'splain this one to me: Renegade Soundwave

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I think that their 2 "In Dub" albums are totally outstanding, and yet any of the proper singles or album tracks that I've heard are very less-than-impressive. Its like they're made by two different artists. Am I missing something?

peepee (peepee), Monday, 3 November 2003 19:24 (sixteen years ago) link

You are missing "Murder Music" and "Pocket Porn".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 November 2003 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Renegade Soundwave are the coolest band of all time. They worked in several different styles, ranging from a sort of pop/club industrial hip-hop to deep rave house/techno, really it's damn near impossible to define. I'm suprised you'd like the In Dub records so much and not any of the singles or album tracks, as to me they are all variations of a theme, literally dub mixes. Most of the singles, excepting perhaps the first, Kray Twins, are aimed at the dancefloor, and some of them were pretty big, primarily The Phantom. The style is a sort of post Todd Terry, hip-hop sampling dubbed out techno/house. Most of the In Dub records are slower and more dub oriented then rave oriented, though there are some tracks that were dancefloor hits, like Thunder. If you like the In Dub records, definately look for the Thunder II 12". It's B-Side contains 2 amazing tracks, Manphibian and Mash-Up that wouldn't have been out of place on the first In Dub. Mash-Up is just that, a mash up of David Bowie's Golden Years guitar lick and the break from A Certain Ratio's Shack Up slowed considerably down. Maybe you've heard Howyoudoin? which isn't the greatest record, the first LP Soundclash, is an absolute classic in my book. Murder Music is one of the greatest songs ever! I think if you've heard all of the material, you'd see maybe 3 styles, the "pop" songs with vocals and "raps," and the dub mixes, which are either slow and more experimental/"dub" or are faster and more club oriented. I like them all.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 3 November 2003 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link

OMG I forgot how genius "Kray Twins" was. That entire song was like an evil dancing dare.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link

TOugh call cuz i have no idea what era of Renegade Soundwave you like.. there are really three eras..

the "Soundclash" era... my favorite personally.. really pummeling, foreward thinking heavy downtempo/ragga influenced dance floor destruction with pervy lyrics. (We just mentioned Rema Rema in this thread, and this is where Ascquith's vocals sound most similar). If you like Tackhead, early Meat Beat Manifesto, Pop Group, etc. you'll like this record.

the "In Dub" era. far less vocals, more 4/4, breaks things going on, many of which are reinterpretations of the former era's song. Foreshadowed the Chemical Brothers pretty much,

the "How Ya doin' and after" phase. Karl Bonnie leaves. They sounds more like a minor pop group.. mostly known for thier self-titled single, which samples Serge Gainsbourg all over the place, and Gary's vocals sound nothing as harrowing as they did in the early days, nor in Rema Rema.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Classic tracks from each era:

Era 1: "Kray Twins", "Biting My Nails", "Murder Music", "Pocket Porn", "Cocaine Sex"

Era 2: "Thunder", "Women Respond To Bass", "The Phantom"

Era 3: "Bubbalubba", "Blast 'Em Out", "How Ya Doin'"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link

"If you like the In Dub records, definately look for the Thunder II 12". It's B-Side contains 2 amazing tracks, Manphibian and Mash-Up that wouldn't have been out of place on the first In Dub."

Dan, you're right. I totally forgot about this one. I've got it and think its tres-mendous! I always thought that its was a single off of the first "in Dub" record.
I guess I should give the "Soundclash" (is that the one which has "Murder Music"?) album another try. I love Tackhead (pre-vocals) and Pop Group, but less enthusiastic about MeatBeatManifesto.

Additional question: Did they ever remix anyone, and if so, are these any good?

peepee (peepee), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link

I think they remixed Pop Will Eat Itself.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link

My favorite stuff is the Kray Twins 12", which is simply the weirdest, noisiest, most insane thing ever. Kind of like early Meat Beat but better, and I'm an MBM fan. Then the Soundclash songs, Blue Eyed Boy, Murder Music, Lucky Luke etc, and for the dancefloor, nothing beats the remixes, Ozone Breakdown, The Phantom, Probably a Robbery 12 Gauge Turbo, Space Gladiator Dub, these tracks are all Todd Terry sampling James Brown Eric B style but sped up and stripped down. There's very little music like that.

