Brand New: emo beacon or lesser light?

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So I've been listening to Brand New's Deja Entendu per a recommendation that panned out, and I wonder: how does this rate to those who have even the slightest bit invested in emo? I'm pretty rudderless when it comes to navigating this stuff, so give me some context.

Andy, Wednesday, 12 November 2003 07:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I just asked for context in the Disco-Tex thread I started, but in trying to think of context for Brand New, I'm finding it's officially hard. And yet. BN = Cap'n Jazz - suburban artiness + the Promise Ring - a lisp + Dashboard Confessional - tunes + a pointless rhythmic complexity that nonetheless sort of satisfies. Maybe they're post-post-emo, where the music starts to get technically complicated again (at least in the dreaded angular-guitars sense) without losing its Good Charlotte sheen.

Mikael Wood, Wednesday, 12 November 2003 07:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

TOTAL SHIT.

If you're into that type of stuff, go for the first Get Up Kids album, the first Promise Ring Album, all Cap'n Jazz, The Jazz June and the three proper Braid Albums,

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 13 November 2003 02:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Is this the one who looks like Morrissey?

Sonny A. (Keiko), Thursday, 13 November 2003 02:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Don't think, just pogo.

ModJ (ModJ), Thursday, 13 November 2003 04:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

seven years pass...

Although I definitely think The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me is the best thing they've ever done, "Jude Law and A Semester Abroad" stands up really fucking well, fuiud.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 00:22 (six years ago) Permalink

Deja Entendu is maybe my favorite album ever. Devil and God probably has better stuff on it, though.

C-L, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 01:08 (six years ago) Permalink

i will stand by this band forever, they are the best. <3 <3

marc iv, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 01:50 (six years ago) Permalink

* high five *

C-L, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 01:58 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

My secrets for a buck. Watch me as I cut myself wide open on this stage where I am paid to spill my guts.
Won't see home till Spring.
Oh I would kill for the Atlantic but I am paid to make girls panic when I sing.

Mordy, Sunday, 1 April 2012 03:40 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Okay so The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me is totally amazing.

Tim F, Sunday, 28 July 2013 12:50 (four years ago) Permalink

i used to be *really* into brand new when i was in HS

their first two albums are great too, esp deja

k3vin k., Sunday, 28 July 2013 14:11 (four years ago) Permalink

do iiii diviiiide and fall apart?

k3vin k., Sunday, 28 July 2013 14:33 (four years ago) Permalink

re: devil and god, probably the best rock record of the last ten years imo

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 28 July 2013 14:54 (four years ago) Permalink

It's very loud though. I have to find a way to listen to it that won't wake the entire apartment block.

Tim F, Sunday, 28 July 2013 17:33 (four years ago) Permalink

I need to pick up Deja Entendu I suppose.

Tim F, Sunday, 28 July 2013 17:41 (four years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Okay so The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me is totally amazing.

― Tim F, Sunday, July 28, 2013 8:50 AM (7 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this. i am tempted to quote that immortal ian zeiring line.

Vijay Zing (rip van wanko), Saturday, 15 March 2014 13:44 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Not blown away just yet but v v glad they're back

fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Monday, 13 April 2015 17:26 (two years ago) Permalink

!!!!

slothroprhymes, Monday, 13 April 2015 17:51 (two years ago) Permalink

sounds like "sink" and "archers," which i'm v down with

slothroprhymes, Monday, 13 April 2015 17:53 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

new song - a slow and depressive one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBen_48OOSU

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 16:54 (two years ago) Permalink

oh you got me excited there, thought they had put it out officially

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 17:06 (two years ago) Permalink

lol i only just heard about it, when i looked back at the post date i was like "o shit this was a month ago whoops"

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 17:11 (two years ago) Permalink

i have a friend that is sending me videos from their gig at Barcelona. i'm really mad. now i can't stop listening to them.

