The Church - C or D/S&D/CB&TT

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So one of Oz's greatest bands up there with the go-betweens and the saints, or vacant druggie fucks. Metropolis - acoustic version - beautiful evocation or druggie fuck?

Geoff, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Up until Starfish (their utter pinacle, the quintessinal "Church" sound, combining psychedelic jangley 60s guitars with lush synth textures) they were untouchable. The early garage-psych jangle of "Of Skins and Hearts" and the lush soundscapes of "Seance", the warm perfection of "Blurred Crusade" and "Remote Luxury". They truly were one of the most criminally underrated bands of the 80s. Classic and retro, yet at the same time totally of their time and strangely forward looking. They reached their pinacle with "Starfish" (the sublime "Under The Milky Way") and then sort of faded away. "Gold Afternoon Fix" was just patchy, and then the band suffered from personal conflicts and revolving door membership.

I must, however, say, that Marty Willson-Piper is probably one of the most pretentious human beings ever to have lived. But you can't blame that on the Australians, as he's from Liverpool anyway. You get the feeling he'd have been much happier in Echo and the Bunneymen.

exile on krumkill rd, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I always felt bad for them, because the Cure ripped "Under the Milky Way", added a moronic Casio riffette and Smith's ghastly punchable whine, titled it "Love Song" and cleaned up. Bastards.

dave q, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Their last proper album, Hologram Of Baal was my favourite rock album from '98, so, yeah, classic. What I really like about The Church is the fact that they can do the psyche-out texturology thing to perfection while still making great songs (see also the Kitchens Of Distinction). In fact I'm hard-pressed to think of many better *produced* rock albums than Hologram of Baal. Also Kilbey does the whole pretentious lyricism thing but in a thankfully quite understated way - usually.

Search: Heyday, Starfish, Priest=Aura, and Hologram Of Baal are the four pivotal albums IMHO, though I've never heard Seance which everybody seems to rate highly.

Tim, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ugh, no, sorry, Heyday is a terrible album. It's like they set out to write a Great Album Of The 80s and then ruined it with all those horns. No, no, no, no. Bad Church. Oh, but the pretention of the lyrics is half of the point. Steve Kilbey is best known for some of the worst puns in rock. "Constant In Opal" oh, stop it. "Trance Ending" just cut it out. You get the feeling that he's one of those people who stares at doors for hours at a time, and if you go over and ask him why, he will turn to you with a blank expression and claim "but it says 'ENTRANCE' on it. I was being entranced."

exile on krumkill rd, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

You know, the connection between "Lovesong" and "Under The Milky Way" never struck me before. Upon reflection, there are similarities in tone, but the underlying chords are sufficiently different that it sounds to me like two songwriters with similar ears wrote similar- sounding songs.

Now, "Dreams Even Here" -> "Inbetween Days" or "Just Like Heaven" - > "All The Way" is much more blatant (although probably also coincidental).

Dan Perry, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmmm. I paid some kind of attention to The Church from the debut up to Heyday, after which I gave up. I'd rate them as perennial Div 3 material - the odd engaging track, nothing dire, but ultimately not worth the effort.

The big drawback for me is that on the earlier albums, (I can't comment post-Heyday, except to say that the later albums are in every bargain bin I've ever rummaged through), they're pretty half-hearted in everything they do - never really rocking, never really letting rip on the psyche influences, just kind of chugging along....hoping. The productions do them no favours - Blurred Crusade, and particularly Seance sound muted and dull. The debut does have energy, and Remote Luxury has the best choons.

Biggest drawback of all is the drummer, Richard Ploog. You just can't pull off what (I think) they're attempting with such a wooden, plodding beat. Ploog has no feel and no drive and plays like he's holding a cricket bat in each hand.

Dr. C, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Seance" is just beautiful, a real undiscovered gem. I like "Heydey" too, even the horns. I saw them on that tour, and was surprised how much they rocked. In the grand scheme of things, they may be a slight band, but I'll always pull those records out now and again. Ok, classic.

