decade.)

(Jon L), Thursday, 27 May 2004 19:04 (fifteen years ago) link

"Katzenmusik 10" is quite nice, indeed, Milton. What makes you think Can, per se? That is, other than Jaki's presence...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 29 May 2004 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link

I dunno, the cyclical ascending three note hook reminds me czukay bass lines as much as it does rother. but everything is so built around the drums in can, if jaki's on a track I have an automatic response...

(Jon L), Saturday, 29 May 2004 20:58 (fifteen years ago) link

three years pass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHu9QryT0Xw

, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

einarehn (1 day ago)
Gay!

am0n, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 21:56 (twelve years ago) link

That was terrific.

willem, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 10:19 (twelve years ago) link

Corny German hippie.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 10:48 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

There's a big batch of Rother reissues coming soon on Water- Sternthaler, Fernwarme, Flammende Herzen, and Katzenmusik.

Telephone thing, Friday, 14 September 2007 13:03 (twelve years ago) link

Yes!

baaderonixx, Friday, 14 September 2007 13:28 (twelve years ago) link

Again?

Tom D., Friday, 14 September 2007 14:12 (twelve years ago) link

AWESOME. got any more info on these?

BATTAGS, Friday, 14 September 2007 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

technically never been available in the US, and I bet you Water will be smart enough to leave off those horrible bonus tracks of 90's remixes that marred the SPV editions, which retailed for $25+ when they came out before dropping... probably english liner notes as well.

Water picked the first four, the ones with Jaki on drums & Conny producing. they know their music, those guys

Milton Parker, Friday, 14 September 2007 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

On 01 July 2007 Michael Rother joined the Red Hot Chili Peppers for the endjam at their concert in Hamburg. John Frusciante, Flea, Chad Smith, Josh Klinghoffer and Michael Rother played for about 25 minutes to an enthusiastic crowd of 35.000 people

mizzell, Friday, 14 September 2007 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

Amazon doesn't have tracklistings yet, but the solicitation text doesn't mention the bonus tracks, thank god. I'm happy it's Water putting these out, after they did such a good job with the Cluster/Eno material, and not, say, Cleopatra's "Purple Pyramid" Kraut/psych division.

Telephone thing, Friday, 14 September 2007 17:43 (twelve years ago) link

Rother has done a whole tour with John Frusciante, so makes sense.

baaderonixx, Saturday, 15 September 2007 08:59 (twelve years ago) link

Water picked the first four, the ones with Jaki on drums & Conny producing. they know their music, those guys

That's one way of looking at it, the other is that the rest of his albums are so bad ("Lust" is esp. foul) that you'd mad to want to re-release them. Did Conny produce the 1st 4 albums? I thought Rother prod. them himself - in Forst.

Tom D., Saturday, 15 September 2007 10:44 (twelve years ago) link

Covers of my copies of Flammende Herzen (in Conny's studio), Sternthaler and Katzenmusik (in both Conny's studio & Forst) say "Produktion Rother/Plank" (FH's cover also says "Toning: C. Plank").

willem, Sunday, 16 September 2007 07:57 (twelve years ago) link

six months pass...

i saw those water reissues at a store today. didn't know they were out

am0n, Sunday, 6 April 2008 01:46 (eleven years ago) link

katzenmusik is epic

r1o natsume, Sunday, 6 April 2008 13:23 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

yes.

i mentioned it on another thread, but: michael rother is a good-looking man.

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Monday, 16 November 2009 07:05 (ten years ago) link

It's true! He was wearing his 59 years lightly in the recent BBC4 Krautrock documentary. "I've always lived near rivers," he said, by way of explanation of the rhythmic flow of Neu!. He then listed a few places he'd lived, including WILMSLOW. Wilmslow!

Michael Jones, Monday, 16 November 2009 09:18 (ten years ago) link

Having seen him live a couple of years ago, very much so! Could've passed for 20 years younger.

