Search And Destroy: Lou Reed

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Another thread we used to get great play from on a.m.a. was "Search And Destroy". The idea being that you would take a band or artist of some general repute, and suggest the one record (or track or whatever) that interested parties should SEARCH for, and the one that you would like to see DESTROYed. Geddit? Anyway, Uncle Lou, over to you.

Tom, Thursday, 1 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll have to cheat on the search part: search for the first two Velvets albums (yeah I know obvious). Destroy: all his solo albums. All of them, master? All of them...no mercy!

Omar, Thursday, 1 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Live in Italy Destroy: "Hot Hips"

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 1 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: The one where he tried to reconcile heavy metal and polymer chemistry (and, accordingly, shut his damn mouth and let technology do all the work)...Micro Machine Molybdenum (A Tribute to David Bowie's Asshole!), I think it was called...

Destroy: "His next one" has generally proven to be the correct answer.

Kris P., Thursday, 1 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh come on, there were a couple of good songs on "Ecstasy". But in your heart, you know it's just... shite. I'd be curious to know what you all think of Metal Machine Music. I haven't heard it, but the other pure noise stuff I've heard (Merzbow, Borbetomagus etc.) can be surprisingly interesting.

Search: White Light, White Heat(!) Destroy: New York. Eeesh.

Dave M., Thursday, 1 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: The transcriptions of Lester Bangs' conversations with Reed in his essay collection. That's the funniest Lou has ever been, if they're accurate.

Bonus Search: I'm always on the lookout for a vinyl copy of Metal Machine Music, naturally.

Destroy: The live album _Take No Prisoners_ is also very funny, but only the first time through. After that's it's extremely annoying.

Mark Richardson, Thursday, 1 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I just need to drive in how very very bad "Hot Hips" is. Created for the soundtrack of the 1985 film, "Perfect" (featuring Jamie Lee Curtis and John Travolta) right in the middle of Lou's hideous Mistrial period (that being the album I would destroy) it features a terrible guitar riff looping while Lou intones "hey hey, hit hit, baby don't you ever stop with those hot hips" over and over and... ick. I have this as a 12" single. "Disco Mystic" at least has a nice guitar workout beneath the dreck.

As for "Live in Italy" this is simply Lou's best live album, featuring the classic Quine/Saunders/Maher lineup.

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 1 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Destroy: Judging by his performance last May at the Albert Hall, any tickets for upcoming performances. I was young (well, 17), impressionable, thought that maybe he might still be some good. how sadly wrong I was. 2 and a half hours of extreme boredom as lou plays, without saying a word, accompanied by a hideously wanky (is that actually a word?) session band thing. and the audience: Oh! Middle aged, office workers...when they clapped a 10 MINUTE GUITAR SOLO I almost had a heart attack. Then, they stood up and clapped along during the encore. However, it must be said that the version of Sweet Jane he played was passable.

Never trust anyone who might be definable as a 'hero'...

Bill

Bill, Thursday, 1 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Live at Alice Tully Hall (bootleg)

Destroy: My Love is Chemical (not as bad as hot hips, but it was already taken)

JM, Friday, 2 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Word Bill! I had exactly the same experience with Lou live some years ago. Somebody gave me a free ticket, so hey let's check out the old Rawk Legend who used to be somebody play in a respectable theater for Real Art...did the motherfucker almost bore me to death with his muso- band and his shite "the first half we're going to play the whole 'Magic & Loss album live". Oohh the wretched sight of middle aged arseholes going mental when he finally played "Sweet Jane".

Omar, Friday, 2 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

SEARCH: Someone once taped me Lou's "I'm-quitting-smack-no-really-I- mean-it-this-time" opus, 'Legendary Hearts', and it's really pretty good. DESTROY: Everything from the mullet years?

stevie troussé, Friday, 2 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

First, "My Love is Chemical" is, I think, on the whole, decent. Lou of course delivers nothing but the vocals, but at least the funk is approaching real, which is more than most of Lou's wannabe funk stuff. Almost has that "Nowhere at all" feel to it. Also may I take this occasion to note that "Growing Up in Public" is Lou's most underrated album, featuring orchestration to rival "Berlin" and featuring classic smart/dumb reed humor.