Sean, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I disagree with all of you. ;-) I've pretty much cornered the market on Church reviews in the AMG, so you can find more detailed thoughts there, but in brief: Heyday is great and the horns just make me think of the Teardrops anyway, not a bad thing, Ploog wasn't that bad but was replaced for some bizarre reason at points by bad drum machines on some earlier albums, The Blurred Crusade has so much energy to it at its best that I'm convinced Dr. C is on crack but hey ;-), Starfish succeeds much better as an encounter between LA studio boffins and the band's own bent than anyone might have guessed, and the recent albums have had plenty of highlights while the covers album A Box of Birds is flat out great. Oh yeah, and they can still blast through everything live and then some, Koppes in particular being the underrated guitar god. So yeah.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Two people in one day to accuse me of being on crack - first Nick Dastoor and now YOU, Ned! It must be true then.

Look, I've no idea what happened after Heyday, but on the evidence of the first 4 or 5 albums these guys are also rans, for f~@cks sake!

"The Blurred Crusade has so much energy".....

.....Then we mean different things by energy, Ned. Not that all music needs energy, but if you're attempting a kinda upbeat guitar pop- rock/psyche thing you'll be needing some. Yes indeed. Not on every track, but you'd better have some gas in the tank when needed. Some examples : "In Shreds" "This Perfect Day", "Reward", "Crocodiles". These have what I mean by energy. And decent drummers.

Dr. C, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What, and you're saying "The Unguarded Moment" and "You Took" don't, to name two examples? ;-) I think this in part has a lot to do with Kilbey's singing style, which in its way makes things seem less immediately active than they really are. Strange but true. As for Ploog, I'm not saying he's a god among men, but he's not just sitting there.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Have you seen the video for... erm... I think it's "You Took" where all the band are playing in the middle of a forest, and Ploog is playing drums with two LOGS? I wonder if that was an underhanded comment on his playing style... (Though I do have to say, The Church were never a good band for videos. In fact, some of their most beautiful songs have been *ruined* for me by images of women in bathing suits and cloaks stalking through cartoon castles.)

Live, the Church RAWKED. This was always such a surprise, considering the gentle, textured, multi-layers of their albums. But when playing live, they became monster rock gods with blinding guitar solos. But when they ditched Richard Ploog for Jay Dee Daugherty, they didn't rock so much, so Ploog, in all his stoner glory, clearly was contributing something.

They're one of those weird bands who have had far more importance in my life, and on my friends' lives than they really should have.

exile on krumkill rd, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ned - look at my first post - I said that the debut does have energy. I had "Unguarded Moment" in mind.

Where the f@ck do you see Church videos, exile?

Dr. Crack, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

They put out a video compliation! It's called... "Jokes, Magic, Souveniers" or something like that. I just found a copy while clearing out my record collection at my mum's house, so it's quite funny that this thread popped up at the same time. Back in the 80s, when I first saw many of the videos, they were ordered specially from Australia, and then we had to have a friend with the correct zone VCR dub them to a watchable format, so I was glad when the comp was finally released (around the time of Gold Afternoon Fix) in the US. Though I warn you, the videos truly are dire. Many bands of the same era had fantastic videos (The Cure, Love & Rockets spring to mind) but The Church just never quite got the hang of it.

exile on krumkill rd, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...
Two years later, time to revive this thread! (There have actually been a couple of other threads since.) Mainly doing this because I've just finished listening to a leak of the newest album, Forget Yourself. Last year's After Everything Now This was a very fine album and the tour with it equally great, but this, man, this is good. In fact I think this could just be their best since Priest = Aura, and I'm not saying this lightly. I'll need to give it a second listen to be sure on the point, but in terms of the band now perfectly adjusting to their mode of careful exploration and restrained power rather than letting all blast free, I think they've damn well nailed it. Really something, the tour should be grand.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 05:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Super! I didn't even know a new one was on the horizon. Be sure to come back with more details after listening a little longer.

(this leak -- was it via p2p?)

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 05:33 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd be willing to check them out again. I still stick with my asessment of them as being slight, but a lot of life's pleasures are relatively slight.

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 06:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I had the pleasure of seeing the Church a dozen or so times during their ... heydey. Purely due to geographical advantages, being from Sydney. And of the many bands I was into when I first started seeing live performances they still pay repeated listening, and god bless them, are still performing. Marty Wilson Piper recently did a residency at the Sandringham (Sando) in which is a dog kennel sized pub in Newtown, Sydney.

mentalist (mentalist), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 08:55 (sixteen years ago) link

From their website:

"It has been confirmed that the album will be released in Australia on Cooking Vinyl through Shock Records in mid October. FY release date elsewhere is January 2004 in the USA (Spinart ) and UK/Europe (Cooking Vinyl), both special edition most likely with bonus disc, the delay being due to an error in the mastering/ manufacturing process. Australia won't miss out on the international special edition as there will be a unique re issue to coincide.....more to come.The Australian tour will start early November (stay tuned for venues and dates), and Europe and USA will be early 2004. HANG ON !!!!!Great things come slow !!!!!!"

