Brand New: emo beacon or lesser light?

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So I've been listening to Brand New's Deja Entendu per a recommendation that panned out, and I wonder: how does this rate to those who have even the slightest bit invested in emo? I'm pretty rudderless when it comes to navigating this stuff, so give me some context.

Andy, Wednesday, 12 November 2003 07:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I just asked for context in the Disco-Tex thread I started, but in trying to think of context for Brand New, I'm finding it's officially hard. And yet. BN = Cap'n Jazz - suburban artiness + the Promise Ring - a lisp + Dashboard Confessional - tunes + a pointless rhythmic complexity that nonetheless sort of satisfies. Maybe they're post-post-emo, where the music starts to get technically complicated again (at least in the dreaded angular-guitars sense) without losing its Good Charlotte sheen.

Mikael Wood, Wednesday, 12 November 2003 07:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

TOTAL SHIT.

If you're into that type of stuff, go for the first Get Up Kids album, the first Promise Ring Album, all Cap'n Jazz, The Jazz June and the three proper Braid Albums,

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 13 November 2003 02:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Is this the one who looks like Morrissey?

Sonny A. (Keiko), Thursday, 13 November 2003 02:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Don't think, just pogo.

ModJ (ModJ), Thursday, 13 November 2003 04:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

seven years pass...

Although I definitely think The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me is the best thing they've ever done, "Jude Law and A Semester Abroad" stands up really fucking well, fuiud.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 00:22 (six years ago) Permalink

Deja Entendu is maybe my favorite album ever. Devil and God probably has better stuff on it, though.

C-L, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 01:08 (six years ago) Permalink

i will stand by this band forever, they are the best. <3 <3

marc iv, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 01:50 (six years ago) Permalink

* high five *

C-L, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 01:58 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

My secrets for a buck. Watch me as I cut myself wide open on this stage where I am paid to spill my guts.
Won't see home till Spring.
Oh I would kill for the Atlantic but I am paid to make girls panic when I sing.

Mordy, Sunday, 1 April 2012 03:40 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Okay so The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me is totally amazing.

Tim F, Sunday, 28 July 2013 12:50 (four years ago) Permalink

i used to be *really* into brand new when i was in HS

their first two albums are great too, esp deja

k3vin k., Sunday, 28 July 2013 14:11 (four years ago) Permalink

do iiii diviiiide and fall apart?

k3vin k., Sunday, 28 July 2013 14:33 (four years ago) Permalink

re: devil and god, probably the best rock record of the last ten years imo

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 28 July 2013 14:54 (four years ago) Permalink

It's very loud though. I have to find a way to listen to it that won't wake the entire apartment block.

Tim F, Sunday, 28 July 2013 17:33 (four years ago) Permalink

I need to pick up Deja Entendu I suppose.

Tim F, Sunday, 28 July 2013 17:41 (four years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Okay so The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me is totally amazing.

― Tim F, Sunday, July 28, 2013 8:50 AM (7 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this. i am tempted to quote that immortal ian zeiring line.

Vijay Zing (rip van wanko), Saturday, 15 March 2014 13:44 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Not blown away just yet but v v glad they're back

fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Monday, 13 April 2015 17:26 (two years ago) Permalink

!!!!

slothroprhymes, Monday, 13 April 2015 17:51 (two years ago) Permalink

sounds like "sink" and "archers," which i'm v down with

slothroprhymes, Monday, 13 April 2015 17:53 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

new song - a slow and depressive one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBen_48OOSU

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 16:54 (two years ago) Permalink

oh you got me excited there, thought they had put it out officially

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 17:06 (two years ago) Permalink

lol i only just heard about it, when i looked back at the post date i was like "o shit this was a month ago whoops"

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 17:11 (two years ago) Permalink

i have a friend that is sending me videos from their gig at Barcelona. i'm really mad. now i can't stop listening to them.