Sterling Clover, Friday, 2 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

_metal machine music_ is average feedback drone, maybe a 6 out of 10. not nearly as bad as its detractors claim (it does have some nice textures and the locked groove at the end is cool) but too long and too shrill with no major sonic revelations and no attention seemingly paid to large-scale structure. still, i thought it, or at least side c, was pretty impressive when i was 18 and i'd probably still take it over what i've heard of the rest of lou reed's solo work.

sundar subramanian, Monday, 5 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Stevie, you silly thing. 'The Mullet Years' include NEW YORK!!! You'd better not destroy that!

the pinefox, Wednesday, 28 February 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Listen up pOnks. The majority of Reeds solo output is fantastic. The First album, Berlin, Blue Mask, The Bells, New Sensations.

Metal Machine Music was a total Fuck you to the record company, critics and consumers. Rock N Roll suicide. He believed his best work (Berlin) was overlooked while his worst was popular. So to get revenge he decided to make an album truly bad. The concept, cover and joke deserve a 10 out of 10. "My week beats your year." - classic.

Even at his worst (Mistrial), he had a great video of a robot tearing off the latex "flesh" from its face. Magic and Loss can strain one patience but there are truly beautiful moments on that album. Also not a big fan of Growing up in Public, Legendary Hearts, Rock N Roll Heart.

Disco Mystic off of the Bells is great. you can laugh and get down at the same time.

Cash Lone, Sunday, 25 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Search: Take No Prisoners, by far the greatest live album of all time by any artist. It has it all, comedy, drama, farce, brilliant musicianship (see the intro to "I wanna Be Black" Destroy: My head says destroy nothing... but my heart says destroy "Magic and Loss", the most self-indulgent of Reed's works, IMHO. Of course, it was a great way to kill the commercial success he enjoyed following "New York"

BTW, Ecstacy is BRILLIANT... cover to cover... It should be the Number One record of the decade.

Brian Shields, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Since I'm about to pass out (sleep dep. not drink/drugs, thank you) I'll keep it short and sweet :

'Berlin'

Oh, almost fell asleep with just that :

'Berlin'

Anyways...'Berlin' is (in my humble opinion) easily one of Lou's greatest achievements. Side two (in particular) is truly near flawless. And that in and of itself deserves attention from any serious rock/pop music listeners ears.

michael g. breece, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"truly near flawless": what mean? (what's a FLAW to you?) .
"that in and of itself deserves attention": why? What if we like flawed things? What if rock is ABOUT flaws?
PS I like Berlin too. But I want to know your REAL reasons, not your ad copy reasons...

mark s, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Ad copy"? "What mean?"

Those ARE my "true" reasons. As I stated, I was beyond tired and kept it short and sweet (as opposed to my near rants in previous posts). Anyways, "near flawless" is to mean whatever it means to each and every individual, obviously. What is a "flaw" to me may not be to you (and vice versa), of course.

Anyways, in this particular case (Lou Reed 'Berlin'): "near flawless" would mean (to me, of course) the fact that Lou was able to put on wax (record) the entire second side (other than the final track) in a near (seeing as everything has flaws, regardless of ones individual definition, nothing is perfect - doesn't exist, not in my mind anyways) flawless manner. The expressions sought (or seemingly sought - since you're clearly one for games of silly semantics) after on side two are expressed as well as I (the listener) could have hoped for them to be expressed. Which I (personally, of course) can not say the same for side one (which is riddled with flaws, in my opinion).

Hope that helps. If not, don't expect another reprise.

Now, it's only fair that YOU (sir) further elaborate on your VERY scantily written response to the original question: Search and Destroy-Lou Reed (of course, I chose to focus my response on 'Berlin'...you don't have to, though - in case you were not aware of this).

*By the way, rock (along with anything/everything else in life) isn't MEANT to be "flawed" nor "flawless". It is whatever the individual views it to be (reality is...that there isn't a concrete reality - dig?).

*Also, a part of Lou's appeal IS that he and his music, etc, are "flawed" (opinion depending of course, Mr. Semantic...or...is that Mr. Grainofsalt).

michael g. breece, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Hope this helps" - it doesn't help me. Not that it has to, but anyway. The "expressions sought after" - yes but what are they? Or what do you think they are? I mean if there's one rocker who's probably made it very clear what 'expressions' they've been after on any given record it's probably Lou Reed, but I've not read any of what LR has to say so maybe you can elucidate.