Nourry, Thursday, 28 May 2015 23:24 (two years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28YFesvcLS8

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 18:20 (one year ago) Permalink

dig that

k3vin k., Tuesday, 17 May 2016 18:25 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah that's great - excited for the new album

Mordy, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 18:31 (one year ago) Permalink

Sounds a little like the Kevin Devine album Lacey produced (not a bad thing)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 02:18 (one year ago) Permalink

fucking fantastic

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 21:32 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

context for anyone unfamiliar: in 2006, before devil and god came out, brand new's initial demos for the album were leaked; they included several songs that never appeared on any brand new record. jesse lacey was very angry about it at the time and iirc deliberately avoided properly recording the songs that leaked, so only "sowing season" and "luca" made it to the album, with "(fork and knife)" released as a single the following year. last year they remastered the old demos and released them officially. yesterday they put out an ep of newly-recorded studio versions of three of those demos. imo these songs are amazing and i'm so happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHcteXrBfuo

http://brandnewofficial.bandcamp.com/album/3-demos-reworked

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:34 (one year ago) Permalink

awesome

Spottie, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 19:05 (one year ago) Permalink

the coda of Missing You yesssss

Spottie, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 19:10 (one year ago) Permalink

omg that 1996 track is deja entendu level good

Mordy, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 21:51 (one year ago) Permalink

i've been obsessing over "battalions" from the demos record a lot lately & kinda wish they'd remade that, but it got turned into "archers" on devil & god, which is phenomenal, so i guess it wouldn't make sense

1996 is def the big prize here

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 14 July 2016 18:08 (one year ago) Permalink

they're all great tho, "brother's song" sadly remains relevant.

my only worry inre: these is that doing this kind of tinkering might keep them from finishing the final album (if it comes out at all if def will be final; they're selling t-shirts that read BRAND NEW 2000-2018 on them). they've clearly still got it, the hooks on "i am a nightmare" are some of the best they've ever written, and "mene" and "sealed to me" are great too.

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 14 July 2016 18:15 (one year ago) Permalink

they're putting out a single with "mene" and "out of range" too

real "emptying the vault before we release a new album and break up" vibe

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 July 2016 18:18 (one year ago) Permalink

heh i totally remember these songs, high school years coming back hard

k3vin k., Thursday, 14 July 2016 18:20 (one year ago) Permalink

xp agree re: breakup vibes. i'm wondering if they'll pull a radiohead and stuff the completed older songs on the album or if it'll be new-new stuff only

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 14 July 2016 18:22 (one year ago) Permalink

can't get over how good the reworked demos sound. tbh I doubt they'll be on the new album, or at least I really hope they won't be, the songs are ten years old ffs

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 July 2016 22:28 (one year ago) Permalink

the full set of 2006 demos are on spotify btw. i remember being obsessed with them around the time they leaked, but i'm pretty shocked at how well they've held up. this is really good stuff

k3vin k., Sunday, 17 July 2016 03:13 (one year ago) Permalink

I've heard that "three cheers" chorus before, has it been a part of their live sets?

skateboard of education (rip van wanko), Sunday, 17 July 2016 05:06 (one year ago) Permalink

oh yeah

k3vin k., Sunday, 17 July 2016 05:22 (one year ago) Permalink

six months pass...

i am the watch you always wear but you forget to wind

Mordy, Monday, 30 January 2017 22:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

one day in the future there will be a new brand new album and d*nald tr*mp will be dead

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 00:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

no one is allowed to bump this thread again until there is news of at least one of those things happening

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 00:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

six months pass...

NEW! ALBUM! IN! OCTOBER! http://www.procrastinatemusictraitors.com/

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 16:12 (two months ago) Permalink

AAAAAAH

also many thanks brad for honoring my request!!

