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So one of Oz's greatest bands up there with the go-betweens and the saints, or vacant druggie fucks. Metropolis - acoustic version - beautiful evocation or druggie fuck?

Geoff, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Up until Starfish (their utter pinacle, the quintessinal "Church" sound, combining psychedelic jangley 60s guitars with lush synth textures) they were untouchable. The early garage-psych jangle of "Of Skins and Hearts" and the lush soundscapes of "Seance", the warm perfection of "Blurred Crusade" and "Remote Luxury". They truly were one of the most criminally underrated bands of the 80s. Classic and retro, yet at the same time totally of their time and strangely forward looking. They reached their pinacle with "Starfish" (the sublime "Under The Milky Way") and then sort of faded away. "Gold Afternoon Fix" was just patchy, and then the band suffered from personal conflicts and revolving door membership.

I must, however, say, that Marty Willson-Piper is probably one of the most pretentious human beings ever to have lived. But you can't blame that on the Australians, as he's from Liverpool anyway. You get the feeling he'd have been much happier in Echo and the Bunneymen.

exile on krumkill rd, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I always felt bad for them, because the Cure ripped "Under the Milky Way", added a moronic Casio riffette and Smith's ghastly punchable whine, titled it "Love Song" and cleaned up. Bastards.

dave q, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Their last proper album, Hologram Of Baal was my favourite rock album from '98, so, yeah, classic. What I really like about The Church is the fact that they can do the psyche-out texturology thing to perfection while still making great songs (see also the Kitchens Of Distinction). In fact I'm hard-pressed to think of many better *produced* rock albums than Hologram of Baal. Also Kilbey does the whole pretentious lyricism thing but in a thankfully quite understated way - usually.

Search: Heyday, Starfish, Priest=Aura, and Hologram Of Baal are the four pivotal albums IMHO, though I've never heard Seance which everybody seems to rate highly.

Tim, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ugh, no, sorry, Heyday is a terrible album. It's like they set out to write a Great Album Of The 80s and then ruined it with all those horns. No, no, no, no. Bad Church. Oh, but the pretention of the lyrics is half of the point. Steve Kilbey is best known for some of the worst puns in rock. "Constant In Opal" oh, stop it. "Trance Ending" just cut it out. You get the feeling that he's one of those people who stares at doors for hours at a time, and if you go over and ask him why, he will turn to you with a blank expression and claim "but it says 'ENTRANCE' on it. I was being entranced."

exile on krumkill rd, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You know, the connection between "Lovesong" and "Under The Milky Way" never struck me before. Upon reflection, there are similarities in tone, but the underlying chords are sufficiently different that it sounds to me like two songwriters with similar ears wrote similar- sounding songs.

Now, "Dreams Even Here" -> "Inbetween Days" or "Just Like Heaven" - > "All The Way" is much more blatant (although probably also coincidental).

Dan Perry, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hmmm. I paid some kind of attention to The Church from the debut up to Heyday, after which I gave up. I'd rate them as perennial Div 3 material - the odd engaging track, nothing dire, but ultimately not worth the effort.

The big drawback for me is that on the earlier albums, (I can't comment post-Heyday, except to say that the later albums are in every bargain bin I've ever rummaged through), they're pretty half-hearted in everything they do - never really rocking, never really letting rip on the psyche influences, just kind of chugging along....hoping. The productions do them no favours - Blurred Crusade, and particularly Seance sound muted and dull. The debut does have energy, and Remote Luxury has the best choons.

Biggest drawback of all is the drummer, Richard Ploog. You just can't pull off what (I think) they're attempting with such a wooden, plodding beat. Ploog has no feel and no drive and plays like he's holding a cricket bat in each hand.

Dr. C, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Seance" is just beautiful, a real undiscovered gem. I like "Heydey" too, even the horns. I saw them on that tour, and was surprised how much they rocked. In the grand scheme of things, they may be a slight band, but I'll always pull those records out now and again. Ok, classic.

