S&D: Godflesh

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Can anyone give me any tips on which albums to look out for/start off with and which to avoid?

Stupid (Stupid), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 02:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i like the Sub Pop single they did.

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 02:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

buy these albums in this order:Pure,Streetcleaner,Godflesh,Selfless,Slavestate e.p.,Us and Them,Hymns,Messiah,Songs of Love and Hate,and Love and Hate in Dub.Buy one and if you like it buy another. if you buy one and hate it then stop there and forget all about it. or buy: In All Languages which is a double cd best-of/singles/b-sides/live thing. if you like that cd then buy another. if you hate that cd then don't buy anymore. buy something else by another band and hope for the best.

christbaitrising, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 03:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

best advice ever!

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 03:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Streetcleaner has better songs on it than Pure, but the production is weaker, otherwise what he said.

There's a Peel Session from around the time of Streetcleaner which has far better versions of 'Pulp' and 'Like Rats' than on Streetcleaner; and better verions of 'Tiny Tears' and 'Wound (Not Wound)' than were added to the CD version... search that if you can.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 09:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

What everyone said. I have various babblings on AMG about 'em.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 18:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Good list up top, but Slavestate should be dead last. Selfless is much better, particularly if you can find a copy of the Selfless/Merciless 2-CD set. Also, In All Languages is kind of essential because it's the only place you're currently gonna find "Love Is A Dog From Hell," their absolute best track ever.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 19:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

slavestate is worth owning for "perfect skin." "pure" (and "cold world") never did anything for me, but lately when i want to listen to godflesh it's always the s/t.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Except that 'Dum Dum Slug' is the best track on 'Pathological' and not 'Love Is A Dog From Hell', but given this is a Godflesh thread...

Also worth finding, the Loopflesh/Fleshloop split single I've mentioned before (in the Loop thread, I think). A brilliant version of 'Straight To Your Heart', that would fit perfectly alongside 'Slateman'.

Is 'Grind' on the Mortar compilation canonically Godflesh? I know it's credited to Fall Of Because, but given it's essentially a new creation (being spliced together bits of live tape - a remix/redux if you like) it's not really a FoB song, is it?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 13:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

first two and slavestate only. anything after that SUCKS real bad. grrr i am in pain sings justin i am thinking the same oh how they really progressed in their sound NOT.

bob snoom, Thursday, 4 December 2003 12:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

bob, me in 1992 agrees with you.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 4 December 2003 19:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
What everyone said. I have various babblings on AMG about 'em.
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), December 2nd, 2003.

Hi, Ned. I just pasted your AMG review of Streetcleaner to my girlfriend, who is curious about my recent rediscovered love of that album.

I can't believe how few posts there are on this thread about one of my all time favorite groups.

I kind of agree with bob snoom, even though I think he's one of the most annoying posters on ILM, but I loved Pure. It was after Pure that I stopped following Broadrick... until I discovered the world of side projects. It felt like Godflesh became his day job after Pure, kind of like how Steve Buscemi used to take parts in movies like Con-Air to fund things like Trees Lounge.

ugly and mean, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Hi, Ned. I just pasted your AMG review of Streetcleaner to my girlfriend

Hm, glad to help! I still need to actually get the Jesu album.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I enjoy the Jesu album for its production, but I think it would give bob snoom a stroke (if it hasn't already). I think it was Jesu that inspired me to go back and rip my old copy of Streetcleaner. Got me craving that nasty old grainy sound they used to have.

ugly and mean, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The Jesu EP is better than the album, I think.

Last night I played the s/t album and was amazed at how astonishing it still was. I followed it with God's "Loco" and my brain melted.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 09:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I can't believe how few posts there are on this thread about one of my all time favorite groups.