They did a lot or remixes, but I don't remember them standing out. They did a mix of Liasons Dangerous's Los Ninos Del Parque for a Mute reissue which isn't that special, and a Depeche Mode mix. They did a lot of work with Flood and also Rico Conning, who was a big figure in that time and was previously in an amazing post-punk/dub band called the Lines, who I am hopefully reissuing when I get done with the Glenn Branca and Metal Urbain stuff I'm working on now. But yes, as mentioned, they came out of Rema Rema, the same 4ad band that spawned the Wolfgang Press. It's that hipster post-punk origins that made them unique, while they were clearly fluent in the club and drug culture of the late 80s.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link

"Space Gladiator"! These guys really are my favorite band that I forget about for months at a time.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link

The Lines? I don't know about them, although I think that they were name-checked recently by someone whose music I'm into. Please, tell me more.

peepee (peepee), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link

The Lines were a london band that started out with a single, White Night, that's become a minor classic for power-pop/post-punk record nerds, oddly covered by the Adult Net some years later. After that they release a series of singles and eps that started very angular and jittery and got more and more dubbed/funked out. They would write songs around the grooves and experiment with atmospheric post-punk dub that at it's least successful, is similar to many post-Joy Division/Pil/Gang of 4 etc bands of the period, while at it's most successful was some of the most interesting listening around. I highly recommend the second single, On the Air, and the Cool Snap 6 song EP as two of the best releases of the era, for fans of the Fire Engines, Josef K, Joy Division etc. Their 2 LPs, Ultramarine and Therapy are also wonderful, but may take a few listens for them to grow on you. Near the end they released another 7" called Nerve Pylon that many consider another lost classics, much poppier and more New Wavey then any of their other releases. Rico went on to work with Renegade Soundwave and Depeche Mode and others in the late 80s, then joined with William Orbit to work with Madonna.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:46 (sixteen years ago) link

It's their most popular hit, but "Biting My Nails" is up there with Art of Noise in terms of being ahead of the curve.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link

the thing i like most about Kray Twins is the completely-out-of-left-field chicken clucking that Gary does during one of the louder bridges.. "CHICKIE POW PEE-POW PEE-POW CHICKIE.. CHICKIE CHICKIE POW PEE-POW PEE-POOOOOOOOOOWW".... without any explanation. What the fuck! and the lyrics make even less sense in context.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link

It's like they wanted a guitar solo in there but the couldn't find a good one to sample.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 November 2003 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Vocal interpretations of guitar solos = soo classic.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 November 2003 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link

They also made really excellent videos for Kray Twins, Probably A Robbery and Biting My Nails, where all the lyrics are represented visually...

"a blind begger, a blind a blind begger"

"he's got a finger in her painted lips, always got on hand upon her african hips..."

"just popped into lloyds to get myself insured"


Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 3 November 2003 21:15 (sixteen years ago) link

In Dub is one of my top ten albums of all time!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 November 2003 21:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I've seen "In Dub" in bargain bins so many times. I had bought the copies each time, and have given them all to all I know because everyone I know should own it. Now that's public service!!!

peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 03:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Anyone heard their early single 'Cocaine Sex'?

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 03:49 (sixteen years ago) link

"Cocaine Sex" = monster tune! Bassline lifted, re-fitted = "Thunder" = monster tune!
My old housemate James was a mad RSW fan and I didn't get it AT ALL until having one of those moments of intense revelation, near-religious. Now I worship totally, and scout used record bins everywhere for the 12"'s (only have three, "Cocaine Sex", "Probably A Robbery" and "Women Respond to Bass".)
Dan Selzer = RSW fan = DAMN this man has impeccable taste. So how about an RSW box on Acute then eh?
Did anyone see them live?

jwd, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Soundclash is a good, arguably underrated, record. There has been a Lines LP in the depths of the second hand shop in the local market for as long as I can remember. I may finally get round to buying it this week. (Outhud also checked them as an influence, if that helps anyone.)

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:17 (sixteen years ago) link

RSW were a turning pointg for me. their mixture of dark-n-seedy ambience and the choice samples.
genre busting music. along with AOC/On-U they completely changed my outlook on music.
gonna be digging out their stuff tonight thanx to this thread !

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:23 (sixteen years ago) link

there is that 1987-1995 2CD retrospective that does a good job, mostly. You get at least some of the rarer older b-sides from that comp. although you definitely need "Soundclash" in full and the "Thunder II" single.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 15:45 (sixteen years ago) link

I wish I still had my copy of "Thunder II". I can't remember which b-side it was, but one of them was extreme dubby fantasticness.

dum dum, duh-dum dum, duh-nuh DUH-NUH dun-nuh

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 15:49 (sixteen years ago) link

"The Lines? I don't know about them, although I think that they were name-checked recently by someone whose music I'm into."

