Math Metal , Math Rock , Prog Metal : Search & Destroy/Classic Or Dud?

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Inspired by my Meshuggah C/D ? I thought it deserved its own thread. I know Math Rock has its own threads but it doesnt have any specific Math Metal thread, and it seems silly to not combine the two. So here it is:
Math Rock & Math Metal/Prog Metal : Search & Destroy!/ Classic Or Dud ?

rich handel, Friday, 5 December 2003 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm tempted to say dud, just because there's so much ridiculously horrible stuff flaunted as "math metal" now, particularly all these post-Deadguy hardcore bands.

Cynic - Focus (oen of my major favorites in any style of music, despite weak production and silly robot-vocals)
Death - Human (Death with members of Cynic! Probably their best album, but not an immediate must-have as such, due to disappointing production)
Atheist - Unquestionable Presence (maybe the catchiest of the lot, aside from maybe the Mastodon demo)
Meshuggah - Destroy Erase Improve
Gorguts - Obscura (a different side to things, harmonies that make their instruments look like pandas)
Cryptopsy - None So Vile (maybe more of a spazz-out thing rather than particularly "mathy", whatever that really means)
Botch - We Are The Romans
Discordance Axis - The Inalienable Dreamless (I'm not sure grindcore will ever be able to top this one, but by gum do I ever hope!)
Death And Taxe$ - Paradigms For A New Quarter (fancypanted skadoodlin, a little fusion, a little Voivod and boogers full of coziness)
Disharmonic Orchestra - Expositionprophylaxe

Honorable mentions to:
Watchtower - Control & Resistance (technical as get-out, but the vocals!!)
Pestilence - Spheres (too damn samey, a few songs goes a long way, though the same could probably be said about Meshuggah, who just appeal more to me)
Spiral Architect - A Sceptic's Universe (pretty much the bottom line as far as "technical metal" is concerned. Absolutely ridiculous. Closer to Dream Theater than the more death metally or hardcore-y bands, but imo a lot more enjoyable)
Human Remains - Where Were You When (excellent compilation of all their releases, plenty of fun bunliness, maybe not overly mathy, but hey!)
Kataklysm - Sorcery (wasn't going to mention this, but since their name popped up in the Meshuggah thread, what the hell... Great great, sort of strange death metal album. Sadly the band got more and more generic with each release since; nowadays they sound like they live in Sweden)

Deadguy (sorry, it's very important, it's also amazingly boring!)
Burnt By The Sun & various other Dillinger Escape Plan-ish bands of recent years
Theory In Practice - Colonize The Sun (not even a Sparks cover could save this. They were quite a lot of fun on their first two albums, but here they pretty much fell into a hole of boredom)
Vomiting Corpses - Ever wondered what Cryptopsy would've been like if their songwriting was way more boring (well, ok, thei rlast album might be an answer) yeah, that's Ripping Corpse. None So Vile with some slapbass and lousiness ahoy.
Orthrelm - Bedroommetal that clashes Malmsteen at his worst with a boring version of Doctor Nerve
Believer - Technical thrash gets limp and dull. Very popular though, so what do I know.
Buckethead - Widdlewiddle MY that sure is fast. Fokof.
Disharmonic Orchestra - Pleasuredome (wow, the one between the debut and this was alright, even funny at times, but this is dulllll. Not very mathy, but worth mentioning in case someone gets hot on the earlier stuff and try to find this OOP piece of meh. I have it for sale, btw, hahaha)
Extol - Death/black metal hybrid, very technical and full of terrible, terrible melodies and riffs. I've heard good things about the new one though, so maybe they've stepped up.

Wow, I thought I'd have a HUGE list of destroys, as I've heard so much terrible "technical death metal" etc, but it seems the names have slipped.

I see Pig Destroyer etc mentioned in the other thread, and while I absolutely adore them (and to a lesser extent also Agoraphobic Nosebleed) I don't think it's really all that mathy, just great rocking out grindydeath-mix.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Friday, 5 December 2003 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Whats the Mastodon demo? Demos of the 1st album or new album?

Rich Handel, Friday, 5 December 2003 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Search King Diamond "Them" and "Conspiracy"
Search the Mars Volta "Deloused in the Comatarium"

webcrack (music=crack), Friday, 5 December 2003 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

So far i've heard Mastodon, Pelican, Don Caballero, Breadwinner,Chavez ,Isis . I like what i've heard, and im going to check out Meshuggah.