Plus whenever I find myself reading some internet gear review which suggests that you have to have an expensive top-of-the-range guitar to be worth a damn, I think about how for some customs reason he hadn't been able to bring his own guitar, and he'd been lent a cheap one by one of the local support acts, and he still had that unmistakeable Michael Rother tone.

subtyll cauillacyons (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 16 November 2009 10:24 (ten years ago) link

sonnenrad from sterntaler, my fave by rother. great guitar sound which always makes me think of liquid gold. an addictive tune with a melancholic undertone and an incredible pull. when i saw him a two years ago with moebius that piece with rother on guitar alone saved the whole evening. which on the whole was rather crap as most of the time they made prefabricated computer music.

http://www.lastfm.de/music/Michael+Rother/_/Sonnenrad?autostart

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 16 November 2009 13:21 (ten years ago) link

haw - I played Sonnenrad on my radio show last week!! !

sackful of hollow (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 16 November 2009 13:34 (ten years ago) link

Hmmm i need to get Sterntaler. I have Flammende Herzen and fucking love it.

Durian Durian (Jon Lewis), Monday, 16 November 2009 16:23 (ten years ago) link

yeah, sterntaler is my fave. I'd rate it close to top-tier harmonia/cluster.

original bgm, Monday, 16 November 2009 16:50 (ten years ago) link

This is doing my head in at the moment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b071c24k

He has so many adorable stories, he just sounds so lovely.

Möbius the Stripper (Branwell with an N), Monday, 29 February 2016 09:13 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

66 years old yesterday! Happy Birthday Michael!

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Sunday, 3 September 2017 12:29 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Michael Rother boxset "Solo"
The vinyl and CD boxset "Michael Rother - Solo" will be released in collaboration with Groenland Records on 22 February 2019.

The vinyl version of the boxset will contain the original and digitally remastered albums "Flammende Herzen", "Sterntaler", "Katzenmusik" and "Fernwärme" as well as the album "Soundtracks" with Michael Rother´s scores to the feature films "Houston" and "The Robbers" as well as the album "Live & Remixes" featuring two remixes for Paul Weller and the British band "Boxed In" and live recordings of the new track "Groove 139" (with Hans Lampe and Franz Bargmann) and "Drone Schlager" by his project "Hallogallo 2010" (with Steve Shelley of Sonic Youth and Aaron Mullan of "Tall Firs").

(A bit) more here, incl. a youtube of "Groove 139", which is some groovy motorik stuff (and (therefore) awesome)
http://thequietus.com/articles/25758-michael-rother-new-box-set-solo

willem, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 14:51 (one year ago) link

Those records are so, so good, completely core kraut-kosmische for me (I may actually listen to Flammende Herzen more often than Neu tbh)

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:12 (one year ago) link

I will totally take any of those first four Rother albums over anything else he ever did. Katzenmuzik is actually on my shortlist for favorite records ever.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:35 (one year ago) link

otm - they are apex expressions of 'innigkeit'

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:56 (one year ago) link

Wish I liked these records more, but I think these three Rother albums (I've never heard the fourth) are some of the silliest and least challenging albums to emerge from the whole Krautrock scene: "Sonnenrad" is lovely, yes, but every other Rother track is like a less-good version of that one ("Stromlinien," for instance, is nearly identical). Katzenmusik is one idea spread across an entire album. The brittle guitar sound on songs like "Karussell" reminds me of The Cars or something, and not in a good way. Compared to an immediate contemporary such as, say, Manuel Gottsching (whose run of albums between '77 and '79 mops the floor with anything Rother ever did, including Neu!), Rother hardly rates. Every Rother solo tune sounds like he's about to break into the melody of "Modern Love" by Bowie at any moment; every song.