Right-O DJ Mencap, it was Outhud!

peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:52 (sixteen years ago) link

didn't leftfield's remix of 'renegade soundwave' by
renegade soundwave unofficially invent big beat before big beat was officially invented by the likes of the cheical brothers ?

piscesboy, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Don't know much about Renegade Soundwave. I'm just glad Dan Selzer's finally up in this piece. Holla.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 21:48 (sixteen years ago) link

you know, I tried so hard to avoid getting sucked into I Love Music, but my dear friend Lauren kept sending me links, "check this out!" "this one's for you!" etc... Renegade Soundwave definately cross lines/barriers, I have to admit when I first got into them I was an industrial listening teen who hated "dance" music. I really believe what they were doing wasn't dance music, untill some kid at summer camp heard me playing them and was like "dude, I used to hear this at the tunnel."

Anyway, for what it's worth, The Lines were namechecked on Outhud's one sheet by someone at Kranky as a reference point, but the band themselves were, and I believe still are, unfamiliar with them, which is why I've been promising to make them a CD. But for REALLY deep dubbed out post-punk, the Lines were hard to beat.

in any case, hello to all the bloggers and fellow internet music nerds...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 22:25 (sixteen years ago) link

of course my very favourite thing about RSW is that they repro'd an offensive fan letter on the sleeve of "next chapter of dub"
you can see it at:

jwd, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 01:57 (sixteen years ago) link

seven months pass...


Because Renegade Soundwave were the best.

Because I'm listening to Soundclash right now.

Because friday night at the Madchester/UK club night in Park Slope Brooklyn Tony Fletcher played the RSW Megamix from the Women Respond to Bass.

And so I can ask again, using your imagination, what music fits in with Renegade Soundwave's singles/mixes. I'm talking particularly about the various versions of The Phantom, Ozone Breakdown, Space Gladiator and Probably a Robbery. Discovering Todd Terry opened my eyes a bit, and realizing how much RSW's use of hip-hop was based on Terry's hip-hop/house productions. Pal Joey, who was a hip-hop engineer initially, made sample based funky house music that fits. I've also taken to some of the faster hip-hop from that period, for instance the instrumental of Eric B and Rakim's Juice(Know the Ledge.)

Some of the earlier sample based UK dance stuff like MARRS, Bomb the Bass, S'Express, which I love, just isn't as funky and spacey.

Also, for a total dub neophyte, give me some names. What dub acts do you think Renegade Soundwave listened to? Was there really deep digital dub stuff? Anything that would be approximately like the end of Blue Eyed Boy?

One record clerk recommended Shut Up and Dance when I asked about RSW type stuff a few years ago.


Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 04:03 (sixteen years ago) link

"takin' my tequila?..EH, GIVE IT BACK!"

they were the awesomest

duke pocket, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 04:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I didn't post on this thread earlier? Oh the crack I was smoking. A strangely-punctuated review. Another one.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 05:17 (sixteen years ago) link

sometimes I don't quite get AMG...you're reviews are relatively thorough and positive, while the reviews for the early records, which got MORE stars, are short and negative.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 06:17 (sixteen years ago) link

rsw and mbm were probably the prime reason lots of uk industrial kids got into dance music. they are also spiritual godfathers of the whole uk breakbeat, hardcore and drum and bass scenes. their influence on me personally was immense, particularly rsw whose production was so ahead of the game at that time that it was ridiculous. i remember playing 'the phantom' in a set when it came out and it just made every other record wound so incredibly weak. when the bassline came in.....!!!!!

my personal faves are 'the phantom', 'ozone breakdown', 'cocaine sex' (particularly the dubs), 'kray twins' (for americans, the opening sample was the theme music to itv's news at ten), 'thunder', 'mash up' (dan, it's actually the banbarra 'shack up' break that they sampled), 'women respond to bass' and the whole of the 'in dub' album. apart from 'kray twins' i still play all of these out quite frequently. i think yr totally otm with the todd terry influence. it was after god's todd's first few 12's hit over here that rsw came out with 'the phantom'.

dan, have you heard 'underneath the arches' by the jackal? it came out on the criminal damage label and was renegade soundwave before they changed their name. it sounds a little dated but as you like 'kray twins', i think you'd dig it. also the 'ohi ho bang bang' 12" which is karl bonnie and holger hiller - it's one of thee most mental sampling records ever created (it tears apart 'ballroom blitz' by the sweet) and has one of my favourite ever videos too. also worth a listen is holger hiller's 'demixed' lp which has some rsw input.

karl bonnie went on to make some pretty crazy techno dub recordsand then seems to have vanished without a trace, while rsw got back together last year (without bonnie) and put out a so so reworking of 'the phantom'.

