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Thanks, that was pretty cool

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 12:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Harmonia albums were re-issued last month, in Germany at least, w00t!

Schwingung (Damian), Thursday, 25 December 2003 03:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
I'm pulling down this guy's first few solo albums right now. Who likes what? I seem to recall Cope or someone accusing them of sounding like Neu!-lite. But the idea of Jaki Liebezeit playing with him is...exciting. Do tell...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 22 May 2004 05:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Flammende Herzen, track 2 I think
"Zyclodrome"?
ah, "Zyklodrom" pretty close

Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 22 May 2004 05:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I like the first four pretty solidly. They're not too much like the Neu! albums, though you can tell it's him - they're very smooth and melodic-sounding. I have trouble remembering what melodies come from what albums, especially with the first two. He doesn't play much guitar on "Lust" (the 5th one), which I think is too bad. It's self-produced, and has some good songs on it, but the synthesizer (and fairlight?) sounds are not that nice. I've heard the one after that (with the funny Donald-Duck painting cover - I can't remember the title), but unfortunately I didn't like the songs, much less the sounds.

jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Saturday, 22 May 2004 05:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

shit. for some reason i was thinking Anthony Rother... anyhoo

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Saturday, 22 May 2004 07:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I remember thinking Esperanza was pretty terrible when I heard it in the 90's. Listening to the first few tracks of Sterntaler right now. Decidedly more elegiac than Neu! Very nice...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 22 May 2004 14:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This is great. The more Krautrock threads the better, I say. Hmm, guess I'll have to check out this guy, too. Can't say I'm much of a Neu! fan, though.

Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 22 May 2004 14:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

didn't see this thread before, I posted my Rother comments into the Krautrock Side Projects thread...

basically yes agreed, the first four. that fairlight was the end of him.

the less said about Neu! 4 the better... half finish jams from two days in the late 80's, rother was furious when dinger released it. it goes for insane prices: do not bother with it.

(Jon L), Saturday, 22 May 2004 20:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Agreed - the first few are excellent. "Sterntaler" in particular, is wonderful, almost a continuation of the first side of Neu! 75. Some of his New Agey stuff from the 80s are amusing because they sounds so dated.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 24 May 2004 15:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I love how clean and pretty Sterntaler is. Conny Plank was really a genius, wasn't he?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 00:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

don't wait to download 'KM10'

(Jon L), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 01:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It's queued up. Katzenmusik 8, the one w/ the backwards tapes, is fairly stunning.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 27 May 2004 03:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Conny Plank was really a genius, wasn't he?"

yes, he was. One of the best producers ever. Someone should write something about the great German producers like Conny, Uwe Nettlebeck and Dieter Dierks pre-Scorpions and how they influenced lots of other people.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hint: Conny will be included in Part Two of Stylus's Producers feature next month.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

sorry for the question, is Stylus a US magazine?

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Conny is a hero AND a genius, sorry was (sob)

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

sorry for the question, is Stylus a US magazine?

More or less.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dankeschen!

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

>Conny will be included in Part Two

you bringing up the whole Autobahn thing?

(Jon L), Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

That he produced it, you mean?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

v. good

(Jon L), Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oui

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(co-produced, to be pure about it. but it's a pisser that they denied him percentages on an album that did so well when his studio was operating on the edge for the next decade.)

(Jon L), Thursday, 27 May 2004 19:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Katzenmusik 10" is quite nice, indeed, Milton. What makes you think Can, per se? That is, other than Jaki's presence...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 29 May 2004 20:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I dunno, the cyclical ascending three note hook reminds me czukay bass lines as much as it does rother. but everything is so built around the drums in can, if jaki's on a track I have an automatic response...

(Jon L), Saturday, 29 May 2004 20:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHu9QryT0Xw

, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 20:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

einarehn (1 day ago)
Gay!

am0n, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 21:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

That was terrific.

willem, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 10:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Corny German hippie.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 10:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

There's a big batch of Rother reissues coming soon on Water- Sternthaler, Fernwarme, Flammende Herzen, and Katzenmusik.

