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So who else is falling in love with them?

Tim is welcome to euologise again, because he is an incredibly evocative writer and because he's ace all round, but has anyone else discovered their glories?

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 30 January 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes. Since I Left You is fantastic. I don't know what else to say, because in many ways the album's experience defies attempts to put it into words, such is the staggering range of emotions and moods it takes me through.

I did put up a review of "Frontier Psychiatrist" on my blog, but it doesn't fully do justice to the song, and certainly not to the album.

Ian White, Wednesday, 31 January 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Why thank you, Robin. I hope this enthusiasm spills over into updates of your site. ;-)

I don't have much to add that wasn't in my review, but what is interesting is how amazingly popular the album is here in Australia. Topping all the critics' lists, number six on the official national "alternative chart" (whatever that means), "Frontier Psychiatrist" voted 6th best song of the year by listeners of Triple J, the very popular national youth radio network. And of course the album plays everywhere, especially in music stores.

Sometimes this turns me against an album (the overkill effect), but instead all I can feel is a strange excitement - there are obviously a lot of people out there who are listening to really good music! The world can't be all bad.

Not surprising though, I guess. A great deal of the album's magic stems from the fact that as strange and wonderful it is, it's also a very accessable album. It's a party record as well as a sonic treasure chest, and its strict sampling aesthetic is leavened by the overwhelming presence of great toonz. There's something quite heartening about a record that can cross so many boundaries like that. Maybe it's the Dubya of pop?

Hopefully I'll get to see them live in two weeks. Already excited.

Tim, Wednesday, 31 January 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I have heard some tracks which I downloaded with Napster, they sound allright esp. the one with the MBV whoosh. 2 tracks have a bit of sunny Daft Punk feel which is just okay with me. Think I'll have to hear the cd as a whole for a true enlightenment. XL Recordings were plugging them in an ad together with upcoming releases by Basement Jaxx and The Prodigy. But yeah I see the potential for crossover a la Basement Jaxx/Daft Punk.

Omar, Wednesday, 31 January 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm cross cause I first heard them last autumn after a recommendation from a guest on Robert Elms's BBC London Live of all places. He was going on about this amazing segued album like nothing else from Australia that everyone should hear (but hadn't got it with him). It sounded intriguing enough for me to look on Napster for stuff by them, and found 'Frontier Psychiatrist' . I thought it was a gas (although I wondered about its novelty wearing off) but hadn't got around to hunting out the album. I will, though. I suppose the only point of this message is to register my feeling that I ought to have told you all about it back then. It's rare that I discover things before you lot!

N. xx

Nick, Wednesday, 31 January 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't feel too bad Nick, although it was locked in record company limbo for ages, it only came out in Australia on November 27th, and it's not coming out in Europe till April. As for the US, who knows?

Tim, Wednesday, 31 January 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Everybody's a bastard son of a whore if this doesn't get US release. I'm sure 12 minutes after I buy the Aussie version, it'll get domestic release and taunt me with its $10.99 price tag. This already happened with the last Boredoms proper album. Fuckit, I get a good exchange rate from you blokes. Or hey, fuckit, the CD I burned sounds pretty good too.

Otis Wheeler, Wednesday, 31 January 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Avalanches are great. I bought the album as soon as it came out, being from Melbourne it is always a good thing to support local music, especially if it is really good music for a change. At first though, I have to say that the mix on the album was a bit muddled to listen to. The layered tracks becoming too textured by various beeping and electronic sound effects, not as defined as a strictly dance release (ie the Basement Jaxx/Daft Punk comparison). Consequently, it was difficult to get my head around for a while. However, on much repeated listening, especially on headphones, the complexity breaks down and each recognized 'moment' on the album becomes strangely enduring. The repeated screams and horse neighs, for example, tie the continuous flow of sounds together nicely, though how this might contribute to the 'theme' of an ill-fated voyage is still a mystery to me. In any case, it makes me proud to come from Melbourne, a city with a healthy music scene, apparently.

