"Eleanor Rigby"- Your thoughts please...

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Clearly this song is from another level of pop music all together. That cannot be argued. But I am sure some of you will try. What was the inspiration behind this one? And that goes for the words and the George Martin's haungting string arrangement.

-carlos nyc

Carlos Ramirez (Carlos Ramirez), Friday, 21 November 2003 07:48 (sixteen years ago) link

That cannot be argued.

Oh, it will be. (shakes head sadly)

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 21 November 2003 07:54 (sixteen years ago) link

(I actually like this song, btw.)

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 21 November 2003 07:54 (sixteen years ago) link

I do know that the string arrangement wasn't in the song from the beginning -- it was originally a conventional guitar-bass-drums number until someone had the idea to try it in a completely different style.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 21 November 2003 07:57 (sixteen years ago) link

What makes this song another level in pop music?!?!?!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 21 November 2003 08:06 (sixteen years ago) link

the "haunting strings," of course!

(when are strings not "haunting?")

hstencil, Friday, 21 November 2003 08:07 (sixteen years ago) link

JIGS?!?!?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 21 November 2003 08:08 (sixteen years ago) link

disco to thread

oops (Oops), Friday, 21 November 2003 08:08 (sixteen years ago) link

well yeah! But that ruins my whole argument!

(I was kidding of course, about the cliche of "haunting strings".)

hstencil, Friday, 21 November 2003 08:09 (sixteen years ago) link

But they often are!

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 21 November 2003 08:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Completely off point, I encourage you to take the stereo mix and kill the channel with Macca's lead vocal. You then will only hear the chorus and the strings. Cool.

Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Friday, 21 November 2003 08:12 (sixteen years ago) link

To say that string arrangements in pop songs are always haunting is very foolish.

Carlos Ramirez (Carlos Ramirez), Friday, 21 November 2003 08:32 (sixteen years ago) link

One of the Beatles' very best and proves that Macca is indeed a truly great songwriter.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 21 November 2003 09:50 (sixteen years ago) link

*was* great I think you mean... exhibit a) macca's solo career

steve, Friday, 21 November 2003 10:01 (sixteen years ago) link

have to say... the zoot's version of "eleanor rigby" takes it to another level... perhaps not one the original composers had in mind, but another level nonetheless. ;-)

steve, Friday, 21 November 2003 10:02 (sixteen years ago) link

I would guess George Martin played an important part.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 November 2003 11:10 (sixteen years ago) link


she's leaving home p-sses all over it.

piscesboy, Friday, 21 November 2003 12:19 (sixteen years ago) link

which was Mike Leander, fact fans...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 21 November 2003 12:31 (sixteen years ago) link

"it was originally a conventional guitar-bass-drums number"

That is a version I would like to hear, if it exists.

earlnash, Friday, 21 November 2003 13:32 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd rather listen to "Walk Away Renee."

John Fredland (jfredland), Friday, 21 November 2003 13:33 (sixteen years ago) link

This song only has two chords and yet seems more complicated than most other Beatles songs. P-Mac's melody is very good, but I think the reason this song is famous is because of George Martin's arrangement. One of my fave Beatle songs.

dleone (dleone), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I would say it has a bit more than two chords. The bass only has two chords, but the rest of the backing track has at least 4 different ones.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link

it's a simple arrangement but i think puff daddy produced it? at first i was going to refute the notion that this song took pop to new levels. that claim seems lame or whatever, like dude would think that cuz there are minor chords and hardhitting strings. but that might be right

FUCK THE BEATLES!?!?

asfdzxc (asfdzxc), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link

It's my favorite song ever to come from the mind of Macca. Usually his story-songs great on my nerves like really bad not-funny cartoons, but this one does really well to convey the sort of longing hopelessness of loneliness, as well as the irony of it.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link

*was* great I think you mean... exhibit a) macca's solo career

Can someone please tell me why Paul McCartney's post-Beatles output gets quite so much shit? I mean, I'm not about to dive to Partridgean "the band the Beatles could've been" depths, but I do like a fair whack of Wings's stuff...am I hearing different racords to the hataz or what?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link

sad in a cheesy kind of way, but luvly nevertheless. very tasteful arrangement on that one.