Telephone thing, Friday, 14 September 2007 13:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yes!

baaderonixx, Friday, 14 September 2007 13:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Again?

Tom D., Friday, 14 September 2007 14:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

AWESOME. got any more info on these?

BATTAGS, Friday, 14 September 2007 16:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

technically never been available in the US, and I bet you Water will be smart enough to leave off those horrible bonus tracks of 90's remixes that marred the SPV editions, which retailed for $25+ when they came out before dropping... probably english liner notes as well.

Water picked the first four, the ones with Jaki on drums & Conny producing. they know their music, those guys

Milton Parker, Friday, 14 September 2007 16:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

On 01 July 2007 Michael Rother joined the Red Hot Chili Peppers for the endjam at their concert in Hamburg. John Frusciante, Flea, Chad Smith, Josh Klinghoffer and Michael Rother played for about 25 minutes to an enthusiastic crowd of 35.000 people

mizzell, Friday, 14 September 2007 16:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Amazon doesn't have tracklistings yet, but the solicitation text doesn't mention the bonus tracks, thank god. I'm happy it's Water putting these out, after they did such a good job with the Cluster/Eno material, and not, say, Cleopatra's "Purple Pyramid" Kraut/psych division.

Telephone thing, Friday, 14 September 2007 17:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Rother has done a whole tour with John Frusciante, so makes sense.

baaderonixx, Saturday, 15 September 2007 08:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Water picked the first four, the ones with Jaki on drums & Conny producing. they know their music, those guys

That's one way of looking at it, the other is that the rest of his albums are so bad ("Lust" is esp. foul) that you'd mad to want to re-release them. Did Conny produce the 1st 4 albums? I thought Rother prod. them himself - in Forst.

Tom D., Saturday, 15 September 2007 10:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Covers of my copies of Flammende Herzen (in Conny's studio), Sternthaler and Katzenmusik (in both Conny's studio & Forst) say "Produktion Rother/Plank" (FH's cover also says "Toning: C. Plank").

willem, Sunday, 16 September 2007 07:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

i saw those water reissues at a store today. didn't know they were out

am0n, Sunday, 6 April 2008 01:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

katzenmusik is epic

r1o natsume, Sunday, 6 April 2008 13:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

yes.

i mentioned it on another thread, but: michael rother is a good-looking man.

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Monday, 16 November 2009 07:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

It's true! He was wearing his 59 years lightly in the recent BBC4 Krautrock documentary. "I've always lived near rivers," he said, by way of explanation of the rhythmic flow of Neu!. He then listed a few places he'd lived, including WILMSLOW. Wilmslow!

Michael Jones, Monday, 16 November 2009 09:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

Having seen him live a couple of years ago, very much so! Could've passed for 20 years younger.

Plus whenever I find myself reading some internet gear review which suggests that you have to have an expensive top-of-the-range guitar to be worth a damn, I think about how for some customs reason he hadn't been able to bring his own guitar, and he'd been lent a cheap one by one of the local support acts, and he still had that unmistakeable Michael Rother tone.

subtyll cauillacyons (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 16 November 2009 10:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

sonnenrad from sterntaler, my fave by rother. great guitar sound which always makes me think of liquid gold. an addictive tune with a melancholic undertone and an incredible pull. when i saw him a two years ago with moebius that piece with rother on guitar alone saved the whole evening. which on the whole was rather crap as most of the time they made prefabricated computer music.

http://www.lastfm.de/music/Michael+Rother/_/Sonnenrad?autostart

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 16 November 2009 13:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

haw - I played Sonnenrad on my radio show last week!! !

sackful of hollow (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 16 November 2009 13:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hmmm i need to get Sterntaler. I have Flammende Herzen and fucking love it.

Durian Durian (Jon Lewis), Monday, 16 November 2009 16:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah, sterntaler is my fave. I'd rate it close to top-tier harmonia/cluster.

original bgm, Monday, 16 November 2009 16:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

is the BBC4 documentary available for viewing anywhere? Can't see it in eye-player.

mmmm, Monday, 16 November 2009 17:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

it used to be on vimeo a couple of days ago but it isn't anymore.

