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Have heard alot about this one, but don't know where to start really...strongest tracks?

David-Graham Steans, Monday, 1 December 2003 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Try this thread: /ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?thread.php?msgid=3460904

scott m (mcd), Monday, 1 December 2003 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

And ignore everything "st" says; he's on some weird anti-indie-rap vendetta and has no idea what he's talking about.

"Where to start" is a bastard of a question considering he's got a hand in at least four albums this year (if you count the leaked Madvillainy). I made a comp recently of his best stuff (both producing and MCing from 1999-mid '03; not including Madvillainy or Viktor Vaughn Vaudeville Villain), and it goes like this:

king geedorah - fazers
monsta island czars - m.i.n.y.a.
mf doom - who you think i am ft. m.i.c.
king geedorah - fastlane ft. biolante
mf doom - go with the flow
m.i.c. - mic line
king geedorah - anti-matter ft. mf doom and mr. fantastik
mf doom - operation greenbacks
king geedorah - lockjaw ft. trunks
mf doom - i hear voices (part once)
king geedorah - next levels ft. lil' sci, id 4 winds & stahhr
mf doom - doomsday
king geedorah - the final hour ft. mf doom
m.i.c. - 1,2... 1,2
mf doom - gas drawls
m.i.c. - take control
mf doom - ? ft. kurious
m.i.c. - make it squash
king geedorah - krazy world ft. gigan
mf doom - tick, tick ft. mf grimm
m.i.c. - under pressure
mf doom - dead bent
king geedorah - the fine print

*Geedorah is an MF Doom alias, is why I'm all "huh?" when he has a King Geedorah track "ft. MF Doom".

nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 1 December 2003 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't know much at all about doom's own material - but his track on herbalizer's something wicked this way comes and blacklist with prefuse 73 are both solid tracks.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

the king gheedorah album is my favorite of the year.

its hilarious in reviews when they write that he only raps on two tracks. ALIASES YOU DUMBSHITS! he's on nearly every track. and two of the few he isn't on are my favorites "Krazy World" and "I Wonder"

the madvillian album is also superb.

and viktor vaughn.

can't wait for MM FOOD!!!!!!!

joshd, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 00:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I take it you mean the AMG review ("MF Doom's two vocal features make up for much of the mentalist madness." Well okay). Dumb, yeah, but it's not the first time they've sputtered inanities at an MF Doom record.

nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, I've seen it in multiple places.

To use pitchfork as an example (sorry)-

...The King Geedorah project, unlike Doom's recent outing as Viktor Vaughn, finds MF almost exclusively behind the boards, comfortable with rocking the SP1200 and letting others turn out the mic. Only two tracks feature Doom rhyming, but at least one of them is an album highlight...

Now yeah i know PITCHFORK BLAH BLAH CLOWNS BLAH BLAH, but the kid loves the record, makes reference to past doom projects, and yet still he doesn't recognize MF DOOM'S GODDAMN VOICE.

joshd, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:49 (seventeen years ago) link

you're lucky patrin!!

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:56 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG you better write him a nasty letter then! I can't believe someone/anyone would be confused by an artist who only uses half-a-dozen or so pseudonyms and personas. Sheesh, some people just ain't got no sense.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Wwhile i applaud the spirit of your post, i just want to say that
the man has a very distinctive voice. If you are familiar with his past work (as the above two reviews claim) it should be apparent even after only one listen that he is on more than just the songs that are credited as "featuring mf doom."

there's a significant difference between saying an album has 2 songs with mf doom verses when its closer to 6 or 7.

its just shoddy writing, because his verses on "no snakes alive" and "the fine print" are fab!

joshd, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 02:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic. Operation Doomsday was the shit. Viktor Vaughn IS THE SHIT.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 04:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe someone/anyone would be confused by an artist who only uses half-a-dozen or so pseudonyms and personas.

Wouldn't you recognize, say, Willie Nelson singing if he went by the name Harvis Finkelwert?

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 04:34 (seventeen years ago) link

So wait wait regardless of what persona he's using, dude ALWAYS raps about exactly the SAME things with exactly the SAME flow?!?! Why the bunch of pseudonyms then?!?! Why not stick with just one?

