can someone show me a NEW shoegaze band

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I'm glad that it seems there is an excitement about shoegaze recently. Can someone point me to a new shoegaze act? I know there have to be new bands popping up but where are they? ILM mentions M83 but their site crashes on me for some reason. Any other newbies that resurrect the great spirit would be appreciated.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Saturday, 13 December 2003 09:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Calla

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 13 December 2003 09:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Are they a google away?

cs appleby (cs appleby), Saturday, 13 December 2003 10:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Isn't everything?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 13 December 2003 10:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Fine. I'm trying to be lazy but you insist.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Saturday, 13 December 2003 10:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

sigur ros!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 13 December 2003 10:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Try epitonic for mp3s maybe. I saw them open for Firewater last week, and they struck me as rather Shoegazey. Not a Chapterhourse clone, mind you, but definitely inclined to indulge in a healthy bit of toe observation.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 13 December 2003 10:07 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i think joy zipper are supposed to be shoegazer-y. i'm reviewing their newie this weekend but i haven't managed to listen to it yet. it's only 6 songs so i can give it several listens before writing...

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 13 December 2003 10:10 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Just checked out mp3's of Calla. Ehh. Thanks Alex anyhow. I'll check epitonic next.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Saturday, 13 December 2003 10:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I thought they were pretty Ehh myself, but people were definetely into'em.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 13 December 2003 10:17 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ulrich schnauss

gaz (gaz), Saturday, 13 December 2003 10:22 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Ulrich..first search gets me to Discogs and some german site and then Warp. I'll keep on it.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Saturday, 13 December 2003 10:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

this thread sucks

Malory! Isobella! Paik! Pacific UV!

fucking Clairecords people!!!!

sort yourselves out

the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 13 December 2003 11:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the Workhouse

Schwingung (Damian), Saturday, 13 December 2003 11:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yeah!!!

the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 13 December 2003 11:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Guitar and Pluramon.

JoB (JoB), Saturday, 13 December 2003 12:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Kinski have a fair bit of the 'gaze as well, as do Bardo Pond, but both have a lot of other fish to fry in general.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 December 2003 16:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Pacific UV is like a poorman's Spiritualized, but still not bad.
Is Malory still around? Thy're good.

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 13 December 2003 17:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Peter Parkers, Mean Red Spiders and you'd probably like Readymade too.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 13 December 2003 18:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Some people really liked that Manitoba record

Sonny A. (Keiko), Saturday, 13 December 2003 18:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

my usual Marine Time Keepers mention, probably the prettiest, musically speaking, shoegazing band around today. radio dept is like a shoegazing band that writes pop songs and their new ep is wonderful.

keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 13 December 2003 18:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Guitar (that's the name of the band) has an album called "Sunkissed" that's probably up your alley.

Nom De Plume (Nom De Plume), Saturday, 13 December 2003 19:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Timonium do a kinda shoegazey/slowcore thing. "Self Evidence" is a really pretty song.

Ian Johnson (orion), Saturday, 13 December 2003 19:22 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Trouble with "shoegazer" is that it was so of-it's-time that anyone trying to re-create it - modern spin or not - end up being a complete revivalist band.

I think most bands these days that are labelled "shoegazer" would be better suited to "slowcore" or "dream-pop" labels.

Labelling is wrong.

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 13 December 2003 20:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Maybe labeling is wrong. My personal view is to call Coldplay a shoegaze act. How the fuck is calling something slow core or dream-pop going to change a thing. This is an atmospheric aesthetic. Call it whatever you want. You know when you are there.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Saturday, 13 December 2003 20:45 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

You just said the C word.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Saturday, 13 December 2003 20:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ooop..I wasn't supposed to cuss.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Saturday, 13 December 2003 22:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Maybe labeling is wrong. My personal view is to call Coldplay a shoegaze act. How the fuck is calling something slow core or dream-pop going to change a thing. This is an atmospheric aesthetic. Call it whatever you want. You know when you are there."

Coldplay have certainly been influenced by Catherine Wheel, My Bloody Valentine and other bands like that, but that's not to say they're a shoegazer band.

