Hiphop? DefJux - No. Anticon - No. Lex - No. So??? [The Recommend Me Some Undie Rap Treehouse-- Admin]

agreed.

Ain't heard much Anticon lately, but unlike most Jux artists they seem like they don't care that much about EPMD or Wu-Tang. They do have interesting beats sometimes (they sampled Tubeway Army's "Down in the Park" once). If you're really good at playing "Let's Pretend" you can sort of wish Dose One into sounding like Cee-lo.

Entry-level indie rap you can nod your head to: Quannum. If being funky as fuck makes you a nerd then stick a pocket protector in my pimp shirt.

sole's album rules
alias' record is pretty good
and i expect a lot from the new aesop rock

and i see no contrast in also liking
beyoncé
mystikal
snoop
bubba sparxxx
big boi & andré
etc.

get over it, drop the trivial notion that 'their verses son't rhyme' and check out these artists for what they are. instead of resorting to backbone hating...

Innit... this is pretty much the general consensus, I thought... even hip-hop snobs seem to have a bit of time for Def Jux in my experience. Anticon, though, that's another story.

Jay Kid I almost totally agree with you... if you mean Bazooka Tooth, it's pretty good, yes.

i think this is the most otm thing i have ever read on this site. it pervades the entire site though, not just the reactions to hip hop. Well said jay kid.

lexoleum, boom bip = garbage. tes = probably not your cup of tea.

and yeah, it's an awful lot of hype for six albums in two years, but hey, it's warp.

my point about warp is only that they can generate attention for their releases (or stuff they're just promoting) out of all proportion to what other indie labels can do.

Buck is Eccellent, i agree, Dave. RJD2's Deadringer Rocks me. The poetry is for fairies mega single on Anticon is alot of fun. cLOUDead is good though not the sort of thing you can listen to often and I'm looking forward to hearing Hymies Basement which has just come out on Lex.

i had read a reviewer say that the boom bip album was "beat heavy experimental techno". and then i heard "U R Here", the only track i liked on lexoleum, and thought - hmmm ... it's like a prefuse 73 i can get with. and i bought it, and "U R Here" is the only track i like on that album, too.

what do i know? i like dj maxximus.

what?

Has anyone heard that Louie Logic album?

what buck album did you hear Scott?

i was talkiing about the boom bip btw

"that person should never be allowed to review another record, for the good of mankind"

Haha I was going to say something much the same...

for the record that reviewer has reviewed like 80% of the electronic music on allmusic.com

Does this really matter tho, Dave? Hip hop as a genre seems unusually predicated around the idea of what is and isn't hip hop. I dunno I find it unusual that so many of hip hop's proponents feel this anxiety that they have to be defenders of the faith the WHOLE time.

for the record, i wasn't saying you should never be allowed to review another record again, scott.

Ha! i probably shouldn't though, dave.I'm old and slow and i still listen to Steady B records. and for the record, i don't hate def jux even though i didn't like el-p's album. i realize that places like that take risks and every once in a while are gonna come up with great stuff.
jed, i heard talkin' honky blues. and i really like it.

people will likely laugh me out of the thread for saying so, but I really like Cex's rap records. he has a lot to say that I identify with, and usually does it in a compelling way, and his skills really aren't lacking, at least by undie standards. more importantly, he actually has a personality, which I haven't been able to find in most of the guys mentioned in this thread.

Y'know, sometimes "indie/undie" rappers' are actually fucking great MCs, like oh my god can it be possible?

That being said, I'd say about 50% of Anticon's Doseone's shit is on fucking POINT, but the other half is so convoluted it lacks almost any appeal whatsoever to anyone not wigging on acid. I'm not too big on Sole & the others, they seem to take the "write the words & figure out how they'll sound on the track later" approach, which kinda irks me personally, but to each their own, y'know?

My fav. Def Jukies right now are Mr. Lif and Cannibal Ox, both of 'em have very tight flow styles and are very solid lyricists, but El-P's production is and always will be one of my favorite things about the Jux shit.