But Ned, how did you manage to snag a listen? I thought "After Everything" was much better than I thought it would be, so I'm really looking forward to this one. And a tour, too? So cool.

Erick H (Erick H), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 17:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Connections, that's all I can say (and it wasn't p2p).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link

i think every woman that i know got a mix tape in 8th grade from some weenie boy with "under the milky way" on it, a concept that was so dud it was classic.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 17:40 (sixteen years ago) link

My favorite Church song is "No Explanation" off Remote Luxury ... once of those blissful happy sounding songs with completely despondent heartbroken lyrics.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link

i found "Unearthed" in an old shoebox a few nights back. 1987hmmm did he split from the band or something? i get the feeling people hate this album . i like it more than i imagined.

kephm, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I think 1987 is when all the members started putting out solo recordings. Koppes' albums usually came out on top.

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 23:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I think the band did an intentional temporary hiatus around that time, because Kilbey, Willson-Piper and Koppes all released solo debuts at that point. I like the album myself.

x-post!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 23:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Actually, wait, you liked Koppes' the best? Wow, that's a minority opinion! Willson-Piper's are generally my fave.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 23:15 (sixteen years ago) link

(just put it on again) tyrant and judgement day have george w all over them

kephm, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 23:37 (sixteen years ago) link

The Church has a new song out? My childhood calls, and I'm praying it doesn't scream "rehash of warmed-over synths"

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 23:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Willson-Piper's songs within the confines of The Church are usually great, but left to his own devices I find he loses focus. Koppes is more restrained both with the band and solo and that makes repeated listening an easier task.

Kilbey's somewhere in the middle.

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Thursday, 11 September 2003 00:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, "After Everything" was their best album since "Priest=Aura", so I'm interested to hear the new one. The title track was in my Top 5 of 2002.

blutroniq (blutroniq), Thursday, 11 September 2003 01:18 (sixteen years ago) link

They are one of the most consistently good bands I can think of, so I bet it will be a pretty great album.

As for S&D I actually (contradicting my above statement a bit) Don't like Starfish nearly as much as Heyday or also Remote Luxury (which I feel are the 2 best). This was one of the first bands I got into when I started listening to music. They have such a nostalgia for me, and thier sound only encourages this.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 11 September 2003 01:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I've been listening to Forget Yourself for the past week and I can't think of many other bands (maybe The Cure) that 20 years into their career puts out an album as inscrutable as this. No one track has grabbed me in the same way that "Numbers" did, but as a whole the album is one big sprawling splat of brooding ruminations. Can't listen to it as a collection of songs, but as a linear piece. It reminds me more of T.Rex than anything else and I mean that in the best possible ways.

Best since Priest = Aura. And P=A is my fave album of theirs.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 11 September 2003 03:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Chris and Ned are taunting us, and I don't like it one bit.

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Thursday, 11 September 2003 03:38 (sixteen years ago) link

These guys are my brother's favorite band. I think they're like a wannabe Chameleons and pretty boring. Their only album I've heard of 4 or 5, that I think is more than so-so is Starfish- but their best of "Almost Yesterday" is 1/2 decent and 1/2 absolutely classic. Well, thanks because this is good stuff to pass on to him.

sucka (sucka), Thursday, 11 September 2003 04:36 (sixteen years ago) link

a wannabe Chameleons

As a Chameleons hyperfanatic, I see the point of comparison, but really I think they're two different bands with a slew of shared core influences in common, nothing more.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 September 2003 04:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Most of the Church's pre-Starfish albums are their best. Starfish is more or less where the rest of the world discovered them courteousy of Under The Milky Way. The Blurred Crusade is my personal fave, one of those rare beasts that you can play from woe to gowithout pressing the skip button once.

mentalist (mentalist), Thursday, 11 September 2003 05:00 (sixteen years ago) link

This isn't usually the case, but The Church's most popular album, Starfish, is actually my favorite. I usually dig it out every October and listen to it habitually for a couple weeks. At first, this practice was just a cyclic coincidence, but has since become a planned ritual...I may start early this year.