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 16:37 (two months ago) Permalink

jesse was a big modest mouse fan back when i used to follow BN

k3vin k., Sunday, 20 August 2017 03:22 (one month ago) Permalink

some of the guitar parts on the devil & god felt very modest mouse but this album goes further in that direction

same logic/teeth through to in the water is a fantastic run of tracks

ufo, Sunday, 20 August 2017 04:46 (one month ago) Permalink

having a hard time deciding if maybe this is my fave BN album... this vs Devil and God is a classic higher highs vs. greater consistency battle

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 August 2017 05:00 (one month ago) Permalink

wait, which album matches which description for you?

rip van wanko, Sunday, 20 August 2017 05:05 (one month ago) Permalink

new new one is def more consistent

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 August 2017 12:39 (one month ago) Permalink

imo this is devil and god if every song were "you won't know"

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 August 2017 13:52 (one month ago) Permalink

The only thing that makes me sad about this album is that it doesn't seem like Jesse Lacey's head has become any easier a place to inhabit in the intervening years

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 20 August 2017 15:28 (one month ago) Permalink

my barber was very into the new album. he played a few songs -- very TDAG

k3vin k., Monday, 21 August 2017 23:44 (one month ago) Permalink

pox brand new

1996
limousine
same logic/teeth
noro
in the water
in a jar
okay i believe you but my tommy gun don't
you won't know
nobody moves
you stole

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 24 August 2017 00:00 (one month ago) Permalink

wow i'll have to think of mine

i think "can't get it out" is going to be on mine tho

k3vin k., Monday, 28 August 2017 03:42 (one month ago) Permalink

"no control" is like brand new doing the pains of being pure at heart

(it's awesome obv)

k3vin k., Monday, 28 August 2017 04:23 (one month ago) Permalink

not sure how i feel about "451" yet

k3vin k., Monday, 28 August 2017 04:30 (one month ago) Permalink

just gonna dampen expectations and say it's gonna be a video

http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/brand_new_fan_countdown_reddit

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 28 August 2017 19:56 (one month ago) Permalink

album no. 6

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 28 August 2017 20:00 (one month ago) Permalink

actually wait why would they tease a video three months in advance

arrrrrgh

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 28 August 2017 20:05 (one month ago) Permalink

This rundown ends on a brilliant note:

Brand New Scores First #1 Album
on The Billboard 200 with Science Fiction

#1 on The Billboard 200

#1 Album Sales

#1 Independent Album

#1 Digital Sales

1st Independently Released Album to Top the Charts in 2017
(Following Frank Ocean and Metallica in 2016)

3rd Rock Record to Snag #1 in 2017 (Incl. Arcade Fire & Linkin Park)

1st LI Artist to Top Charts Since Billy Joel w/ River of Dreams in 1993

Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 August 2017 21:53 (one month ago) Permalink

but what if it is a second album (!!!)

Mordy, Monday, 28 August 2017 23:53 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

apparently the countdown was a hoax

can anyone explain why wikipedia says "planned disbandment" and the RS review says it's their last album? i haven't been able to find any info on that

just another (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 23:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

they released shirts last year that said "brand new 2000-2018"

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 23:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

ahh ok

just another (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:05 (three weeks ago) Permalink

they're a cryptic band though and i don't really trust them to follow through on it

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 15:49 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i'm finding myself really moved by "in the water". this album is basically reminding me why i was obsessed with this band in high school

k3vin k., Sunday, 24 September 2017 03:31 (three weeks ago) Permalink

and yeah, "batter up"....damn

k3vin k., Sunday, 24 September 2017 03:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

this album gets better and better with every listen. so many unexpected turns

k3vin k., Tuesday, 26 September 2017 03:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah loving it. still getting to know it.