Sean, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I disagree with all of you. ;-) I've pretty much cornered the market on Church reviews in the AMG, so you can find more detailed thoughts there, but in brief: Heyday is great and the horns just make me think of the Teardrops anyway, not a bad thing, Ploog wasn't that bad but was replaced for some bizarre reason at points by bad drum machines on some earlier albums, The Blurred Crusade has so much energy to it at its best that I'm convinced Dr. C is on crack but hey ;-), Starfish succeeds much better as an encounter between LA studio boffins and the band's own bent than anyone might have guessed, and the recent albums have had plenty of highlights while the covers album A Box of Birds is flat out great. Oh yeah, and they can still blast through everything live and then some, Koppes in particular being the underrated guitar god. So yeah.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Two people in one day to accuse me of being on crack - first Nick Dastoor and now YOU, Ned! It must be true then.

Look, I've no idea what happened after Heyday, but on the evidence of the first 4 or 5 albums these guys are also rans, for f~@cks sake!

"The Blurred Crusade has so much energy".....

.....Then we mean different things by energy, Ned. Not that all music needs energy, but if you're attempting a kinda upbeat guitar pop- rock/psyche thing you'll be needing some. Yes indeed. Not on every track, but you'd better have some gas in the tank when needed. Some examples : "In Shreds" "This Perfect Day", "Reward", "Crocodiles". These have what I mean by energy. And decent drummers.

Dr. C, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

What, and you're saying "The Unguarded Moment" and "You Took" don't, to name two examples? ;-) I think this in part has a lot to do with Kilbey's singing style, which in its way makes things seem less immediately active than they really are. Strange but true. As for Ploog, I'm not saying he's a god among men, but he's not just sitting there.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Have you seen the video for... erm... I think it's "You Took" where all the band are playing in the middle of a forest, and Ploog is playing drums with two LOGS? I wonder if that was an underhanded comment on his playing style... (Though I do have to say, The Church were never a good band for videos. In fact, some of their most beautiful songs have been *ruined* for me by images of women in bathing suits and cloaks stalking through cartoon castles.)

Live, the Church RAWKED. This was always such a surprise, considering the gentle, textured, multi-layers of their albums. But when playing live, they became monster rock gods with blinding guitar solos. But when they ditched Richard Ploog for Jay Dee Daugherty, they didn't rock so much, so Ploog, in all his stoner glory, clearly was contributing something.

They're one of those weird bands who have had far more importance in my life, and on my friends' lives than they really should have.

exile on krumkill rd, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ned - look at my first post - I said that the debut does have energy. I had "Unguarded Moment" in mind.

Where the f@ck do you see Church videos, exile?

Dr. Crack, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

They put out a video compliation! It's called... "Jokes, Magic, Souveniers" or something like that. I just found a copy while clearing out my record collection at my mum's house, so it's quite funny that this thread popped up at the same time. Back in the 80s, when I first saw many of the videos, they were ordered specially from Australia, and then we had to have a friend with the correct zone VCR dub them to a watchable format, so I was glad when the comp was finally released (around the time of Gold Afternoon Fix) in the US. Though I warn you, the videos truly are dire. Many bands of the same era had fantastic videos (The Cure, Love & Rockets spring to mind) but The Church just never quite got the hang of it.

exile on krumkill rd, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two years pass...
Two years later, time to revive this thread! (There have actually been a couple of other threads since.) Mainly doing this because I've just finished listening to a leak of the newest album, Forget Yourself. Last year's After Everything Now This was a very fine album and the tour with it equally great, but this, man, this is good. In fact I think this could just be their best since Priest = Aura, and I'm not saying this lightly. I'll need to give it a second listen to be sure on the point, but in terms of the band now perfectly adjusting to their mode of careful exploration and restrained power rather than letting all blast free, I think they've damn well nailed it. Really something, the tour should be grand.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 05:18 (twenty years ago) link

Super! I didn't even know a new one was on the horizon. Be sure to come back with more details after listening a little longer.

(this leak -- was it via p2p?)

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 05:33 (twenty years ago) link

I'd be willing to check them out again. I still stick with my asessment of them as being slight, but a lot of life's pleasures are relatively slight.

