Lil Jon Needs To Fall Under A Truck

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So I got the compilation Crunk And Disorderly (TVT) in the mail the other day, and listened to it yesterday. And I have come to the realization that "crunk" is the worst style of rap I have ever heard, and that includes the Surf MCs.

If anyone wants to explain the appeal of these country-ass, bellowing morons, please go right ahead.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:01 (sixteen years ago) link

wait wait wait...you like DEATH METAL, right?

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:07 (sixteen years ago) link

"Some people don’t like it and can’t get their ear around it. But I’ve got my ear around it and went ‘oh OK, this is how people feel about me.’ How I feel about them dirty South people, when I couldn’t get my ear around it I realised there’s a whole load of people who listened to me and think ‘I cant get my ear around it.’ Eventually if they keep listening and listening they will. But dirty sound is just grimey, dirty music." - Wiley

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:08 (sixteen years ago) link

"country-ass"

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Lil John is pretty funny. When I first saw him on the MTV awards I thought he was a comedian poking fun at rapper excess.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Where's that quote from, Blount?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.hyperdub.com/softwar/wiley2.cfm

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm guessing phil doesn't "get" the limbo either

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link

i mean this isn't some alex in nyc style thing where i have to explain why dmx "bellowing" is no different than hank rollins or him out of killing joke (nb: i have never heard killing joke so i dunno if they bellow or not)...i mean...DEATH METAL!!

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:12 (sixteen years ago) link

But maybe he just prefers music that doesn't rock to music that does!

chuck, Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Oi! was SO much more rocking than death metal, for crissakes.

chuck, Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:13 (sixteen years ago) link

I used to not be down with crunk, but thank god for booze.

(nickalicious), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Lil John's appearance in Britney's 'I Got the Boom Boom' is also excellent. His accent on the second syllable of her name is strangely appealing and makes me laugh.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:14 (sixteen years ago) link

alex in nyc actually kinda likes lil jon in his fashion

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:14 (sixteen years ago) link

BTW Killing Joke bellow.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:15 (sixteen years ago) link

The appeal of crunk:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0340/eddy.php

chuck, Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Is it possible to "get" Li'l Jon and still think he sucks as bad as Pastor Troy?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Fuckin' A, the "dum dum dum dum dum" intro bit of "Get Low" is one of my favorite things in music this year.

nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:15 (sixteen years ago) link

("this year" = last October, apparently)

nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:15 (sixteen years ago) link

CAN I PLAY WITH YO PANTY LINE???

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:15 (sixteen years ago) link

I love DMX. Yet, I hate Lil Jon. So really, what am I missing?

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:17 (sixteen years ago) link

ALL the fun.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:18 (sixteen years ago) link

clave patterns.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:18 (sixteen years ago) link

ah skeet skeet

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:18 (sixteen years ago) link

are you listening to this by yourself or in your living room or something daft like that?

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:19 (sixteen years ago) link

The song and it's many versions live in the world THIS year. Who the hell cares when it was per se' "released to record stores"? The merengue version just came out, for crissakes. And it is FAST FAST FAST. If the link I posted above isn't enough, I also recommend reading recent Voice pieces by Carol Cooper (on Lil Jon), Frank Kogan (on Ying Yang Twins, Youngbloodz), and Chuck Eddy (licks on David Banner's screwed album, Hitman Sammmy Sam, plus a NEW all-crunk roundup including the great aforementioned *Crunk and Disordly* that'll appropriately run the week of Christmas.) On the other hand, as Frank has pointed out, Southern crunk and Scandinavian dark metal increasingly have many beautiful gothic North European melodies in common, and if I remember right, Phil's not a big fan of Scandinavian dark metal, either. So maybe that explains...something.

chuck, Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I kinda like "Get Low," no matter how crass the lyrics are.

But wait....who are the Surf MC's? The hip hop equivalent of....http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc400/c422/c4226570233.jpg ???????

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Btw, what other tunes have skeet skeet chants? A couple brass bands I saw in New Orleans were doing it, I couldn't tell if it was something they came up with or altered or what, though.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link

i mean this isn't some alex in nyc style thing where i have to explain why dmx "bellowing" is no different than hank rollins or him out of killing joke (nb: i have never heard killing joke so i dunno if they bellow or not)...i mean...DEATH METAL!!
-- fiddo centington (dubplatestyl...), December 11th, 2003.

I like all of the random, nonsensical attacks on Alex in NYC you've been spouting lately. It's like you're drunk at a dinner party.

David Allen, Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Perhaps this is a dumb question, but what differentiates crunk as a style from other kinds of rap? Is it just the macho shouted vocals?

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Jess has a personal axe to grind these days, it seems.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Chuck, you forgot Sterling Clover (Bone Crusher).

:-(

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Is Onyx's Bacdafucup proto-crunk?

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link

why, because they shout?

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:44 (sixteen years ago) link

were they fat?