Nourry, Thursday, 28 May 2015 23:24 (two years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28YFesvcLS8

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 18:20 (one year ago) Permalink

dig that

k3vin k., Tuesday, 17 May 2016 18:25 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah that's great - excited for the new album

Mordy, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 18:31 (one year ago) Permalink

Sounds a little like the Kevin Devine album Lacey produced (not a bad thing)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 02:18 (one year ago) Permalink

fucking fantastic

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 21:32 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

context for anyone unfamiliar: in 2006, before devil and god came out, brand new's initial demos for the album were leaked; they included several songs that never appeared on any brand new record. jesse lacey was very angry about it at the time and iirc deliberately avoided properly recording the songs that leaked, so only "sowing season" and "luca" made it to the album, with "(fork and knife)" released as a single the following year. last year they remastered the old demos and released them officially. yesterday they put out an ep of newly-recorded studio versions of three of those demos. imo these songs are amazing and i'm so happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHcteXrBfuo

http://brandnewofficial.bandcamp.com/album/3-demos-reworked

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:34 (one year ago) Permalink

awesome

Spottie, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 19:05 (one year ago) Permalink

the coda of Missing You yesssss

Spottie, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 19:10 (one year ago) Permalink

omg that 1996 track is deja entendu level good

Mordy, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 21:51 (one year ago) Permalink

i've been obsessing over "battalions" from the demos record a lot lately & kinda wish they'd remade that, but it got turned into "archers" on devil & god, which is phenomenal, so i guess it wouldn't make sense

1996 is def the big prize here

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 14 July 2016 18:08 (one year ago) Permalink

they're all great tho, "brother's song" sadly remains relevant.

my only worry inre: these is that doing this kind of tinkering might keep them from finishing the final album (if it comes out at all if def will be final; they're selling t-shirts that read BRAND NEW 2000-2018 on them). they've clearly still got it, the hooks on "i am a nightmare" are some of the best they've ever written, and "mene" and "sealed to me" are great too.

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 14 July 2016 18:15 (one year ago) Permalink

they're putting out a single with "mene" and "out of range" too

real "emptying the vault before we release a new album and break up" vibe

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 July 2016 18:18 (one year ago) Permalink

heh i totally remember these songs, high school years coming back hard

k3vin k., Thursday, 14 July 2016 18:20 (one year ago) Permalink

xp agree re: breakup vibes. i'm wondering if they'll pull a radiohead and stuff the completed older songs on the album or if it'll be new-new stuff only

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 14 July 2016 18:22 (one year ago) Permalink

can't get over how good the reworked demos sound. tbh I doubt they'll be on the new album, or at least I really hope they won't be, the songs are ten years old ffs

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 July 2016 22:28 (one year ago) Permalink

the full set of 2006 demos are on spotify btw. i remember being obsessed with them around the time they leaked, but i'm pretty shocked at how well they've held up. this is really good stuff

k3vin k., Sunday, 17 July 2016 03:13 (one year ago) Permalink

I've heard that "three cheers" chorus before, has it been a part of their live sets?

skateboard of education (rip van wanko), Sunday, 17 July 2016 05:06 (one year ago) Permalink

oh yeah

k3vin k., Sunday, 17 July 2016 05:22 (one year ago) Permalink

six months pass...

i am the watch you always wear but you forget to wind

Mordy, Monday, 30 January 2017 22:30 (ten months ago) Permalink

one day in the future there will be a new brand new album and d*nald tr*mp will be dead

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 00:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

no one is allowed to bump this thread again until there is news of at least one of those things happening

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 00:05 (ten months ago) Permalink

six months pass...

NEW! ALBUM! IN! OCTOBER! http://www.procrastinatemusictraitors.com/

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 16:12 (three months ago) Permalink

AAAAAAH

also many thanks brad for honoring my request!!

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 16:37 (three months ago) Permalink

Yah I was heavy into both in my early-mid 20s

Spottie, Saturday, 21 October 2017 20:13 (one month ago) Permalink

i listened to 3 emo albums in my life at present, including this one lol

flopson, Saturday, 21 October 2017 20:20 (one month ago) Permalink

i loved atdi in hs but ito rock shit i was p much excluse the 'garage' scene (broadly defined) in my early twenties, no regrets as i had the time of my life playing and going to shows twice a week. the only ppl i knew into emo then were more about the mathy/post-hardcore end of it; i think i wasn't fully aware of how fully good emo bangs as conventional rock music

flopson, Saturday, 21 October 2017 20:37 (one month ago) Permalink

i havent listened to much "emo" music in like a decade, so maybe the scene itself has changed, but if science fiction is seen as an emo album it probably has more to do with the band's historic association with that scene than it does with the actual music