I guess this is a semantical debate. Shoegazer, to me, isn't about an "atmospheric aesthetic", it's much more specific than that.

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 13 December 2003 22:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks to the guy who called this a stupid thread for pointing me to Clairecords and for the shoegazer web ring.

I declare 2004 the year of the Shoegaze. I'm chinese for sake of argument. With all the discussion around here about it in the last month or so I feel Congress will agree.

A firecracker parade will follow.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Saturday, 13 December 2003 22:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.masstransfer.net

Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Saturday, 13 December 2003 22:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

MT..what should I be looking at masstransfer?

cs appleby (cs appleby), Saturday, 13 December 2003 22:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

man i was drunk last night so don't take the stupid stuff personally

this thread is good now

the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 13 December 2003 22:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

And what is the dream-pop schtick? Kylie Minogue? Current 93 doing CrowleyMass? Coil doing Tainted Love in a less cabaret-type style?

cs appleby (cs appleby), Saturday, 13 December 2003 23:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Some of Joy Zipper's stuff is shoe-gazery and some isn't. Conveniently, I have the most MBV sounding track up on my blog right now. The song is Baby You Should Know (go to the Friday 12/5 entry) and I like it a lot. Blog is www.mysticalbeast.blogspot.com and soon I'll teach myself how to post links.

dlp9001, Saturday, 13 December 2003 23:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

you'll thank me:

www.theearlies.com

the priest, Saturday, 13 December 2003 23:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Also www.melodic.com - the new compilation of 'tracks for horses' includes some mighty fine orchestrated dream pop. worth checking out.

the priest, Saturday, 13 December 2003 23:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks Priest, but if you know these guys tell em' to lengthen their clips. If you can't hear a chorus on a clip then...

I will now check out melodic.com

cs appleby (cs appleby), Saturday, 13 December 2003 23:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i think this thread shoudl be about wombedelia, not shoegazing. shoegazing just means lots of effects pedals and vague lyricism right? there is bound to be overlap into several other "genres".

keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 13 December 2003 23:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

MT..what should I be looking at masstransfer?

I would click the "Free Sample Issue" button on the side and see what happens.

This zine is run by Ryan Anderson who used to play with Fuxa back in the old Michigan space rock days. Each issue comes with a free cd comp that is mostly showgaze and space rock. If you are interested in that sound they are very worth picking up. Ryan keeps the prices dirt cheap, they cost $7.20 a piece and that covers the shipping.

If you do decide to pick up back issues I would recommend that you start with issue three and work your way forward. The first couple issues were a bit patchy but they got better with every following issue.

As far as bands go, I would recommend looking into Tristeza/The Album Leaf, Cerberus Shoal, Landing, Hinterland, and Tex La Homa. ESOJ's(the surface noise) and Ned's picks are both completely otm and I would have recommended them myself if they had not beaten me to the punch.

Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Sunday, 14 December 2003 00:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Shoegazer Revival - S/D

Nick Mirov (nick), Sunday, 14 December 2003 02:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

You might like to check out some of the cassette-only releases on the Best Kept Secret label. http://www.indiepages.com/bestkeptsecret/.

Kent Burt (lingereffect), Sunday, 14 December 2003 04:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

you'd probably like Readymade too.

Readymade isn't exactly new. They were sending out annoying promo stuff 6/7 years ago.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 14 December 2003 05:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

give me some days to digest this lot y'all.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yellow6

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Readymade's latest album, 'On Point and Red', is wonderful for this. Also, a Seattle band called The Melody Unit, who definitely take the dream-pop side, but are wonderful. Look into their 7-minute songs, 'April New Year' and 'Suite for Caesar', but really, their entire 'Choose Your Own Adventure' album.

derrick (derrick), Sunday, 14 December 2003 08:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

didnt like Yellow6 at all.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Sunday, 14 December 2003 22:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

neither do i to be honest, although a couple of their early singles are quite nice

the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 14 December 2003 22:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the Words On Music label is leaning towards the shoegaze/dreampop thing as well. they released the excellent Fiel Garvie album

the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 14 December 2003 22:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

M83 is like Air in a shoegazer poncho. Even if their site keeps crashing (it has a buggy fake DOS interface) -- c'mon, you owe it to the hypnotic nerve centers to figure something out. Their Dead Cities, Red Seas, and Lost Ghosts has hit this encroaching winter for me on all levels.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Sunday, 14 December 2003 23:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the Words On Music label is leaning towards the shoegaze/dreampop thing as well. they released the excellent Fiel Garvie album

The Meeting Places as well...reasonable enough rotegaze.

