Taking Sides: Mayhem v. Burzum

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Musically speaking, was Count Grisnakh of Burzum right to murder Euronymous of Mayhem?

More broadly, is the music of either of these bands in any way worth tracking down? that book "Lords of Chaos" about the bonkers Norwegian Black Metal scene mentions that as well as doing grunt grunt heavy metal they both went in for quite affecting ambient music. Has anyone heard any of this?

The Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

varg vikernes is a big asshole with ridiculous pagan/nazi beliefs. may he rot in jail forever.

however, musically, i reckon burzum is the one to go with. early mayhem (& burzum) is pleasingly crude, but later burzum albums like _filosofem_ and _hvis lyset tar oss_ are excellent and surprisingly developed.

_filosofem_ relies on ultra-fuzzed guitars for the most part, with blurring chords maintained as drones with chord variations creating subtle melodies. there are depressive little keyboard bits in the background on occasion, and one really long synth piece in a kind of 70s tangerine dream style (which is for some reason popular with black metal people - witness fenriz' of darkthrone's neptune towers project).

_hvis lyset tar oss_ is a transit between the faster/rawer earlier material and _filosofem_, with fast, heavily repetitive riffs that veer into a kind of bastard minimalism.

if you're looking for a good entry into black metal with no discernible dubious political/religious baggage, i recommend weakling's _dead as dreams_ on tumult, which seems to have a heavy burzum influence, musically.

your null fame, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Most Burzum albums are just ritual new-age nonsense. Mayhem's survived death and tragedy a lot healthier than Metallica or Def Leppard; they've never made a bad album.

Kris, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Burzum, definitely. Much Mayhem sounds cheesy to me - both early and their new stuff. No wonder so many people I know call them Gayhem. Det Som Engang Var and Hvis Lyset Tar Oss = "THE SHIT"!

Kodanshi, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

why the fuck are they letting the count make shitty new age stuff in jail. it's torture for us to listen to when he should be the one in pain. btw..the book was great.

kevin enas, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
Obviously, Euronymous had the biggest part in the developement of the nordic metal scene, whether he was exaggerating or not. On the other hand both bands made killer records and both bands nowadays suck bigtime! My conclusion is thus; Varg killed Euronymous out of jealousy (perhapse false, perhapse rightious). And if Varg didn't kill Euronymous, both bands would continue to make great albums. And the whole of the black metal scene didn't explode like it did. My verdict: Varg Vikernes is responsible for black metal to became trendy, something that I strongly detest!

mortifer, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

why the fuck are they letting the count make shitty new age stuff in jail. it's torture for us to listen to when he should be the one in pain. btw..the book was great.

A classic insight.

Though Varg Vikernes is a total asshole -- apparently was asleep when they were talking about Quisling that day in Norwegian history -- I also have to go with Burzum.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 8 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Dimmu Borgir, anyone? hee!

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 8 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...
I have to go with Burzum. Euronymous was nothing he was made out to be. Mayhem are far to cheesy for me, whoever called Mayhem Gayhem was right. Euro may have brought black metal onto it's feet but i still believe that burzum was the real shit. It was turly dark and depressing with a strangly beuatiful ambient air about it. Anyway Varg's receant stuff is turly beautiful if you like that sory of thing. Oh yeah, so what if Varg's made black metal "trendy?" music is music and if you really like something it shouldn't matter if it's trendy, Right! BURZUM!!!!

Amanda McIndoe, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I find it amusing that this question still gets occasional replies.

Calling Mayhem Gayhem, excellent. Well, actually, I find it a bit distasteful, given that Mr Vikernes cited Mr Euronymous' homosexuality and sexual deviance as an excuse for killing him.

The Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

MAYHEM! Esp. the live stuff.

dave q, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I think that Vikernes must die. This is the law of Tallion, the law of the satanist. You will pay for that.

Cernounos, Friday, 9 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

i think MayheM is much better than burzum period. Burzum does have some good songs; like war,and my journey to the stars , but he deserves to rott in Jail...All in all MayheM is Much Better Than BURZUM

Count Caligula, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

the only threads to attract posters from outside "the fold" are the metal and hiphop ones. can we make this one as crazy as "janet vs. maddy"?

jess, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

BURZUM! MAYHEM SUCKS EXCEPT FOR HELLHAMMER, EURONYMOUS IS A FAG WELL A DEAD ONE AND BURZUM STILL KICKS ARSE! VARG IS ALLOWED TO EXPRESS HIS VIEWS AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE WELL STIFF SHIT!