Rich Handel, Friday, 5 December 2003 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Mastodon demo is what they did prior to their first EP. It's the best I've heard from them, and hopefully someone like Relapse will eventually put it out on a CD.

Who are Chavez?

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Friday, 5 December 2003 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Most of the stuff you're talking abt is very different to the stuff Oystein is talking about mind. That said there are a lot of connection points if you approach from a certain angle (ie not the "raarrgh, NONE MORE NECRO" one)

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 5 December 2003 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Chavez are Math Rock as opposed to metal. I think one of them was in Zwan with billy Corgan.
I mention some math rock bands as i wanted to know more about all 3 of the genres mentioned. (as i only know of the usual Slint/Rodan/Polvo stuff, and nothing of math metal or prog metal)

Rich Handel, Friday, 5 December 2003 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Check out Cave In's Until Your Heart Stops too.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 5 December 2003 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh ive heard 'Jupiter' by Cave In. Thought it was quite good.
A band i see mentioned EVERYWHERE is Porcupine Tree. What are they like?

Rich Handel, Friday, 5 December 2003 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Porcupine Tree is basically a sort of light modern prog rock band. They used to have a lot of psych-Pink Floyd to tehir style, but nowadays that's pretty much ditched in favor of a more poppy, straightforward approach.
Personally I find them tedious as can be, but they've got a fairly big fanbase. Any of the past few albums are basically pop with certain progish touches, much like, say, "OK Computer" could be described as that (though do not expect a big similarity between those two bands)

I somehow missed out on the "Math rock" and "Prog metal" part of the question. Bleh.

I'm tempted to give big search-props to the following then: The Flying Luttenbachers (expect some jazz too, particularly on earlier stuff), Zeni Geva, Kukl, Die Kreuzen, Psychotic Waltz (early is progmetal, then they went a bit more psychy with later albums),
Of course, it's hard to draw the line between prog and math rock, hehe. I mean, obviously the number 1 band to check out is Magma! Yay!
Hrmm, there were several bands I was going to mention that I've completely forgotten on the wayside, so I might as well just stop, as these big lists tend to boil down into a big mush.

Anyyyways, for something more traditional metal:
Zero Hour's "Towers of Avarice" (steer clear of the earlier album though)
Ark's "Burn the sun" (if you don't mind a LOT of 80s hardrockisms, particularly in the vocals)

I've heard good things about a band called Loincloth too. They have a demo out, but I haven't had the chance to hear it. With a name like that it's gotta be fun, or at least annoying as hell.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Friday, 5 December 2003 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

One the strength of the one Loincloth track I've heard (on the Swami Recs sampler) they fucking own. Ex-Breadwinner/Honor Role and Confessor if that helps.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 5 December 2003 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic - is a definitely forebear.

Clarke B., Friday, 5 December 2003 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Orthrelm, but don't listen to anyone else listed here, so I'm probably not worth listening to.

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Friday, 5 December 2003 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

If you want something hot and new, I'd recommend the latest Ephel Dual. It's pretty impressive and actually benifits having a jazz rhythm section without metal backgrounds. it's alternately tight and spazzy, has some decent metalcore vox, and also some pretty spiffy warm singing. It's also mega-eclectic.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Friday, 5 December 2003 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Oystein has some top pics there.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Friday, 5 December 2003 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Ephel Duath is great, indeed. So are Orthrelm. I'm still pissed that The Wire cut my favorite line from my review of their last album: "If Derek Bailey was Yngwie Malmsteen, he'd be Mick Barr." Guess you're not allowed to use Bailey as a punchline in their pages.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 5 December 2003 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

hah, that's great.
I was just telling a friend earlier today that Orthrelm to me sounds like Yngwie Malmsteen raised on Anal Cunt.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Friday, 5 December 2003 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Death-Sound of Perseverance is, for me, a must have. and has a better production than Human (if that sort of stuff bugs you)
Search: Botch. their cover of Rock Lobster by ther B-52s cracks me up.
I heard Extol were a Christian Death/black metal band. Is that true?
I agree. Destroy: Burnt by the sun, they suck, though there song titles are kinda funny (EX. : When Corporations Rule your Mom)
I like DEP, but probably most of you will hate me for mentioning them.