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Thursday, 11 September 2003 05:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Hologram of Baal is both my favourite of theirs and was, at the time at least, my favourite album from '98. But for some reason I never got the follow-up, as if one that album everything i wanted to get from The Church had been satiated. Was I mistaken? Will I like this new one if that's my point of reference? (I love Priest=Aura too).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 11 September 2003 06:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Knowing your current loves, Tim, I'm of two minds -- you might find this mere frosting on the cake in some cases, but I honestly think this really is a particular step up, at least in terms of rearranging and reinterpreting their own passions and approach in a (for them) strong new way. Even if the follow up (I assume you mean After Everything rather than the covers album) didn't work for you as much, at least give this one a listen.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 September 2003 14:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Can't wait to hear this new one! Going to dig up Kilbey's "Remindlessness" tonite and play it.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 11 September 2003 15:05 (sixteen years ago) link

[Box of Birds] is the sleeper in the Church catalog. Remedies both the energy crisis that slowly overtook them and their collective inability to write catachphrases.

Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Thursday, 11 September 2003 17:13 (sixteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Time to revive a bit, as the US tour is on and "Telepath" from Forget Yourself is so spectacularly good it hurts.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Search: "The Unguarded Moment", the GREATEST! INTRO! GUITAR! RIFF! EVER!!!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:56 (fifteen years ago) link

And wasn't it all mostly improvised off of jams?

I wasn't very impressed to see them live. I mean it was interesting and all but they were doing a partly acoustic set and the recordings are soo much better. Maybe if I see them do a full electric set it'll be better.

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:57 (fifteen years ago) link

(x-post)

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Was this recently, A? Because the last few times I've seen them it's all been electric to my knowledge. The report of the Saturday night show was megasprawling electric stoned weirdness, which I'm all for.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 03:00 (fifteen years ago) link

it was just after the release of after everything now this

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 03:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Blurred Crusade must be the greatest album released by any Australian band. Or maybe just the most influential.

mentalist (mentalist), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 04:04 (fifteen years ago) link

neither, but it's good

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 05:29 (fifteen years ago) link

for all his way with a tune, i have a low opinion of kilbey's lyrical "skills"

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 05:30 (fifteen years ago) link

I went and it was great!!!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 23:17 (one year ago) link

Thanks to your tickets iirc!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 23:17 (one year ago) link

Yeah I am VERY bummed I missed the LA date for that tour, one of the few shows I could have seen by anyone I still actively regret. Quite literally that afternoon I came down with a fever and head cold and was utterly miserable and out of it. If only.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 23:35 (one year ago) link

At least I did get to see them with Marty a few times before that, including the acoustic Steve and Marty tour in the mid-90s.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 23:36 (one year ago) link

xpost glad a true fan got to go in my stead!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 23:43 (one year ago) link

not just a true fan, a marty maniac! i am genuinely glad i got to see him play with them before he left the band.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 3 October 2018 04:07 (one year ago) link

well it was payday in arcadia

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 October 2018 17:12 (one year ago) link

Anyway, speaking of Marty, new album in two weeks:

https://soundcloud.com/noctorummusic/a-girl-with-no-love-the-afterlife-single-release-2018/

Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 October 2018 18:39 (one year ago) link

gotta say i am not into that song :-/
oh well. marty's taste has always seemed kind of questionable

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 8 October 2018 20:10 (one year ago) link

Jesus, a song about the virtues of a sex doll. I had thought MWP's solo work cringeworthy at times but he's going all out here.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 8 October 2018 20:24 (one year ago) link

I felt the same disappointment with the Blade Runner sequel. So many potential themes, and... nope, we're gonna do hologram girlfriend and prostitutes.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 8 October 2018 20:35 (one year ago) link

his imagination has always seemed limited compared to Steve Kilbey's

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 8 October 2018 20:50 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Been listening to my Remote Luxury CD today driving around running errands, it's so good... they've really established their own sound on these two EPS. I love MWP's "Volumes" so much, especially the chorus:

they have pages
they take ages
to read and to learn
they're heavy to carry
and easy to burn
volumes have secrets
take them on holiday
book them a room
save them a moment
swallow their swoon

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 20 January 2019 06:12 (one year ago) link

I didn't post on the right thread but last night came across a Rykodisc pressing of Peter Koppes - Manchild & Myth (on clear CQV "CD Quality Vinyl" Ryko's then buzzword) and damn what a great record, some missing link between Church, Durutti Column and 90s shoegaze

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 20 January 2019 12:26 (one year ago) link

The night is a liar
Overthrow the tyrant

Wow, still great in 2017! Just catching up. Man Woman Life Death Infinity is like vintage Church.