BURZUM FAN, Sunday, 18 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Personally, i like both, and i don't agree with either political views. Burzum and Mayhem both created an atmosphere, and successfully created something expressive, and therefore, made true art. Hellhammer was a great drummer, and Varg has a knack for making simplified music that only shows the Form of something. For those of you familiar with Plato's theory of Forms, it seems to me, that burzum suceeded with showing the Form:dark/twisted/etc. New burzum now, is not as good as the old, definitely, but, it still retains the varg habit of expressing a Form. In all of Burzum's music, you have to use your imagination to complete it. In this way, he encourages you to think about the concepts expressed, rather than just listen along and have a good time. As per his new stuff, you really have to fill in the gaps alot. Try to imagine the music as played with a real orchestra, with some varying first violin sections that complement the rhythmic/base-melodic structures given on the album...the album only gives you the rhythm and base melody, your mind has to fill in the harmony and such, and thus make it a complete work. Mayhem's de mysteriis album, in my opinion, conveys a feeling of hauntingly cold evil, for that, i must say that i like it, alot. Hellhammer is definitely one of the best drummers that i have ever heard, and thus he lends to Mayhem a strong rhythmic sense that is one of the essential elements of music. Mayhem's new work is quite nice as well, but, i think that their best work is still yet to come.

Relgaedh, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

i think you're all fucking nuts!

jaz, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
Here are some facts. Varg= insane musical genius; Euronymous= Satanist who liked money; No one knows exactly why Varg did it, who really cares? I think Varg is much more creative that Euro ever could have been. Oh and I doubt Varg will "rot in jail", since he only got a 21 year sentence. Damn, if I ever want to start killing ppl i'm moving to Norway...

Goreshovel, Monday, 24 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
mayhem was the shittiest of the early black metal bands in the norwegian scene and even though they have hell hammer they still sucked, BUT they now are a very good example of black metal. varg however has always been the leader in the movement, his albums (even his newer ones) are a shining example of what the true ideology of black metal is and was and should still be today. but now you have poloshed commercial crap like cradle of filth and dimmu borgir, or whatever the fuck they are called have diluted the scene with thier bubblegum pinkmetal. varg is and was a visionary, he is perhaps the best most talented blackmetal musician out there next to ihsahn of course. so therefore i would have to take the side of varg.

azur gungnir, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...
I guess Varg seemed more justifying cuz i guess Euro was probably eventually gonna kill him, altho i have to say Varg himself was a pretty susceptible liar (as he would sometimes twist his stories). Nonetheless, Varg was in all respects much truer than Euro, as he lived up to his image, music, and ideology unlike Euro! My final impression on both: Varg was always serious about his intentions and was a truly fearless person, while Euro seemed more like a down-to-earth normal guy who was never the grim person he claimed to be (seems to me like a poser!); He had big dreams but never lived up to them, altho i give him credit for spawning the black circle. The only way I see Varg nagatively is in his closed-mindness and extremity (some of his views i accept), and maybe also he should have waited for daylight to confront Euro and not "stab him in the back" in the middle of the night (altho if Euro really did plan on killing him then i believe he deserved it!)

Epos, Monday, 30 December 2002 08:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I do love the way this thread is periodically googled by mentalists.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 30 December 2002 11:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Taking Sides: Mayhem Vs. Burzum"

The correct answer to this question is Darkthrone. Alternate answers which count include, but are not limited to; Emperor, Arcturus, Clandestine Blaze, Red Harvest, Dodheimsgard, Beherit, Immortal, Noctuary, and, because they're the answer to every question which involves Norway, Turbonegro.

-
Alan

Alan Conceicao, Tuesday, 31 December 2002 02:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

wake up you faggots, talking shit and taking sides (to who does it matter?) about people you personally did not meet, did not even hear about. What Count really hates is the fact that all you burzum supporters behave the same way the media does and really attribute to make it even bigger trend. I personally know both bands deserve respect musically no matter what happened. If Count is a nazi, so what? real bm means destruction and if you can't cope with that then you're in the wrong place.

doesitmatter, Sunday, 12 January 2003 01:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"I do love the way this thread is periodically googled by mentalists."

Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 12 January 2003 13:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I wish Vikernes talked like a pro wrestler about himself: "What the Count thinks is that Norweigan culture has a purity to it that needs to be preserved, and that's all the Count has to say about that!" And a punch line by which to indicate that he's finished with his thought, like "Black metal....brother!" or maybe "Soul power!"

J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Sunday, 12 January 2003 14:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

This interview of Tony "It" Sarkka and Varg "Count Grishnackh" Vikernes has been floating around on the net for a while, but it's too good not to post it here:


(20.4.98) We arrived at the gates of Trondheim prison by noon-time.
Admission was granted easily and we've made our way
from the guard post to, what appears to be, an interrogation cell.
Sterile and white. It is like a hospital lobby room. It and
myself, with the inevitable company of Hans... the smug officer who
will over-see this interview, await Varg's entrance. Soon it
comes.

IT: Hello friend! Good to see you! And nice is your outfit!
VARG: Greetings, friend. They give only the best styles for me to make my selections from in this fashion house!

(We all, aside from Hans, laugh.)

IT: Well, having only a short time to conduct this interview, I say we start.
VARG: As long as you don't mind me munching on some prunes whilst we
talk...

IT: No problem... if you'd have told me they give you such foul
snacks, I could have brought you some peanuts. Maybe next
time, eh?
VARG: Huh? Oh! No, I eat these with purpose. I've been having some
problems with bowel movements and I was told this
fruit can ease my suffering a bit. They seem to be keeping my
intestines in order....

(Varg offers a prune to It and myself, then sits the small bag on the
table next to his chair.)

IT: So, the new BURZUM album has been received with mixed thoughts by
the black metal community at large. Have you received any feedback that you'd like to speak out about?
VARG: Well, that album was beyond anything that the general black
metal audience could comprehend. You see, the average "elite black metal" record buyer is actually some fat assed, greasy fingered American looser without the ability to meet females of his own species... or perhaps some feeble spined, thin haired, prepubescent Scandinavian dimwit with an over zealous interest in Dungeons and Dragons imagery. The opinions of these kinds of lower level primates do not interest me.

IT: I thought your new LP sounded like a bad tape recording of an
ATARI 2600 game machine being played through Mr. Microphone while submerged in monkey semen.
VARG: True! To be honest, all of BURZUM's past works have that similar sound. That is why I have abandoned, totally, all forms of audible sound.. music, if you like... as a way of expressing my ideas.

IT: And what is that you'd put your efforts into now?
VARG: The designation of the placement of items... furniture, drapes,
colors of paint to be used, wallpaper... inside the home. Creative inner-home decoration. It is a true art that, until being here, I did not realize I possessed.

IT: You plan to be an interior decorator?
VARG: Laugh if you will... but the re-creation of historic Nordic
room layout styles and ancient home decoration is a dying art that must be upheld.

IT: Um... on an art-related topic, something I have always wondered
about the cover of BURZUM's "Filosofem" LP.. was that...?
VARG: Ha ha ha! Yes it was... inspired by the fourth LED ZEPPELIN
album cover! That was a point in my life, my freedom having just been taken from me, that I was thinking in strange ways. That entire first year in Oslo... I would sit in my cell and fantasize about what it must have been like to be Jimmy Page... the adoration and lust of all those sticky thighed highschool girls... tight skirts pulled up over their... er, um... and um...well, it just came through in my work as well.

IT: So you dig LED ZEPPELIN?
VARG: Well... yes. As for your question... the man in the ZEPPELIN
cover is Yrgnoth Sloob, the "Stick Hauler" of Nordic mytholody. For BURZUM's cover, in a way of tribute, I selected a picture of Helga Hob, "The Horn Blower". As the ledgends tell, these two were both very silly... but very sexual people. How this related to blackmetal, I forget now.

(A second prison guard enters the room and discretely delivers a
verbal message to Hans. He visually surveys the occupants of
the room, then leaves.)

HANS: Vikernes, you have a phone call... long distance from the United States. Some guy named Lou... something about a half
gallon of rubber cement and a chicken?
VARG: I'll speak with this person later... privately.

(The interview continues...)

IT: Do you think, were things different then they are now, that BURZUM would have ever opened for VONDUR? Seeing as how both bands were and shall never be full musical units... just given some hypothetical leeway for discussion's sake...
VARG: I think I would rather rip out my teeth with telephone repair
tools! VONDUR is not, nor ever was, true!

