Search and Destroy: Paisley Underground

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Just listening to Three O'Clock's "16 Tambourines" which is in my opinion a classic. There's also the reissue of the Dream Syndicate debut. Search and destroy what?

Everybody's a Wynner, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Salvation Army (first version of Three O'Clock), Rain Parade. Opel as well. All worth searching!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: The Bangles through All Over the Place. Michael Quercio of the Three O'Clock's new band the Jupiter Effect.

Arthur, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

All of the above, check. The Three O'Clock Vermillion.....KA-BOOM!

Curt, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Mazzy Star was the pearl and David Roeback the oyster. I mean, once I ripped somebody's speaker wire out when they put the Three O'Clock on.

dave q, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

never could get into the three o'clock. Didn't like the singer's voice, didn't like the lyrics. The music was OK. Dream Syndicate I liked a lot for the first few LPs, anyway. They got the big Velvet Underground comparison, which was probably only true for the first LP. Rain Parade's "Electric Third Rail Power Trip" I like. Bits and pieces of Green on Red are enjoyable. Opal have some very good songs, too. I liked the Long Ryders first EP and LP, but they kinda lost me after that. All in all, a genre I liked a lot at the time, but haven't listened to much lately. When I do, I still like 'em, though.

pauls00, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Before the Pandoras went LAmetal - they crunched out a few cool psyche lps - 'Stop Pretending' was the name of the big lp.

jason, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Happy Nightmare Baby" by Opal is great altho' the constant not- very-interesting guitar soloing is not very interesting. 1st Dream Synd alb...same actually.

duane, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Nothing beats Rain Parade's "Emergency 3rd Rail Power Trip" from this scene. I love this record - I must have played it more than just about anything else over the last 15 years! Sure, it's heavily late- 60's West Coast influenced, but what makes it great is the way that somehow the 'hippy' is extracted from the SF-sound and replaced with a core that's part Brit-beat circa '65 and part late '70's NYC. This description is overly analytical - let's just say they SWIRL like virtually no-one else.

Also damn fine is the follow-up mini-album "Explosions in The Glass Palace" (anyone know if that's Kew Gardens on the cover?) and "Beyond The Sunset" the live in Japan album. (There's a fantastic cover of Television's "Ain't that Nuthin'" on the latter, by the way).

Other good things include the Rainy Day album, a paisley supergroup affair with the Roback brothers, various Bangles, the guy from Three O' Clock and some of Dream Syndicate doing covers of Hendrix, Who, Young etc. Also the first couple of Green On Red albums were good IIRC, although I haven't heard them in 10 years - "Gas, Food, Lodging" and the one before it.

I'm not sure if Let's Active count, but "Cypress" is the one to get.

Dr. C, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

rain parade cover photo - no that's a greenhouse in golden gate park in san francisco...and i saw a safety warning sign in the san francisco subway (BART) the other day that said "emergency third rail power trip". Made my day.

pauls00, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: "Happy Nightmare Baby"

Destroy: The 3 O'Clock... gawd, this is the very definition of insufferably twee. I can't take that voice!!!

Sean, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: anything and everything by Thin White Rope.

Destroy: Long Ryders

Alexander Blair, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I've only ever heard "Her Head's Revolving", but based on that song alone I can't face the thought of destroying The Three O'Clock. That song has fangs in its swoopy 60's psychedelia. Plus, it's sung well.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Game Theory, of course. :)

Search: Lolita Nation & Big Shot Chronicles They're two seminal albums IMHO.

JC, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
I love the Dream Syndicate, so I vote for "search". I'm not so familiar with the Three o'Clock, although I have the Baroque Hoedown Album (French pressing on Eva/Lolita records containing 8 tracks).

Furthermore I advise lovers of Paisley Underground to search for True West: the first EP and the album Drifters.

Reinald op den Buijs, The Netherlands

Reinald, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Search; LonG Ryders two fisted tales (Prima)
Green On Red Gas Food Lodging. True West -Drifters
Rain Parade; Behind The Sunset.

Richard Kopecky, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Dr C's recommendations above are spot-on. Add Opal's best-of-genre Early Recordings and you've got everything you need.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:53 (eighteen years ago) link

The Bangles first LP is pretty necessary too

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:54 (eighteen years ago) link

"Search: anything and everything by Thin White Rope."