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 16 November 2009 17:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

the narration is so fucking dire. is that standard for bbc4 docs?

luol deng (am0n), Monday, 16 November 2009 17:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

thanks very much, don't know why I didn't think of YT.

mmmm, Monday, 16 November 2009 17:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah the overwrought narration is the same as on those african music docs that came out last year (?). may even be the same dude?

BBC4 obviously has a house style for these things that can be irritating. as i said on another thread, the conclusion to the krautrock doc was really unsatisfactory. bowie? really? who didn't even play with many german musicians? what about the unending and continually renewed influence of krautrock--stereolab, etc. etc.? that would seem to be the way the BBC would be inclined to go: make it relevant to the youth by showing how this old-guy music has continuing influence. maybe they just ran out of time?

also -- malcolm mooney really got shafted here. in an unacceptable way. the way the doc tells the story, you'd think that can was formed when damo suzuki showed up and started to sing.

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Monday, 16 November 2009 20:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

also: no damo suzuki's wang, no credibility.

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Monday, 16 November 2009 20:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

re: Rother's looks; I'm glad someone else noticed this. Something strange is going on with these guys - I hope that I age half as well as he has. Ditto on Karl Bartos. Michael Karoli was also ridiculously good looking. What's wrong with me???

frogbs, Thursday, 3 February 2011 18:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

flammende herzen is a very breezy listen. been meaning to pick it up for ages - due to really loving justus kohncke's version of 'feuerland' for a long time as much as the rother-neu-harmonia connections.

ANTACID TRAX (haitch), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 04:03 (four years ago) Permalink

i remember accidentally listening to one of his records on 45 instead of 33 and it had some major mystical durutti column vibes going on

doodle cock-up (electricsound), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 04:10 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

*whimpers*

Last night was so, so good! I've only ever seen him as a little ant on a stage in a huge place like the Southbank Centre. Seeing him up close in a little club was... exciting. His guitar tone is so... I don't know how he does it. He is the least guitar hero guitar hero I have ever seen.

Also he continues to be an astonishingly good looking man. He's not very big though. He never stops grinning it seems; there's something very impish about him.

Möbius the Stripper (Branwell with an N), Saturday, 6 February 2016 09:06 (two years ago) Permalink

Did he have lots of pedals and things sitting on top of a table in front of him?

scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 6 February 2016 23:23 (two years ago) Permalink

He only had 4 guitar pedals (maybe 5? But I think one was a tuner) but yes a whole table of gear. I was so close I couldn't actually see well what was on the table because of the angle of the stage. I could definitely see he was using a laptop (with a sequencer that cut him off if he got too bashful and said "danke" too much) and some kind of rack mount - could have been a sampler, could have been a processor; I could only see the back. But an unfeasible amount of wires and cables and what looked like splitters or DI boxes. Hans Lampe was using headphones for a click track and some kind of trigger pads on the drums that I suspected came from Michael's gear. A lot of what they were doing was playing against samples and backing tracks - for NEU! songs they had one set of (processed) drums on the sample track, and then Hans would play the second, live drums on top - so there were 2 drummers, one living one dead, which was a bit strange. There were a lot of ghosts onstage, which Michael acknowledged several times. For the Harmonia tracks, again, he had his bandmates in a silver box while the three of them (there was another lad who played live rhythm guitar or bass) played on top.

It was very sensitively done! A real sense of "this is how these tracks were meant to be performed but there wasn't the technology at the time" balanced with the fact that so many of his collaborators - Klaus, Dieter, Conny - are now dead. It was a moving tribute - but also it felt live enough that it totally ROX0Red. Hans broke a sweat, even if Michael is ageless and also poreless. Have I mentioned how beautiful he is? He is phenomenally handsome, that man.