More here...
Godflesh, God, Techno Animal, etc (S&D/CoD)

The Jesu EP is better than the album, I think

You're damn right.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 09:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

Picked up a copy of the Pure//Cold World//Slavestate set a while back, and it's been in heavy rotation ever since. Great records that I'm much more able to enjoy now than I was at the time. Dunno why that is. I suppose Big Black had something to do with it. In 1990-whatever, I think I heard Godflesh as a grayed out, overly self-important verison of something that had already been done much, much better. Which is unfair, in retrospect, but young me tended to be pretty metal-averse in general. Anyway, consensus seems to be that Streetcleaner and the debut EP are their real legacy, but I like Pure at least as much, especially when it slows down to a crawl and just sort of throbs along.

a bleak, sometimes frightening portrait of ceiling cat (contenderizer), Sunday, 11 October 2009 20:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

*rubs tears of 'joy' from eyes*

Godflesh have reformed. They're confirmed to play Hellfest. Hopefully more dates to be announced.

Doran, Thursday, 3 December 2009 17:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

i'm listening to Godflesh right now, and am feeling awesome.

The Portrait of a Lady of BJs (the table is the table), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 01:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

are the 2xCD reissues out?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 01:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

Fucking GREAT live tonight.

Almost worth D.R.I. playing to hardly anybody as openers. WTF is wrong with London.

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 16 June 2011 23:22 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

As Jeff T. noted elsewhere:

http://www.invisibleoranges.com/2013/06/godflesh-readies-us-dates-with-prurient-nails/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 18:17 (four years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

anybody seen them on this tour thus far? wondering whether i should shell out $30 bucks. the fact that Cut Hands rather than Prurient is opening makes me feel queasy, but...i LOVE Godflesh.

hilarious topless cookie chef (the table is the table), Sunday, 20 April 2014 03:50 (three years ago) Permalink

also, HELLO ILM.

hilarious topless cookie chef (the table is the table), Sunday, 20 April 2014 03:55 (three years ago) Permalink

they're fantastic

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 April 2014 04:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Seeing them tomorrow in SF!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 April 2014 05:38 (three years ago) Permalink

well, that settles it. i will see you tomorrow, Ned!

hilarious topless cookie chef (the table is the table), Sunday, 20 April 2014 06:23 (three years ago) Permalink

Also, Cut Hands are awesome live.

Berk errs Gibbs/Ox (aldo), Sunday, 20 April 2014 11:56 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah that was a pretty good set from Cut Hands. Waiting on Godflesh. Table if you're around I'm hanging near the door for now chatting with friends.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 April 2014 05:46 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

New song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWplWgZtDjo

It sounds exactly like you'd expect. Never let it be said that Broadrick doesn't find a sound and run that fucker dry.

ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 24 May 2014 14:38 (three years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

sounds good

Vomit of a Missionary (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 18:14 (three years ago) Permalink

Just bought the new Godflesh album "A World Lit Only By Fire" today. Listening now...

No live drummer. All the drums are done by a drum machine. Programming deliberately emphasizes the inhuman qualities.

In the past Godflesh occasionally did these kind of 'ethereal' songs but there don't seem to be any on this new record, I guess he releases that side of his work under his Pale Sketcher and Jesu monikers now.

Tokyo Crow, Monday, 13 October 2014 14:07 (three years ago) Permalink

No live drummer. All the drums are done by a drum machine. Programming deliberately emphasizes the inhuman qualities.

Um...yes.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 October 2014 14:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Um...yes.

Well it's easy to make a programmed drums sound fairly 'real' these days. What I meant was, the programming deliberately avoids that.

Tokyo Crow, Monday, 13 October 2014 14:41 (three years ago) Permalink

I honestly don't know how to react here. You obviously know about Godflesh and Broadrick's work in general and you're describing something that has been a key part of practically everything they've ever done as something notable and new, and I'm at a loss.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 October 2014 14:49 (three years ago) Permalink

Both Songs of Love & Hate and Hymns (their last album before this one) featured live drummers, though, Ned. As did Jesu. It's fair to point out the importance of a return to programmed drums.

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 13 October 2014 15:02 (three years ago) Permalink

I honestly don't know how to react here. You obviously know about Godflesh and Broadrick's work in general and you're describing something that has been a key part of practically everything they've ever done as something notable and new, and I'm at a loss.