Michael Dieter, Thursday, 1 February 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Unfortunately I missed the album lauch for 'Since I left You,' and considering the last time I saw them was over a year ago, seeing them last weekend at the Big Day Out (Australia's travelling hullapalooza) was a joyous experience. Their time is certainly now, with a magic stage presence complete with instrument swapping, some kick-ass wrestling moves and of course the brilliant tunes. An entire crowd and the rest of the band pointing at Dexter singing 'that boy needs therapy' and a lounged up version of 'like a rolling stone' were one of the many highlights ...catch them live soon.

Jeremy Shiell, Sunday, 4 February 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

One Melbourne Street-Press

www.beat.com.au

said that the BDO performance was boring (more or less), did you go the Melbourne concert?

Michael, Monday, 5 February 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful..........

sisoje, Monday, 5 February 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Being an Australian, the Avalanches are the only local band that I've really felt excited about in, well, YEARS. It seems to totally go against the whiney pseudo-grunge bands or insipid limp bizkit rip- offs that having been blighting the Australian music scene throughout the nineties and into the noughties.

I'm seeing them next week! :)

-Mike

michael stuchbery, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
What I've heard so far - and that's a handful of tracks, not the album (which is why I'm flying this kite here not on the site) - has been disappointing, especially given the number of people whose tastes I greatly admire (Tim, Otis, Simon Reynolds) who have been raving about it.

What seems to be the problem, listening to the single, is that the band - like most crate-digging outfits - are too tasteful in their bliss. It's a single that does for breezy, uplifting pop what mid-90s trip-hop did for funk and old skool rap: fusses over it and squashes it a little.

Chatting on IM I compared it to GYBE!, too - the problem with that band being that they take a set of sounds which they know and we know stand for certain emotional things (seriousness, high emotion, existential pain) and they work them and work them and yes, we do feel that stuff, and they're a likeable and effective band for me but impossible to love. And I'm concerned that the Avalanches might have a similar effect - house beasts, lounge sounds, fluttery vocals, goofy samples, ah right I need to be joyful now, ta muchly.

Or maybe I'm overanalysing and I just don't like the band because the tunes are a bit sickly.

Tom, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm a little disappointed really.

i think sukia, east of suez and tipsy have all done better with this template (although, having said that, the new tipsy album is a little disappointing too)

some of 'since i left you' is pretty good, its just nowhere near as good as everyone says.

oh, and does anyone remember that song 'slow walking' that the avalanches did a couple years ago? now, that was superb (although the rest of that ep was deadly dull)

gareth, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I have heard nothing from them yet, but I'm intrigued. Reynold's review in Uncut didn't really reveal why they're so good, but instead makes me expect "upbeat wackiness" of some kind.

On previous experience, DJ Shadow excepted, records with hundreds of samples stuck together can irritate. I guess it takes a real talent to "hear" how to integrate lots of disparate components to make something that is more than the sum of the pieces. In some ways I'd rather not know that the Avalanches record was a patchwork of samples. I'd rather see what I think, and find out later.

Are there any albums to which "Since I..." can be compared in MOOD, regardless of whether they were recorded conventionally or are sample- heavy?

Dr. C, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone here familiar with alpha?

fred solinger, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Since I started the ball rolling, I thought I'd weigh in here...

I can almost understand why those discovering The Avalanches now might find them disappointing. Firstly, "Since I Left You" is a brilliant opener but an awful awful single. Standing alone it sounds pat, smug and ineffectual whereas on the album it strikes me as glorious and wondrous.

It's obviously been given the big push in the UK because the band now have a celebrated aesthetic and that song serves as a talking point for it in a way that "Frontier Psychiatrist" certainly didn't. And that's what was nice about the album when it came out here: that "what the fuck?" element when the expected indie-punk-hop moves were unexpectedly jettisoned in favour of such sweeping beauty. But now beauty is the band's schtick, so nothing shocks.

And obviously a couple of us did the naughty thing of building up this album to impossibly high expectations, and again the consequence is that the band acquire an uncomfortable sense of auteur-ship. Like, I find it interesting that Tom would use GYBE! as a comparison. I totally understand his point, but I reckon The Avalanches are a lot less deliberate or thought-out than GYBE! (or any of the current post-rock bands for that matter). I mean these guys are basically a group of larrakins who jump around on stage, and if anything the album's (relative) professionalism is a happy accident.