I don't get much out of "Berlin" - it's got my favourite LR song on though ("Sad Song") which seems to crystallise the exhaustion and frustration of the rest of the record nicely, and move beyond the squalid specifics of the rest of the album (which are OK in a short- story way but don't move me) to something more universal. But I'm a sucker for the universal.

Tom, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

First off, I should (here it is) give a semi-apology to Mark for that somewhat "bitchy" response I just gave. It's just I tend to have a bit of a "thing" for when folks focus on semantics, is all. So, that response probably came off a bit more rough than maybe it should have. Just one of those personal "things" (for me - we all have some of those personal "things/issues/whatever" lurking about, you know that seem irrational to those who don't have the same "thing" lurking, etc).

Anyways.

michael g. breece, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not one to worry about/read what the artists themselves have to say about their own work (just one of those things that I, personally, don't believe in - having art dictated to me, even by the artists themselves). So, I certainly can't touch upon what Lou might have wished expressed via 'Berlin'.

However, from what I gather and/or feel: Side two (again, I'll just stick with the half that I, personally, prefer) is just complete and utter despair and helplessness (which you've, I'm sure, already figured out). From the fact that violence can no longer control the situation nor can drugs on "Caroline Says II" to having kids being taken away to his loss of control of his gal in "The Kids" to the suicide in "The Bed" to the final cut "Sad Song" ending (appropriately, though this is my least favorite of the second side, it's still a fine track) with the male lead of the album dealing with his over-all "railroading" (or his dealing with the truth of his gal not measuring up to his wants/needs/wishes/whatever) - which probably means that he, himself, is simply not facing the facts about himself (Lou?).

Just a life (lives, actually) completely and utterly spun (not spinning, but already spun) out of any semblance of control. Which some of us (unfortunately) can relate to, on some level, such depths of darkness or human suffering. Which is what I meant by "near flawless expression". To/for me, side two just hits the deepest-darkness moments in life right on the head (bullseye) - as far as the expression or feeling. Albeit ULTRA dark moments (which, luckily, most of us have to take in a more abstract sense in order to relate to).

But, yea...see I'm just the opposite of you - I very much prefer the short story details (whether in song or literature, etc). Regardless of how downright unbearable they may be (such is the case on side two, in particular).

Well, I know that my galfriend can't freakin stand the album. She just couldn't take the amount of hatred and misery she felt from it. Which I find somewhat liberating in some odd (maybe even perverse) way.

michael g. breece, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Er, semantics wd seem to be yr bag/ projection/obsession, MGB: I just wanted some specifics. Like a specific reason you like it which might (eg) risk causing someone else to hate it: "flawless" is "ad copy" cuz everyone can get with it. Everything's "flawless" if you just define flawless to mean what this or that given individual considers flawless: which wd mean every record that ANYONE considers flawless (acc.their def.) "deserves attention from any serious rock/pop music listener's ears". Why so evasive/defensive?

I tht I did Reed already: can't find it here, musta been on another thread.
SO: metal machine music = ok by me; the rest = ok by me, but I wouldn't agitate to impede their destruction by Xtian fundie vinyl- pyre.

Don't stop digging through these ancient threads!! Don't even slow down!! I wuv to see what piffle I wuz dropping back in the day (= May).

mark s, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

You're right - hence the apology, Mark. After re-reading what I had sent in response, I saw that I was being more defensive than I should've been. As I stated previously, I've have some "issues" with the matter of semantics - so, that is why I perceived your original response, to be a matter semantics. Whereas now, I can see your point-of-view more clearly (in that you were just wanting further elaboration). See, that is the funny thing about "issues"...they get in the way of seeing something as clearly as one should. Which is why they are referred to as "issues". Needless to say, I'm not much on socializing (have the proverbial "chip on the old shoulder" more than I should). But, I'm trying. Thanks, though, for pointing that out.

michael g. breece, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Live - Take No Prisoners. The funniest and liveliest live album I know, someone said it before.

Studio - Magic & Loss. Lou doesn't lose his humour on this one. Very, very touching lyrics. For the subject adequate minimal low-key instrumentation.

N.B. I guess this was the first S&D. Rather short I think. Btw I just found out (but you probably all know) that "Search & Destroy" was a song on "Raw Power" by The Stooges.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 14:10 (sixteen years ago) link

also totally excellent film starring griffin dunne

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 14:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Search: Coney Island Baby, Berlin
Destroy: except for a few lifted tracks (like "Dirt" from Street Hassle, "Viscious Circle" from Rock and Roll Heart, "Nobody But You" from Songs for Drella, etc.), just about everything else.