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 06:09 (twenty years ago) link

I had the pleasure of seeing the Church a dozen or so times during their ... heydey. Purely due to geographical advantages, being from Sydney. And of the many bands I was into when I first started seeing live performances they still pay repeated listening, and god bless them, are still performing. Marty Wilson Piper recently did a residency at the Sandringham (Sando) in which is a dog kennel sized pub in Newtown, Sydney.

mentalist (mentalist), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 08:55 (twenty years ago) link

From their website:

"It has been confirmed that the album will be released in Australia on Cooking Vinyl through Shock Records in mid October. FY release date elsewhere is January 2004 in the USA (Spinart ) and UK/Europe (Cooking Vinyl), both special edition most likely with bonus disc, the delay being due to an error in the mastering/ manufacturing process. Australia won't miss out on the international special edition as there will be a unique re issue to coincide.....more to come.The Australian tour will start early November (stay tuned for venues and dates), and Europe and USA will be early 2004. HANG ON !!!!!Great things come slow !!!!!!"

But Ned, how did you manage to snag a listen? I thought "After Everything" was much better than I thought it would be, so I'm really looking forward to this one. And a tour, too? So cool.

Erick H (Erick H), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 17:11 (twenty years ago) link

Connections, that's all I can say (and it wasn't p2p).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 17:23 (twenty years ago) link

i think every woman that i know got a mix tape in 8th grade from some weenie boy with "under the milky way" on it, a concept that was so dud it was classic.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 17:40 (twenty years ago) link

My favorite Church song is "No Explanation" off Remote Luxury ... once of those blissful happy sounding songs with completely despondent heartbroken lyrics.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

i found "Unearthed" in an old shoebox a few nights back. 1987hmmm did he split from the band or something? i get the feeling people hate this album . i like it more than i imagined.

kephm, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 22:59 (twenty years ago) link

I think 1987 is when all the members started putting out solo recordings. Koppes' albums usually came out on top.

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 23:09 (twenty years ago) link

I think the band did an intentional temporary hiatus around that time, because Kilbey, Willson-Piper and Koppes all released solo debuts at that point. I like the album myself.

x-post!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 23:10 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, wait, you liked Koppes' the best? Wow, that's a minority opinion! Willson-Piper's are generally my fave.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

(just put it on again) tyrant and judgement day have george w all over them

kephm, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 23:37 (twenty years ago) link

The Church has a new song out? My childhood calls, and I'm praying it doesn't scream "rehash of warmed-over synths"

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 23:56 (twenty years ago) link

Willson-Piper's songs within the confines of The Church are usually great, but left to his own devices I find he loses focus. Koppes is more restrained both with the band and solo and that makes repeated listening an easier task.

Kilbey's somewhere in the middle.

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Thursday, 11 September 2003 00:38 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, "After Everything" was their best album since "Priest=Aura", so I'm interested to hear the new one. The title track was in my Top 5 of 2002.

blutroniq (blutroniq), Thursday, 11 September 2003 01:18 (twenty years ago) link

They are one of the most consistently good bands I can think of, so I bet it will be a pretty great album.

As for S&D I actually (contradicting my above statement a bit) Don't like Starfish nearly as much as Heyday or also Remote Luxury (which I feel are the 2 best). This was one of the first bands I got into when I started listening to music. They have such a nostalgia for me, and thier sound only encourages this.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 11 September 2003 01:35 (twenty years ago) link

I've been listening to Forget Yourself for the past week and I can't think of many other bands (maybe The Cure) that 20 years into their career puts out an album as inscrutable as this. No one track has grabbed me in the same way that "Numbers" did, but as a whole the album is one big sprawling splat of brooding ruminations. Can't listen to it as a collection of songs, but as a linear piece. It reminds me more of T.Rex than anything else and I mean that in the best possible ways.

Best since Priest = Aura. And P=A is my fave album of theirs.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 11 September 2003 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

Chris and Ned are taunting us, and I don't like it one bit.