I'm trying to remember all the songs he played. He would say "that was Neuschnee" or "that was Isi, from NEU! 75" or "Veteranissimo which we performed as Harmonia" to which we would laugh and say "yes, Michael we know" (the front row probably knew his catalogue better than he did) so then he stopped introducing the tracks and played at least 2 songs I didn't recognise! He did Katzenmusik "because there was a request from England" which made me very very happy. Seeland, Negativland, Immer Wieder (without words which was weird) and several others I've forgotten.

Möbius the Stripper (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 7 February 2016 11:52 (two years ago) Permalink

Katzenmusik! So cool!

scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 7 February 2016 13:01 (two years ago) Permalink

His first three solo albums are all stunningly good, some of Liebezeit's finest ever work on them as well.

calzino, Sunday, 7 February 2016 14:51 (two years ago) Permalink

This thread revive inspired me to blast out Flammende Herzen this aft, such a euphoric album.

calzino, Sunday, 7 February 2016 16:26 (two years ago) Permalink

feuerland is the motorik sound taken to perfection

calzino, Sunday, 7 February 2016 16:42 (two years ago) Permalink

Flammende is my special favorite

scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 7 February 2016 18:09 (two years ago) Permalink

His first three solo albums are all stunningly good, some of Liebezeit's finest ever work on them as well.

Don't sleep on the fourth, Fernwärme. Plank isn't on it and it's maybe a touch more stark than the first three but it's equally as good and Jaki Liebezeit plays great on this one as well.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 8 February 2016 04:24 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

This is doing my head in at the moment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b071c24k

He has so many adorable stories, he just sounds so lovely.

Möbius the Stripper (Branwell with an N), Monday, 29 February 2016 09:13 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

66 years old yesterday! Happy Birthday Michael!

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Sunday, 3 September 2017 12:29 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Michael Rother boxset "Solo"
The vinyl and CD boxset "Michael Rother - Solo" will be released in collaboration with Groenland Records on 22 February 2019.

The vinyl version of the boxset will contain the original and digitally remastered albums "Flammende Herzen", "Sterntaler", "Katzenmusik" and "Fernwärme" as well as the album "Soundtracks" with Michael Rother´s scores to the feature films "Houston" and "The Robbers" as well as the album "Live & Remixes" featuring two remixes for Paul Weller and the British band "Boxed In" and live recordings of the new track "Groove 139" (with Hans Lampe and Franz Bargmann) and "Drone Schlager" by his project "Hallogallo 2010" (with Steve Shelley of Sonic Youth and Aaron Mullan of "Tall Firs").

(A bit) more here, incl. a youtube of "Groove 139", which is some groovy motorik stuff (and (therefore) awesome)
http://thequietus.com/articles/25758-michael-rother-new-box-set-solo

willem, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 14:51 (one week ago) Permalink

Those records are so, so good, completely core kraut-kosmische for me (I may actually listen to Flammende Herzen more often than Neu tbh)

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:12 (one week ago) Permalink

I will totally take any of those first four Rother albums over anything else he ever did. Katzenmuzik is actually on my shortlist for favorite records ever.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:35 (one week ago) Permalink

otm - they are apex expressions of 'innigkeit'

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:56 (one week ago) Permalink

Wish I liked these records more, but I think these three Rother albums (I've never heard the fourth) are some of the silliest and least challenging albums to emerge from the whole Krautrock scene: "Sonnenrad" is lovely, yes, but every other Rother track is like a less-good version of that one ("Stromlinien," for instance, is nearly identical). Katzenmusik is one idea spread across an entire album. The brittle guitar sound on songs like "Karussell" reminds me of The Cars or something, and not in a good way. Compared to an immediate contemporary such as, say, Manuel Gottsching (whose run of albums between '77 and '79 mops the floor with anything Rother ever did, including Neu!), Rother hardly rates. Every Rother solo tune sounds like he's about to break into the melody of "Modern Love" by Bowie at any moment; every song.