Not to mention the fact that it's plausible that someone might use or collaborate with rappers/singers/etc. who sound rather a lot like they do. Why wouldn't you assume that Harvis Finkelwert isn't just a big Willie Nelson fan who sounds quite a lot like Willie?!?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 04:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess you may...but if you knew Willie was prone to use pseudonyms, and there's all these people with unfamiliar names singing an awfully lot like him on his records, and you are paid to research and review his music, shouldn't it get you at least wondering?

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 04:58 (seventeen years ago) link

No.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:02 (seventeen years ago) link

*slap*

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I spend my time thinking about useful stuff.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I like cake.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Purple is pretty.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:35 (seventeen years ago) link

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hey josh, I thought you were talking about me and I was all ready to be like "YOU BITCH, I have Operation Doomsday on vinyl and a homemade shirt that says 'I'm at where your sister went'!". And then I realized that I reviewed Viktor Vaughn and not King Geedorah. To be technical, MF Doom raps on, what, five songs on KG? Fazers and The Fine Print are far and away the standouts and Dumile's verse on 'Anti-Matter' is the toughest thing to come out this year, I think. "Doom with the hog's leg, straight up, New Yorkin'"

Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 07:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Top ten Doom tracks:

1) MF Doom "Operation: Greenbacks"
2) MF Doom "Dead Bent" (12" version)
3) Viktor Vaughn "Saliva"
4) MF Doom "Red And Gold"
5) MF Doom "Doomsday"
6) Viktor Vaughn "Lickupon"
7) King Geedorah "The Fine Print"
8) MF Doom ft. Kurious "?"
9) MF Doom "Hey!"
10) King Geedorah "Fazers"

Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 07:49 (seventeen years ago) link

My fav. Doom track is "Rhymes Like Dimes" just because it flows so well with unexpected lyrics. It seems like everything is spilling out of his mouth and he can't control what he raps. (See the Young Gunz "Can't Stop, Won't Stop" for example.)

But the new "Vaudeville Villain" album is his best overall. It has one of the best great:crap lyric ratios in recent memory. Tons of quotables. Best hip-hop album of 2003.

Adam Harrison-Friday, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
Rhymes like dimes is a freestyle - maybe best doom track ever
operation doomsday is the best doom album, though I have spent many evenings stoned out of my gourd or tripping and listening to gedorah and v vaughn. his word play is retardulous

Fratz, Tuesday, 23 March 2004 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

can't wait for MM FOOD!!!!!!!

what's this about?


the Madvillian comes out today. i'll be at rasputins for lunch

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't seem to find anyone else who I like remotely as much as Doom -- the V Vaughn album keeps sounding better and better. Who else (if anyone) is doing similar stuff?

dlp9001, Tuesday, 23 March 2004 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Count Bass D is a very, very, very similar artist. He actually has a song where Doom raps over a beat of his (called "Quite Buttery"). Count Bass D has a couple albums, the best one is Dwight Spitz, he's pretty damn dope.

"Smoke Ernie El's, drink Gin, last name, Baylor"

Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 18:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Get the songs "Dro Grown" and "Aural Sects"

Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

there's a new track making the rounds. i like it!

fwiw (rockapads), Saturday, 17 January 2009 02:54 (twelve years ago) link

quasimotos 2nd album might appeal if you like doom. maybe edans primitive plus, too.

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 17 January 2009 09:16 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

new album is looking good from what ive heard so far... i hope hes producing the bulk of it.

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 2 February 2009 11:47 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

is there enough interest for an ANTICIPATING BORN LIKE THIS thread?

that's that is killing me. kinda like lynguistics by cunninlynguistics. the bass and guitar playing on it's so nuanced and sweet, almost african kinda.

deveraux billings (schlump), Monday, 9 March 2009 04:51 (twelve years ago) link

I'm playing the shit out of the Born Like This sampler. This is easily my most anticipated release for the near future

BusDriverStu (Bus Driver Stu), Monday, 9 March 2009 11:15 (twelve years ago) link

i love the new album so far. sounds a bit diff to how he used to, not quite as playful, but still dope.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 9 March 2009 12:00 (twelve years ago) link

yeah that's that is great. I like the lack of autotune in the terrible singing bit at the end too

wilter, Monday, 9 March 2009 22:22 (twelve years ago) link

i ADORE this album. it should be on everyones best of 2009 list.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

when does this come out??

straight up, you're payin' jacks just to hear me phase (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 16:38 (twelve years ago) link

RADIATED HUMANS EATING THE FLESH OF RADIATED HUMANS

cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 16:47 (twelve years ago) link

yeah that's that is great. I like the lack of autotune in the terrible singing bit at the end too

that singing bit's like my favourite. not terrible at all.

is ghost only on one track on the lp? something i read a while ago made it sound like he'd thrown in some of the sessions they did, kinda abandoning the plans for a full record

deveraux billings (schlump), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

DOPE

carne asada, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 17:42 (twelve years ago) link

how are you guys hearing this?