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Thursday, 11 September 2003 03:38 (twenty years ago) link

These guys are my brother's favorite band. I think they're like a wannabe Chameleons and pretty boring. Their only album I've heard of 4 or 5, that I think is more than so-so is Starfish- but their best of "Almost Yesterday" is 1/2 decent and 1/2 absolutely classic. Well, thanks because this is good stuff to pass on to him.

sucka (sucka), Thursday, 11 September 2003 04:36 (twenty years ago) link

a wannabe Chameleons

As a Chameleons hyperfanatic, I see the point of comparison, but really I think they're two different bands with a slew of shared core influences in common, nothing more.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 September 2003 04:59 (twenty years ago) link

Most of the Church's pre-Starfish albums are their best. Starfish is more or less where the rest of the world discovered them courteousy of Under The Milky Way. The Blurred Crusade is my personal fave, one of those rare beasts that you can play from woe to gowithout pressing the skip button once.

mentalist (mentalist), Thursday, 11 September 2003 05:00 (twenty years ago) link

This isn't usually the case, but The Church's most popular album, Starfish, is actually my favorite. I usually dig it out every October and listen to it habitually for a couple weeks. At first, this practice was just a cyclic coincidence, but has since become a planned ritual...I may start early this year.

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Thursday, 11 September 2003 05:10 (twenty years ago) link

Hologram of Baal is both my favourite of theirs and was, at the time at least, my favourite album from '98. But for some reason I never got the follow-up, as if one that album everything i wanted to get from The Church had been satiated. Was I mistaken? Will I like this new one if that's my point of reference? (I love Priest=Aura too).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 11 September 2003 06:35 (twenty years ago) link

Knowing your current loves, Tim, I'm of two minds -- you might find this mere frosting on the cake in some cases, but I honestly think this really is a particular step up, at least in terms of rearranging and reinterpreting their own passions and approach in a (for them) strong new way. Even if the follow up (I assume you mean After Everything rather than the covers album) didn't work for you as much, at least give this one a listen.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 September 2003 14:51 (twenty years ago) link

Can't wait to hear this new one! Going to dig up Kilbey's "Remindlessness" tonite and play it.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 11 September 2003 15:05 (twenty years ago) link

[Box of Birds] is the sleeper in the Church catalog. Remedies both the energy crisis that slowly overtook them and their collective inability to write catachphrases.

Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Thursday, 11 September 2003 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

six months pass...
Time to revive a bit, as the US tour is on and "Telepath" from Forget Yourself is so spectacularly good it hurts.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:50 (twenty years ago) link

Search: "The Unguarded Moment", the GREATEST! INTRO! GUITAR! RIFF! EVER!!!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:56 (twenty years ago) link

And wasn't it all mostly improvised off of jams?

I wasn't very impressed to see them live. I mean it was interesting and all but they were doing a partly acoustic set and the recordings are soo much better. Maybe if I see them do a full electric set it'll be better.

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:57 (twenty years ago) link

(x-post)

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:57 (twenty years ago) link

Was this recently, A? Because the last few times I've seen them it's all been electric to my knowledge. The report of the Saturday night show was megasprawling electric stoned weirdness, which I'm all for.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 03:00 (twenty years ago) link

it was just after the release of after everything now this

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 03:03 (twenty years ago) link

Blurred Crusade must be the greatest album released by any Australian band. Or maybe just the most influential.

mentalist (mentalist), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 04:04 (twenty years ago) link

neither, but it's good

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 05:29 (twenty years ago) link

for all his way with a tune, i have a low opinion of kilbey's lyrical "skills"

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 05:30 (twenty years ago) link

yeah I saw them on that tour and the band was dece tbf

least said, sergio mendes (sic), Sunday, 26 February 2023 18:57 (one year ago) link

Hey c’mon, he replaced them with the guitarists from two of the most boring bands of the ‘90s

Bores of the new Church

Man, I had a tape of a show from the Starfish tour — I think it was even a King Biscuit Flower Hour or some such, I taped it from the radio — it was fantastic and I've never found it on the internet.