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:44 (sixteen years ago) link

That's my question exactly. Does shouting have anything to do with crunk?

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link

did they have a jewel encrusted goblet?

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link

phil wanted them to fall under a truck

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Two of'em were, as I remember. The other two were slim. And they were all bald. I have that album, I'm somewhat embarassed to say.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link

closet biohazard fan?

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:46 (sixteen years ago) link

"JUST THROW YA GUNZ IN THA AIR, AND *BUK BUK* LIKE YA JUST DON'T CARE!"

etc.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:46 (sixteen years ago) link

An interesting tidbit about Bacdafucup from AMG:

"The album even beat out such stiff competition as Dr. Dre's rap classic The Chronic at the Soul Train Awards for Best Rap Album that year [1993]."

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Not really. I saw Onyx open for Public Enemy and Ice-T and House of Pain at a show at the New Ritz in 1992 that most of the bands refused to show up for due to poor promotion. I remember thinking that Onyx were pretty entertaining, so I picked up the album when it came out. Biohazard kinda ruined "Slam," actually.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:48 (sixteen years ago) link

are you listening to this by yourself or in your living room or something daft like that?

It sounds great in the living room alone too, though!

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link

"If anyone wants to explain the appeal of these country-ass, bellowing morons, please go right ahead."

i think this is the kind of question that answers itself.

does anyone know when crunk became a noun? i'd never heard it used like that until southern rap became 'big' again this year.

Adrian (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link

I thought "crunk" was an adjective that implied "crowded, happenin' and hoppin'," as in "we're the type of people who make the club get crunk".

You tell me.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:58 (sixteen years ago) link

crunk = crazy + drunk

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I always heard heard it used to mean getting high.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:00 (sixteen years ago) link

happenin and hoppin!

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:00 (sixteen years ago) link

I may be imagining this but I somehow remember a Conan O Brien skit where they were going to make up a new dirty word....and the word they came up with was "crunk"

Does anyone else remember this or am I just cr8zy?

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:06 (sixteen years ago) link

EST or PST?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 03:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Whenever Mrs. Taylor lets you out of Bio, I guess.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 03:28 (fifteen years ago) link

U Punk Bitches Are Gay If U Dont Like Lil Jon So Fuck Your Little Country Pop Shit Lil Jon Is The Shit And U Fuckers Know It

Natedogg, Friday, 23 April 2004 07:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Fuck All U Little Faggets Who Keep Talkin Shit About Lil Jon Dont Talk Shit Cause Lil Jon Can Flow Better Than Your Little Gay Country Singers

Natedogg (Natedogg), Friday, 23 April 2004 07:32 (fifteen years ago) link

muhfucker you don't know shit if your dumbass can't even figure out lil jon IS country so bite deez nutz and tell your moms i want my socks back you homophobic sonuvabitch.

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 23 April 2004 07:42 (fifteen years ago) link

gay bitch FUck U And Go Join Yo Mama And Suck A Dick Ight Bitch

Natedogg (Natedogg), Saturday, 24 April 2004 03:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Lil' Jon doesn't flow..he spins records.

PodunkNekka, Saturday, 24 April 2004 22:09 (fifteen years ago) link

"wait wait wait...you like DEATH METAL, right?"

How fucking stupid. There's a lot of great death metal. Lil Jon, however, sucks, from everything I have heard.

Confusing that terrible trash with real rap is a joke.

uh, Saturday, 24 April 2004 23:43 (fifteen years ago) link

all the crunk hataz make my lil' country self wanna cry. *sniff*

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Sunday, 25 April 2004 01:01 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah!

nick.K (nick.K), Sunday, 25 April 2004 01:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Sucks, sucks, sucks.

This is why people think rap sucks nowadays, because all they get exposed to is crap like Lil Jon, and miss out on the good shit.

Oh well.

Rob D, Sunday, 25 April 2004 01:15 (fifteen years ago) link

believing there's such thing as "real rap" is a joke

Bobby D Gray (bedhead), Sunday, 25 April 2004 18:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Yea, okay, moron.

Perhaps I shouldn't separate rap into "real" and "false", because that's fucking stupid on a "true metal/false metal" level, but if you're insinuating that there is no rap above the bottom of the barrel aesthetics of Lil Jon, then you are by and large a fucking idiot.

uh, Sunday, 25 April 2004 23:13 (fifteen years ago) link

DEATH TO FALSE METAL!

hstencil, Sunday, 25 April 2004 23:15 (fifteen years ago) link

wimps and posers leave the hall!

uh, Sunday, 25 April 2004 23:15 (fifteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
i still love the title of this thread.

but that lil jon/usher thing is kind of amazing.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 24 May 2004 07:17 (fifteen years ago) link

it does for "yeah" what "land of 1,000 dances" does for "no"

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 24 May 2004 07:20 (fifteen years ago) link

four years pass...