Cacaman Flores, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Sound Of Perseverance is good fun, but it sometimes feels like the drummer's just trying his hardest to be remembered as the best-danged-drummer-Death-ever-had.
Of course, that has its charm too!

Extol are indeed Christian, in fact, one of them seems to be the son of a famous Norwegian Christian songwriter (and what-not; I'm not quite sure what the guy is, my father recognized the name)
They have a slight melodic twinge to them that isn't too common for these overtechnical deathbunbands, so that might be a good thing for some.

Oh, and on the search side: Anacrusis - Manic Impressions and Screams & Whispers. The former even has a cover of "I love the world"! Yay!!
Also: Coroner! Everything! Particularly "No More Color" and "Manic Impressions"
Wait, two manic impressions?
Euhhh... ahh, the Coroner album is called "Mental Vortex"!

We need to get one of these bands to record Sonny Rollins' Airegin

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

There's no shame in liking DEP. I'm an old veteran of extreme metal mania, and I approve wholeheartedly of Dillinger.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Dillinger should appeal to me (I fucking worship Botch), but...they don't.

I think it's because they made the mistake of collaborating with Mike Patton, but to be honest, Calculating Infinity just seems like...well, like they're doing calculations in their heads instead of asking the crucial question, "How can we rock the fucking ceiling off this place?"

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

i like calculating infinity, it's neat. i don't play it that much though. i haven't heard their new singer. or the patton e.p.

nobody has mentioned philly band dyssrythmia(i probably spelled that wrong). i don't really care for the album, too noodly or zappa-ish for me, but they belong on this thread.

scott seward, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha, a coicidence - I was just listening to Atheist "Piece Of Time" (the rerelease which includes some old demo tracks that are simply fantastic). Anyway, some great picks by Oystein above (well not mathrock/core/prog metal indeed), I'll add the following:

Death "Individual Thought Patterns" (their most interesting and best one)
Pestilence "Testimony Of The Ancients" (less weirdness-for-the-sake-of-it than "Spheres" and better songs = their best)

I remember I used to like Rhadamantys and Hybernoid circa 1993 but I don't have any of their albums anymore.

Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 5 December 2003 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link

A lot of bands I love often get labelled with these prog- and math- sub-genres, but I certainly don't consider them so. Slint are the prime example. Math? Eh? Spiderland is, for the most part, pretty simple actually. Radiohead are the 'prog' equivillent. I simply do not understand what makes OK Computer prog-rock beyong a passing resemblance to Pink Floyd, who themselves were only borderline prog-rock.

Whoever recomended 'We Are The Romans' by Botch is talking sense. You should also check out Converge, Envy, Isis and Neurosis in that style. I guess you could say they all have elements of math and/or progressive metal/hardcore.

And don't forget the mind-boggling obvious: Tool.

Stupid (Stupid), Friday, 5 December 2003 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Re Watchtower - Oystein what did you think of Dangerous Toys?

dave q, Friday, 5 December 2003 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I never heard them, didn't seem like something I was likely to like.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Saturday, 6 December 2003 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think of Neurosis as very prog at all: I hear mostly post-Swans stomp in them. And Cult Of Luna rip Neurosis off shamelessly, and manage to beat them at their own game in the process.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 6 December 2003 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think Burnt by the Sun are all that bad. The only thing I dislike about them is their generic vocals. I don't think Dillinger collaborating with Patton was a mistake, either.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 6 December 2003 01:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i always think of Isis as the big Neurosis ripper offer.but i guess that's pretty obvious.

scott seward, Saturday, 6 December 2003 03:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone like Mike Patton at all?

Rich Handel, Saturday, 6 December 2003 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Fred Durst?

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 6 December 2003 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Isis do it, too. But Isis and Cult Of Luna are both way better than Neurosis.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 6 December 2003 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

...Isis and Cult Of Luna are not better than Neurosis...

Have you even HEARD A Sun That Never Sets?

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 6 December 2003 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, gosh i would have to disagree there. isis can't hold a doom-ridden candle to neurosis.

scott seward, Saturday, 6 December 2003 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Neurosis is much more tribal compared to Isis, at least going by their later four records (haven't heard the early ones).