Not sure if they were really paisley underground, but definitely search them anyway. A mighty fine band. Get anything, but maybe start with 'Moonhead' or the double live.

Dream Syndicate - search 'Medicine Show' and 'Live at Rajis'. 'Days of Wine & Roses' is alright too.

Green on Red - haven't heard the first couple, but 'Killer Inside Me' and 'Here Come the Snakes' are excellent.

I'd say the Bangles first album is pretty good, though maybe not essential.

James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 09:48 (eighteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Yes on ETRPT!!! There were about a half dozen classics on that album. I also played it to death in the mid 80s. I didn't like it when they found a different drummer for the sellout-ish Island Records followup release from '85 (although "Gone West" is a pretty cool tune from that one IMHO).

As far as 3 O'Clock, how about that raging gee-tar on "Simon In The Park"? That tune and "Underwater" were in my head for weeks during my continent-wide road trip I just underwent, having broken out that album during it. Very hooky and sticky, those tunes from "Arrive Without Travelling". I do like that album although I wish he'd stop trying to sound British.

On the other side of the Atlantic I really liked, from that period, the Dukes of Stratosphear's "Chips From the Chocolate Fireball", a compilation of two releases from XTC's alter ego.

Senor Pea

Pea Jade Tree, Tuesday, 23 December 2003 08:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Search: The Crawling Walls (1980s, vinyl-only on Voxx Records). The band was from Arizona. They have a great song on there, "The Brain That Wouldn't Die".

Much better than the Pandoras (sorry Gwynne).

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 09:00 (seventeen years ago) link

eight months pass...
Any good articles on Paisley Underground to link?

alex in montreal, Thursday, 26 August 2004 03:15 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
The bursting new wave/disco of "When Lightning Starts" on the Three O'Clock's Sixteen Tambourines is A GREAT BIG WONDERFUL WTF and you guys have to go listen to it RIGHT NOW!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Three O'Clock were easily the greatest of all these bands. (It's just that his lyrics are sometimes terrible.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:39 (fifteen years ago) link

there's some good stuff from dis scene on that new children of nuggets box settt it's hott stuff.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Three O'Clock were easily the greatest of all these bands

well no Tim, they weren't, but they were very good.

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:46 (fifteen years ago) link

I know people like the 1st Dream Syndicate album. I just think there was so much more to the Three O'Clock. Much more forward thinking with their sound - very non-retro guitar and keyboard sounds (unusual, really, in the Paisley Underground context). And Mariano and Guitierrez were both grea playerst! Plus one of the great power pop drummers in Danny Benair. They were something.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:53 (fifteen years ago) link

grea playerst

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:54 (fifteen years ago) link

contemporary-as-of-1982 or 1 or whatever: not that cool usually.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 03:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Dude, go New Wave.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 03:36 (fifteen years ago) link

you missed my new wave phase. it was in middle school, and consisted entirely of devo, the talking heads and uhh.. ithink that is it, actually.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 03:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Anyway, they sounded great.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 03:39 (fifteen years ago) link

YSI some shit, son!

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 03:40 (fifteen years ago) link

i was just listening to jupiter affect the other day. quercio's still pretty catchy.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 03:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Fuck, I wish I could. I have Sixteen Tambourines and Arrive Without Travelling on LP.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 04:14 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Yes we were twee! Either hated or loved..the kids who got beat up in school!

danny benair, Thursday, 9 February 2006 00:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Whoa! Cheers to you Danny, I enjoyed a Salvation Army (3 O'Clock) show WAY back in the day in Pomona!

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 00:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Indeed. Cheers, Danny.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 9 February 2006 01:23 (fifteen years ago) link

when is the quick reunion, danny? the world is ready.

dan (dan), Thursday, 9 February 2006 02:17 (fifteen years ago) link

three years pass...

does anyone have an opinion on the Long Ryders? thinking about getting into this paisley thing

lukevalentine, Sunday, 25 October 2009 01:16 (eleven years ago) link

Long Ryders are very good, with some great moments. If you can find the 2CD "Anthology", that'll be everything you'll ever need.

