MF Doom?

"Where to start" is a bastard of a question considering he's got a hand in at least four albums this year (if you count the leaked Madvillainy). I made a comp recently of his best stuff (both producing and MCing from 1999-mid '03; not including Madvillainy or Viktor Vaughn Vaudeville Villain), and it goes like this:

king geedorah - fazers
monsta island czars - m.i.n.y.a.
mf doom - who you think i am ft. m.i.c.
king geedorah - fastlane ft. biolante
mf doom - go with the flow
m.i.c. - mic line
king geedorah - anti-matter ft. mf doom and mr. fantastik
mf doom - operation greenbacks
king geedorah - lockjaw ft. trunks
mf doom - i hear voices (part once)
king geedorah - next levels ft. lil' sci, id 4 winds & stahhr
mf doom - doomsday
king geedorah - the final hour ft. mf doom
m.i.c. - 1,2... 1,2
mf doom - gas drawls
m.i.c. - take control
mf doom - ? ft. kurious
m.i.c. - make it squash
king geedorah - krazy world ft. gigan
mf doom - tick, tick ft. mf grimm
m.i.c. - under pressure
mf doom - dead bent
king geedorah - the fine print

*Geedorah is an MF Doom alias, is why I'm all "huh?" when he has a King Geedorah track "ft. MF Doom".

its hilarious in reviews when they write that he only raps on two tracks. ALIASES YOU DUMBSHITS! he's on nearly every track. and two of the few he isn't on are my favorites "Krazy World" and "I Wonder"

the madvillian album is also superb.

and viktor vaughn.

can't wait for MM FOOD!!!!!!!

To use pitchfork as an example (sorry)-

...The King Geedorah project, unlike Doom's recent outing as Viktor Vaughn, finds MF almost exclusively behind the boards, comfortable with rocking the SP1200 and letting others turn out the mic. Only two tracks feature Doom rhyming, but at least one of them is an album highlight...

Now yeah i know PITCHFORK BLAH BLAH CLOWNS BLAH BLAH, but the kid loves the record, makes reference to past doom projects, and yet still he doesn't recognize MF DOOM'S GODDAMN VOICE.

there's a significant difference between saying an album has 2 songs with mf doom verses when its closer to 6 or 7.

its just shoddy writing, because his verses on "no snakes alive" and "the fine print" are fab!

Wouldn't you recognize, say, Willie Nelson singing if he went by the name Harvis Finkelwert?

Not to mention the fact that it's plausible that someone might use or collaborate with rappers/singers/etc. who sound rather a lot like they do. Why wouldn't you assume that Harvis Finkelwert isn't just a big Willie Nelson fan who sounds quite a lot like Willie?!?

Hey josh, I thought you were talking about me and I was all ready to be like "YOU BITCH, I have Operation Doomsday on vinyl and a homemade shirt that says 'I'm at where your sister went'!". And then I realized that I reviewed Viktor Vaughn and not King Geedorah. To be technical, MF Doom raps on, what, five songs on KG? Fazers and The Fine Print are far and away the standouts and Dumile's verse on 'Anti-Matter' is the toughest thing to come out this year, I think. "Doom with the hog's leg, straight up, New Yorkin'"

1) MF Doom "Operation: Greenbacks"
2) MF Doom "Dead Bent" (12" version)
3) Viktor Vaughn "Saliva"
4) MF Doom "Red And Gold"
5) MF Doom "Doomsday"
6) Viktor Vaughn "Lickupon"
7) King Geedorah "The Fine Print"
8) MF Doom ft. Kurious "?"
9) MF Doom "Hey!"
10) King Geedorah "Fazers"

But the new "Vaudeville Villain" album is his best overall. It has one of the best great:crap lyric ratios in recent memory. Tons of quotables. Best hip-hop album of 2003.

what's this about?

the Madvillian comes out today. i'll be at rasputins for lunch

"Smoke Ernie El's, drink Gin, last name, Baylor"

there's a new track making the rounds. i like it!

quasimotos 2nd album might appeal if you like doom. maybe edans primitive plus, too.

new album is looking good from what ive heard so far... i hope hes producing the bulk of it.

is there enough interest for an ANTICIPATING BORN LIKE THIS thread?

that's that is killing me. kinda like lynguistics by cunninlynguistics. the bass and guitar playing on it's so nuanced and sweet, almost african kinda.

I'm playing the shit out of the Born Like This sampler. This is easily my most anticipated release for the near future

i love the new album so far. sounds a bit diff to how he used to, not quite as playful, but still dope.

yeah that's that is great. I like the lack of autotune in the terrible singing bit at the end too

i ADORE this album. it should be on everyones best of 2009 list.

when does this come out??

RADIATED HUMANS EATING THE FLESH OF RADIATED HUMANS

yeah that's that is great. I like the lack of autotune in the terrible singing bit at the end too

that singing bit's like my favourite. not terrible at all.

is ghost only on one track on the lp? something i read a while ago made it sound like he'd thrown in some of the sessions they did, kinda abandoning the plans for a full record

DOPE

how are you guys hearing this?

nm

has he used the 'rectal hysterectomy' line before?

that singing bit's like my favourite. not terrible at all.

ya I mean his singing voice is terrible but it fits nicely with the vibe of the whole thing.

heh took a while to click that they're Doom samples in That's That.

the thom yorke remix sounds better on paper.

it sounds like a thom yorke remix. the four tet mixes put the vocals on a different bed of sounds but it still sounded good, this sounds a little jarring

it needs to be more minimal i think.

lool @ "Batty Boyz"

yeh wtf!??!??