Both bands would be the same genre, whatever that is, but I think they have taken different paths, especially in arranging out the rhythms.

Neurosis is space age neolithic music, they sound futuristic and very old at the same time.

I'll have to investigate this Cult of Luna.

earlnash, Saturday, 6 December 2003 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Exactly earlnash. Space-age neolithic.

If anyone ever re-makes 2001: A Space Odyssey, Neurosis should do the soundtrack.

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 6 December 2003 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked Neurosis a lot when I saw them live (a few years ago, opening for Pantera of all acts), but Isis were better, mostly because Isis's live set featured a theremin/didjeridoo duet and Neurosis's was just throb-and-crash for 45 minutes. I think the reason I like Isis more is that they're more subtle, and less overwrought.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 6 December 2003 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
I have to say i REALLY like Isis. Thanks to all who recommended them to me.

Rich Handel, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link

SEARCH: Candiria, Loincloth, Necrophagist, and Oystein's great math metal menu.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm dying to hear Necrophagist (sorry). A guy I know has been recommending them to me for what seems like a year already, and I haven't been able to get hold of their stuff.

I didn't even know Candiria were still around, but they either just played or are just about to play NYC. I don't care, though.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link

That list is impressive isn't it. Have to big up Cult of Luna again, if you like a little Godspeed! in your Neurosis they are excellent live.

Mei played me Gorguts the other day and I was very taken with it, I'm getting me some of that

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
How do the Dillinger Escape Plans and Mastodon albums hold up to the previous albums then?

When is the new Isis due?

Randall, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 05:03 (seventeen years ago) link

To me, the new Dillinger dude's a little too much inyourface, and in kind of a generic, shotgun-throat kinda way (not the Cookie Monster thing, the "Lookame, I can go BLURRRRRRRGHHHH" way of been-there. But, if that's your thing, you got it. I'm more from the jazzrock, like Pete Cosey and John Mclaughlin and Sonny Sharrock getting maggatronic with Miles Davis/Funkadelic's live "Maggot Brain"/Tony Williams Lifetime (orig Mcl-Jack Bruce-Larry-Young lineup/McL's DEVOTION, early Maha (before John got that orchestra)/Sharrock w solo and with Last Exit and early Material/Massacre/Original Black Sabbath/Cliff-era Metallica/Mastodon school. I really like Dysrythmnia and reviewed them for the Voice and *still* prob managed to misspell their damn name! Also like Don Caballero, and their last guitarist has a band called Battles, anybody heard it? Oh yeah Dys is kind of like if you were calculating infinity (but still rocking; I don't like much "fusion," that's why I said jazzrock for theat Miles stuff), and factoring in Dillinger, the better Fugazi bass influence, atc. I really liked Relapse's last couple of CONTAMINATED budget-priced samplers (haven't heard previous). Oh yeah, the Oxxes are good "math rock" too, even for those who can't do math (like me).

Don Allred, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 06:09 (seventeen years ago) link

the new dillinger's ok. i was expecting it to be worse, actually. there's some neat electronic flourishes towards the end. but overall it's more or less in the vein of the dillinger/patton EP. definitely not quite as monolithically pummeling as calculating infinity.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

The Minor Times - Making Enemies (if you like Botch)
Coalesce - Give Them Rope (which just got a makeover courtesy of Second Nature recordings)
Coalesce/Napalm Death - In Tongues We Speak
Converge - Jane Doe
Cryptopsy - ...And Then You'll Beg (although None More Vile will also do you fine, I like this one better)

Reed Rosenberg (reed), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Mick Barr's solo act Octis = OCD metal inna rune stylee
"Uppragan Srilimia Ixioor Ocrilim Nollfithes Mrithixyl"

sexyDancer, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Just bought the Roadrunner 2-for-1 reissue of Gorguts' Considered Dead and The Erosion Of Sanity, along with two Return To Forever albums, Hymn Of The Seventh Galaxy and Romantic Warrior. Hymn rocks more than Warrior, but both are good. And I like Erosion better than Obscura.

I've been listening to the new Necrophagist disc quite a bit, because I'm gonna review it for the Cleveland Scene, and this means I've also been listening to Pestilence's Testimony Of The Ancients and Death's Individual Thought Patterns a lot, too. Both of those are better than the Necrophagist disc.