My fave Paisley Underground band is Dream Syndicate, who also have a great best-of you can likely get for cheap.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 25 October 2009 13:47 (eleven years ago) link

Right on... any of these bands I should avoid? i'm just getting into this stuff and a lot of it is sounding similar to my ears...

lukevalentine, Sunday, 25 October 2009 23:46 (eleven years ago) link

avoid everything except:

Game Theory - Lolita Nation - one of the best 80's records, long out of print.
Dream Syndicate
Three o'clock
Rain Parade

Zeno, Sunday, 25 October 2009 23:51 (eleven years ago) link

three years pass...

Was interviewing Sid Griffin yesterday for a piece about the Paisely Underground. He maintains the PU is only these bands:
Long Ryders
(early) Bangles
Dream Syndicate
Green on Red
Three O'Clock
Rain Parade

And nothing else. Only those six bands. Others were doing similar things - True West especially - but were not PU because they were not based in LA or not part of the original scene.

Trans-Europe Stopping Train (ithappens), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:05 (eight years ago) link

those are pretty much the bands i think of. opal, maybe?

tylerw, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:33 (eight years ago) link

I thought the Paisley Underground were all supposed to have connections to Davis & whichever college is out there. So may be subjective to a couple of different schools of thought?

Stevolende, Friday, 15 February 2013 21:34 (eight years ago) link

Sid's view is Quercio coined the phrase, and applied it to The Three O'Clock, plus the five other groups who all lived within a few blocks of each other in West Hollywood. Davis - despite Wynn having come down from there - being a different thing all together.

I said that in Europe it had a different meaning, largely because of Zippo records - which put out stuff by five of those original groups, plus True West, Giant Sand etc - and became by default "the Paisley Underground label", so anything on it got the PU tag.

Trans-Europe Stopping Train (ithappens), Saturday, 16 February 2013 09:00 (eight years ago) link

What about The Leaving Trains? At least at the time of their first album they're spoken about as being part of that scene, and they shared lots of the same bills, etc.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Saturday, 16 February 2013 10:35 (eight years ago) link

I thought i read the Davis thing in an article I read online last year or the year before, either written by one of the people directly involved or in a quote from them. Not sure if the article dated from the same time could have been around for a while.

Am I remembering right that the Suspects were formed while members attended the college there and contained central members of bands later on that scene.

Stevolende, Saturday, 16 February 2013 11:16 (eight years ago) link

six months pass...

I love that Danny Benair maybe (?) posted to this thread.

I'd never heard this before: Paisley Underground supergroup doing covers. Actually not as good as any of their individual records, but a nice sign of the scene.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 5 September 2013 04:42 (seven years ago) link

Big thing I did earlier this year about the PU scene

Wantaway Striker (ithappens), Thursday, 5 September 2013 09:17 (seven years ago) link

Nobody here has mentioned 28th Day and that's just wrong; I know some of you have heard of Barbara Manning.

Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Thursday, 5 September 2013 15:28 (seven years ago) link

Hello, Flower People!

As an unrepentant beaded one, I must share that Michael Quercio has a "Paisley Underground Consortium" radio show. I was very excited to discover this but be warned that it is "paisley" in the broadest sense of the term. Expect to hear more than chiming guitars and tambourines! He plays classical , folk, etc.

We Play House Music (I M Losted), Friday, 6 September 2013 01:17 (seven years ago) link

Oh sorry - p.s. it is on Luxuria Music, which you flower kids should embrace anyway:

We Play House Music (I M Losted), Friday, 6 September 2013 01:18 (seven years ago) link

28th Day is fantastic, I can't believe the Complete Recordings is $50 used on Amazon! Cole Marquis's other work (solo, Downsiders, Snowmen, Sunbirds) all ranges from good to great.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 6 September 2013 01:25 (seven years ago) link

that rainy day record covered a lot of ground for 15 year old me. had never heard rainy day, holocaust, or flying on the ground before that and they're all lovelylovely versions - a gateway to me for some bands

making plans for nyquil (outdoor_miner), Friday, 6 September 2013 01:34 (seven years ago) link

Love 28th Day, but never really thought of them as being PU.