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 15:17 (sixteen years ago) link

I won't touch most of the stuff already mentioned (I dig parts of Magic And Loss and Songs For Drella, Hot Hips, little else) but I got a give shout out to this one.

Destroy: The Bells. Not only is his voice incredibly wavery and flatulent on this one. I dare anyone to truly "get down" to "Disco Mystic". Unless they meant suffer immediate depression.

Oh, and if you really wanna Search, just get the box set. A listenable survey of a chap I'm too young and too unworshipping of NYC to appreciate beyond those sweet, sweet Velvets.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 16:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Search: Transformer, and actually a lot of his stuff is pretty good...

Tripple destroy: Metal Machine Music.

David Allen, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:58 (sixteen years ago) link

C'mon, search: Street Hassle (one of the best songs ever!)
also search: Songs for Drella, Transformer, Some of those other 70s ones.

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:18 (sixteen years ago) link

MMM is a lot better than I gave it credit for on Feb 4, 2001.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 25 November 2002 22:21 (sixteen years ago) link

me need this on vinyl.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 25 November 2002 22:26 (sixteen years ago) link

me need this on vinyl.

$25 at the Django's in Portland, Oregon a few weeks ago.

hstencil, Monday, 25 November 2002 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link

You need Berlin, Blue Mask, Magic and Loss and MMM. But then, I like the horribly sad, tragicicicic Lou Reed. You may prefer his more glammy/hard rockin' type stuff.

You, of course, need the 4 VU studio albums and Live: 1969.

All of his live albums that I've heard are pretty desolate.

Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 04:21 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...
haha, was this thread the genesis of "search and destroy" on ilm?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 21 March 2003 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Is modern-day Lou any good live? He's gonna be in Phoenix next month and I was wondering if it's worth making a two hour drive to see him.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 9 May 2003 05:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Search: Lou Reed, Blue Mask, Live In Italy, Berlin, New York
Destroy: The Bells, Rock & Roll Heart
Good, but overrated: Transformer, Rock & Roll animal
Good, and underrated: Growing Up In Public, Legendary Hearts

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Friday, 9 May 2003 12:53 (sixteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
His new Best Of has "I Wanna Be Black" on it! Classic!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 6 June 2003 16:43 (sixteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
I heard a chunk of New York a couple days a go in a cab. What crap. Oh, he's a poet. Alright.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 5 June 2004 15:56 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...
was really diggin lou's acoustic guitar parts on Berlin yesterday afternoon. the lyrics are so dismal, i didnt pay much attention to them (even though yeah-im a sucka for the short story details)

horrible album art i'm afraid

kephm (kephm), Monday, 11 October 2004 13:53 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Search: Blue Mask, Legendary Hearts, New Sensations, Live in Paris

Basically any albums with fretless bassist Fernando Saunders are great. His '80s and '90s work is overlooked.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link

A few people mentioned the live album Take No Prisoners. I find it's not so well known, but fans should check it out. It has some totally transcendant moments: the looong ending to Coney Island Baby; the guitar break in Satellite of Love; the killer bass riffing in Street Hassle.

todd (todd), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Take No Prisoners is excellent, especially when he completely loses his shit during "Walk on the Wild Side."

I discovered Lou through "New York," so that will probably always be my favorite solo album. After that, probably Berlin, Transformer, and this "Master Class" bootleg (with Little Jimmy Scott) that I really need to Torrent one of these days.

subgenius (subgenius), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 06:39 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Search: any Lou album containing the word "alright"
Destroy: yourself with scotch, cynicism, meth & tai chi.

Delmore Schwartz, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

dude are you nuts, "What are you, a fucking asshole?" is one of the all-time great interview answers

J0hn D., Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:32 (eleven years ago) link

classic

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 23:40 (eleven years ago) link

classic asshole

deeznuts, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 00:08 (eleven years ago) link

lou reed, a real classhole

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 00:43 (eleven years ago) link

but seriously, J0hn D, you should def. try to work "What are you, a fucking asshole?" into any future interviews you do.