Sorry, rant over. I'm still bitter about being convinced to buy those Water reissues a decade ago

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 23:26 (one year ago) link

LOL totally disagree but totally love your skewering anyway

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 23:42 (one year ago) link

Yes, total bollocks. Having said that, I always think the Rother albums are a bit on the bland side, a bit too nice, I prefer La Dusseldorf. I love his guitar playing though. I like Ashra too, but they're bland too.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:02 (one year ago) link

although I raved about "Zyklodrom" above from memory some 14 blink-of-an-eye years back, when I listened again to Flammende Herzen the track that still did it for me was/is "Feuerland", with its smears of sound and fatigued/winded drum sound (which reminds me of JD's Closer, e.g. "Passover"). I suspect that Martin Hannett was listening closely, just as "Oasis" on Ash Ra's Correlations invents Durutti Column a year early.

Paul, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:12 (one year ago) link

Every Rother solo tune sounds like he's about to break into the melody of "Modern Love" by Bowie

haha oh wow

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:25 (one year ago) link

I listened to these again last night after reading the thread and agree they do sound a little enervated - like echoes of previous work, work in which he was more immanent. I do love the title track of Flammende Herzen - that and Feuerland.

Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:23 (one year ago) link

"Oasis" on Ash Ra's Correlations invents Durutti Column a year early.

This is true btw.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:45 (one year ago) link

Stromlinien is my favourite thing he's ever done, like a krautrock Shadows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvDmbjqPfb8

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:02 (one year ago) link

idk about enervated/not immanent

the michael rother albums are 'redeemed' music, not 'struggle' music. It is their core identity to be thus. Deluxe and Neu! are at least partly struggle music.

(classic examples of redeemed music/struggle music for context: mozart/beethoven, early stravinsky/mid period stravinsky, david sylvian/scott walker, kottke/fahey)

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:07 (one year ago) link

He'd definitely had a Hank Marvin thing going on.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:07 (one year ago) link

early/mid stravinsky are the wrong way around in what I just typed

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:09 (one year ago) link

the michael rother albums are 'redeemed' music, not 'struggle' music. It is their core identity to be thus. Deluxe and Neu! are at least partly struggle music.

I like this explanation; I need to think about it. I suppose I instinctively find the former more engaging, where the latter can seem a little programmatic.

Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:28 (one year ago) link

yeah it really depends; i have music from either type that reduces me to a shuddering jelly

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:33 (one year ago) link

This is the thing - I'm not against redemptive at ALL; in fact, I might prefer the strange kind of ecstacy that comes with the unburdening of struggle. An obvious point, but it's always the quality of the expression.

Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:48 (one year ago) link

Digging this convo
Thanks to all, as always, for tolerating my ridiculous pronouncements

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 22:52 (one year ago) link

Every Rother solo tune sounds like he's about to break into the melody of "Modern Love" by Bowie at any moment

that 3am manhattan vibe is a good thing imho. "modern love" is self-actualized/-redeemed blues -- "i know when to go out and when to stay in . . . it's not really work, it's just the power to charm" -- resonant like rother's solo stuff of the bittersweet relief/ennui of a world-class artist with nothing left to prove but still the impulse to create

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 23:30 (one year ago) link

is there a particular origin for the redeemed/struggle dichotomy?

rob, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 23:49 (one year ago) link

Not entirely, it’s kind of a personal fixation, but it sprang from an interview in the wire with Scott Walker shortly after tilt came out in which Sylvian comes up and, at least the way I remember it, SW contrasted his music and Sylvian’s by describing the latter’s music as coming from a “redeemed” place. Stuck in my mind. Struggle is not a great polar twin term but you see what I’m getting at.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 6 December 2018 00:24 (one year ago) link

Found it tucked away quoted by a commenter on one of momus’ live journal posts:

He's much more of an ethereal merchant than I am. I'm a man who struggles with spirituality whereas he's given in to it. My album and the one before it is about struggle in a Dostoyevskian sense. It's a real fight for me in every line. Whereas he's given in to a state of grace.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 6 December 2018 00:32 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

his first four albums are re-released, also available on spotify now.