Fake Sam's Club (I M Losted), Monday, 21 January 2019 15:51 (one year ago) link

Have you listened to Further/Deeper? Absolutely brilliant - to my mind, the equal of any of their earlier peaks.

Vast Halo, Monday, 21 January 2019 21:45 (one year ago) link

Wow, Manchild & Myth is wonderful

Mule, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 13:26 (one year ago) link

their last three albums are as good as anything they've ever recorded, definitely better than the 2000-2008 era stuff (which I like too!)

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:02 (one year ago) link

Wow, Manchild & Myth is wonderful

― Mule, Tuesday, January 22, 2019 7:26 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i'm surprised i'd never heard of it, songs production everything is so gorgeous
...early Ryko stuff is pretty much a guaranteed buy for me because it comes around so rarely and they were a weird label then

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:16 (one year ago) link

Never heard of it myself, so thanks for digging it up. Really like that warm, drugged out feel. It’s sort of dated in the production, channeling (as you point out, I’d add baggy though) lots of stuff going on at the time, but still sounds kinda timeless nontheless. Been playing it alot off of YouTube last couple of days

Mule, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:02 (one year ago) link

Coming back in April and May: http://www.brooklynvegan.com/the-church-announce-more-starfish-tour-dates/

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 24 January 2019 00:38 (one year ago) link

Kinda like how they're looping around the Bay Area this time to play smaller shows in various spots.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2019 00:47 (one year ago) link

I kinda hit burnout after seeing SK solo at a backyard show right here in Sierra Madre last April but I'm tempted to go to that Pappy & Harriets show. The band sounds tremendous.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 24 January 2019 00:51 (one year ago) link

Kilbey's Sydney Rococo is worth a listen, with some fine tracks like the below. Also, the Kilbey / Kennedy albums are worth pursuing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kI7C6zCnGQ

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 24 January 2019 03:51 (one year ago) link

Also, the Kilbey / Kennedy albums are worth pursuing.

Seconding/thirding these. SK's songwriting caught a third/fourth wind when he had this outlet to work on. Check 'em out: https://kilbeykennedy.bandcamp.com

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 24 January 2019 05:15 (one year ago) link

Couple of days ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RuJK6XVHMY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCQ_hi47x3g

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 24 January 2019 05:16 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

But that appears to be the final bow for Pete:

https://m.facebook.com/?_rdr#!/story.php?story_fbid=10156557066421046&id=20594731045&ref=m_notif¬if_t=feedback_reaction_generic

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 1 February 2020 03:50 (two weeks ago) link

Surprised and unsurprised that SK would continue on with none of the other originals. Altho of course Powles is a way more durable member than Ploog was.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 1 February 2020 06:07 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, if Powles wasn't still there I'd be looking at all this really askance. Though I do know Jeffrey Cain, and he's a good sort.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 1 February 2020 06:45 (two weeks ago) link

What's at Ned's link?

don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Saturday, 1 February 2020 10:04 (two weeks ago) link

Surprised and unsurprised that SK would continue on with none of the other originals. Altho of course Powles is a way more durable member than Ploog was.

Richard wasn't a founding member! Nick Ward was the drummer on Of Skins and Heart.

What's at Ned's link?

A statement from SK to the effect that Peter is done with The Church. (Presumably for good this time.) This... does not bode well, I would think. They rebounded after MWP's estrangement to make a superb album that retained all the qualities that I most love in The Church, but losing PK too means that they're inevitably going to become a different musical proposition. This isn't a "me and yer granny on bongos" situation.