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 00:47 (eleven years ago) link

it's always seemed like an interesting failure tbh

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 July 2019 20:26 (one week ago) link

that's my thought about Mistrial.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 July 2019 20:27 (one week ago) link

like, the last producer Lou Reed is Bob Goddamn Ezrin.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 July 2019 20:27 (one week ago) link

yeah the conventional wisdom that this was a terrible mismatch rings true

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 July 2019 20:29 (one week ago) link

"The Kids" works, but it could've been on Transformer.

Actually, the conventional wisdom is that it's one of his greatest records, unfairly maligned at the time.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 July 2019 20:31 (one week ago) link

maligning was fair, was what I was getting at

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 July 2019 20:41 (one week ago) link

I love it. I didn't hear it until 2013, but it made me realize that huh, I guess I really did want to hear Lou Reed's The Wall.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 12 July 2019 20:45 (one week ago) link

Weird to see only three mentions of Street Hassle on this thread. Always liked that one though that’s also bc it was my first Lou solo LP. I can’t rate it over some of the others of his I’ve picked up since though.

omar little, Friday, 12 July 2019 20:46 (one week ago) link

Feel like Street Hassle gets more play on some other Lou threads. The album as whole is a bit uneven but the title track is a definite career high point.(xp)

Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 July 2019 20:50 (one week ago) link

At the end of this thread I put a link to a good article about the recording of Street Hassle, which I probably should have put at the end of the Street Hassle thread itself, but hey, I’m unpredictable, just like Lou himself: In Praise Of...Lou Reed "Take No Prisoners"

Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 July 2019 20:59 (one week ago) link

To me, the transgression was necessary for him to see the weird in the normal
Sorry, to me there is something disingenuous about his latter day fascination with the normal. Perhaps Shakey and I, as readers of the rolling sf thread, are especially wary of this cheesy defamiliarization technique.

Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 July 2019 21:08 (one week ago) link

honestly I could care less about the shift in lyrical content, if there even is much of one, it's the sonics I can't stand

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 July 2019 21:10 (one week ago) link

Perhaps you would have preferred if he had started playing fingerstyle?

Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 July 2019 21:10 (one week ago) link

thumbstyle

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 July 2019 21:11 (one week ago) link

Yeah, the overdetermination of offenses including the Saunders abf, the tipping point where the Sprechgesang became more Sprechge than sang, and the endless guitar and microphone tech talk obsession that nevertheless seem to result in a generic clanky dry Strat sound or whatever.

LOL I don't necessary agree, but this is a great post

stan by me (morrisp), Friday, 12 July 2019 21:12 (one week ago) link

thumbstyle

B-b-but how do you think Fernando was pinching those harmonics?

Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 July 2019 21:14 (one week ago) link

Sorry, to me there is something disingenuous about his latter day fascination with the normal.

have you heard him sing? It's like imagining Donald Trump singing nursery rhymes. The Fascination with the Normal is precisely what gives those post-1982 albums (the good ones) their creepiness.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 July 2019 12:49 (one week ago) link

Are you saying the creepiness is intentional? And desirable?

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:09 (one week ago) link

Unintentional and desirable.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:11 (one week ago) link

What about ostensibly clumsy stuff like the oft quoted couplet “My Dedalus to your Bloom/ was such a perfect wit”? What’s your take on this kind of thing?

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:15 (one week ago) link

Xgau says that it “honors the way that people really talk.” But who talks like that but Lou and pretentious permanent literature undergrads like the guy who was flirting with Laurie Anderson a few posts up? Delmore Schwartz himself wouldn’t be caught dead in a pauper’s grave with a sentence like that coming out of his mouth or pen.

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:19 (one week ago) link

To me that's just a different kind of stupid from Lou's 70s stupid.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:22 (one week ago) link

Me too, but I liked 70s stupid better, it’s of a piece with 70s NYC cinema.

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:30 (one week ago) link

It’s like the taking of the Pelham 1,2,3

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:30 (one week ago) link

What about ostensibly clumsy stuff like the oft quoted couplet “My Dedalus to your Bloom/ was such a perfect wit”? What’s your take on this kind of thing?

― Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs)

I would preferred "My Dedalus to your Bloom/I'm such a nitwit"

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:36 (one week ago) link

If Sterling has been around he probably would have asked for the lyric to be changed to that.