as for shut up and dance - classic, classic, classic. all the early releases under the suad name, along with rum and black, the ragga twins and nicolette (all suad productions) are immense. they were a massive influence on carl craig who has sampled them frequently (most notably on '4 jazz funk classics' and his piece 12"). suad is maybe not something you want to delve into as it then opens up the whole uk hardcore end of things which is massive oeuvre of music full of delights. forget conceptions of cheesy rave tunes - a lot of these records are as deep and fucked up as you can imagine. it's a whole other thread but one record i think you'd love is 2 bad mice's 'bombscare' ep on moving shadow from '91. the main track is a perennial fave but THEE one is 'ware mouse' which is a cavernous industrial funk dub monster with crazy electronic fx. very sparse, very heavy (the beat is outrageous) it sounds like rsw if they had taken some seriously bad drugs.

Was there really deep digital dub stuff

some of sherwood's tackhead and fats comet productions plough a similar vein but his beats were never as razor sharp as rsw's (i remember reading how they spent three days getting that snare sound on 'cocaine sex'!). some of the late 80's uk digital dub stuff was also fantastic. i would heartily recommend sound iration's 'in dub' lp and zulu warrior's self titled lp on the wau! mr. modo label. they are more in the traditional dub vein but are very, very deep.

of course, then there is all the jamaican digital dancehall that rsw were heavily into. obviouly they were into all the dub masters - tubby, perry etc. but i think their real love was all the prince jammys et al digital stuff. a lot of these productions from around '84 to '86 got pretty out there. i have an addiction to the 'sleng teng' rhythm (i've amassed around 70 versions which is kind of tragic) and some of the freakier dub versions certainly filtered into the rsw sound (the 'cocaine sex' bassline is the 'sleng teng' bassline). i have one version that sounds exactly how you'd imagine sigue sigue sputnik or suicide would sound like if they came from jamaica!

anyway, i could bore for scotland on all this so i had better stop there but i'll post back if any other deep digital dub stuff springs to mind.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 06:48 (sixteen years ago) link

sometimes I don't quite get AMG...you're reviews are relatively thorough and positive, while the reviews for the early records, which got MORE stars,
are short and negative.

It's a mystery (I like John Bush, actually, he's a good writer, but I really did want to replace those two reviews of his!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 13:52 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Couldn't agree more. What a band! I found the following singles yesterday and I'm in Renegade heaven:

Thunder II
Probably a robbery
Kray twins/Cocaine sex/Biting my nails

I have all the albums, but I have found mixes I hadn't heard before. I'm really interested to hear the Lines stuff. I hope Acute does do the reissue; their Metal Urbain reissues have been superb - thank you, Dan!

paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link

cocaine sex is so awesome

Affectian (Affectian), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:59 (sixteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Renegade Soundwave portable (dub) CD80 Go!

1. Cocaine Sex (Sub Aqua Overdrive Dub)
2. Biting My Nails (Bassnumb Chapter)
3. The Phantom (remix)
4. Ozone Breakdown
5. Thunder
6. Bacteria
7. Deadly
8. Transition
9. Women Respond to Bass
10. Holgertron
11. Recognise and Respond
12. Transworld Siren
13. Black Eye Boy
14. Ozone Breakdown 90 (Uprising mix)
15. Positive Mindscape

(79:54, chronological AFAIK - contains most of In Dub. Part 2, the non-dub version singles, is coming soon, although I listen to this one much more. These tracks are really astonishing even before you think about when they were produced!)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Women Respond to Bass.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link

I think of Renegade Soundwave a like a junior version of Meat Beat Manifesto.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link

"junior version"???

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link

That's so wrong (and I like MBM a lot more than I like RSW)!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link

renegade soundwave might have even more to answer for soon, grimewise

noizem duke (noize duke), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Meat Beat Manifesto are terrible. It took me forever to get past the awful name and then the music wasn't much better. I think there's one good song of theirs somewhere. I think it's a mistake to lump in RSW with "industrial".

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, well, I think New Order's Subculture (remix) 12" holds a place in history as the first New Order record ever to suck. We're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:40 (fifteen years ago) link


Armed Audio Warfare is the only subpar thing MBM put out. Everything else is genius.

I don't comprehend how anyone could dislike 99%, Satyricon or Subliminal Sandwich.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:41 (fifteen years ago) link


(another dead sheep)

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:47 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm curious how influential Mark Stewart's + Maffia's As The Veneer Of Democracy Starts To Fade album was on both RSW and MBM. (Mark Stewart, being the ex-singer/member of The Pop Group and Maffia being Tackhead).

