Liz Phair - POX

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It was hard to leave out some songs from Guyville ("Help Me Mary," "Never Said," "Stratford-on-Guy," "6'1," "Explain It To Me,") but I stand by all the songs that I kept.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 19 December 2003 20:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

6'1"
Fuck and Run
Divorce Song
Never Said
Chopsticks
Polyester Bride
Shitloads of Money
Little Digger
My Bionic Eyes
Rock Me

Not That Chuck, Friday, 19 December 2003 20:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Black Market White Baby Dealer
Open Season
Stratford-On-Guy
Soap Star Joe
Girls! Girls! Girls!
Supernova
Jealousy
Big Tall Man
What Makes You Happy
Shitloads of Money

maura (maura), Friday, 19 December 2003 21:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Open Season
Bomb
Divorce Song
Supernova
6'1"
Shitloads of Money
Whip-Smart
Slave
Fuck and Run
Don't Hold Yr Breath

Douglas (Douglas), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

What's "Don't Hold Yr Breath"? Is that another alternate name for one of the Girlysound tracks?

Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 19 December 2003 23:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Um, no.
Not that one, either.
Hmmm...nuh uh.
You must be kidding.
Hate it.
Oh God, this one's terrible.
Dreadful.
It's alright, but...no.
Next!
Supernova.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 19 December 2003 23:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

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Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 20 December 2003 00:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(I can't for the life of me recall a single Sh'Crow song title either)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Saturday, 20 December 2003 00:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Stratford-on-Guy
California
My Bionic Eyes
Girls' Room
Headache
Alice Springs
Mesmerizing
Fuck and Run
Whipsmart
that song off the online EP I can't remember
HONORABLE MENTION: Extraordinary

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 20 December 2003 00:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(Heheh, nor a L'Phair one, even)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Saturday, 20 December 2003 00:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Perfect World
Perfect World
Perfect World
Perfect World
Perfect World
Perfect World
Perfect World
Perfect World
Perfect World
Perfect World

Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 20 December 2003 01:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

she's coming to brooklyn to perform exile in guyville! woohoo!!

Surmounter, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 01:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

who's gonna go? my boyfriend can't go with me :( which is really sad cuz it was a big album for us in college. would be oh so romantic...

Surmounter, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 03:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

i can't FUCKING believe it sold out. i'm such an idiot...

Surmounter, Thursday, 22 May 2008 01:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

WAIT there's another show?,,,,

Surmounter, Thursday, 22 May 2008 01:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

SOLD FUCKING OUT

Surmounter, Thursday, 22 May 2008 01:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

i'm really glad you all got to experience this with me. now you know, if tickets go on sale, BUY THEM.

Surmounter, Thursday, 22 May 2008 01:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

Divorce Song
Jealousy
Go West
Soap Star Joe
Uncle Alvarez
Ride
6'1"
Whip-Smart
Help Me Mary
Fuck and Run

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 22 May 2008 01:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

oh god divorce song

Surmounter, Thursday, 22 May 2008 02:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

just kills me

Surmounter, Thursday, 22 May 2008 02:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

Shatter
Sometimes A Dream (Is What Make You A Slave)
Can't Get Out Of what I'm Into
Polyester Bride
Alice Springs
Divorce Song
Jealousy
Go West
Fuck And Run
Whip-Smart

sleeve, Thursday, 22 May 2008 02:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Divorce Song" would be my POO I think - although now I think we might have actually done that thread? It's the most complete delivery of everything Liz Phair offered in terms of ache and honesty and hating someone you once loved and all of that. Fucking amazing piece of writing, one of the best songs of all 90s rock.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 22 May 2008 04:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

So I guess take the "I think" off the "would be my POO."

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 22 May 2008 04:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

although now I think we might have actually done that thread?

Exile in Guyville, the poll

"Divorce Song" tied with "Fuck And Run." I blame the lurkers.

rogermexico., Thursday, 22 May 2008 04:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Can anyone tell me why the song "Support System" is mixed with the vocals so fucking low? It is more or less an instrumental with her mumbling in the background. And then whistling.

so pure, such an expression (Stevie D), Monday, 5 April 2010 09:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

It occurs to me that I may never listen (again) to anything she's done other than Jeremy Engle. Weird.

dlp9001, Thursday, 25 November 2010 04:12 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Wow, I wrote that without knowing about The Body Rocks. Best stuff she's been involved with since her pre-Girly Sound stuff! Have had this on repeat for hours!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg055XfRnzY

(Ok, actually "We're All Big Fans of Glands" is better, but there's no live video.)

dlp9001, Monday, 16 January 2012 20:02 (five years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

50 today

mookieproof, Monday, 17 April 2017 15:38 (three months ago) Permalink

Probably still super cute. That's my guess.

dlp9001, Monday, 17 April 2017 15:56 (three months ago) Permalink

thanks dlp

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 17 April 2017 15:57 (three months ago) Permalink

my list

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 April 2017 15:57 (three months ago) Permalink

One of the biggest musical dead-ends since I don't know what. I wonder sometimes if her tiny grasp on fame will lead people to Urge Overkill, which would be nice. Jeremy Engle is still a pretty good song.

dlp9001, Monday, 17 April 2017 16:09 (three months ago) Permalink

Man, GIS for Liz is pretty much NSFW. Did you she ever do a photo shoot where it didn't look like she was posing for Maxim?