M83, now lemme tell ya, I guess I enjoyed the album the one time I heard it, but that was six months ago and I haven't felt any need to listen again.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 December 2003 23:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Jefre Cantu Ledesma has quietly become one of my favourite artists just now. That's quite a few solidly spectacular albums in a row.

boxedjoy, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:06 (one year ago) Permalink

wow, A Song of Summer is pretty incredible

ufo, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:55 (one year ago) Permalink

oh this is nice

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:19 (one year ago) Permalink

Jefre Cantu Ledesma has quietly become one of my favourite artists just now. That's quite a few solidly spectacular albums in a row.

― boxedjoy, Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:06 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Was going to say the exact same. Emphasis on 'quietly', because his work seems to fly under the radar as consistent as the great quality of it. The new one is no exception.

Shame Tarentel - his post-rock band whose 'From Bone To Satellite' is probably in my top 10 of best records ever - has been put on hold, even if it's completely different from his solo stuff.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:40 (one year ago) Permalink

more thumbs up here for the JCL

plp will eat itself (NickB), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:46 (one year ago) Permalink

danny from tarentel went on to form The Drift who are much more like the earlier Tarentel work if you like that. he also has some exceptional fahey-esque solo releases. also he's a good friend of mine so I recommend people buy his albums

also a friend formerly from SF, now in NY, Shana Falana. Here is the cat version of a video for her song Heavenstay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19kbfTTWy1E

akm, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:49 (one year ago) Permalink

danny from tarentel went on to form The Drift who are much more like the earlier Tarentel work if you like that.

You kidding? Apart from Hood (well almost) Tarentel's vinyl discog is complete at my house :) Especially the earlier stuff. Ghetto Beats was the first one that didn't really resonate with me; everything before that is fantastic.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 18:30 (one year ago) Permalink

*the only complete vinyl discog* I meant. Will def check out The Drift!

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 18:31 (one year ago) Permalink

Whole album isn't shoegazy but the title track "Glass" by UV-TV sounds good in bassy headphones:
https://youtu.be/kIr5f9yGi6c

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 22:25 (one year ago) Permalink

"You kidding? Apart from Hood (well almost) Tarentel's vinyl discog is complete at my house :) "

Richard from Hood is a friend of mine as well. I trust you've heard the Declining Winter releases? they're not shoegaze either but they are great.

akm, Thursday, 27 July 2017 00:07 (one year ago) Permalink

Good crew of friends. Yeah I love basically everything Richard and Chris did afterwards (Memory Drawings, Great Panoptique Winter, Declining Winter and obv Bracken). Unique musicians.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 27 July 2017 10:35 (one year ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wZOdRK9bXc

can anybody give me more info on this (apparently chinese) shoegaze band that soundtracks this trailer?

, Sunday, 30 July 2017 16:09 (one year ago) Permalink

okay the song appears to be the same as this one https://soundcloud.com/miniton/darling-you-saved-me-lowspirit-cover

, Sunday, 30 July 2017 16:24 (one year ago) Permalink

he's a member of Monkey Power/Self Party who i stumbled across once before

https://site.douban.com/selfparty/

no idea about 'lowspirit' though

ufo, Sunday, 30 July 2017 16:28 (one year ago) Permalink

tnx! the douban page for this guy is https://site.douban.com/modz2b/ and appears to be x-posted with the soundcloud from above

total mbv rip but i like it

, Sunday, 30 July 2017 16:31 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Japan seem to have their hands on the reins these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5urLQvn_H4

MaresNest, Monday, 25 September 2017 09:48 (one year ago) Permalink

Ambiguous idol group “· · · · · · ·” will be releasing their first single CD titled “Tokyo” , for the first time their release will distributed on a nationwide basis. · · · · · · · is a female idol group whose concept is based on various cities in Tokyo. The concept hasn’t fully been explained, perhaps to let fans and the public create their own interpretation.