Vast Halo, Saturday, 1 February 2020 20:35 (two weeks ago) link

Really glad I saw em in Ithaca when they came through last year. I was amazed at how great a show it was. They played forever and the crowd was with them the whole way. Sorry to see Koppes go. He was the backbone of the band no doubt.

stop torturing me ethel (broom air), Saturday, 1 February 2020 21:02 (two weeks ago) link

Well, of course there was that period in the 90s when it was just Steve and Marty. And a slap on the wrist for me forgetting Nick Ward.
I guess my main reservation is that altho the Church were always a benign dictatorship, SK has increasingly leaned into the role of rock legend / elder statesman in the last decade. The self aggrandising statements feel a little less ironic these days.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 1 February 2020 21:31 (two weeks ago) link

(Presumably for good this time.)

Ah, as long as the band exists, I wouldn't rule out anyone returning, given the fluctuations of the '90s.

I see Ash Naylor is being brought in to replace him though - seems Kilbey has a project to incorporate all the flattest-haired Australian guitarists of those '90s as positions become available.

don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Saturday, 1 February 2020 22:08 (two weeks ago) link

I just did a search for him on Google Image Search and indeed, he would fit in nicely on the ILM "swagger of Oasis" thread.

Vast Halo, Saturday, 1 February 2020 22:47 (two weeks ago) link

as long as the band exists

Even more likely: a farewell or retirement-fund tour with MWP and Koppes at some point while everyone's still healthy

don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Saturday, 1 February 2020 23:02 (two weeks ago) link

Naylor is a great player and super low key in a similar vein to Koppes, I must admit

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 2 February 2020 02:13 (two weeks ago) link

Steve just posted something now re some of the comments of the past few days:

https://www.facebook.com/thechurchband/photos/a.10151876536906046/10156570000881046/

People questioning my integrity and my right to call my band the church should bear in mind that I wrote approx 90 per cent of all guitar parts on first 4 albums other than the actual solos. Seance is virtually a solo album as far as the writing of it. I have never been merely the bass player.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 February 2020 04:43 (one week ago) link

It's a shame both that artists being so close to pissy audience comments these days make him feel he needs to make any response, and also that he went for such a petty, reaching defence. This is throwing the last 20+ albums & mini-albums under the bus, and also the contributions of the recent and future guitarists. Presumably not his intention!

He's never hesitated to use other names for other music. Bummer if there's actual acrimony, not just fed-up-ness, with Koppes, but it's not hard to trust that future music with Kilbey's main Church collaborator of the last 25 years and a lead guitarist who's been in the band for six years will be Church-ish.

MOAR PETE (sic), Thursday, 6 February 2020 21:04 (one week ago) link

I'd guess that calling an album a Church album instantly means more sales and the ability to plan a tour with larger venues, and have a shot at actually making some money, regardless of who plays on it or what it sounds like.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 6 February 2020 21:34 (one week ago) link

i looked up MWP after the last revive and wondered if anyone has seen his new act w his new wife? i thought she was his daughter until i read a little more about the project :-/

i wish steve kilbey would do another album in the earthed/unearthed style, maybe re-earthed? de-earthed?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 6 February 2020 21:39 (one week ago) link

should we pitch in and buy LL a one-hour Skype guitar lesson with MWP for £35

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 6 February 2020 21:54 (one week ago) link

lololol irl lols here
maybe i will do it over the summer. i'm sure someone would let me borrow their guitar. he can teach me the basics as i know nothing about playing guitar :)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 6 February 2020 21:56 (one week ago) link

i didn't realize he was still at it!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 6 February 2020 21:56 (one week ago) link

maybe you could give him a one-hour drumming lesson?

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 6 February 2020 21:58 (one week ago) link

No I would prefer to learn guitar. I teach for a living, I’m not paying him to get a drum lesson! :)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 6 February 2020 22:12 (one week ago) link

i wish steve kilbey would do another album in the earthed/unearthed style, maybe re-earthed? de-earthed?

A few of the Kilbey-Kennedy albums might fit here? They're all pretty good.

Reading between all the lines, I had a feeling Peter was going to split after the last tour.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 8 February 2020 01:27 (one week ago) link

I would happily pay £35 to hear about LL's impressions of Skype-MWP!

Vast Halo, Saturday, 8 February 2020 01:43 (one week ago) link

MWP has a new band too - Atlantæum Flood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b06eo3BGIU

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 10 February 2020 08:56 (one week ago) link

Sounds kinda like a Greg Dulli b-side on mogadon.

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 10 February 2020 09:04 (one week ago) link


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