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:40 (one week ago) link

Growing Up In Public, for all its numerous faults, is the perfect bridge between 70s and 80s stupid.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:40 (one week ago) link

i like the "such a perfect wit" line bc it's v earnest, the kind of error you preserve bc the syntax is so weird it's personal, it's not about reflecting some cultural stupidity. i mean, "my house" makes me cry, idk. but i'm not here to convince people who think fernando saunders sucks at bass

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:41 (one week ago) link

The line that bugs me the most is "Marxist DA"...like, there would never be a Marxist district attorney...but if there was, they wouldn't be average...like Lou is claiming to be...ok, I get it now, it's all a rich tapestry.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:46 (one week ago) link

and the weird of "New Sensations" (title track0) is my kind of weird.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:57 (one week ago) link

Just occurred to me for the first time to wonder if it bugged Lou that Sterling finished his PhD. I suppose it might have, but so much stuff bugged him it would hard to single that one out unless he went on record about it.

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 July 2019 15:03 (one week ago) link

Man y’all are nitpicking some perfectly fine lyrics...

(now excuse me while I do another Wikipedia-based fact check of where Lou was on a specific day in 1963)

stan by me (morrisp), Saturday, 13 July 2019 15:35 (one week ago) link

Lou deserves to have his nits picked for being such a pompous ass from the mid 80s onwards.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Saturday, 13 July 2019 15:37 (one week ago) link

The clunky, plainspoken earnestness of “My House” is what makes it so endearing, IMO. He’s abandoning all pretense of being “poetic” in his tribute to a poet.

stan by me (morrisp), Saturday, 13 July 2019 15:54 (one week ago) link

otm

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 July 2019 15:57 (one week ago) link

Average Guy is probably my favorite song on that album

Οὖτις, Saturday, 13 July 2019 16:43 (one week ago) link

In an Italian restaurant called Romeo’s right now and all I can hear in my head is the Rock and Roll Animal himself singing “Legendary Hearts.”

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 July 2019 23:25 (one week ago) link

Well that and Robin Williams as Elmer Fudd singing “Fire.”

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 July 2019 23:26 (one week ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_oFjghXkAcHX2P.jpg:large

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 21:19 (six days ago) link

Almost finished the Bockris book. I laughed at this--early draft of Trump (circa the VU reunion in the early '90s):

Previously a phoneaholic, Lou had now become a fax maniac, spending hours composing messages and then keening over the machine in anticipation of a snappy reply. It was the perfect mode of communication for the hermetic Reed.

My favourite moment came much earlier, the night Reed quit the VU first time around: "Sterling, I'd like you to meet my parents..." Reminded me of Max introducing his dad to Herman in Rushmore.

clemenza, Thursday, 18 July 2019 13:45 (four days ago) link

Belated lol at Street Hasslehoff

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:26 (four days ago) link

The Bockris book--which I only read because it was a gift--gave me the story in broad outline, which is all I wanted. The only time I found it to be an ordeal was the last 50 pages or so, where Bockris (perhaps swept away by Reed's death) gives you, in excruciating detail, his interpretation of a cross-album conversation between Reed and Anderson. I don't know these records, and, personally, they're of no interest to me. I always think of Seinfeld and the Drake in these situations: "Well, I don't know if I'm happy for them...I mean I'm glad they're happy, but, frankly, it doesn't do anything for me."

clemenza, Friday, 19 July 2019 13:58 (three days ago) link

The one thing that stuck with me from the Bockris book was Nico saying to Reed, "I cannot make love to Jews anymore."

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Saturday, 20 July 2019 16:00 (two days ago) link

Yeah, I always think of that, wonder if it applied to Dylan as well.

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 20 July 2019 16:24 (two days ago) link

Also there is another line about
Reporter: When’s the last time you saw Lou Reed?
Nico: I don’t hang out in gay bars

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 20 July 2019 16:25 (two days ago) link

Yes, it's obviously about Dylan too (xp)

Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Saturday, 20 July 2019 16:28 (two days ago) link

Speaking of Bockris, wondering if I should buy an ebook of Uptight to replace my mistakenly given away paper copy.

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 20 July 2019 16:32 (two days ago) link

Yes, it's obviously about Dylan too (xp)

Believe Lawrence was inspired to write a certain Felt song based on that quote.

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 20 July 2019 16:39 (two days ago) link

Or at least I imagine and want that to be the case

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 20 July 2019 16:39 (two days ago) link


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