· · · · · · · ‘s music follows the style shoegaze, a sub genre of alt rock that gained prominence in the United Kingdom in the late 80s and 90s.

Besides the concept, every other aspect of the group is just as mysterious. The group technically doesn’t have an official name, and each girl doesn’t have a name either. All of the members are simply referred to as “.” In videos and live performances, their eyes are covered by a cloth decoration.

Fans have dubbed the group dots, dotstokyo, tenkyuu (“nine dots”), dotnine, nakaguro (“middle dot”), tententen (“dotdotdot”) and ten-chans (“dot-chans). There is no official way to pronounce it, but their social media suggest dots.

Tokyo” actually consists of three different songs, which were then all joined together by ambient musician Hakobune. “Tokyo” will clock in at 72 minutes total and hit store shelves on August 16th, 2017. A large portion of the song will also consist of “noise music”, using sounds from live performances of each member. Barely any processing was used to create this part of the song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLI3IH3C_Y8

http://aramajapan.com/news/music/%C2%B7%C2%B7%C2%B7%C2%B7%C2%B7%C2%B7%C2%B7%C2%B7%C2%B7-is-an-enigmatic-project-that-may-hide-a-deep-meaning/74429/

MaresNest, Monday, 25 September 2017 09:50 (one year ago) Permalink

I am digging ......... a lot

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Monday, 25 September 2017 15:13 (one year ago) Permalink

Hakobune involvement also a nice touch.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 September 2017 15:26 (one year ago) Permalink

the label I'm on, Saint Marie, releases loads of this stuff. I like a lot of it.

http://www.saintmarierecords.com/

lots of reissues too like Secret Shine,Emerald Down, etc.

akm, Monday, 25 September 2017 20:25 (one year ago) Permalink

http://www.saintmarierecords.com/products/600023-miniatures-jessamines
This sounds fucking glorious, man I've been outside this world too long and languishing.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 17:41 (one year ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FizjprRwGFU

i love the hell out of this vid, song is p nice, sorta like lush vox washes with some cocteau-ey guitar moves too. that video tho.

felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 18:08 (one year ago) Permalink

Like Tetsuo: Iron Man in a lovely mood.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 18:30 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

"Drifting Inside" has a very AR Kane vibe.

The Fortnightly Intruder (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 13 October 2017 12:09 (one year ago) Permalink

Jetstream Pony
https://soundcloud.com/shauncharman

Brighton based Jetstream Pony are born out of a common love for power-pop, post punk and indie-pop, featuring Beth Arzy (Trembling Blue Stars/The Luxembourg Signal/The Fireworks) on vocals, Shaun Charman (The Wedding Present/The Popguns/The Fireworks) on guitar and backing vocals, Kerry Boettcher (Turbocat) on bass and Sara Boyle on drums. Jetstream Pony is also a lovely ex-racing greyhound, also known as Jenna.

john. a resident of chicago., Thursday, 19 October 2017 15:47 (one year ago) Permalink

New-ish, 2010 anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS_sNE6VToA

MaresNest, Monday, 30 October 2017 15:50 (one year ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Kraus, 2018.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeIHvNisosk

Bring the Paine (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 00:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

five months pass...

From that bandcamp list, i took italian band rev rev rev: des fluers.... album, and i adore the hell out of the core style happening there, dronegaze plus a hint of noize. Damn pacifier for me. The producer ~knows~ the mbv wobble so damned well, almost too well. I was not sure of durability under repeats, but its only got better for me.

Hunt3r, Sunday, 2 September 2018 21:51 (three months ago) Permalink

Also, the actual catpurr at the end of song one is the best catpurr placement imo (i’m sure theres tons of these i’ve never noticed or known of tho, because well, catpurr).

Hunt3r, Sunday, 2 September 2018 22:16 (three months ago) Permalink

Kraus, mentioned above, is awesome.