Obviously I can't just wave my hands and make everyone like it. I've been avoiding listening to it since my good headphones broke, but I know that my ardour hasn't faded.

Tim, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

So maybe I'm the one in the corner now, standing solo?

I can see what Tom means about their sound being too predictably tasteful, but the single is unrepresentative. It's pretty much an introduction; when you get further into the album tracks like "A Different Feeling", "Two Hearts In 3-4 Time" and "Close to You" do the euphoric bliss thing far better and far less formulaically.

I don't think they're anything like as "wacky" as Dr C suspects; "Frontier Psychiatrist" is a red herring. "Etoh" and "Summer Crane" are where they really shine, after we're over that aberration; the latter has a rebirth of 70s radio pop cliche to at least equal Daft Punk's "Digital Love".

I think I may have overrated it slightly on Elidor, but only slightly. If you don't feel about halfway through "Electricity" that the rest of the world is suddenly far uglier and far more backward than it was yesterday, and it is now your duty to walk through each moment with a new zest, a new fervour, then I'm not sure whether you should be here.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

is being given to hyperbole a prerequisite for being an avalanches fans? ;)

but seriously, yes, as tim brings up, i blame the lot of you -- tim, robin, otis, ian -- for building expectations up to olympian heights. i *like* the avalanches, but i get the feeling from some that that's not enough; that anything less than devoting your life to them amounts to effrontery of the highest order. i can take some tracks, but i'd end up leaving more. it's a great -- bear with the use of the word here -- "gimmick," but the tunes don't stand up for me. perhaps this will be different by the next album, perhaps this is merely a warm-up. as always, time will tell.

the feeling i'm left with is that an album that alters one's world view should be a bit more convincing. to my ears, since i left you seems content to be breezy and pleasant, but i need more than that. the album, and i almost feel like i can't say this enough, *for me*, lacks a core, it lacks heart. it seems less like music made with genuine joy and love (cf. discovery) than like music crafted with...no, it sounds crafted, period. allow me to pigeonhole it as dance so that i may wrap this up: i believe that dance music is an appeal to your heart and soul from the beyond, which is why i'm not feeling since i left you: it comes across as dance music for your head.

fred solinger, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Fred:

"is being given to hyperbole a prerequisite for being an avalanches fans :)."

Well, maybe :). I do see what you mean that perhaps it doesn't necessarily utterly alter your view of the world in the way that such rapturous praise as thrown forward by myself and Tim, and that, by those criteria, it is a disappointment. I don't have any problem with others like yourself setting up their own, less ambitious criteria, and judging "Since I Left You" to be a success on those terms.

However, when the word "crafted" is used as a pejorative term, I do sometimes start worrying whether outmoded ideas about "meaning it" are being brought into the debate. I don't think *you* are, Fred, but I think you're stepping onto slightly dodgy ground. "Discovery" sounds to me at least as crafted as "Since I Left You"; obviously it's not based around sample collages, but the pomo craft mentality is still there, just less blatant.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Fred:

"is being given to hyperbole a prerequisite for being an avalanches fans :)."

Well, maybe :). I do see what you mean that perhaps it doesn't necessarily utterly alter your view of the world in the way that such rapturous praise as thrown forward by myself and Tim, and that, by those criteria, it is a disappointment. I don't have any problem with others like yourself setting up their own, less ambitious criteria, and judging "Since I Left You" to be a success on those terms.

However, when the word "crafted" is used as a pejorative term, I do sometimes start worrying whether outmoded ideas about "meaning it" are being brought into the debate. I don't think *you* are, Fred, but I think you're stepping onto slightly dodgy ground. "Discovery" sounds to me at least as crafted as "Since I Left You"; obviously it's not based around sample collages, but the pomo craft mentality is still there, just less obvious.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry for the above - I slightly altered it to make the last word seem less of a (possible) diss of the Avalanches, and it comes in twice. Heigh-ho :).