(An uneasy silence falls over the room. Varg and It share a hateful glare. Hans does not look up from his newspaper, but has a loud sip of coffee. The slurping sound breaks the foul, silent air and the interview continues.)

IT: And you think nazi Euro-Pop is true?
VARG: Have you come all this way to insult me?! I was sent here because I was true enough to act on my hatred for the weak! From what I have gathered by my correspondence with those still involved in the blackmetal scene, you have skipped town...jumped ship... given up the unholy fight!

IT: Ha! Little do they know! I have only regrouped... I'm out in the
hills grinding my ax, so to speak. I'm preparing for the final war!
VARG: And what would this be?

IT: My newest, and most foul creation... the blackest, most blackened
elite and eternally pitch-dark blackest of all ultra-black blackmetal...
VARG: Which is?

IT: TRUE!
VARG: Huh? The name of the band is TRUE? I don't believe it...

IT: I am It and only I am truly true.
VARG: Get out of here...

(Both rise and face each other, like some ancient warring tyrants..perched at the brink of battle. Hans, however, has other plans.)

HANS: Sit down, both of you! If you're going to act like children,
I'll have to separate you...

(Varg takes his seat, but It remains standing. Hans offers a
solution.)

HANS: If you have just got to carry on like this... I guess I could
turn a blind eye to an arm wrestling match. But keep it short.

(It and Varg take the traditional arm wrestling position and I serve
as referee. Putting my own hand over the two clasped hands of these once great blackmetal warlords, I must fight back tears of
pride. Even in such a lost age... an age of perfumed porcelain, plush pink apolstery, plastic plates, and pathetic personal primping apparatus... these two warriors would engage in battle..)

IT: Bow before me, dog... for the glory of all that which is true and
elite...
VARG: As the gods of my forefathers look down upon me and smile, I
shall know victory...

IT: ...and elite and black truest elite and....
VARG: ...for the fallen warriors and those that shall sign praises to
Odin up on high....

This is where the transcript ends. We can only guess as to what Varg,
It, Og, and Hans bore witness to on that day. The winner? Who won the title of undisputedly truest black elite?

We may never know.

Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 12 January 2003 17:23 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
Most of you people are retards! BURZUM is awesome. If you cannot find that originality that I find in Burzum, then you better don't listen to his music. And if you think you listen to Burzum cause he killed some fag or just cause everyone else listens, then that is utter stupidity. We're talking about music here and not politics here duh.

Wulfnacht, Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

>>I wish Vikernes talked like a pro wrestler about himself: "What the Count thinks is that Norweigan culture has a purity to it that needs to be preserved, and that's all the Count has to say about that!" And a punch line by which to indicate that he's finished with his thought, like "Black metal....brother!" or maybe "Soul power!" <<

"What's your band's name?"

"We're called Bloo..."

"IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME IS"

Someone must photoshop Varg with a raised eyebrow.

-quite fearful of the metal kids screeching "poseur"...or not-
Alan

Alan Conceicao, Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...
i can't believe i wasted my time reading all of this shit. fucking retarded. while mayhem and burzum both contributed a great deal to black metal, i doubt anyone here has the right to pass judgement on either varg or euronymous, having never met either one of them. keep the discussion to the music, please. anyone professing to know a single thing about the interpersonal relations between these two men in norway, ten years ago, hasn't a fucking clue. "deathcrush" and "de mysteriis dom sathanas" are fucking great in their own respects, all other mayhem albums are a fucking disgrace. as for burzum, the first four burzum albums are classic. you don't just listen to burzum, you experience it. that it what makes burzum special.

in closing, what does it matter what side someone takes? it is a dead issue. the time for taking sides ended in august of 1993, probably before many of you even knew of the existance of mayhem or burzum. grow up.

_DEAD_, Friday, 19 September 2003 14:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I've met Varg

Satan, Friday, 19 September 2003 19:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mayhem, because Euronymous' younger brother was in my high school class. (fact) :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 19 September 2003 20:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Wow! Geir, you just got cooler!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 20 September 2003 04:02 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
Why is it all you people do is complain bunch of bickering women non sense!

Blitzkrieg Assault, Thursday, 30 October 2003 04:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Goreshovel to thread!!!

scott seward, Thursday, 30 October 2003 04:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

They are not the true eternal followers of the black metal, who do not drink the piss of their brethren!