k3vin k., Saturday, 21 October 2017 20:37 (one month ago) Permalink

i mean this is just a rock album

k3vin k., Saturday, 21 October 2017 20:38 (one month ago) Permalink

it's post-emo

flopson, Saturday, 21 October 2017 20:46 (one month ago) Permalink

chorus of same logic is straight emo imo

flopson, Saturday, 21 October 2017 20:47 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah there's some touches for sure

k3vin k., Saturday, 21 October 2017 20:51 (one month ago) Permalink

JUST JEALOUS CAUSE WERE YOUNG AND IN LOVE

another note from the show - lacey played 'soco amaretto lime' but changed the lyrics from "you're just jealous cause were young and in love" to "i'm just jealous cause you're young and in love"

Mordy, Saturday, 21 October 2017 23:01 (one month ago) Permalink

the enunciation of the "boy we gave you every opportunity" part is super emo

Flogging Mommy (diamonddave85), Saturday, 21 October 2017 23:20 (one month ago) Permalink

JUST JEALOUS CAUSE WERE YOUNG AND IN LOVE

another note from the show - lacey played 'soco amaretto lime' but changed the lyrics from "you're just jealous cause were young and in love" to "i'm just jealous cause you're young and in love"

― Mordy, Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:01 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i noticed this from a youtube recently, i like the change. also on a mostly unrelated note he sings "i am paid to make you boys panic while i sing" in "spin light" these days -- i get the feeling he realizes some of his earlier lyrics were kind of, to use a contemporary term, a little problematic

k3vin k., Saturday, 21 October 2017 23:43 (one month ago) Permalink

it was just striking to me along w/ the other stuff that it's a much darker more pessimistic gloomy take

Mordy, Saturday, 21 October 2017 23:45 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah no idea what kind of place jesse is in but he's always been outwardly pretty troubled

k3vin k., Sunday, 22 October 2017 00:07 (one month ago) Permalink

the old stuff is good for what it is (music for kids) but it's not something i can really imagine listening to all the time anymore

fwiw i understand why you and presumably lacey feel this way but i think deja entendu continues to contain some of their most direct, affecting + memorable work. but i never think that "music for kids" is necessarily a limitation on popular music (i still listen to pet sounds too)

Mordy, Sunday, 22 October 2017 00:07 (one month ago) Permalink

there were signs all over the venue when you entered that said that there would be no crowd surfing at the show and anyone who crowd surfed would get ejected. when the concert started the band played the first few songs behind a gate/fence that spanned the entire length of the stage like they were in jail. i was thinking "oh my god he is so freaked out about the audience he is playing behind a gate now" but it lifted after the first few songs i felt whew

Mordy, Sunday, 22 October 2017 00:10 (one month ago) Permalink

sort of feel like if i were a band of brand new's popularity i'd be performing behind something bulletproof

k3vin k., Sunday, 22 October 2017 00:40 (one month ago) Permalink

Jesse Lacey threw his guitar last night. What an icon pic.twitter.com/gqCdo9Y1Ud

— Thiqq Goth GF (@valisneckdeep) October 22, 2017

Mordy, Friday, 3 November 2017 16:27 (one month ago) Permalink

Lets all go and meet our maker
Won't matter whose side you're on
We're so afraid, I prayed and prayed
When God told me to love the bomb
https://i.imgur.com/fwoNXZm.jpg

phenibut rock (rip van wanko), Friday, 3 November 2017 18:31 (one month ago) Permalink

so this is looking pretty much like my aoty and unlikely to be dethroned

Mordy, Friday, 3 November 2017 19:00 (one month ago) Permalink

same

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 3 November 2017 19:17 (one month ago) Permalink

yep

k3vin k., Friday, 3 November 2017 19:38 (one month ago) Permalink

Not there yet but I might have to resign to the fact that come December, this will be true for me as well. Pacing in that direction.

*dreams of Brand New winning the EOY poll*

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 3 November 2017 20:23 (one month ago) Permalink

Will def be a top 5

Spottie, Friday, 3 November 2017 20:27 (one month ago) Permalink

my new favorite part of this album is the solo in “137”

k3vin k., Saturday, 4 November 2017 01:13 (one month ago) Permalink

The guitar solo in "137" is the most glorious musical moment of 2017.

― ArchCarrier, Friday, October 6, 2017 11:47 AM (four weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ArchCarrier, Saturday, 4 November 2017 12:30 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah that whole song is great but I'm always waiting for that bit.