the raekwon joint is mad srs

Also I just realized, like, yesterday that "Doom" was probably a shortened version of "Dumile"

I keep hoping that like the other Doom he allowed one of his robot doubles to die in his place.

xp ha i had the same experience re-reading the ta-nahesi coates profile over the weekend, which i think says "dumile (pronounced DOOM-ile)" and i smacked my forehead

im sure this has been discussed already, its just so odd in 2020 to not find out about the death of a person in the entertainment world the moment it happens

i think it's kind of cool / admirable that it was not known for so long tbh

Also, I would 100% percent be on board with DOOM having faked his own death because A) It means DOOM is alive and B) It would piss everyone off, ergo being an all-time great supervillain move

Id like it if he killed doom, and even d.dumile, but only so he could become a new character. Here's hoping

oh my god lads, a MF DOOM tribute on a belgian train pic.twitter.com/ppXf42XjUD

— lauren quigley (@laurenlquigley) January 5, 2021

Long Live MF DOOM. 🔥 pic.twitter.com/nZwDQ1OO6B

— Hiphop In Je Sm⭕el (@HIJS) January 3, 2021

https://waxpoetics.com/articles/mfdoom-behind-the-mask/

great article

last question about his vaults is intriguing, hope more stuff comes out

I had not seen this until now - he was only 19!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF8DyxqXYfo

that footage is crazy

I don't think im an expert enough to run it but if it hasn't been said already, DOOM deserves his own breakout tracks/albums/career poll

Cool footage. Love that type of NYC accent.

yeah they are so sute

cute*

I don't think im an expert enough to run it but if it hasn't been said already, DOOM deserves his own breakout tracks/albums/career poll

― gman59, Friday, 8 January 2021 18:34 (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Before the pandemic really threw my whole job in to a mess, I was trying to get a big rap poll on the go and had to renege it. I would love to help anyone who wanted to run a DOOM/KMD poll though

i thought someone volunteered to do it on the "there should be an ILM poll" thread?

I suggested it there but was more intending to throw it out there, I’m not able to run it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000r3zg

i could do it. Not gonna let it not happen like. But let's give it a month or two. In the meantime I'll try and sort out what should be eligible as i think this would be thornier than most of these polls (eg, Pitchfork's list of 10 tracks includes a bootleg remix off of "Sadevillain" that features a verse better/clearer than its official release). Is that kind of thing the poll volunteer's call? I've followed a few of these things but only taken part once.

Stretch, Bobbito, and KMD's A&R guy are on the new NY Times Popcast, in separate interviews.

dante ross?

the genie? granting us three wishes?

3 gods of New York 90s rap in one podcast.

I used to have the doom x nas’s worst album on vinyl and loved it, but yeah, mash ups and stuff shouldn’t make the list

yeah you're right. I'll take this on sometime after the 2020 poll if a more qualified pollsperson doesn't. Might need help getting all of the features listed.

I have that doomstradamus somewhere too. Not sure if it was even legit though... wished I had kept my madvillainy lp now, seeing as it appears to be worth half a grand now

nah it's a bootleg. And although it turns out Doom was sorta bootlegging himself with those "Missing Notebook" tracks that made it out, I would want to include those.

Heard a nice recent bootleg with Nujabes beats.

That nyt podcast wasnt bad. Dante Ross was the best. Bobbito talked too much about fondle em. Caramanica kept talking about dooms textures, which is right, but it's also about the weird rhythms, the off, rza ish sense of timing. Like a much looser prince Paul.

I was forgetting the poll scheduling thread when I was here setting my own rough timeline lol. I'll go post there that I could do it.

a hoy hoy: how were you interested in/able to help?

I can't be bothered with Popcast much but it was pretty informative. Keeping the subscription can come in handy.

idk. maybe i could make graphics or something?

That'd be great. I'm rusty with Photoshop but would be no problem sharing the load on rollout images if you did up the template.

the start of this thread is hilarious

listening to special herbs and spices, i forgot how good him and mf grimm were together. dooms beats during this period were absolutely fire. people focus on the more whimsical, quirky stuff, but he also had some absolutely volcanic bangers.

i never liked the vv albums cos the beats were boring/too standard underground rap. madvillainy worked cos madlibs beats are kinda undernourished/crumbling too though doom just has an altogether more dilapidated approach to beats which is why his own self produced material works best.

― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:15 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

been talking w other folks online abt this recently but the beats on viktor vaughn 1 are super dope

otm. listened to vaudevillain the other day, holds up

production on vaudeville is incredible

More incredible than the geedorah album? That album has such a fantastic set of beats .

The thing about Grimm is that Grimm also sounded kind of depressed as well as sinister which fit those beats so well

apples & oranges

Scars and memories, Memories and scars, I look up in the sky and I wonder where you are

https://www.theringer.com/2021/1/4/22212562/mf-doom-daniel-dumile-madvillain-syllabus-kmd-dunks

https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.59992/title.mf-doom-madlibs-madvillainy-sequel-was-85-percent-done-stones-throw-has-permission-to-release-material

https://www.passionweiss.com/2021/01/11/hero-vs-villain-what-a-niggy-know-remix/

whiney doomscrolling
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/arts/music/mf-doom-influences.html

I haven't tried to sell any music at these crazy prices going around... Got an offer on Discogs for $100 for the Vaudeville Villain CD. Just from having it in my collection. Shit's crazy.

Sold my vv literally weeks before he died for £95. Shame I didnt wait longer!

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/arts/music/mf-doom-influences.html

oops, just saw that was already posted.