Venom vs. Bathory

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Venom had the pop hooks ("Bloodlust", "Witching Hour", the irresistable "Angel Dust", the Sly-Stone-on-Seconal "1000 Days in Sodom")

Bathory - what a sound! Drum machine set to 1000 BPM and guitars that sounded like broken theremins with no 'off' switch. The Helios Creed of black metal.

Sell your soles to Santa!

dave q, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Depends on my mood. Bathory is like death/black metal as garage rock (translation = GRATE), so fabulously primitive on the early releases it verges on Whitehouse territory, wit classic Metal Blood And Doom replacing Bennett's schtick...so I'n giving em the edge.

jess, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Venom, for fond adolescent memories of listening to Evil(in league with Satan) alongside The Human League.

Also search out Raven, more mad Geordie metallers (or anything else on Neat records for that matter).

Billy Dods, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

FUCK OFF AND DIE!

Kodanshi, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

???????????????????????????????????

Billy Dods, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Don't listen to much Venom do you? Never heard their "FOAD" track? It goes: "Fuck off and die, fuck off and die!"

Kodanshi, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Early Bathory is so ahead of its time in its shittiness. Early Venom is just incredible. A tie, for sure.

Kris, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Never heard Bathory, but I recall a completely classic performance by Venom on The Tube back in 1985. Three songs of cartoon black metal frenzy - a great way to start the weekend.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I like Bathory, do not love them; I haven't heard Venom.

Maria, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

_under the sign of the black mark_ continues to leave furrows in my gray matter, with that nasty, horrible fuzz guitar noise that varg vikernes stole for his best burzum material.

venom are unutterably classic, too. what's with this vs. crap? everything up to _possessed_ is just amazing, but i especially love _welcome to hell_ for it's completely ridiculous, terribly production and moronic lyrics. they knew they were stupid, too, which only made them greater.

your null fame, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
As I recall ,Bathory's lyrics go something like this - 'Tear the lid off this infant's flesh box then chime the seven gate bells', of course this was years before the release of the grand Ted Nugent opus 'Venom Soup'.The Rolling Stones were clearly influenced by Bathory when they donned medieval costumes for 'Their Satanic Majesties Request' album and their 'Goat's Head Soup' album has a yellow cover(whatever the hell that means?).Anyway,all this soup talk is making me hungry...now let's see...eye of lizard...

James, Saturday, 20 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

ten years pass...

If you'd asked me last year, I would have said Venom. Now I'm leaning toward Bathory. Blood Fire Death is jawdropping! I think I appreciate the purity of focus with Bathory, plus Quorthon has an unbelievably great scream.

Clarke B., Monday, 16 July 2012 01:44 (six years ago) Permalink

bathory has some staggering tracks... you have to listen to it loud for the full impact. bedroom angry nerd viking fantasies sound pretty cool here.

Spectrum, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 00:38 (six years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

listened to both Venom "Black Metal" and the first s/t Bathory record today coincidentally, and posting to say DAMN BATHORY IS RAW. Venom is good hard metal, but Bathory is the real start of BM to my ears.

Dominique, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 21:18 (four years ago) Permalink

i picked up that 1st bathory album in a charity shop last week and yes its primitive, raw as fuck music.

everyday sheeple (Michael B), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 21:38 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

not to be hyperbolic but if you don't like "Necromancy" from the s/t Bathory album pls jump off a bridge

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Thursday, 22 October 2015 05:36 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

listening to both today because i recently started reading the lords of chaos book. i was impressed by venom but when i skipped straight into bathory's Blood Fire Death i was blown away. then i went back to the S/T and was even morer blown awayerer. i am basically the maxell tape guy right now. i am crossing my fingers that they don't end up sacrificing babies later to satan later in the book because for now they just kind of rule

Karl Malone, Saturday, 4 March 2017 05:05 (two years ago) Permalink

you know what, even if they did, if that's what it takes to make "in conspiracy with satan" just do it guys, have at it

Karl Malone, Saturday, 4 March 2017 05:08 (two years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRpikSZHHRY

Bathory's intense, but Venom's way more fun.

larry appleton, Saturday, 4 March 2017 05:14 (two years ago) Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/9RcU0HJ.jpg

Karl Malone, Saturday, 4 March 2017 05:29 (two years ago) Permalink

Hammerheart > Venom > Bathory

“Remember,” he says, “Noddy Holder is a gangster.” (contenderizer), Saturday, 4 March 2017 05:46 (two years ago) Permalink

aw man, i haven't gotten around to hammerheart yet. satanic friday is going to have to become a tradition for me

Karl Malone, Saturday, 4 March 2017 05:50 (two years ago) Permalink

was that supposed to say Hellhammer > Venom > Bathory?

if not, Hellhammer > Venom > Bathory

Devilock, Saturday, 4 March 2017 09:17 (two years ago) Permalink

honestly as important as HH is, Bathory's career trajectory is really beautiful and the Viking metal records are some of the most wonderful night-driving music there is. Venom is better than its detractors say and worse than its partisans claim. Bathory on top of these three imo

though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 4 March 2017 13:00 (two years ago) Permalink

Early Venom's sloppy, cartoony Satanic fury is pure joy, but I think Bathory's Under the Sign of the Black Mark is a pinnacle that can't be touched. Kinda achieved some sort of aggro zen state through that pulsing fuzz. Special piece of work.

circa1916, Saturday, 4 March 2017 15:46 (two years ago) Permalink

Early Venom's sloppy, cartoony Satanic fury is pure joy, but I think Bathory's Under the Sign of the Black Mark is a pinnacle that can't be touched. Kinda achieved some sort of aggro zen state through that pulsing fuzz. Special piece of work.

circa1916, Saturday, 4 March 2017 15:46 (two years ago) Permalink

oops

circa1916, Saturday, 4 March 2017 15:46 (two years ago) Permalink

I like the Viking albums (mostly) but it makes me miss the purity of some of the older stuff.

circa1916, Saturday, 4 March 2017 15:48 (two years ago) Permalink

i really, really, really like the instrumental intros to all of the bathory albums i've listened to so far. they keep reminding me of popul vuh, although maybe part of that is that i keep getting an Aguirre The Wrath Of God vibe from Bathory.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 4 March 2017 18:00 (two years ago) Permalink

was that supposed to say Hellhammer > Venom > Bathory?