Wandering Boy Poet, Friday, 6 September 2013 12:58 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

An interesting band I never see anything about was The Fool Killers, made up of remnants of True West, who I never thought were particularly paisley to begin with. The live show I saw in the early 90s was supremely psychedelic in a Thin White Rope way.

Low down bad refrigerator (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 17:09 (seven years ago) link

Regarding 'Rainy Day' being "not as good as any of their individual records," I have to disagree as it's probably my favorite in the genre.

Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:23 (seven years ago) link

Except for 'Happy Nightmare Baby'.

Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:47 (seven years ago) link

Interesting bill although I assume Dream Syndicate will consist of more current membership, and I haven't listened to the others in ages.

EYEBALLS: Obviously you kept in touch with Mark and Dennis, but was there ever any effort to put the original lineup back together? Or are Karl (Precoda) and Kendra (Smith) out of music entirely?

WYNN: Neither of them are playing very much. I really have no contact with Karl, and very little with Kendra, so that wasn’t ever a possibility. I have stayed in touch with Paul Cutler, the second guitarist, and we’ve remained really good friends, but he wasn’t interested in doing any kind of reunion or a tour

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:55 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

I don't know too much about True West but the first couple of Russ Tolman solo albums are great aren't they? I particularly like Galveston Mud off the debut (Totem Poles & Glory Holes) and Domino off Earthquake Town.

gotta lol geir (NickB), Thursday, 14 November 2013 23:20 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Just got back from the LA reunion concert. It was fun... for once I wasn't the oldest person in the crowd.

I never saw the Precoda-less Dream Syndicate. Weird seeing them now... wildly furious sound that would put the Replacements to shame, but I miss the unsettled noir sound that made the first album so great. I love that the Three O'Clock is like that part in the Monkees when the camera speeds up. "No Easy Way Down" is still the most mind bending song this whole scene came up with.

The Bangles played a stunningly gorgeous cover of "I'm Waiting For The Man" that merged seamlessly into "Manic Monday." After that Vicki announced "tonight we're playing as The Bangs - nothing later than 1984!" Time travel ensued. They were the best band back then. Certainly the best now.

Noted that during the big finale with everyone + Rodney on stage that no one sang with Wynn.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 7 December 2013 11:59 (seven years ago) link

so jealous

kel's vintage port (electricsound), Saturday, 7 December 2013 12:03 (seven years ago) link


I was all set to see the Dream Syndicate this year, but I didn't have a ticket and there were only a few left on the door, and my bus got stuck in traffic on the way there, so it was sold out by the time I got there :'(

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 7 December 2013 12:06 (seven years ago) link

Forgot all about this, but I suppose it sold out soon after going on sale in October.

nickn, Monday, 9 December 2013 02:11 (seven years ago) link

Erm... it wasn't a sellout. I bought my ticket the day before.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 9 December 2013 05:41 (seven years ago) link

Now I'm double-bummed.

nickn, Monday, 9 December 2013 07:35 (seven years ago) link

Rain Parade:

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 06:22 (seven years ago) link

Dream Syndicate:

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 06:22 (seven years ago) link

Three O'Clock

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 06:22 (seven years ago) link


Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 06:23 (seven years ago) link


Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 06:23 (seven years ago) link

Oh … I didn't know about this. Not that I could have gone. But when I interviewed the PU bands earlier this year, I said to them all: why don't you do a package show? And they all went … Yeah, we should! That would be great! Maybe this was the result …

Unsettled defender (ithappens), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 09:31 (seven years ago) link

four years pass...

2cd Suspects anthology set

Stevolende, Sunday, 1 April 2018 16:03 (three years ago) link

six months pass...

Quercio is MAGA per his own FB

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 01:20 (two years ago) link

Bangles lineup for this is original four piece with Annette Zilinskas.

timellison, Thursday, 11 October 2018 04:34 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

I came here to say I really like the 3x4 album but now because of this thread I've looked at Quercio's Facebook page and it made me a little sad. Not so much his politics, which are scattershot, but just he seems like a doofus.

Good album tho.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 23 February 2019 04:32 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

ET, are you catching these Rain Parade recordings that are going up on D1me at the moment? A couple I've never seen before.

Maresn3st, Saturday, 1 May 2021 21:53 (one week ago) link

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