I was a big fan but didn't really follow them in the later years. But then they came through my hometown a couple years ago (last tour with Koppes I think) playing Starfish and then lots of later stuff and I was totally blown away.

three of the doctor's valuable bats are now dead (broom air), Monday, 27 February 2023 17:28 (one year ago) link

I had a cassette of a Westwood One recording from that era, it was only about 40 mins long, as it was shared with another band (can't recall who), but it was fantastic.

MaresNest, Monday, 27 February 2023 17:45 (one year ago) link

Yes! That's the one I'm thinking of. Aside from its being great, I just remember that it was heavy on the Starfish cuts and ended with Hotel Womb. Would be great if it turned up somewhere.

three of the doctor's valuable bats are now dead (broom air), Monday, 27 February 2023 21:38 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

So delayed reaction here but The Hypnogogue has ended up sinking in with me -- it took a couple more plays but it's its own enjoyably moody listen. Meantime the show this past Tuesday was way better than I would have hoped for. Wrote up a lot of thoughts for the weekly Patreon:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/some-weekly-70-80117464

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 March 2023 18:22 (one year ago) link

Whoa, Steve Kilbey is 68? Looking at his bio, I guess he was already 27 when they released their first album.

I've made a mix of the songs they're playing on this tour to study up for my first time seeing them live, and it's really striking how consistent they are across the decades. The songs from The Hypnogogue sit quite comfortably next to the songs from Seance, with just a few 80's production signifiers to distinguish them.

enochroot, Friday, 17 March 2023 19:29 (one year ago) link

Whoa, Steve Kilbey is 68?

It's crazy to realize it but totally true! And you're correct about the consistency but it's not a flaw in the slightest, more just a real continuum, and you can sense the difference between eras easily enough -- the turn towards crypto-prog in the late 90s on was exactly what they needed.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 March 2023 19:32 (one year ago) link

I'm seeing the Denver show tomorrow. My first time. Super stoked!

I can't tell if he's trolling or not (ilxor), Monday, 20 March 2023 18:16 (one year ago) link

Saw them in Cambridge MA last night, 68 year old Steve was funny, charming and played for 2.5 hours!!

"We're *obliged* to play this song for you" he said before going into "Under The Milky Way".

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 1 April 2023 15:37 (one year ago) link

Yeah, Kilbey was may more of a stage presence than I was expected. My favorite moment was when someone correctly guessed the name of the song they were about to play next, and he replied, with mock wonder, "that's a great idea... you just changed the trajectory of this whole fucking gig!"

He's apparently also still bitter about a 2-star review from Rolling Stone from 30 years ago.

My partner (who never listened to the Church) pointed out that without any nostalgia bump, the show was pretty unremarkable. But that's kinda true for most touring bands of this vintage.

enochroot, Sunday, 2 April 2023 15:32 (one year ago) link

saw them the other week too, and my dubiousness upthread about adding an uninspired '60s pastichist certainly played out in unremarkability; they played well (and Kilbey was having a great time wrt banter) but especially with two other guitarists now, Koppes' departure could have been a chance to get in someone who would reshape the old songs, or have a more idiosyncratic approach to the prog aspect of the group. call up, idk, Buckethead, or Kirin J Callinan.

also guessing that few other US gigs had as big a cheer when they announced the home of the touring drummer.

least said, sergio mendes (sic), Sunday, 2 April 2023 17:44 (one year ago) link

"sic otm" - Steve Kilbey

If you were the manager of a football team, would you rather have a team full of absolute stars who cooperate or would you rather have a team of guys who perhaps weren’t so absolutely starry but they were more interested in the teamwork idea. That’s how I feel with Jeffrey in the band and Ash in the band.

least said, sergio mendes (sic), Sunday, 2 April 2023 18:00 (one year ago) link

That’s a good interview :) Thanks for the link!

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 2 April 2023 18:26 (one year ago) link

Agreed, that is a really, really good interview. Probably the most forthcoming I've ever seen Kilbey be. It's interesting to hear that he allowed the band to operate as a democracy during the recording of Man Woman Life Death Infinity, and that he believes that's why the album is so mediocre.