I went looking for Cynic's Focus at the record store today, but couldn't find it. They did have both albums by Gordian Knot, the bassist's new band, though. Are those any good? Lots of 70s prog folks (Bill Bruford, Tony Levin, some others) on 'em.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link

The first Gordian Knot's pretty nice, sort of easy listening fusion sorta thing... What I've heard of the second has made me not bother investing.
Has "Focus" been rereleased then? I know it's been OOP for a good many years, but there has been talk about Roadrunner putting it out again now that they're doing all those wonderful reissues.

I need to get that Gorguts twofer myself, those two albums are amongst my favorites of early 90s brutal dumbass-metal.
The new Necrophagist is getting a ludicrous amount of hype... How is it compared to earlier material? I always found Necrophagist to be pretty boring, so I hadn't really considered the possibility that this one might be worth checking out.

Obscura's still one of the be-all end-all metal albums, to me.

I just noticed that I accidentally dissed Ripping Corpse in my old post there. Ripping Corpse is GREAT! Pre-Dim Mak dumb brutal death with that nice techish fling to it that makes the rabbits wiggle their noses and ears. Vomiting Corpses on the other hand...

Despite not really liking them myself, I'll add another search: Axis Of Perdition. Takes that whole "cyber-black metal" trend of the late 90s into really brutal territory. Think Emperor turned into slightly rusty, but nonetheless precise and smelly, spaceships of mass debunnification. Not to be mistaken for the rather great Axis Of Advance and their Voivod-goes-black metal schtick.
Anaal Nathrakh might deserve a mention while we're in this territory.

Some might dig on Misanthrope too.... Lots of fancy doodiddling in a black metal framework that nonetheless recalls Iron Maiden far, far too much. Their fanbase doesn't seem too big, and I can't count myself as part of it either, but those that get into it seem to all get rabid.

For those of you more into the ol' thrash thing (mainly the moshy Anthrax side) Forced Entry's Uncertain Future's worth mentioning. Maybe not quite as proggy as this thread might be for, but what the hey...
I need to just step away from this thread and pretend it never appeared, as I fear I'll come back to it every 6 months for the rest of my life (eventually to say that metal suxxx and u shuld all listn 2 SHAKTI instddd dudz rulz like fuzen but acustik!)
yeah, sleep... good... night

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

This thread title made me want ro revive an old Dream Theater thread for some reason:
Let's figure out Dream Theater.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
The Meshuggah Ep was awesome.

Ralphie, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 12:46 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...
Any sign of the Meshuggah album?

Metalion, Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

somebody on the rolling metal thread said it LEAKED.

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, 52 posts over 16 months and not one mention of the The Fucking Champs/c4am95? Hmm. They might be too clustered in with the indie-rock bands and they flirt with synth-electronics which may be too outside for metal purists but there music is about as math-y as I can think of.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I get all my math rock needs from Thingy and Heavy Vegetable. All of the cool time change weirdness, but sans the cookie monster voice that usually accompanies it.

darin (darin), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I said this on the math-rock thread but Heavy Vegetable's "Song For Wesley Willis" is pretty genius in time-structure.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Agreed. The "Jackie Chan/Spatula" part of the same album makes my head explode (in a good way).

darin (darin), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Extol was mentioned negatively way up at the top of this thread. I just got their new one in the mail today; haven't played it yet.

The most recent Flying Luttenbachers disc, The Void, is their most guitar-heavy in awhile. And now Mick Barr's joined the band! He'll be with 'em whenever they tour the US, and he'll be on the next CD, whenever that comes out. Weasel Walter + Mick Barr = my head exploding.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 17 March 2005 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link

mick moved to SF about 2 months ago, he'd be the only reason i'd be interested in seeing TFL.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 17 March 2005 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

gygax are you going to the oneida/fc/comets show tomorrow night?

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 17 March 2005 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe... oneida's playing lobot tonight.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 17 March 2005 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Just downloaded the Meshuggah. Not played it yet.
The new Pelican EP has leaked 'March Into The Sea'.

metalion, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 00:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Not sure if anyone is going to agree with this due to unfavorable associations with the uber-corny metalcore scene, but The Red Chord's Fused Together In Revolving Doors is some BRUTAL SHIT. Really nice combination of metalcore chug and death metal technicality/vocals/speed. I think they're coming out with a new one this year, however I suspect it won't be as good having lost their SICK DRUMMER to some corny band on Victory.