Robin Carmody, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

robin:

i highly agree with you that discovery is a crafted album: of this there can be no doubt. however, the point i was trying to make, though i think i failed, was that since i left you sounds crafted. period. like a chemistry experiment. whereas, yes, discovery is crafted, but it goes on from there. and of course this is all highly subjective. ;)

fred solinger, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Fred, it's a sample-based album. Of course it feels "crafted". Robin's right as well in that _Discovery_ is equally crafted, but - importantly - that's *why* it's good. And even if, as I imagine you do, you mean by "crafted" that it's a cynical deployment of readily available themes and ideas, can I just say, eh, U2? "Since I Left You" (the song) strikes me as a lot more effective than "Beautiful Day".

I listened to the album again on good headphones on the way to university today, and yes it is still marvelous marvelous marvelous and I wouldn't change a word of my review. As much as I tend to be on the side of pop when it comes to double-standards, the deliberacy with which The Avalanches stake out their emotional targets doesn't strike me as a problem any more than it does with Destiny's Child or Britney. When I listen to "Born To Make You Happy" I recognise its manipulativeness (albeit not with such an English inflection) but I still *do* feel sad. So is the difference with, let us say, *alternative* music that there's a presumed smugness and/or claim to authenticity that irritates, or is it that we do in fact demand this authenticity in a way we have long ceased to in pop? Is the distinction with Daft Punk that they've so consistently played the artificiality card that the only recourse left to the thinking listener is to perversely perceive an *enhanced* authenticity or sense of meaning?

Ultimately Fred, as I noted before, I can't make you enjoy the album (and indeed you seem to take pleasure in that fact; how very Ned-like of you) but the implication of the "avalanches backlash" is that _Since I Left You_ is an album that dupes people, which hurts me in my heart.

Tim, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

PS. the "English inflection" bit was supposed to be a reference to Tom's "ta muchly" line but its parent sentence got gutted.

Tim, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Possible difference - Britney and especially DC present us with pop scenarios (though lyrics and subject) which cant help but shape the emotional response to the song, so the manipulation becomes less abstracted and less of an issue.

The authenticity thing is a bit of a red herring. I dont think manipulation has anything to do with the realness or not of pop music. The annoying dialogue around sample-based records tends to be one of look-how-eclectic-rare-etc.-these-sounds-are: you're invited to admire the artist's tastes. But that's not happened with the Avalanches so far.

I dont know though, I've just not liked what I've heard much and thought I'd better grope around for a reason. Basically it catapults yours and Robin's soul into an ocean of joy and it leaves me thinking hold on, this is a bit cloying and annoying. And it's always easier to explain why you like something than why you don't. I've got other criticisms but I want to listen to the album and decide whether I'm right about them or not.

Tom, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i guess, to set the record straight, i should put forth a definition of "crafted." when i use crafted above, i mean that the record sounds like a math equation and is just as rigid, i.e. since i left you doesn't strike me as a "loose" record; there seems to be a place for everything and everything is in its place. u2 is a very fine comparison point, i think. let's talk about "walk on" because i'd cede that "since i left you" (the song) is better than "beautiful day." is it crafted? yesssss, and i think i said as much in my review many moons ago, but what it comes down to is the quality of the parts, in which case i'd come down on the side of u2. the heart and soul i speak of with regards to daft punk no longer seems present in current-day u2, but the music is still agreeable to my ears and i readily admit that i have different expectations when it comes to different genres of music.

daft punk! they could be very well duping me into thinking that they mean all of what they're recording and it's really all just a big joke; i probably buy their simplicity of lyric and emotion because they're foreign and i potentially don't give them enough credit, etc. without getting further mired in theory, discovery hits the bullseye on my heart whereas since i left you merely grazes the ear. meanwhile, there is much hurt in that very same heart by your assertion that i take pleasure in disliking the album in ned- like fashion! ned-like! rarely have i been so insulted. but, yeah, i really wish that i loved since i left you as some of you do; i'm consistently looking out for new music to catapult my heart to the stars and based on all i heard i'm rather disappointed that it wasn't to be with me and the avalanches, though i shall continue to lend it my ear. most troubling, though, is that while i've not taken to the avalanches, radiohead's amnesiac, based on what i've listened to, is quickly becoming something i'm looking forward to. shocker!

fred solinger, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Must apologise for the implication in one of my earlier posts that "Discovery" and "Since I Left You" were pretty much the same thing. Having listened to both albums virtually all yesterday, the difference became very clear; "Discovery" is far *smoother*, for want of a better term, and because it's based around a comparatively streamlined, clean, direct sound rather than the Avalanches' hysterical sampladelia, I can see why it would seem more "meaningful" and "Since I Left You" seem more "contrived". I can see where you're coming from, Fred, and in many similar cases I'd agree with you.