The Lost Boys Buff Guy Playing Sax (rockapads), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 20:26 (twelve years ago) link

nm

The Lost Boys Buff Guy Playing Sax (rockapads), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

has he used the 'rectal hysterectomy' line before?

The Lost Boys Buff Guy Playing Sax (rockapads), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 21:26 (twelve years ago) link

that singing bit's like my favourite. not terrible at all.

ya I mean his singing voice is terrible but it fits nicely with the vibe of the whole thing.

wilter, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 01:20 (twelve years ago) link

heh took a while to click that they're Doom samples in That's That.

wilter, Friday, 13 March 2009 07:50 (twelve years ago) link

the thom yorke remix sounds better on paper.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 13 March 2009 10:43 (twelve years ago) link

it sounds like a thom yorke remix. the four tet mixes put the vocals on a different bed of sounds but it still sounded good, this sounds a little jarring

deveraux billings (schlump), Friday, 13 March 2009 12:36 (twelve years ago) link

it needs to be more minimal i think.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 13 March 2009 12:43 (twelve years ago) link

lool @ "Batty Boyz"

Jordi La Sarge (The Reverend), Monday, 16 March 2009 08:56 (twelve years ago) link

yeh wtf!??!??

zappi, Monday, 16 March 2009 09:04 (twelve years ago) link

the raekwon joint is mad srs

Jordi La Sarge (The Reverend), Monday, 16 March 2009 09:20 (twelve years ago) link

Cool footage. Love that type of NYC accent.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 8 January 2021 18:49 (three months ago) link

yeah they are so sute

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 8 January 2021 18:54 (three months ago) link

cute*

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 8 January 2021 18:54 (three months ago) link

I don't think im an expert enough to run it but if it hasn't been said already, DOOM deserves his own breakout tracks/albums/career poll

― gman59, Friday, 8 January 2021 18:34 (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Before the pandemic really threw my whole job in to a mess, I was trying to get a big rap poll on the go and had to renege it. I would love to help anyone who wanted to run a DOOM/KMD poll though

a hoy hoy, Friday, 8 January 2021 19:41 (three months ago) link

i thought someone volunteered to do it on the "there should be an ILM poll" thread?

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Friday, 8 January 2021 20:46 (three months ago) link

I suggested it there but was more intending to throw it out there, I’m not able to run it.

Chris L, Saturday, 9 January 2021 04:12 (three months ago) link

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000r3zg

candyman, Saturday, 9 January 2021 09:56 (three months ago) link

i could do it. Not gonna let it not happen like. But let's give it a month or two. In the meantime I'll try and sort out what should be eligible as i think this would be thornier than most of these polls (eg, Pitchfork's list of 10 tracks includes a bootleg remix off of "Sadevillain" that features a verse better/clearer than its official release). Is that kind of thing the poll volunteer's call? I've followed a few of these things but only taken part once.

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 9 January 2021 18:56 (three months ago) link

Stretch, Bobbito, and KMD's A&R guy are on the new NY Times Popcast, in separate interviews.

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 9 January 2021 19:01 (three months ago) link

dante ross?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 9 January 2021 19:46 (three months ago) link

the genie? granting us three wishes?

shivers me timber (sic), Saturday, 9 January 2021 19:47 (three months ago) link

3 gods of New York 90s rap in one podcast.

candyman, Saturday, 9 January 2021 21:05 (three months ago) link

I used to have the doom x nas’s worst album on vinyl and loved it, but yeah, mash ups and stuff shouldn’t make the list

a hoy hoy, Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:26 (three months ago) link

yeah you're right. I'll take this on sometime after the 2020 poll if a more qualified pollsperson doesn't. Might need help getting all of the features listed.

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 9 January 2021 23:48 (three months ago) link

I have that doomstradamus somewhere too. Not sure if it was even legit though... wished I had kept my madvillainy lp now, seeing as it appears to be worth half a grand now

candyman, Saturday, 9 January 2021 23:49 (three months ago) link

nah it's a bootleg. And although it turns out Doom was sorta bootlegging himself with those "Missing Notebook" tracks that made it out, I would want to include those.