Spottie, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 04:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

That opening to "Waste" sounds so much like The Cranberries' "Zombie" it throws me off every time

Evan R, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 20:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

ha!

this album is so richly varied. the flawless shoegaze of "no control"; "desert", which basically sounds like jesse doing a stephen malkmus song; and of course morrissey all over.

my current favorite moment is the bridge to "could never be heaven"

godddddd is dead

k3vin k., Thursday, 28 September 2017 02:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

well said

I do love this album but it's so despairing I find myself having to limit my exposure to it somewhat

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 28 September 2017 02:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

K this is good

flopson, Thursday, 28 September 2017 04:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

That opening to "Waste" sounds so much like The Cranberries' "Zombie" it throws me off every time

And Modest Mouse in "Same Logic", and Tool in "137", and Weezer in "No Control"... It's very distracting.

ArchCarrier, Thursday, 28 September 2017 11:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm going to have to edit the shit out of all these interludes tagged to the end of a lot of these songs. Wish most of them were their own songs.

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Saturday, 30 September 2017 00:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i love the unresolved punk song at the end of “no control”

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 30 September 2017 00:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The guitar solo in "137" is the most glorious musical moment of 2017.

ArchCarrier, Friday, 6 October 2017 09:47 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm going to have to edit the shit out of all these interludes tagged to the end of a lot of these songs. Wish most of them were their own songs.

― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Friday, September 29, 2017 8:17 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can you YSI if you do this? after listening to it for the 20th time theyre really starting to get on my nerves

flopson, Friday, 6 October 2017 19:57 (one week ago) Permalink

You can easily do this yourself with a lossless MP3 editor. The best one I know is MP3DirectCut (Windows only).

ArchCarrier, Saturday, 7 October 2017 06:05 (one week ago) Permalink

ya i could do it on audacity right now tbh i'm just bizy and figured if someone else had already done it

flopson, Saturday, 7 October 2017 20:52 (one week ago) Permalink

the skits are rly cool and creepy the first 20 listens tho

flopson, Saturday, 7 October 2017 20:53 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah i like the "skits" (not sure that's what i'd call them tho)

k3vin k., Saturday, 7 October 2017 20:57 (one week ago) Permalink

Every night you were tripping out
In the morning you were coming down
If it's breaking your heart, if nothing is fun
Don't lose hope, my son
This is the last one

https://i.imgur.com/PFcnEiX.gif

flopson, Saturday, 7 October 2017 21:14 (one week ago) Permalink

i don't usually get that stoked about live concerts even for bands i love but this is one of the albums where i need to see them touring this material

flopson, Saturday, 7 October 2017 21:17 (one week ago) Permalink

largely because i need a socially acceptable outlet to singalong to some of these choruses in public

flopson, Saturday, 7 October 2017 21:17 (one week ago) Permalink

is this band/album too normie for the rest of the 1975 cru?

k3vin k., Friday, 13 October 2017 23:40 (three days ago) Permalink

tim f is a fan of the devil and god iirc

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 14 October 2017 03:42 (two days ago) Permalink

i have a new favorite every night. this album gives and gives. listening to new music from this band (my favorite in high school/early college 10 years ago) when it's THIS GOOD fills me with a unique sort of nostalgia. or a sense of completeness/closure, idk

k3vin k., Sunday, 15 October 2017 04:19 (yesterday) Permalink

ha yeah i remember digging manchester orchestra a little back in the day, they toured with brand new at least once iirc. ill give it a spin

k3vin k., Sunday, 15 October 2017 04:39 (yesterday) Permalink

yeah I saw them together around 2009

Spottie, Sunday, 15 October 2017 04:43 (yesterday) Permalink

first time I listened to the intro to SF I was afraid Jesse had gone full Tom Delonge

botex (rip van wanko), Sunday, 15 October 2017 20:53 (yesterday) Permalink

and then the first few strums of Can't Get Out had me thinking he'd gone full Jeff Mangum

botex (rip van wanko), Sunday, 15 October 2017 20:58 (yesterday) Permalink

jesse is an obsessive NMH fan, if you heard something it's quite possibly intentional

k3vin k., Sunday, 15 October 2017 21:13 (yesterday) Permalink


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