Borknagar, Thursday, 30 October 2003 04:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i'm all for brotherhood but isn't that taking things a bit far?

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 30 October 2003 04:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

TYPICAL MELBOURNITE

TROUGHMAN (gaz), Thursday, 30 October 2003 04:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

*flees*

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 30 October 2003 04:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Count Caligula to thread!!!

scott seward, Thursday, 30 October 2003 04:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Speaking of Melbourne, Satan and Hell, I once dreamed that the Devil was sitting opposite me at a large banquet table. Between us were several large golden goblets. He smiled at me and said, 'You have to go to Melbourne, becuase you're too clever'.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Thursday, 30 October 2003 04:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

and you are only allowed to take sophie ellis bextor records with you! i've had that same dream.

scott seward, Thursday, 30 October 2003 04:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

haha great thread
its like the jayz nas thread but with death
where is that interview from siegbran?
and would you recommend the book dv?

robin (robin), Thursday, 30 October 2003 05:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

They are not the true eternal followers of the black metal, who do not drink the piss of their brethren!

paul ledney to thread!

your null fame (yournullfame), Thursday, 30 October 2003 05:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Why is Dirty Vicar asking this? He is a christian fuck. We hate Christians. They must not be allowed pollute the Black Metal scene.

SatanicZombieFucker, Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
I hate to take sides, but I am slightly in favor of Burzum. Varg is a brilliant individual and a huge inspiration to me. Those who call him a coward have no idea the horrors he's faced, the threats he recieves constantly, and his intelligence. Also, anyone who can escape from prison and when he is caught, be found with a global positioning system, a gas mask and an AG3 is truly fearless.

Paradox Eyeliner, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 19:55 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Asshole Nazi sympathizer.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yeah, but the music...

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

True enough, I just hate these posts by people who profess admiration for someone like Varg Vikernes. I'm not criticizing black metal or even Burzum's music, just the promotion of a racist, jail-breaking murderer as some kind of hero. I mean he may be intelligent and have the courage of his convictions or whatever but he's also clearly nuts. But of course that's the kind of thing that endears him to these losers.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mayhem has testosterone, Burzum brings estrogen, and you need both. Anyone who chooses one to the exclusion of the other will probably end up in a cold jail eating prunes.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

To the person who said Burzum must die because of the law of the Talon, or the Satanist Law, is full of shit. If Euro was not accident prone, and a threat to Varg, Then it never would have happened. Varg simply took the opportunity that any of us would take. To rid ourselves of an enemy. I do support Burzum Musically, and I have heard his own mother say that he has dropped all contact with these Neo-Nazi Organizations. So, if its true, more power to him. I do not support racism, but I do support stratification. The Stronger person individually shall overcome. This doesnt just mean physically. How many members are there in Mayhem? How many in Burzum? The point is, is that a man that can create this beautiful haunting music by himself, is talented.

Damon Kieffer, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i guess i never really took to it so much. but you are right in identifying that era as one where the band were totally inspired and onsong. also 'from the dark past' is an incredible song, both on record and live. i guess my judgment is pretty heavily influenced by the maniac-led phase which never really seemed to stumble on anything really poignant and representative of the potential of the band.

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 15 May 2008 15:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

Musically speaking, was Count Grisnakh of Burzum right to murder Euronymous of Mayhem?

wowwwwww that is undoubtedly the greatest first line of any thread ever!!!

chinchillas they can fit on gorillas, Thursday, 15 May 2008 15:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

it's not like garm battered euronymous to death with a big, novelty-sized styrofoam treble clef

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 15 May 2008 15:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

shit not garm. varg

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 15 May 2008 15:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

Musically speaking, the world would undoubtedly be better off if Garm would've been incarcerated for the last fifteen years instead of Varg.

Siegbran, Friday, 16 May 2008 10:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

this thread was gold

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 26 July 2009 13:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

GARM

kid cruti (roxymuzak), Sunday, 26 July 2009 17:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Mayhem were arrested in Holland for trashing a hotel room. ~$7000 in damage?

http://www.thegauntlet.com/article/530/17274/Members-of-Mayhem-arrested.html

Tourtière (Ówen P.), Monday, 16 November 2009 23:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

hotel rooms in holland are on average smaller than broom closets, can't actually hold 7k worth of paper currency let alone goods

a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 00:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

In TILBURG of all places. Happily Attila wasn't among those taken into custody?