Jay Kid (Jay K), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Can someone please tell me why Paul McCartney's post-Beatles output gets quite so much shit?

Because he has never been the archetypical rock rebel. McCartney is a very boring and straight person, not an outsider in any way, just a typical English middle-class-citizen with a musical talent. The only "rebellious" thing about him is his marijuana smoking, but most rock stars do stronger drugs than that.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:53 (sixteen years ago) link

the doodles weaver cover wipes the floor with the original.

disco donut (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Too short.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link

it's length (and the feeling of compression i get from it) renders it kind of trite for me. another few bpm and it could be the fucking residents.

x-post.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:59 (sixteen years ago) link

there's a track on the United States of America record that is a TOTAL ripoff of eleanor rigby.

j fail (cenotaph), Friday, 21 November 2003 16:28 (sixteen years ago) link

It's a great mid 60s pop song, like 'Ruby Tuesday' or 'Waterloo Sunset'.
But it's no more than that. (I've seen ppl claim it as great poetry or symphonic masterpiece or acute social commentary, and it's just not.)

Pete S, Friday, 21 November 2003 16:36 (sixteen years ago) link

i love it,especially the instrumental version off the anthology

robin (robin), Friday, 21 November 2003 16:38 (sixteen years ago) link

"wearing her face that she keeps in a jar by the door" is a pretty stunning image.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 21 November 2003 19:17 (sixteen years ago) link

No, Geir, it is actually only two chords (Em and C). Passing tones in individual string voices don't constitute new chords.

dleone (dleone), Friday, 21 November 2003 21:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Ray Charles version, which is, of course, delicious.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 21 November 2003 21:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Geir's favourite two-chord song, then?

man, Friday, 21 November 2003 21:44 (sixteen years ago) link

The bass isn't important, a chord consists of more notes than just one. I'll definitely say it has more than 2 chords.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link

twice

dleone (dleone), Saturday, 22 November 2003 00:16 (sixteen years ago) link

twelve years pass...

The thing about "Eleanor Rigby" isn't the number of chords (two), it is the number of tempi (two). Starting off in a rather square 4/4, it achieves a very strong 2/4 feel by the time the "jar at the door" line comes around. Then again, that is a trademark of most Puff Daddy productions.

anatol_merklich, Sunday, 21 February 2016 13:21 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

Kind of reminds me of 60s Bee Gees.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:24 (one week ago) link

hahahaha this is awesome

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:13 (six days ago) link

I can't stop listening to it tbh.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:14 (six days ago) link

eleanor stravinsky

sleight return (voodoo chili), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:56 (six days ago) link

Makes me think of Cicieraga's Love Shack/Theme from Psycho mashup. Which is a good thing

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:03 (six days ago) link

OK, so this seems to be a thing people are doing on YouTube, but it's usually all on one note.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:08 (six days ago) link

"Eye of the Tiger" (the vocals are all E) is quite funny:

https://www.youtu.be.com/watch?v=qdTPdig3A9U

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:09 (six days ago) link

"Take on Me" is horrible though, it sounds like me singing.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:17 (six days ago) link

Bohemian Rhapsody is a completely different, quite interesting, song.

https://www.youtu.be.com/watch?v=fjQD5nIrK7c

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:25 (six days ago) link

I'm a big fan of people switching songs from minor keys to major keys, like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVehv_LDWaE

Or this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6KmiIq2-m8

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:25 (six days ago) link

Kind of reminds me of 60s Bee Gees.
otm

Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:30 (six days ago) link

OMG, "Africa"!

https://www.youtu.be.com/watch?v=DBy0woewyAU

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:33 (six days ago) link

Thanks, I am now down the rabbit hole. Africa but every word is in alphabetical order! YMCA but every other beat is missing!

a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:48 (six days ago) link

That link doesn’t seem to work, at least here in the US.

Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:54 (six days ago) link

Not sure where Tom.D is copying them from but just remove the dot between youtu and be.

a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:56 (six days ago) link

Or right. sometimes it works with that but seem to be in some kind of mixed format there.

Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:58 (six days ago) link

That contorted Toto version sounds like The Residents or The Thinking Fellers.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:59 (six days ago) link

The thing is, as I've quickly found out, there's dozens of these out there.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:07 (six days ago) link

.. dozens? Hundreds probably.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:08 (six days ago) link

If I'd never heard the original "Smells Like Teen Spirit" then the one up there would sound not exactly good but perfectly acceptable.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:10 (six days ago) link

God help me now I'm trapped in the major to minor and vice versa wormhole

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:17 (six days ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfTjz6emd7c

pomenitul, Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:17 (six days ago) link

Somebody should do Scelsi but put lots of notes in.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:18 (six days ago) link

The Nirvana one definitely seems not to be the original recorded material shifted, there's some funny re-recordings to my ears, esp on the solos.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:55 (six days ago) link

The REM one is great tho, sounds like a Reckoning track.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:56 (six days ago) link

Yes to both of those.

Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:58 (six days ago) link

REM track just sounds like an even more boring than usual REM track to me.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:00 (six days ago) link

i appreciate the sheer computing power turned to these ends

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:02 (six days ago) link

Ahah. Yeah the R.E.M and Nirvana would be perfectly acceptable songs, if not hits.
The Beatles one is AMAZING. Love it !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 22 May 2020 10:52 (five days ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szFwVzg5BzE

i like this one

ufo, Friday, 22 May 2020 11:12 (five days ago) link

"Love Me Do" in alphabetical order:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy2jLaooyiU

In that vein, "of Oz the Wizard":

https://vimeo.com/150423718

The 4 1/2 minutes segment of breaths and gasps that is "hhh" makes for a hyperventilated condensing of the film all by itself.

Hideous Lump, Saturday, 23 May 2020 06:13 (four days ago) link

Did they ever do "Happy" but in major chords?

Bcause it seems to me to be mostly minor. Unless its major 7 or some such..

Mark G, Saturday, 23 May 2020 12:01 (four days ago) link

No, Geir, it is actually only two chords (Em and C). Passing tones in individual string voices don't constitute new chords.
― dleone (dleone), Friday, November 21, 2003 4:16 PM bookmarkflaglink

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Ray Charles version, which is, of course, delicious.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, November 21, 2003 4:30 PM bookmarkflaglink

Geir's favourite two-chord song, then?
― man, Friday, November 21, 2003 4:44 PM bookmarkflaglink

The bass isn't important, a chord consists of more notes than just one. I'll definitely say it has more than 2 chords.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, November 21, 2003 6:19 PM bookmarkflaglink

twice
― dleone (dleone), Friday, November 21, 2003 7:16 PM bookmarkflaglink

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 May 2020 13:14 (four days ago) link

it's easy to make a good song sound horrible, not so easy to make a horrible song sound good

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 23 May 2020 14:38 (four days ago) link

Chop Suey!/Crocodile Rock mashup or gtfo

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 23 May 2020 15:26 (four days ago) link

But the years went by, and the rock just died
Suzy didn't trust my self-righteous suicide
Long nights crying by the record machine
Father, why have you forsaken me

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 May 2020 15:32 (four days ago) link

very nice, but the thing I mentioned exists on YouTube and is glorious

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 23 May 2020 15:33 (four days ago) link

WHAT

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 May 2020 15:33 (four days ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR0gOEyK6Tg

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 23 May 2020 15:34 (four days ago) link

wow, it fits better than I expected.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 May 2020 15:36 (four days ago) link

Good Day Sunshine, shifted into minor key & lyrics changed to suit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TNPUZP9nrY

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 23 May 2020 16:19 (four days ago) link


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