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Sunday, 2 September 2018 23:53 (three months ago) Permalink

Next on list danke!!

Hunt3r, Monday, 3 September 2018 02:06 (three months ago) Permalink

i also checked out lsd and the search for god from that bandcamp thing, and i think they are like, the most CORE shoegaze thing i've found. i love those EPs. I had to check for takes and i got:

i think "lsd and the search for god" are the most blatant mbv clone band i've ever heard

― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Monday, February 19, 2018 6:01 PM (six months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha probly true for me too?!

Hunt3r, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:31 (three months ago) Permalink

lsd and the search for god are the biggest mbv ripoff band ever, right up to taking a decade to put out a fucking ep

i liked the last couple songs on that dead horse one record. didn't necessarily need a whole album of it.

milkshake duck george bernard shaw (rushomancy), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:49 (three months ago) Permalink

i was complaining about the kraus thing that it has so little dynamism and crunch (and vox that are just not for me) that it goes into low wibble post-rock territory.

lsd folks at least have choons.

Hunt3r, Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:13 (three months ago) Permalink

Dead horse one on my list, thx.

Hunt3r, Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:18 (three months ago) Permalink

Whoa vervacious doves-ey britpope-gaze.

Hunt3r, Sunday, 9 September 2018 16:57 (three months ago) Permalink

From that bandcamp list, i took italian band rev rev rev: des fluers.... album, and i adore the hell out of the core style happening there, dronegaze plus a hint of noize. Damn pacifier for me. The producer ~knows~ the mbv wobble so damned well, almost too well. I was not sure of durability under repeats, but its only got better for me.

Yep, listening to it now

the salacious inaudible (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Saturday, 15 September 2018 19:39 (three months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Just listened to the new single from somesurprises, motorik+shoegaze is generally gonna work for me but this really sounds great.

https://open.spotify.com/track/51SrZ1zkSzwYGH0SCsyRog?si=KAtN4laKSRmVVcjPqxlwxg

https://somesurprises.bandcamp.com

JoeStork, Sunday, 30 September 2018 01:53 (two months ago) Permalink

Cant wait.... ive been listening to the surf-psych fusion of satan’s pilgrim’s _psychslpoitation_, def wanting more gaze/drone/motorik now.

Hunt3r, Sunday, 30 September 2018 02:06 (two months ago) Permalink

Love the new somesurprises. H/T to Tyler for the pointer.

that's not my post, Sunday, 30 September 2018 05:17 (two months ago) Permalink

Somesurprises is really nice- Alt is the most motorik and drone.

Hunt3r, Sunday, 30 September 2018 18:11 (two months ago) Permalink

They’re great live, not sure if they play much outside the Pacific Northwest. The guitarist/vocalist also has a day job as an immigrant-rights attorney.

JoeStork, Sunday, 30 September 2018 18:21 (two months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Not really new actually but anything from the mid-90s onwards is new shoegaze to me.

Back when I used to frequent the shoegaze forum everybody loved Malory, July Skies, Fleeting Joys and Hammock. I recently saw some of that stuff in the second hand section of a music store.

The only one I listened to years ago was Hammock and it was really nice, but there's a ton of "really nice" shoegaze (it was far more on the ambient side though) and I just wondered if you guys thought any of these stood up well in the genre.

Only thing I picked up in that second hand section was a 2 disc Hammock album.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Hammock are truly wonderful; their last ten years in particular are just one triumph after another. Never quite seem to get the full cachet they deserve on a wider front.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Shit, I'm getting mixed up with Auburn Lull. I don't actually remember if I had a Hammock album back then.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the Malory album i've heard is very good

omar little, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Re: Hammock, seek out the movie Columbus, which they scored.

Sanpaku, Saturday, 1 December 2018 12:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I’ll look for that, i like them a lot, though i map them more as guitar postrock not shoegaze.

I think the first i ever heard of them was maybe a link you did to a video of theirs, sanpaku.

but i'ma chud. i'ma weirdo. what the hell am i doing here? (Hunt3r), Saturday, 1 December 2018 19:45 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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