Tom - I'd be *very* interested in your response to the album. I still think you'd realise after a while that it isn't that cloying and it *isn't* one of those emptily "smart", "superior" pomo projects, and in fact the most immediately striking thing about it is that it isn't like that. You were slightly disadvantaged by hearing "Frontier Psychiatrist" first - admittedly so did I, but I'd heard the whole album very soon and realised how (happily) untypical a novelty dud it is.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I bought the album last night because I needed cheering up. And it cheered me up. Can't say fairer than that.

Yes, it works better as an album. It reminds me of a blither version of Hal Willner's Whoops, I'm An Indian - much more technically and sonically tingly but lacking the witty and beguiling mystery that album had for me. It's a good record, it'll soundtrack a Summer well and it deserves the praise it's getting if not the *degree* of praise.

Tom, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Finally got the album...nice! Somehow very light on first listen. Even 'Frontier Psychiatrist' isn't that irritating anymore in the overall context.

But to finally anwser Dr.C's query: it's very hard to find a record to compare it with. Certainly not 'Discovery' (impossible). It just reminds me a bit of DJ Food's 'Recipe for Disaster'. I would think a rock-crit description could be along the lines of Mantronix doing a megamix with Art of Noise.

Omar, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Avalances is, as Tim says, the result of happy accident, those original combinations are still evident, but then the raw inspiration has been sugar coated, or sun kissed, (depending on how you take it.) In particular I'm impressed what appears to be 'a love of their own sound', almost as if this album is a celebration of the initial mix, and although I agree with the critisism that it lacks 'heart' (since when did party soundtracks need a heart) their passion is expressed in the unremitting enthusiasm. On first listen, I found myself trying to turn it off after the a couple tracks, just for being too damn perky, but it was impossible, like making you way back to the shore when the waves keep crashing over and dragging you back out. Despite my initial problems the shameless effervescance rises above the eclectic self-congratulation that limits so many other bargain bin excursions, and the sequence of 'A Different Feeling' and 'Electricity' are evidence that there's more to them than mere play.
It's a milestone on the dull route from Cold-cut's Journeys By DJs, which shares the same broad scope, but lacks the lazer sighted attention to detail, that comes as the result of studio post- production. I'm surprised they pulled it off as access to a vinyl stackola and a DMX champion DJ is no guarantee of success. Still sublime, still ridiculous.
By the way, what's the Ehot sample, the vocoded mantra, something circa 96/97, Up Bustle and Out perhaps? Please, it's driving me mad.

K-reg, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Avalances vs Daft Punk? Similar in that they are both complete albums, work from what has already come before, and share a sense of humour, but DP are taking a different position to the Avalances. I find that whereas A seem to be revelling in what they have found, making jokes, DP don't make the distinction between themselves and the music, the humour is dead-pan, suggesting that they themselves are the source of the music (this backed up by the robot gag)

K-reg, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Have no idea what the vocoder vocals from "Etoh" are from originally, but it's probably my favourite moment on the album - funny that Daft Punk and The Avalanches both hit upon the idea of robots scatting at the same time. Admittedly the processes and results are both quite different. I think the vocal says "Did me wrong" before it launches off into cut up mayhem, if that helps at all.

Tim, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Trawling through the net to see if anybody had i.d'd the dexter sample (i heard it was from the same old film that might have inspired the cartoon). Anyhow just thought id contribute my view, I found the single Since I Left You exceedingly annoying, I dont know if it would sound better in context with the rest of the album but somehow i doubt it. The only other track i have heard is Frontier Psychiatry which was in a cold cut set i have on bootleg, i have to admit that I really like the cold-cut like crasy sampling of the tune, but from what people have posted here I somehow doubt that theres anything else on the album like it.