Vast Halo, Sunday, 2 April 2023 18:39 (one year ago) link

xxp That two star review of Priest=Aura was not one of Ira's better efforts

sawdust lagoon, Sunday, 2 April 2023 18:40 (one year ago) link

Love SK declaring his love of Prog :)

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 2 April 2023 19:27 (one year ago) link

I hope folks have this: https://stevekilbey.bandcamp.com/album/space-bootleg

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 3 April 2023 06:34 (one year ago) link

My partner (who never listened to the Church) pointed out that without any nostalgia bump, the show was pretty unremarkable. But that's kinda true for most touring bands of this vintage.

― enochroot, Sunday, April 2, 2023 10:32 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I saw them at an outdoor fest in LA and had the opposite instinct -- they seemed like one of the 'aged-best' bands for n00bs in the whole festival lineup, stuff really connected well in that setting maybe

xheugy eddy (D-40), Monday, 3 April 2023 06:57 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

i delivered food to this band last night! they were playing at the venue attached to my workplace and i caught a tiny bit of the show. Hotel Womb sounded great, ngl, but I do think they might sound like "generic rock band" if you are not already on board with the whole thing/a fan already (which fortunately i am so i enjoyed it)
I smiled at Steve K but did not talk with him. On my way out, the show was still going and he thanked a person who he said has bankrolled their last 4 albums and supported their last few tours? And that person was in the room? I have no idea what that's all about but it was news to me.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:16 (five months ago) link

also their fog machine set off the smoke alarm the night before and everyone had to evacuate lol. total Spinal Tap moment :)

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:18 (five months ago) link

I had been listening to solo SK albums in preparation of this and really had no idea how influential Unearthed/Earthed was for me. when i got both albums in hs i was perplexed by Earthed but now it sounds SO good.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 2 November 2023 16:23 (five months ago) link

We were at last night's show LL, sorry we missed you! They were heavier than expected and I thought the band was great. "Metropolis" is still a lovely song, even if it seemed like they kinda just wanted to get it over with. "Grind" and "Tantalized" were highlights for me. "You Took" was fantastic -- from smouldering to scorching and back. Watching Kilbey's fingers keep pace as the band kept speeding up was fun. His voice sounded great, too. I even liked a couple of songs from the new concept (!) album. Wouldn't have gone had it not been so close to home, but we left glad we went.

It was the last night of the tour and Kilbey thanked everyone for coming out saying "This may be the last time, who knows? I'm turning...40 next year"!

> total Spinal Tap moment :)

I kept thinking the guitarist stage right somehow looked like both Nigel Tufnel *and* David St. Hubbins

j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Thursday, 2 November 2023 17:53 (five months ago) link

Yeah I've heard about this guy who apparently bankrolls a lot of their stuff. Like some huge fan who is also a high-flying dentist or something? Elvis Telecom may know more.

Also, did anyone grab that tour only release and can they share a rip, please.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 November 2023 17:55 (five months ago) link

that's so cool LL! I'm sure if MWP had been there you would have said hello... I saw them in Austin last week, but they played an abbreviated set because it was part of a festival so I didn't get to hear Metropolis or Kings, cry cry cry. Still, they sounded great and I still heard a few deep cuts (An Interlude and Hotel Womb the latter I guess they play all the time but I really wanted to hear it)

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Thursday, 2 November 2023 18:04 (five months ago) link

I was at the Tuesday night show. The band sounded great, particularly on "Tantalized", but yeah, some distinct Spinal Tap vibes with Nigel Tufnel on guitar and SK taking time on multiple occasions to explain the extremely convoluted plot of The Hypnagogue to the small crowded of mostly-seated attendees.