Tourtière (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 02:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

'The suspects remain tied to a compensation of the damage dealt.'

moley, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 02:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

When I go to Roadburn next spring, I'm going to stay in that exact room.

Nate Carson, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 03:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

This is one of the best threads on ILM.

The "Dear Vargy" letter had me in tears.

Wally P. Doyle, Thursday, 11 November 2010 05:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

bubblegum pinkmetal.

sarahel, Thursday, 11 November 2010 06:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

Euronymous vs. Varg Vikernes?
Fake evil vs. true evil?

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 11 November 2010 13:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

if it is fake evil vs. true evil obviously i am going to have to go with true.

but tho i have heard so little mayhem (deathcrush and the live album), they are totally way better than burzum musically i would say. they write real songs that are listenable, rather than epic, moody statements, like all burzum albums.

marc iv, Thursday, 11 November 2010 17:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

Black metal=fake evil
Murder and nazi sympathies=true evil

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 11 November 2010 17:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

(Hopefully most black metal fans prefer the former)

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 11 November 2010 17:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

were the posters really random googlers or just moley?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, 19 February 2011 00:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Musically speaking, was Count Grisnakh of Burzum right to murder Euronymous of Mayhem?

when dirty vicar is on form, he's first rate

fuck you jan stepek you kurwa (nakhchivan), Saturday, 19 February 2011 00:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Wasn't there a group that insisted a gypsy foretold that Euronymous had plans to kill Varg, making the killing "self-defense". lols

take yo shirt off, twist it round yo hand, spin it like a helikl0pter (San Te), Saturday, 19 February 2011 00:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

wow, this thread.

Mayhem's first record is pretty good, no?

Neil S, Saturday, 20 August 2011 19:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas is the classic, I have a soft spot for Deathcrush but it's a flawed fuggin' thing.

shining like national dog shit (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 August 2011 21:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

An airline in Norway, mysteriously named Norwegian Air Shuttle, is holding a vote online for people to choose their favorite popular Norwegian individual of cultural or historical importance. The person who gets the most votes will have their image immortalized on the tails of the airplanes to celebrate the company's 10th anniversary. Here's the company's description of the contest if you'd like more information:

"Her kan du blant annet stemme på en av kandidatene som en lokal nominasjonskomite bestående av: Fabian Stang (ordfører), Hans Edvardsen (Bymiljøetaten) og Lars Emil Hansen (Oslo Museum) har nominert. Komitemedlemmene er håndplukket basert på deres lokalkunnskap og engasjement. Se nedover på siden for flere nominerte kandidater. De fem kandidatene med flest stemmer etter at nominasjonsfasen er over, går videre til det endelige valget. Du kan avgi én stemme hver dag i hele nominasjonsfasen som varer frem til 28. mars kl. 23.59."

The late Øystein Aarseth, or as we all knew him, Euronymous of Mayhem, somehow made it onto the polls. The article I read about this on Gun Shy Assassin was posted two days ago, and at the time of that writing, Aarseth was in a bleak 23rd. At the time of this writing, he made it all the way to 5th place. The progress is staggering, and I want this to happen so bad now that I can taste the goat's blood.

To cast your vote, click http://www.halehelter.no/. The website isn't in English

lol make this happen

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gJTlI22JcCA/T24lDBWYP7I/AAAAAAAAAso/gxSkBysmvvI/s1600/19994.jpg

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 01:32 (six years ago) Permalink

just click the heart to vote

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 01:35 (six years ago) Permalink

Hah he's already in first place.

I will transmit this information to (Viceroy), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 01:36 (six years ago) Permalink

EURONYMOOSE

I will transmit this information to (Viceroy), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 01:37 (six years ago) Permalink

When it's cold

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 01:38 (six years ago) Permalink

And when it's dark

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 01:38 (six years ago) Permalink

Norwegian Air

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 01:39 (six years ago) Permalink

Will express you

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 01:39 (six years ago) Permalink

when they refuse to use it, metal press will make a fuss and national mainstream media will catch on and = free publicity.