Nuh-uh. I mean Hammerheart, the allfucking Bathory album. Much as I dig the early filth & spikes stuff, Hammerheart's on a whole different and also other separate level.

“Remember,” he says, “Noddy Holder is a gangster.” (contenderizer), Saturday, 4 March 2017 19:23 (two years ago) Permalink

i keep getting an Aguirre The Wrath Of God vibe from Bathory

Ha, can dig this. Will keep in mind next time I fire them up.

circa1916, Saturday, 4 March 2017 19:32 (two years ago) Permalink

tbh I've hated the Bathory I've heard past Blood Fire Death. I don't think Viking metal is for me. Mind you I haven't heard any Venom from that time so it wouldn't be fair to base any comparison on that because I'm sure they probably sucked in the early 90s as well.

Transform All Suffering Into Poo (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 4 March 2017 19:33 (two years ago) Permalink

i prefer bathory (the early stuff and the viking stuff) but i'm as false as they come so grain of salt. much respect for venom, tho, troo originators indeed

a but (brimstead), Saturday, 4 March 2017 19:58 (two years ago) Permalink

This is Bathory for me but i love WTH and BM

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Saturday, 4 March 2017 23:12 (two years ago) Permalink

I listen way more to early Bathory than viking tho

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Saturday, 4 March 2017 23:13 (two years ago) Permalink

FUCK OFF AND DIE!

Karl Malone, Saturday, 4 March 2017 23:14 (two years ago) Permalink

FUCK OFF AND DIE!

Karl Malone, Saturday, 4 March 2017 23:15 (two years ago) Permalink

i keep yelling that at people i see on the street but it never goes well, even after i say "Don't listen to much Venom do you?"

Karl Malone, Saturday, 4 March 2017 23:17 (two years ago) Permalink

venom is what i thought punk sounded like before i ever heard punk

Karl Malone, Sunday, 5 March 2017 06:42 (two years ago) Permalink

I so hated Venom when I was first into metal because to me metal that ugly was just revolting but now that's why I love it so much. years, perspective, etc....

I had a friend who used to make fun of them forever and then realized he confused them with Poison the entire time.

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 March 2017 06:44 (two years ago) Permalink

The American or the German Poison?

Siegbran, Sunday, 5 March 2017 19:50 (two years ago) Permalink

American!

"Venom" and "POison" similar terms I guess it makes sense

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 March 2017 20:01 (two years ago) Permalink

i keep getting an Aguirre The Wrath Of God vibe from Bathory

This is so otm it's not even funny any more.

And yet, as much as I love Bathory (boy do they kick Venom's butt), the perfect follow-up to an intro like Storm of Damnation for me still is Lurker of Chalice's s/t. They wouldn't exist without Bathory but it's BM taken to a whole new level imo.

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 5 March 2017 23:07 (two years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

I met this cute girl at the Eyehategod show on Monday. she introduced herself because she was sitting at the table near me, we hit it off, started flirting before she disappeared to the front of the stage later in the evening.

She had a Venom patch on her jean jacket. ergo, Venom wins.

Neanderthal, Saturday, 26 August 2017 15:49 (one year ago) Permalink

six months pass...

BLACK METAL NIGHT IS HERE AGAIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XV7dQNRLZ4

jmm, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:45 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

bathory >>>>>>

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 11 March 2019 16:16 (one week ago) Permalink

been spending a lot of time with the first two albums and they fucking rip

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 11 March 2019 16:17 (one week ago) Permalink

otm

pomenitul, Monday, 11 March 2019 16:23 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah, otm

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 11 March 2019 16:36 (one week ago) Permalink

under the sign of the black mark is the most awesome album ever made

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 11 March 2019 23:39 (one week ago) Permalink

did venom ever do epic Viking shit

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 00:46 (one week ago) Permalink

I like bathory a lot. venom is too real for my poser ass

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 00:46 (one week ago) Permalink

I had no idea that Jonas Åkerlund, who directed Lords of Chaos, was Bathory's drummer from 1983 to 1984.

pomenitul, Friday, 22 March 2019 09:59 (two days ago) Permalink

Bathory but Venom is underrated, especially latter-day stuff

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 22 March 2019 10:29 (two days ago) Permalink

It's true, the first two Venom albums are worthy of all the praise of course but there's very solid (and varied) material in the later albums. A lot of chaff tho.

Siegbran, Friday, 22 March 2019 10:44 (two days ago) Permalink

did venom ever do epic Viking shit

I hate Viking Bathory so that's a point for Venom

Colonel Poo, Friday, 22 March 2019 11:36 (two days ago) Permalink

Bathory is slightly more important, probably.
I listen to Venom slightly more often personally.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 22 March 2019 14:44 (two days ago) Permalink

Early Bathory are way more inspiring to me, where I feel like I'm hearing the seed of black metal's potentiality. I don't quite get the same feeling from Venom.

jmm, Friday, 22 March 2019 15:36 (two days ago) Permalink

Under the Sign of the Black Mark is one of my favorite albums of all time. Love the first two Venom albums too, but Bathory for me.

circa1916, Friday, 22 March 2019 15:40 (two days ago) Permalink


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