Nick Davidson, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Decided not to wait for the American release, and I don't regret it. This is an excellent album, no question, but from what people were saying I expected it to be a little more, er, revolutionary or something. Like a new direction in music. Not that good music need take a new direction. It kind of reminds me of The Clientele, in that The Avalanches work within an established form and do it very, very well, instead of trying something new.

The way each song flows into the next (what brilliant editing!), I'm sure it works much better as a whole. This is not a record for the Napster freaks, I don't think. So anyone who has heard a track or two and is on the fence should take the plunge.

Mark, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
Catching Dexter, the Avalanches DJ, in a few weeks, he's supposed to cut it up real well live and has received huge props from Public Enemy's Chuck D. Grandmaster Flash called him the most creative and original DJ in the world. Oh and he's Australian

mentalist (mentalist), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:10 (seventeen years ago) link

your point?

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:17 (seventeen years ago) link

the most creative and original DJ in the world is Australian!

s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:20 (seventeen years ago) link

What is that beautiful image, Spencer?

Sonny A. (Keiko), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:35 (seventeen years ago) link

My point about what?

That luminarioes say he's great? well that just shows I'm a shallow person influenced by what other people say rather than what I hear.

That he's Australian? that my shallowness extends to the lowest most destructive emotion, patriotism,

That I am seeing him live in few weeks? that my general shallowness inevitably leads to the conclusion that I will have to see him live in the next few weeks (along with the Mad Professor).

Bring it on

mentalist (mentalist), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:00 (seventeen years ago) link

where did grandmaster flash call him the most original and creative dj in the world?

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I've seen it quoted many places around the web. Try a search in google ["grandmaster flash" dexter avalanches] and you'll find many references to what Grandmaster Flash (and Chuck D) have said about him.

mentalist (mentalist), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 03:03 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, I'm finding alot of references to him saying it but I haven't actually found the place (or context) he said it. has anyone under 40 said it?

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 03:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I just did :)

mentalist (mentalist), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 04:10 (seventeen years ago) link

What is that beautiful image, Spencer?

That's from a t-shirt they sell on their website.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 04:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I love that white Stepford-Cat!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 07:13 (seventeen years ago) link

What's the deal with the Avalanches these days? So much love back in early 2001, then they seemed to disappear without trace almost as quickly as they appeared.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 08:15 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm under 40, and i'll say it too.

their supposed to be working on the new record now. who knows when it'll see the light of day. i doubt it would be before late 2004.

glenny g2003 (glenny g2003), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 10:10 (seventeen years ago) link

people over 40 = not allowed to like or talk about good music, donchaknow...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 10:42 (seventeen years ago) link

huh I thought the stereolab remix came out back in 01 or 02?

brimstead, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 01:06 (two months ago) link

I want to hear all these remixes about 1000x more than I want to hear the new album lol

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 01:10 (two months ago) link

oh yeah oops, it was that they'd supposedly lost the master by 2011, so posted a vinyl rip on soundcloud as a teaser for the deluxe

@oneposter (⛰️) (sic), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 01:12 (two months ago) link

I'll take the Black Dice remix if no one else wants it

lukas, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 02:45 (two months ago) link

I’m 50/50 on the Stereolab remix. The sort of interlude feels out of place and is not that good to begin with, and ideally I would have added Sadier singing either the original vocal sample or completely new lyrics.

The remix sounds like it’s got a really good thing going on but it needed further work, imho. Can’t blame the deadline on this one.

Haven’t heard any other remixes, are they all available somewhere?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 06:11 (two months ago) link

Tonight May Have To Last Me All My Life (Dragged by Leon Vynehall)

oh shiiii

nashwan, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 10:29 (two months ago) link

Haven’t heard any other remixes, are they all available somewhere?

I mean, you can see how well the attempt to collect half of them is going so far...

(there were also remixes of Electricity by DJ Sneak and by Herbert as Dr Rockit, of A Different Feeling by Ernest St Laurent, of Thank You Caroline by Andy Votel, and the Avalanches did their own re-edit of the Paperclip People remix that's half as long & at the original tempo.)