JoeStork, Saturday, 23 February 2019 23:26 (one year ago) link

another good interview: https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2019/03/06/michael-rother-the-aquarium-drunkard-interview/
I like michael rother, he seems like a cool guy.

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 15:44 (eleven months ago) link

one month passes...

Played live in London earlier this month, with Thurston Moore opening. Review: https://thequietus.com/articles/26329-michael-rother-neu-live-review

Amazing setlist (4 to 9 constitute Sterntaler, but Scheisse, look the songs that make up the rest of the set!)
1. Katzenmusik 1/Katzenmusik 5/Katzenmusik 6
2. Neuschnee
3. Seeland
4. Sonnenrad
5. Blauer Regen
6. Stromlinien
7. Sterntaler
8. Fontana di Luna
9. Orchestrion
10. Deluxe (Immer Wieder)
11. Hallogallo
12. Dino
13. Negativland (with Thurston Moore)
14. E-Musik (with Thurston Moore)

willem, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 20:39 (ten months ago) link

oh damn, I'd pay like....20 bucks for a live album of that

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 20:41 (ten months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtYvda-Q2Nc

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 21:23 (ten months ago) link

that was AWESOME thank you

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 22:19 (ten months ago) link

wow <3

nxd, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 09:01 (ten months ago) link

it's now impossible for any vaguely avant-garde gig to happen in London without Thurston Moore showing up, apparently

Neil S, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 09:14 (ten months ago) link

Pretty much.

Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 09:22 (ten months ago) link

and an irresistible, groove-driven ‘Hallogallo’ from the first Neu! album, that gets the crowd dancing wildly. An audience member shouts out: ‘Play that one again and for longer!’

Can that clip above loop for three hours?

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 19 April 2019 19:22 (ten months ago) link

nine months pass...

some days i think if sterntaler was the only music i heard for the rest of my life i'd be okay with it

today is def one of those days

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 14:43 (three weeks ago) link

never heard this before. listening now - it extremely owns

||||||||, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 18:26 (three weeks ago) link

hell yes

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 18:31 (three weeks ago) link

I hadn't listened to it in a long time so I put it on now immediately my mood improved 100%. Thank you thread and Michael.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 6 February 2020 05:48 (three weeks ago) link

I listened to him constantly after Brexit Day - his albums (first 4) are a pure sugar rush.

(includes digression on farting) (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 February 2020 09:25 (three weeks ago) link

He comes across in interviews as an extremely pleasant, positive and nice person - and his music mirrors his personality perfectly.

(includes digression on farting) (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 February 2020 09:28 (three weeks ago) link

Tother is on most of my playmixes, he goes with everything

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 February 2020 12:20 (three weeks ago) link

tom otm re: nice guy michael, i always feel bad for him that he had to play with certified bastard klaus dinger despite the magic of their work in neu!

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 February 2020 12:41 (three weeks ago) link

Perfect combination of personalities imo.

(includes digression on farting) (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 February 2020 16:29 (three weeks ago) link

The sober ying to Klaus' raging yang

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 6 February 2020 16:37 (three weeks ago) link

Dude is supporting Einstürzende Neubauten in Denmark in a few months. I've been trying to persuade them to get Rother to join them onstage for a song, because wow, I think that could have a similar sober ying / raging yang dynamic. Blixa seems to like the idea, and he's actually thinking about it?

Like, the Düsseldorf school and the Berlin school colliding in such a pleasing and circle-completing way would make me so happy.

Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 07:22 (two weeks ago) link

Is he still hot af @ 69 yo?

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 07:25 (two weeks ago) link

Blixa or Michael? They are both still hottttt.

Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 07:41 (two weeks ago) link

Michael looks really spry and healthy, like he plays tennis every day. :D

Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 07:42 (two weeks ago) link


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