I don't really like any of these albums (Dan Peterson), Monday, 17 April 2017 16:30 (three months ago) Permalink

50? Holy shit

calstars, Monday, 17 April 2017 23:23 (three months ago) Permalink

Seriously, she probably looks amazing. 50 isn't what it used to be.

dlp9001, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 00:30 (three months ago) Permalink

51 is still the best

nomar, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 02:58 (three months ago) Permalink

really baffled by dlp's posts itt

long dark poptart of the rodeo (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 14:32 (three months ago) Permalink

Liz Phair was treated like garbage and I wish her a very happy 50th birthday.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:23 (three months ago) Permalink

otm

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:35 (three months ago) Permalink

Liz Phair is truly an example of an artist robbed of a career due to her gender. I'm pretty sure that at 50 she's doing just fine, looks great, etc.

dlp9001, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 19:03 (three months ago) Permalink

duh!!
my display name refers to something (that i found) insulting that was said about her

when I wrote about Liz Phair she was just a weird woman in a bar.

http://music.newcity.com/2016/03/31/liz-phair-steve-albini-me-the-true-story-of-1993-the-greatest-goddamn-year-in-chicago-rock-history/

what made her weird? she was enthusiastic about her music and wanted to share it with people. ;_;

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 19:52 (three months ago) Permalink

In context it sounds like a lazy, slightly more specific way to say "random person".

Evan, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 19:56 (three months ago) Permalink

but instead the writer chose to call her a weird woman
it was a choice
Her talk was something: fast, slightly nutty, kind of winning. There was a lot of TMI, incessant and creative profanity, combative observations on the music scene and more. Some of her opinions about music cracked me up, particularly what she said about her tape. It was, she said, “a song-by-song refutation of ‘Exile on Main Street.’”

“Mm-hmm,” I thought, and put the tape in my coat pocket.

MMHMM, I thought
whatever dood

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:00 (three months ago) Permalink

it's a tiny banal example, but worth noting because he didn't choose to write "random person" -- to him, she was a weird woman in a bar who deserved a dismissive "mmhmm" even though she was witty, funny, smart, and talented

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:05 (three months ago) Permalink

and pretty

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:05 (three months ago) Permalink

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― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, December 20, 2003 12:41 AM (thirteen years ago)

funny how p much every old thread about a popular female artist includes a comment exactly like this from this dude

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:21 (three months ago) Permalink

La Lechera I hear you.

I guess when I obliviously skim read that one part I see a guy who is skeptical of the hypothetical concept of “a song-by-song refutation of ‘Exile on Main Street.”
But again I am a bit oblivious, so I'll go back and read the whole thing with what you're saying in mind.

Evan, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:55 (three months ago) Permalink

dlp what are you going to do for kicks if no one deigns to scold you

iris marduk (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 21:09 (three months ago) Permalink

She's a grown up, and presumably doing just fine. She was terrible live, which probably hurt her career. I think Barbara Manning (who's also had a 50th birthday, but didn't get an ILM shout-out) talked at some points about the looks thing. It is what it is. I like some Liz Phair songs. I like more Barbara Manning songs. I wish them both the best.

dlp9001, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 00:33 (three months ago) Permalink

And seriously, Jeremy Engle is one great song.

dlp9001, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 00:34 (three months ago) Permalink

Here's Liz doing a masterful live version of it.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=jeremy+engle+liz+phair&view=detail&mid=E81861A509ECD4C63449E81861A509ECD4C63449&FORM=VIRE

dlp9001, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 00:36 (three months ago) Permalink

i saw liz back in 2003 and she was not terrible live

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 00:41 (three months ago) Permalink

51 is still the best

― nomar, Monday, April 17, 2017 9:58 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Better than 5'2.

pplains, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 00:42 (three months ago) Permalink

She was horrible live. There's no need to lie about that. Had a lot of good songs on album, used her looks for what they were, never really knew what to do in front of an audience. Revisionist history isn't helpful.

dlp9001, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 00:48 (three months ago) Permalink

She wasn't a dynamic performer, but she was fine live.

nickn, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 00:51 (three months ago) Permalink

used her looks for what they were,

hero

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 00:52 (three months ago) Permalink

Hot White Cum.

dlp9001, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 00:53 (three months ago) Permalink

She was horrible live. There's no need to lie about that. Had a lot of good songs on album, used her looks for what they were, never really knew what to do in front of an audience. Revisionist history isn't helpful.

― dlp9001, Wednesday, April 19, 2017 12:48 AM (seven minutes ago)

you're right, i'm totally "lying" about my fond memory of a concert from 14 years ago to try to dispute some sexist idiot on the internet

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 00:57 (three months ago) Permalink

kinda weird to call an artist with a decade-plus of albums, at least one of which is considered a classic, "robbed of a career"

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 02:25 (three months ago) Permalink

Also weird to keep talking about her in the past tense

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 06:47 (three months ago) Permalink

*still waiting with bated breath for dlp to turn 51*

the rockists' red glare (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 07:40 (three months ago) Permalink

(Oh, nomar beat me to it)

the rockists' red glare (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 07:41 (three months ago) Permalink


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