@oneposter (⛰️) (sic), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 11:48 (two months ago) link

more non-album new music: a The Avalanches feat. Perry Farrell track from an upcoming Perry Farrell box set (youtube audio-only link)

@oneposter (⛰️) (sic), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 13:15 (two months ago) link

Not sold on most songs released so far but “take care in your dreaming” really works for me.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 20 November 2020 02:14 (one month ago) link

the perry farrell track is on the album actually

ufo, Friday, 20 November 2020 02:51 (one month ago) link

Looks like either half of it is (I'm assuming the Avs album is a continuous segued mix), or a different version?

Anyway now that Melbourne's allowed to go outside, here's Robbie and Tony live at the planetarium:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evju5Sa-NPk

(with Leon Bridges live in a studio in Texas)

@oneposter (💹) (sic), Friday, 20 November 2020 03:14 (one month ago) link

ah, i hadn't seen the track times for the album yet

ufo, Friday, 20 November 2020 03:19 (one month ago) link

(I had to check a bunch of sites to get details, but Apple Music has it at 2:18 vs 3:44 for the Farrell-uploaded version)

@oneposter (💹) (sic), Friday, 20 November 2020 04:00 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

halfway through my first listen and i'm really pleasantly surprised how good it is. much better than wildflower

ufo, Thursday, 10 December 2020 22:53 (one month ago) link

i was not expecting kurt vile kinda rapping?

ufo, Thursday, 10 December 2020 23:30 (one month ago) link

Less interesting than Wildflower, IMHO. Hard to compare really, as it's so much more floaty and smooooth, pretty much exactly as preview tracks have hinted.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 10 December 2020 23:50 (one month ago) link

Has anyone grumbled about their guest appearance being so fleeting? lol. eg. Karen O's 30-second recitation of the same David Berman verse as Pink Siifu's.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 11 December 2020 02:30 (one month ago) link

it's a much more cohesive whole than wildflower was and i definitely prefer the spacey soul/disco sound pallet of this one to wildflower's psych-pop/hip hop.

ufo, Friday, 11 December 2020 02:59 (one month ago) link

It's growing on me!

Also totally approve of their use of the Arecibo message. Even raised it with some fellow [though oblivious-to-the-Avalanches] nerds this morning. :)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 11 December 2020 03:05 (one month ago) link

the real highlight here is "the divine chord"

ufo, Friday, 11 December 2020 04:20 (one month ago) link

I feel like ...did they really need Johnny Marr for "The Divine Chord? There's almost no guitar on it and it's super basic.

daavid, Friday, 11 December 2020 17:20 (one month ago) link

Listened to this once through. Got bored halfway. There's some parts I like, some parts I don't (choir, possibly of the child variety; Kurt Bile; Rivers Cuomo). I'd read ufo's post beforehand, was liking a track and was hoping it wasn't "Divine Chord" because if that was the highlight I figured I'd be in for an underwhelming listen. Turned out to be the case. I can't see wanting to listen to it much again. Don't think there's any other conclusion for me personally other than SILY was lightning in a bottle and I'm glad it exists and if I ever want to listen to The Avalanches, that'll be the one. Maybe a stray track from the other albums too.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 11 December 2020 18:55 (one month ago) link

Lol auto correct to Kurt Bile

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 11 December 2020 18:56 (one month ago) link

I've had "Reflecting Light" echoing around head overnight. Which I'm taking as a positive.

One thing I wish they'd worked on is the segues from track to track. I suspect I'd be digging it more with the relatively seamless transitions of a SILY. Some of the more inconsequential-on-their-own interludes risk interrupting the flow rather than building cohesion when they fade to (near-) silence each time. (Admittedly I say this about a LOT of LPs. LOL. And some of this might even be an artifact of Spotify listening, but certainly not all of it.)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:53 (one month ago) link

this is a wonderful background record for playing cards

nxd, Monday, 14 December 2020 01:43 (one month ago) link

the segues are a lot better than on wildflower. it's not entirely a seamless sily-style mix but it doesn't seem like they're ever going to do something like that again

ufo, Monday, 14 December 2020 01:53 (one month ago) link

I'm not ready to say I hate this record, but there are too many generic electronica moments. I like Wildflower much more, for sure.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 14 December 2020 02:55 (one month ago) link

Title track just seems like an awkward childish pastiche of sounds. Distasteful

calstars, Monday, 14 December 2020 03:21 (one month ago) link

It makes me just want to listen to The Roches.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 14 December 2020 03:32 (one month ago) link

I was watching a fantano video a few weeks ago in which his followers sent him their favorite albums of all time and found it surprising that Wildflower was in several lists. I knew it was well regarded, but saying it’s a “best of all time” album seems excessive. It’s not even the best album of 2016.