James Mitchell, Friday, 28 November 2008 20:43 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

SXSW News »
Lil Jon and Tori Amos to play SXSW

Lil Jon and Tori Amos will play La Zona Rosa on Thursday, March 19 as part of the Universal Republic Records showcase.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:04 (ten years ago) link

love them both :D

lex pretend, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:05 (ten years ago) link

Duet?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:06 (ten years ago) link

I thought "crunk" was an adjective that implied "crowded, happenin' and hoppin'," as in "we're the type of people who make the club get crunk".

You tell me.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:58 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

s1ocki, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:07 (ten years ago) link

just replace "and" with "ft."

lex pretend, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:08 (ten years ago) link

Never been down south? I'm Third Coast Born like C-Note. I've been getting paid on these H-Town streets since I could walk. I've rolled with Keke, Pookie, ESG, Flex, everyone. I bought the first UGK tapes out of the trunk of Pimp C's Grand Prix when they did shows at Club Venue in Corsicana. Get your mind correct, you wannabe Athens thug. I've been to Athens. I know how you bitches roll. Come to Acres Home or Cloverland if you think you're hard and you want to learn how the shells burn.

― d k, Wednesday, December 17, 2003 7:06 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

The first time I heard Lil Flip was on an episode of Fastlane. I'm fucking lame. I drove through the Midwest once, when I was a kid. I mostly remember the hotels. I saw the baseball stadium in Chicago, on the way through, just from the highway. I love expensive running shoes. I have more Radiohead CDs than UGK ones. But sometimes I just want to pretend! "Don't rap about what you saw in the Scarface movie, nigga, when you can't even spell Uzi, nigga. We live this."

― d k, Wednesday, December 17, 2003 7:09 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and what, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:15 (ten years ago) link

it's skeet skeet, not skit skit, right?

― A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, March 20, 2004 12:20 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and what, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:17 (ten years ago) link

Lil Jon and Tori Amos will play La Zona Rosa on Thursday, March 19 as part of the Universal Republic Records showcase.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:04 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

that crowd will be hilarious

its gotta be HOOSy para steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:21 (ten years ago) link

"good album but too many skeets"

eman, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:51 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

lil jon would still find a way to survive...

Ballistic, Saturday, 6 March 2010 00:06 (nine years ago) link

four years pass...

where are we discussing the "Turn Down for What" video because uhhh wow

frogbs, Monday, 17 March 2014 18:02 (five years ago) link

whoooooa

Spottie, Monday, 17 March 2014 18:08 (five years ago) link

yeah it's even crazier than the one for "Pon de Floor" (though quite similar really)

frogbs, Monday, 17 March 2014 18:41 (five years ago) link

about a week ago I heard "Turn Down For What" in the club and I turned down and left

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:36 (five years ago) link

lol

coops all on coops tbh (crüt), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:36 (five years ago) link

the whiney will not tolerate anyone badmouthing turn down for what

perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:38 (five years ago) link

If anyone wants to explain the appeal of these country-ass, bellowing morons, please go right ahead.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:01 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd say "never change" but he didn't

perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:40 (five years ago) link

is Turn Down For What considered trap? the Harlem Shake kind, not the Lex Luger kind. I think I'd have to experience it in its normal context to properly loathe it.

coops all on coops tbh (crüt), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:42 (five years ago) link

ummm, just watched the video and that was something

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:43 (five years ago) link

lil jon gave us so much joy i'm fine w/ him getting EDM money

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:45 (five years ago) link

truuu. It's not even that I don't like "Turn Down For What" (it's aight) so much as it's not the vibe I want when I'm out

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:00 (five years ago) link

yeah no i'm with you i don't think i would turn up to that song either

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:10 (five years ago) link

i would

perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:10 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

is anyone in the video really completely comfortable with the vibe either?

j., Thursday, 1 May 2014 06:39 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

very into the "turn down for what" remix

banger

lex pretend, Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:30 (five years ago) link

it is amazing to me that a metalhead like phil would hate probably the most metal-influenced mainstream rapper of the 21st century

grindie cindy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:38 (five years ago) link

Like this samples Slayer and was directly inspired by Suicidal Tendancies' "Institutionalized."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEE5_yfNbFg&feature=kp

grindie cindy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:40 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

"turn down for what" is probably my song of the year. figures jon would come in and hop on a lame trend (what do we call this, EDM?) and do it better than any of these jokers

k3vin k., Saturday, 31 May 2014 17:39 (five years ago) link

he's been doing edm guest appearances for years now

macklin' rosie (crüt), Saturday, 31 May 2014 17:43 (five years ago) link

lil Jon is seriously amazing on turn down for what

write 500 words of song (sleepingbag), Saturday, 31 May 2014 17:48 (five years ago) link

TD4W is incredible

Spottie, Saturday, 31 May 2014 20:32 (five years ago) link

five years pass...

no avoid the truck Jon pls

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Saturday, 30 November 2019 23:25 (one week ago) link


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