On the Quannum end I think you gotta check out Lyrics Born first and foremost, he's very chameleonic in style (sometimes sounds like a grandpa other times like a party-preacher other times who knows what the fuck?) and ridiculously solid when it comes to freestyling and verses.

x-posts galore!

Mike Ladd's shit is fucking GREAT, the Infesticons/Majesticons concept albums he's put together are wicked.

Nick, you should should check out Youngblood, you'd probably be most likely to dig it out of anyone I can think of on the board.

Sniping? Maybe. Fear? Where?

*except Twista and Cee-Lo though, apparently

As for the indie-guilt thing, I really don't have anything to say about that, but then I've seen far more offensive theories so I didn't really pay it too much mind.

so i'll just throw out fannypack, northern state and princess superstar as my undie rap picks.

i really like some of the thirstin howl stuff i've heard, although its all depended on the quality of production he's got. "brooklyn hard rock" is fantastic!

Lryics Born, Kweli, Cee-Lo, Rza, Gza, Ghostface, Del, Princess Superstar, Bahamadia, Black Thought, Big Boi, Twista, Busta, Kool Keith, Ill Bill, Kool G Rap, Pep Love, Nas, Pharoah Monche, Mr. Lif, Cee-Lo again just cuz he's that good, Chali 2na although I hate his name, Dice Raw, K-Os, Method Man, Redman "I smoke weed with lotsa college students/most of 'em weren't garduatin' and they knew it", Mos Def, Doseone when he's not being a douschbag, Andre3000 when he gets around to rapping (the verse in "Spread" frexmple), and Cannibal Ox

nick go smoke something and chill out < /efveryone>

The advance cd of the madvillian record that my roommate has is incredible.

So, including the Monsta Island Czars album, Viktor Vaughn Vaudeville Villain and King Geedorah, this makes the fourth album in which MF Doom has major input released this year. That's fuckin' tireless (even if we have yet to get an all-Doom-production-and-beats release this year). And this one might wind up my favorite, if only because it namedrops Kurt Angle in the second track. If college nerds aren't feeling him like they felt Kool Keith in '96 then boo hiss.

Def Jux has some good shit.

Foreign Legion - Playtight
Hilltop Hoods - The Calling

buck65's *man overboard* is interesting at least but the cd is formatted as one giant track or 4 tracks or something, which is DEADLY. some fascinating stuff going on in there though, i seem to recall a really open-vein rhyme about his mother's death.

how's the heiro crew these days?

fuck the term "undie," that's some condescending indie kid bullshit who can't listen to rap without juvenalizing it.

square is so fuckin great.

also he is the best looking guy on the beats scene.

http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2002-02-28/music_feature-2.jpg

...not that that has influenced me in any way of course!

They just released an album calt Full Circle. 'S'alright. Needs more dog Del.

anyway, nate - assuming yr reading - you said on the rough guide thread that 'undie' is insulting and hurtful (which i guess is kinda a joke) - i didn't want to derail the RG thread so thought i'd revive this to ask why / how? sorry if this is something you've gone through a hundred times before - i swear i've read most of the indie hip-hop threads but i can't recall having ever heard you say the term undie ws 'insulting' or 'hurtful'.

Was cLOUDDEAD's most recent as bad as I heard?

Some of my fave undie for '04.

Azeem - Show Business (Bomb Hip Hop)
Haiku D'Etat - Coup De Theatre (Decon)
Murs - Murs 3:16, The 9th Edition (Def Jux)
Maroons (aka LAteef and the Chief) - Ambush ep (Quannum)
Shock G - Fear of a Mixed Planet (self released)

Wow, pretty Cali-oriented.

anyone got that diverse 12" yet? lyrics born and rjd2 - it's stellar

I have since acquired and fallen in love with this.

Jay-Z
Kanye West
Beanie Sigel
Freeway
Peedi Crack

Nobody's fuckin with that!

haha take a place in line on that one.

i have been loving this era of hip hop this week.

recently (re)found my anticon collection (digital and real world), and yeah, it's dated, but i care not.
for a while i was all over the lex records/anticon team up fun.
not that i would class the Subtle stuff as hip hop, but still.

basically, stuff like this still makes me smile : madlib vs danger mouse vs mf doom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT14dw8l2-I