Andy Fox, Thursday, 2 November 2023 20:28 (five months ago) link

@ john -- wish i had known you were there! we were busy though and if you weren't in my section i probably didn't see you. agree about the heaviness -- one of the things i love most about this band! they are both transporting and grounding at the same time, pure magic. i think i caught an instrumental part of "Grind" and I was proud of myself for recognizing it without any vocals

@ f hazel -- yes, i absolutely would have debased myself to say hello to MWP. i was about to interrupt SK but it was a meet & greet thing and people had paid for their access and i didn't want to misuse my immense privilege of carrying their salads and pizzas back to the green room lol. i also did mention MWP to several of my tables to demonstrate that i am a trve head lol

@Andy - one of my tables told me they read the book and it was "better than they expected" but that he should stick to writing songs, which we all agreed he is very skilled at

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 2 November 2023 20:53 (five months ago) link

v curious about this loaded dentist!!

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 2 November 2023 20:54 (five months ago) link

three weeks pass...

I've certainly been skeptical of the loss of Koppes and MWP, but it is Steve's band after all.

Actually, the current lineup is playing very well - even or maybe especially on the older stuff. Seattle show had maybe the best performance of Grind that I recall seeing in person. And as much as I think Powles helped hold things together through some rough years, I think the change in drummer has paid off on this tour. (But I swear I've yet to hear Haug play MWP's part on Reptile w/o fucking up the riff at least once per performance...)

New tour-only EP is decent enough.

Have also heard the dentist rumor. Maybe on this board some time back.

Edward Bax, Sunday, 26 November 2023 07:47 (four months ago) link

Dartmouth business professor Kevin Keller (who has a very popular textbook) was "executive producer" for some recent Church albums, which is mentioned in his textbook bio. Guessing that means he partly financed them and advised on marketing.

theo, Sunday, 26 November 2023 19:58 (four months ago) link

first gay in Archie comics, ILX poster, business professor and Steve Kilbey investor

bae (sic), Sunday, 26 November 2023 20:27 (four months ago) link

Some lovely memories here, also confirms it was due to a stroke suffered two days ago in Prague.

https://www.facebook.com/luca.signorelli.33/posts/10230859418609528

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 26 November 2023 20:34 (four months ago) link

Whoops wrong thread! That sadly was for the Killing Joke thread.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 26 November 2023 20:37 (four months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXBasxt6FYo

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 22:32 (four months ago) link

(just posted today)

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 22:32 (four months ago) link

Awesome

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 23:10 (four months ago) link

Really great!

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 23:48 (four months ago) link

was present for this radio session. really excellent. I nice follow-up to the show the night before. hoping audio surfaces of the pre-session warmup (video is very unlikely).

Edward Bax, Saturday, 9 December 2023 08:09 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

US tour dates on the way. Also Eros Zeta... is getting a full-release
https://www.thechurchband.com

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:37 (two months ago) link

Well that's good, I'm still a bit sore they didn't have it with their merch at Hardly Strictly!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:55 (two months ago) link

This last December my dad ran into Steve Kilbey at the local post office in our small regional little surf town. He's a massive fan, said g'day, and ended up scoring some free tickets for a solo acoustic gig that night.

Apparently Steve was a really lovely bloke to chat with and the gig was fantastic. My dad has been a fan his whole life; a very lucky encounter

H.P, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 23:03 (two months ago) link

That's great! Love stuff like that.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 February 2024 00:34 (two months ago) link

Looks like they are touring with the Afghan Whigs here?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 February 2024 13:55 (two months ago) link

Huge Church spree the last couple of weeks here. The post-stardom stuff has really opened up to me now.

realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Friday, 9 February 2024 03:49 (two months ago) link

I remember feeling let down in the "Box of Birds" era but I love how the new stuff sounds, and that KEXP recording up thread is fantastic. Sorry I missed the tour.

fajita seas, Friday, 9 February 2024 21:13 (two months ago) link

Man, you didn't like that era? I saw the tour for that very album and it pretty well killed.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 February 2024 21:15 (two months ago) link

they may not have hit the highest of highs but can't think of another band so consistently great from their debut 20+ albums into it

live they remain a FORCE

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 9 February 2024 21:32 (two months ago) link

yeah I'm mad their set last year in Austin was abbreviated so I'm definitely seeing them on this tour

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Friday, 9 February 2024 23:34 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

new one is my fav since untitled 23. great title too

ciderpress, Friday, 29 March 2024 18:10 (two weeks ago) link


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