Heard a nice recent bootleg with Nujabes beats.

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 9 January 2021 23:58 (three months ago) link

That nyt podcast wasnt bad. Dante Ross was the best. Bobbito talked too much about fondle em. Caramanica kept talking about dooms textures, which is right, but it's also about the weird rhythms, the off, rza ish sense of timing. Like a much looser prince Paul.

candyman, Sunday, 10 January 2021 14:00 (three months ago) link

I was forgetting the poll scheduling thread when I was here setting my own rough timeline lol. I'll go post there that I could do it.

a hoy hoy: how were you interested in/able to help?

I can't be bothered with Popcast much but it was pretty informative. Keeping the subscription can come in handy.

maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 10 January 2021 16:04 (three months ago) link

idk. maybe i could make graphics or something?

a hoy hoy, Sunday, 10 January 2021 16:15 (three months ago) link

That'd be great. I'm rusty with Photoshop but would be no problem sharing the load on rollout images if you did up the template.

maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 10 January 2021 16:18 (three months ago) link

the start of this thread is hilarious

maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 10 January 2021 16:32 (three months ago) link

listening to special herbs and spices, i forgot how good him and mf grimm were together. dooms beats during this period were absolutely fire. people focus on the more whimsical, quirky stuff, but he also had some absolutely volcanic bangers.

candyman, Sunday, 10 January 2021 18:48 (three months ago) link

i never liked the vv albums cos the beats were boring/too standard underground rap. madvillainy worked cos madlibs beats are kinda undernourished/crumbling too though doom just has an altogether more dilapidated approach to beats which is why his own self produced material works best.

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been talking w other folks online abt this recently but the beats on viktor vaughn 1 are super dope

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 10 January 2021 20:33 (three months ago) link

otm. listened to vaudevillain the other day, holds up

flopson, Sunday, 10 January 2021 20:36 (three months ago) link

production on vaudeville is incredible

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 10 January 2021 20:45 (three months ago) link

More incredible than the geedorah album? That album has such a fantastic set of beats .

candyman, Sunday, 10 January 2021 21:30 (three months ago) link

The thing about Grimm is that Grimm also sounded kind of depressed as well as sinister which fit those beats so well

candyman, Sunday, 10 January 2021 21:35 (three months ago) link

apples & oranges

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 10 January 2021 21:46 (three months ago) link

Scars and memories, Memories and scars, I look up in the sky and I wonder where you are

candyman, Sunday, 10 January 2021 21:51 (three months ago) link

I haven't tried to sell any music at these crazy prices going around... Got an offer on Discogs for $100 for the Vaudeville Villain CD. Just from having it in my collection. Shit's crazy.

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 18:18 (three months ago) link

Sold my vv literally weeks before he died for £95. Shame I didnt wait longer!

candyman, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:04 (three months ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/arts/music/mf-doom-influences.html

candyman, Friday, 15 January 2021 08:08 (three months ago) link

oops, just saw that was already posted.

candyman, Friday, 15 January 2021 08:08 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

If there's one catalog album I've played by any artist since Jan. 1, it's Operation: Doomsday. Every day in my car.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 February 2021 19:44 (one month ago) link

good tunes for riding out for sure!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 February 2021 19:56 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Poll's going to get started when the Todd Rundgren results rollout is done. It's everything but bootlegs. KMD, MF DOOM and all other aliases, all productions, features, herbs, blends, go nuts and I'll sort it out. Will link the poll here when it's up!

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 22:49 (three weeks ago) link

man I can't remember most of his titles. One of those artists whose albums I just play and the titles don't matter a damn.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 22:52 (three weeks ago) link

There won't be an exhaustive list of what's eligible. Good resources I've found for stray tracks are Genius and RYM.

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 22:54 (three weeks ago) link

i hear ya. thought i'd give a heads up!

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 22:55 (three weeks ago) link

I will definitely vote in this

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 23:04 (three weeks ago) link

I will too. thank you!

gman59, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 23:12 (three weeks ago) link

love crazy doom fans. sold my old vinyl for more than i ever thought possible.

candyman, Thursday, 25 March 2021 07:04 (three weeks ago) link

bump. bout a week left.

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 18:23 (one week ago) link

Anyone else who was planning to vote?

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 12 April 2021 11:36 (three days ago) link


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