- (smile), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 01:15 (seventeen years ago) link

nine years pass...

has anyone heard the album "Five Minutes" by Bowl Ethereal? it was offered free if you signed up for their email list a year or two's the Honor Role/Breadwinner/Loincloth dude but anyway it's kind of brilliant, this incredibly complex, knotty math metal but there's five songs of exactly (to the second) 1 minute each.

math metal is kind of made for 1 minute songs

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 February 2015 19:13 (seven years ago) link

Good thread. I haven't listened to much of this stuff in years. Need to catch up.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 13 February 2015 15:49 (seven years ago) link

Not heard it m@tt but id like to

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 13 February 2015 15:52 (seven years ago) link

Bowl Ethereal (kept misreading it as Bowel) are pretty good. As much as I like a good wallow in riffs it's refreshing to hear that kind of thing being done with such brevity

ultros ultros-ghali, Friday, 13 February 2015 21:04 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

MaresNest, Monday, 20 April 2015 22:42 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

Confessor rules hope that's ok with you

On this timescale, all matter is liquid. (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 12 June 2016 09:23 (five years ago) link

In fact I kinda wonder if Meshuggah were fans of Condemned, the guitars-as-percussives, proggy weird time signature thing wasn't exactly common at the time.

On this timescale, all matter is liquid. (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 12 June 2016 09:24 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

My wife has started listening to music again. After being in a long phase of "just whatever's on the radio", she has emerged as a fan of the more progressive and melodic strains of metal. Mostly a lot of progressive metalcore - stuff like Northlane and Erra.

Today she asked me to find something similar to Ne Obliviscaris, so I guess progressive metal with a violin or other strings. Any thoughts?

Also, she's interested in newer metal and can always suss out when I try to slip her some album I thought was cool for a month 15 years ago or something.

☮️ (peace, man), Saturday, 29 February 2020 23:16 (two years ago) link

I know I've pushed them in a couple places, but maybe the last Caligula's Horse album? Very melodic, melancholic prog metal with some djenty bits.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Sunday, 1 March 2020 01:29 (two years ago) link

eight months pass...

Totally different from most of these bands but I can't quite fit them on the Power Metal thread: Fate's Warning. Been listening to Awaken The Guardian and I like some songs a lot so far. I'm not sure it goes especially far in any direction, mostly sounds like 80s metal to me before I can think of a subgenre. There was a brilliant prog list on youtube years ago that featured their album No Exit, so maybe that is their prog highlight?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 26 November 2020 21:57 (one year ago) link

"Guardian" is an absolutely stunning song, the rest I'm still chewing on but that song is a justified classic.

Love the shonky cover art of their first album.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 3 December 2020 01:51 (one year ago) link

"Karen's been asleep forever I know she hears me
She has so much to say, the machine sparks
Her eggshell mind a tear streams from her face
Into my hand, to my heart"

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 3 December 2020 03:24 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

It's a fun album. Anyone got Fate's Warning experiences?

Mike Portnoy in the sleeve notes regards them as the first true prog metal band.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 4 February 2021 18:55 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Really enjoying Watchtower's Control And Resistance. Feels more substantially prog than a lot of bands tagged as prog metal. Crazy vocals are great.

A shame they didn't do more stuff. Anyone like the reunion stuff? Are there any related bands worth checking out? One of them is called Retarded Elf.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 16 April 2022 17:41 (one month ago) link

Confessor seems promising but I don't think there's an original member connection there

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 16 April 2022 17:57 (one month ago) link

Confessor are GREAT.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 16 April 2022 18:35 (one month ago) link

Seems like Watchtower vocalist Alan Tecchio has been in the most bands of all the members

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 16 April 2022 18:37 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

I might have a look at his other bands someday, I really like him and the way he says "reason" as "REASAHAAAWWWN". Sleeve notes say he was tiring of the super high vocals so maybe he sings very differently in other bands.

My common complaint about prog metal and modern prog in general is that they don't bring much prog but Watchtower really deserve the label

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 7 May 2022 21:20 (two weeks ago) link

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