Although you never know in Norway, they might put him on it, lol.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 02:44 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

call me uninformed (which i am), but mayhem Live in Leipzig is way more METAL than what I have heard of Burzum

Dominique, Friday, 10 May 2013 16:54 (five years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id9FarV4Rv8

Dominique, Friday, 10 May 2013 16:54 (five years ago) Permalink

I know barely anything about metal, but have listened to some first wave norwegian black metal stuff out of curiosity. From that standpoint, I think Burzum is better, or at least more accessible. Jesu Tod just rocks so fucking hard... It's not even eerie demonic sounding to me. Filosofem in general is really "cinematic" and I think anyone can appreciate it basically.

whiskey and ice cream sandwiches (Treeship), Friday, 10 May 2013 17:13 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

http://pitchfork.com/advance/451-esoteric-warfare/

^ new mayhem

j., Monday, 2 June 2014 17:24 (four years ago) Permalink

mayhem was the shittiest of the early black metal bands in the norwegian scene and even though they have hell hammer they still sucked, BUT they now are a very good example of black metal. varg however has always been the leader in the movement, his albums (even his newer ones) are a shining example of what the true ideology of black metal is and was and should still be today. but now you have poloshed commercial crap like cradle of filth and dimmu borgir, or whatever the fuck they are called have diluted the scene with thier bubblegum pinkmetal. varg is and was a visionary, he is perhaps the best most talented blackmetal musician out there next to ihsahn of course. so therefore i would have to take the side of varg.
― azur gungnir, Wednesday, January 30, 2002 8:00 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Neanderthal, Thursday, 12 June 2014 22:29 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Live in Leipzig is so fucking good

Also Esoteric Warfare is pretty good.

bulbs in the VU meters of God (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 09:03 (two years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

heh, this thread

Three days left to vote in ILM Lifetime heavy Rock & Metal Poll (Cosmic Slop), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 19:06 (two years ago) Permalink

If you can get past the edgy cover photo, Dawn of the Black Hearts actually sounds better than Leipzig--rawer but more bottom end and way less sterile. (Audience recording rather than straight through the soundboard.) That version of Freezing Moon sounds so unbelievably malefic.

Post-Euronymous Mayhem should go away.

punksishippies, Saturday, 10 September 2016 17:59 (two years ago) Permalink

To the person who said Burzum must die because of the law of the Talon, or the Satanist Law, is full of shit. If Euro was not accident prone, and a threat to Varg, Then it never would have happened. Varg simply took the opportunity that any of us would take. To rid ourselves of an enemy. I do support Burzum Musically, and I have heard his own mother say that he has dropped all contact with these Neo-Nazi Organizations. So, if its true, more power to him. I do not support racism, but I do support stratification. The Stronger person individually shall overcome. This doesnt just mean physically. How many members are there in Mayhem? How many in Burzum? The point is, is that a man that can create this beautiful haunting music by himself, is talented.

Neanderthal, Saturday, 10 September 2016 19:28 (two years ago) Permalink

Post-Euronymous Mayhem should go away.

oh, you

Neanderthal, Saturday, 10 September 2016 19:28 (two years ago) Permalink

Acting entitled about bands we like is sort of an arrogant internet thing and I try to avoid it but this band's early stuff is special to me, I can't help it. I just don't feel any spirit in any of the new stuff. Hellhammer (or whoever does his triggers) after the mid 90s might have the worst drum sound in metal :/

punksishippies, Saturday, 10 September 2016 20:04 (two years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Got tix for DMDS at St Vitus next month. Expecting insanity.

Mayhem is the answer btw, pretty easily

Dominique, Friday, 20 January 2017 14:39 (one year ago) Permalink

i'm going to ATL in Feb to see that - $12 on Megabus round trip.

was supposed to see this same set at MDF and got drunk and missed it

Neanderthal, Friday, 20 January 2017 14:49 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I do love the way this thread is periodically googled by mentalists.

― DV (dirtyvicar),

registration killed off the random mentalist googler. Same happened to the dmb thread

Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 00:46 (nine months ago) Permalink

that aforementioned set ruled btw

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 00:49 (nine months ago) Permalink

If Count is a nazi, so what? real bm means destruction and if you can't cope with that then you're in the wrong place.

― doesitmatter, Sunday, January 12, 2003 1:49 AM (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Love this thread so much.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 11:09 (nine months ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Had no idea a former Bathory member was directing this. Varg might not be happy with this portrayal by the sounds of it.
https://www.blackgate.com/2018/09/26/fantasia-2018-day-22-part-5-lords-of-chaos/

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 7 October 2018 13:36 (two months ago) Permalink


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