To each their own.

I still agree that Dj Koze’s Amygdala and Knock Knock are comparable and possibly better albums.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 14 December 2020 04:32 (one month ago) link

Most of it is ok for background music, and has a dreamlike flow which I like, but I agree that it has many distasteful decisions thrown in there.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 14 December 2020 04:37 (one month ago) link

listening now, finally. this is basically a gorillaz album.

la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Thursday, 17 December 2020 19:22 (four weeks ago) link

a tasteful one, though, with a more interesting array of collaborators.

la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Thursday, 17 December 2020 19:26 (four weeks ago) link

I'm not feeling it... yet.

Pre-Raphaelite Brah (King Boy Pato), Friday, 18 December 2020 11:59 (four weeks ago) link

makes me wish they did a proper disco album and an ambient album

scanner darkly, Saturday, 19 December 2020 07:27 (four weeks ago) link

man this record is awesome

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 21 December 2020 16:17 (three weeks ago) link

listening now, finally. this is basically a gorillaz album.

― la table sur la table (voodoo chili),

Yeah, I came here to post that this is basically my favourite Gorillaz album.

kitchen person, Monday, 21 December 2020 16:24 (three weeks ago) link

i remain suspicious of jamie xx but "wherever you go" -> "music makes me high" is my favorite part of this record, total euphoria

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 21 December 2020 16:47 (three weeks ago) link

i also really enjoyed wildflower though, the avalanches are good

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 21 December 2020 16:49 (three weeks ago) link

Wildflower had some really amazing songs. I don’t hate this one but nothing in it shines for me in the same way that Colours, If I was a folkstar, subways, because I’m me, stepkids... all did.

Maybe I need to listen to it in a different frame of mind. This year I’m not feeling this one.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 21 December 2020 17:10 (three weeks ago) link

this one feels more like a DJ mix of original music than an album of songs

la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Monday, 21 December 2020 17:11 (three weeks ago) link

i was hoping to hear something on the album that would top the tracks released pre-album, the experience i had with both SILO and wildflower.
not the case with WWALY, "red lights" and "music makes me high" remain the highlights, the latter grew on me a lot.
such pure joy. i want a full album of that.

scanner darkly, Monday, 21 December 2020 18:26 (three weeks ago) link

There had better be an extended 12” mix of “Music Gets Me High,” criminal if not.

spastic heritage, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 14:08 (three weeks ago) link

Interview mainly on the technical details of making the new album: https://www.musictech.net/features/interviews/the-avalanches-we-will-always-love-you/

They've finally moved to working in Pro Tools, and Andy from Midnight Juggies made the band (back) into a trio for this entire LP.

shivers me timber (sic), Monday, 4 January 2021 02:13 (one week ago) link

Just been listening to this the last few days, it's real nice. The back half especially is a nice continual flow, with some good hooks. Like, from "We Go On" onward. The front is good too, but more song-by-song variability.

For folks who preferred Gimix to Since I Left You, here's a radio promo mix for We Will Always Love You, featuring about 1/3 of the album's songs mixed with inspirations, collaborators and sample sources.

shivers me timber (sic), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 23:06 (one week ago) link

yknow I think the only thing I don’t approve of on gimmix is when they play more of the kid creole song. that sample rocks, tho

brimstead, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 01:07 (one week ago) link

used to think “turning the drum upside down” was slang for like a really awesome dance party

brimstead, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 01:09 (one week ago) link

From 1997, an interview and live footage from just after Dexter joined the band.

(Skip to 16.40 if timed link doesn't work.)

shivers me timber (sic), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:40 (three days ago) link


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