The album is currently my 2nd-favourite of the year behind Paramore.

Gavin, Leeds, Saturday, 4 November 2017 13:55 (one month ago) Permalink

both will be in my top 5 as well for sure

Simon H., Saturday, 4 November 2017 14:07 (one month ago) Permalink

so

, Friday, 10 November 2017 18:15 (one month ago) Permalink

https://www.facebook.com/briankeithdiaz/posts/10155933792623552

, Friday, 10 November 2017 18:17 (one month ago) Permalink

pete wentz prob has an upcoming reckoning too

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 10 November 2017 18:23 (one month ago) Permalink

yeahhhh

Simon H., Friday, 10 November 2017 18:23 (one month ago) Permalink

sigh

Simon H., Friday, 10 November 2017 18:24 (one month ago) Permalink

i was aware jesse was an asshole for 1000 years but not that much of one

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 10 November 2017 18:27 (one month ago) Permalink

Brand New is cancelled and I'm here to remind you that you can't separate the art from the artist. pic.twitter.com/aa8SmJkA4z

— Autumn Lavis (@AutumnLavis) November 10, 2017

na (NA), Friday, 10 November 2017 20:20 (one month ago) Permalink

oh that's contained in the facebook thread. sorry.

na (NA), Friday, 10 November 2017 20:21 (one month ago) Permalink

lesser light

ur-oik (rip van wanko), Friday, 10 November 2017 20:31 (one month ago) Permalink

i like the music but this guy wears patagonia hats ppl

ur-oik (rip van wanko), Friday, 10 November 2017 20:32 (one month ago) Permalink

well damn :/

ufo, Friday, 10 November 2017 22:49 (one month ago) Permalink

i’ve been flagging more posts than usual today

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 10 November 2017 22:55 (one month ago) Permalink

it’s almost always some asshole making a joke out of sexual assault

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 10 November 2017 22:55 (one month ago) Permalink

https://www.facebook.com/BrandNew/posts/10155923794753023

jesse basically admits to it without actually addressing it

don't recommend the comments

ufo, Sunday, 12 November 2017 03:40 (one month ago) Permalink

Felt like some of the powers that be were dragging their feet about permanently writing these guys off, but those new allegations should be the nail in the coffin. Truly horrific.

There was some other Warped Tour band a few years back accused of some similar grooming, right? Can't remember which one they were, but it makes me wonder if this is a trend that's particularly common in this scene. Seems like a toxic confluence of technology/fan access + song subject matter perfect for drawing/earning the trust and sympathies of vulnerable young fans. It recasts the band's entire discography in a sinister light, knowing that their albums were effectively a trap used to lure victims.

Evan R, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 16:14 (four weeks ago) Permalink

It recasts the band's entire discography in a sinister light, knowing that their albums were effectively a trap used to lure victims.

i think this is a weird conclusion to arrive at but it sure is popular

anyway yes this band is basically dead to me

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 16:16 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Great piece. Also this one from 2015 hints at how vast the scope of the problem is: https://medium.com/cuepoint/warped-behavior-sexual-violence-on-tour-8ad218d50bc9

Gotta imagine there's a reckoning coming. How many dozens of bands must have known this stuff went on and turned a blind eye to it?

Evan R, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 18:09 (four weeks ago) Permalink

i was once at a green day show when i was about 15, i was getting a ride home from these friends of a friend's older brother and they were huge nerds who wanted to stay and meet the band afterwards, which i wasn't really interested in but they were my ride home. tre cool (who would've been late 20s at the time) spent the whole time trying to convince a 15/16 year old girl to get on the tour bus with him, and pulled his cock out at some stage with some really flimsy pretext.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 18:19 (four weeks ago) Permalink

jesus fucking christ

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 18:25 (four weeks ago) Permalink

When I was in university taking a shuttle bus between campuses, I randomly overheard a girl (roughly my age at the time so I'd say 18-20) talking about how she'd had sex with someone from GD after a show. That's pretty second-hand, obviously, but it's always stayed with me.

Simon H., Tuesday, 14 November 2017 18:30 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Have other band members responded yet?

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 21:14 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Not that I've seen.

I finally brought myself to read the Pitchfork piece and jfc

Simon H., Wednesday, 15 November 2017 13:36 (three weeks ago) Permalink


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