Okay. When Godflesh started, the drum machines they used were incapable of making realistic sounding drums. The technology was not advanced enough. Even if you wanted to, it was impossible to make them sound realistic.

These days however, you can make convincingly realistic drum sounds on a laptop using sample packs. And the latest drum machines can also sound convincingly realistic. So this was an option that Broadrick could have taken if he wanted. But he chose not too.

Broadrick has used samples/loops of real drums before, on some Techno Animal tracks for example and also on some of his remix work. But he hasn't done this on this new Godflesh album. He's deliberately used very primitive artificial sounds for the drums.

Tokyo Crow, Monday, 13 October 2014 15:05 (three years ago) Permalink

I guess what I'm trying to say is that early Godflesh sounded 'primitive' as a result of having no budget and very limited technology. They were simply doing the best with what they had. But now the technology is available to them to make things sound much more 'professional'. And a large budget is no longer necessary. But they have deliberately used modern recording technology in a way to make it sound similar to their early work. So the result is similar but now it's a choice rather than simply unavoidable circumstance.

Tokyo Crow, Monday, 13 October 2014 15:13 (three years ago) Permalink

It might be that having seen them live this year with the drum machine setup (and a hell of a show it was) I'd already locked into that particular drum machine approach again (and 誤訳侮辱, I *did* say 'practically,' not everything everything). And the EP had already demonstrated that further, so I guess I'm neither fazed nor surprised. It's a familiar compositional element.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 October 2014 15:23 (three years ago) Permalink

having seen them live this year with the drum machine setup (and a hell of a show it was)

Which live show did you see?

I would have liked to have seen one of the shows they did with Robert Hampson, I a big Loop/Main fan. To be honest, I'm more excited about the Loop reunion than the Godflesh reunion. I actually prefer Broadrick's Pale Sketcher/JK Flesh/Greymachine releases to the new Godflesh stuff.

Tokyo Crow, Monday, 13 October 2014 15:35 (three years ago) Permalink

This would have been the San Francisco show in April. The joint shows with Loop would have been amazing, no question, but as nothing like that happened over here, alas. Did see Loop a month later in LA. (Solo Robert performances would be even more wonderful but as he mentioned to me, the demand just isn't there for an American tour.)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 October 2014 15:37 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

after an extensive survey I can't help but conclude that post-2001 Godflesh is completely superior in every way to O.G. Godflesh

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:33 (one year ago) Permalink

what makes you say that? i can kinda see it, i love the most recent album and ep, but nothing on them wants to make me punch myself in the face like "avalanche master song"

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:30 (one year ago) Permalink

the older stuff just doesn't reach as deep for me at all. like, I like it, but it feels sort of...academic. whereas from hymns onward, I connect from a gut level

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 29 April 2016 00:08 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah i get that especially with hymns which feels very on the verge of early jesu (i guess obviously) but is still embedded in a fundamentally hostile and evil universe

took a nap to a world lit only by fire tonight and the last track not only woke me up but scared the shit out of me

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Friday, 29 April 2016 02:02 (one year ago) Permalink

I liked the last two releases, but for me it's all about Pure, Merciless and Selfless.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 29 April 2016 02:15 (one year ago) Permalink

i like it all.

scott seward, Friday, 29 April 2016 03:18 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

The pre-order link in that article wants $19 for the CD. It is to laugh. Guess I'll be going through Amazon for this one (or waiting till it shows up on Godflesh's own Bandcamp page).

https://godflesh1.bandcamp.com/

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 18:31 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah I was surprised no Bandcamp link for it yet.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 18:37 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

new song "be god" is extremely encouraging https://godflesh1.bandcamp.com/album/post-self

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 13 November 2017 15:59 (six days ago) Permalink

The new album is good, but uninvolving. Like, you could put it on in the background and do some work, but it doesn't have any songs as strong as the ones on Pure or Selfless or even Streetcleaner. That's been true for a while, though; the only song I remember from A World... is the one that sounds like Killing Joke.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 13 November 2017 16:26 (six days ago) Permalink


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