Sorry, rant over. I'm still bitter about being convinced to buy those Water reissues a decade ago

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 23:26 (one week ago) Permalink

LOL totally disagree but totally love your skewering anyway

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 23:42 (one week ago) Permalink

Yes, total bollocks. Having said that, I always think the Rother albums are a bit on the bland side, a bit too nice, I prefer La Dusseldorf. I love his guitar playing though. I like Ashra too, but they're bland too.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:02 (one week ago) Permalink

although I raved about "Zyklodrom" above from memory some 14 blink-of-an-eye years back, when I listened again to Flammende Herzen the track that still did it for me was/is "Feuerland", with its smears of sound and fatigued/winded drum sound (which reminds me of JD's Closer, e.g. "Passover"). I suspect that Martin Hannett was listening closely, just as "Oasis" on Ash Ra's Correlations invents Durutti Column a year early.

Paul, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:12 (one week ago) Permalink

Every Rother solo tune sounds like he's about to break into the melody of "Modern Love" by Bowie

haha oh wow

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:25 (one week ago) Permalink

I listened to these again last night after reading the thread and agree they do sound a little enervated - like echoes of previous work, work in which he was more immanent. I do love the title track of Flammende Herzen - that and Feuerland.

Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:23 (one week ago) Permalink

"Oasis" on Ash Ra's Correlations invents Durutti Column a year early.

This is true btw.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:45 (one week ago) Permalink

Stromlinien is my favourite thing he's ever done, like a krautrock Shadows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvDmbjqPfb8

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:02 (one week ago) Permalink

idk about enervated/not immanent

the michael rother albums are 'redeemed' music, not 'struggle' music. It is their core identity to be thus. Deluxe and Neu! are at least partly struggle music.

(classic examples of redeemed music/struggle music for context: mozart/beethoven, early stravinsky/mid period stravinsky, david sylvian/scott walker, kottke/fahey)

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:07 (one week ago) Permalink

He'd definitely had a Hank Marvin thing going on.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:07 (one week ago) Permalink

early/mid stravinsky are the wrong way around in what I just typed

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:09 (one week ago) Permalink

the michael rother albums are 'redeemed' music, not 'struggle' music. It is their core identity to be thus. Deluxe and Neu! are at least partly struggle music.

I like this explanation; I need to think about it. I suppose I instinctively find the former more engaging, where the latter can seem a little programmatic.

Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:28 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah it really depends; i have music from either type that reduces me to a shuddering jelly

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:33 (one week ago) Permalink

This is the thing - I'm not against redemptive at ALL; in fact, I might prefer the strange kind of ecstacy that comes with the unburdening of struggle. An obvious point, but it's always the quality of the expression.

Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:48 (one week ago) Permalink

Digging this convo
Thanks to all, as always, for tolerating my ridiculous pronouncements

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 22:52 (one week ago) Permalink

Every Rother solo tune sounds like he's about to break into the melody of "Modern Love" by Bowie at any moment

that 3am manhattan vibe is a good thing imho. "modern love" is self-actualized/-redeemed blues -- "i know when to go out and when to stay in . . . it's not really work, it's just the power to charm" -- resonant like rother's solo stuff of the bittersweet relief/ennui of a world-class artist with nothing left to prove but still the impulse to create

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 23:30 (one week ago) Permalink

is there a particular origin for the redeemed/struggle dichotomy?

rob, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 23:49 (one week ago) Permalink

Not entirely, it’s kind of a personal fixation, but it sprang from an interview in the wire with Scott Walker shortly after tilt came out in which Sylvian comes up and, at least the way I remember it, SW contrasted his music and Sylvian’s by describing the latter’s music as coming from a “redeemed” place. Stuck in my mind. Struggle is not a great polar twin term but you see what I’m getting at.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 6 December 2018 00:24 (six days ago) Permalink

Found it tucked away quoted by a commenter on one of momus’ live journal posts:

He's much more of an ethereal merchant than I am. I'm a man who struggles with spirituality whereas he's given in to it. My album and the one before it is about struggle in a Dostoyevskian sense. It's a real fight for me in every line. Whereas he's given in to a state of grace.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 6 December 2018 00:32 (six days ago) Permalink


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