Meat Beat Manifesto's initial modus operandi (when they first formed around 1986 or 1987) was to create an album "more extreme than As The Veneer..." apparently. They didn't succeed, but we did eventually get to hear bits and pieces of that work when Sweatbox released the Bark compilation with "Kneel And Buzz", which is that insane proto-Merzbow-doing-hip-hop sounding track. And the early collection Armed Audio Warfare came out in 1990, which had "Kneel And Buzz", "Mr. President", and some of the earliest bits. (Whether the original studio tapes were actually "destroyed in a fire", acc. to the liner notes, is up to you to believe.)

(Sorry, Dan, but i love Armed Audio Warfare.)

But I'm wondering if "Kray Twins" and "Cocaine Sex" were also influenced by As The Veneer as well. The biggest difference between all of them being that you just could not dance to As The Veneer, at least for more than 20 seconds, as it was the loudest most chopped up fucked up "beat"-ish album ever made.

If it wasn't for the also very raucous and Swans like Rema Rema that served as part of RSW's early history (via Ascquith), I would have been convinced.

donut christ (donut), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:49 (fifteen years ago) link

RSW were much more about house and dub than industrial and goth.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:51 (fifteen years ago) link


dan selzer, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 20:08 (nine years ago) link

especially as PWEI went on; the Poppies had 2 albums that were as consistently good as the RSW material but they had to ramp up to it and they fell off relatively quickly after they hit their stride

This is the Day... and Cure For Sanity are amazing tho

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 20:11 (nine years ago) link

I remember jjj picked up the "Biting My Nails" single as a result of "Can U Dig It?" and by the time we got to "Kray Twins" we both knew RSW fucking owned

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 20:12 (nine years ago) link

PWEI>>>Ciccone Youth

dan selzer, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 20:16 (nine years ago) link


bamcquern, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 21:07 (nine years ago) link

just comparing the poppies to people they reference in Can U DIg It?

dan selzer, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 21:08 (nine years ago) link


bamcquern, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 21:10 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

"Murder Music" is one of the greatest songs ever recorded

DJP, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:02 (nine years ago) link

"Murder Music" is one of the greatest song ever recorded

dan selzer, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:35 (nine years ago) link

wait djp did you say upthread that you dont have a copy of thunder II anymore

pretty sure i do. i know i have that thinline cd maxisingle w/biting my nails and cocaine sex on it

lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:53 (nine years ago) link

and kray twins! apparently i have the one that enigma put out with 2 mixes of biting my nails, although iirc its just a vocal and an instrumental club mix so prob no great rarity there

lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:08 (nine years ago) link

I purchased an album of theirs because Pop Will Eat Itself listed them as something they dug on "Can You Dig It."

I didn't.

― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, April 5, 2011 12:40 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark

And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:46 (nine years ago) link

i have that thinline cd maxisingle w/biting my nails and cocaine sex on it

― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:53 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark

And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:47 (nine years ago) link

i mean, it's kind of blowing my mind that other went through exactly the same folly of youth shit. and it wasn't an "album" i bought, it was exactly that thin-case maxi single. eventually came to like one of the songs, think it was the "biting nails" club dub.


^ this one

And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:51 (nine years ago) link

music > ac/dc > run-DMC > riffs > disco sound > "leader of the pack" > spinderella > "hit the north" > "into the groove(y) > "da doo ron ron" > renegade soundwave

And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:58 (nine years ago) link

listening back, i love the music on all three tracks, but hate the vocalist, no exceptions

And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 23:03 (nine years ago) link

enjoying this, but it seems more pop than club

renegade soundwave renegade soundwave


And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 23:13 (nine years ago) link

The 12 with biting backed by kray twins and cocaine sex was my first purchase after soundclash I think. Bought it at sam goody in a nj mall.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 23:44 (nine years ago) link

i do still have thunder II and in dub. yay not loaning out cds like i used to!

lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Thursday, 30 June 2011 00:44 (nine years ago) link

Me = jealous @ u

DJP, Thursday, 30 June 2011 02:01 (nine years ago) link

I was about to post the playlist of my 2 CD set of RSW favorites with a "pop" cd and a "dance" cd but then I realized I did it already 6 years ago.

dan selzer, Thursday, 30 June 2011 04:09 (nine years ago) link

man listening through all of this and cocaine sex is just so much better than the title would lead you to think - i think this might be my favorite so far

lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Thursday, 30 June 2011 06:04 (nine years ago) link

whoa this biting my nails (sound system plays a renegade tune) remix on thunder II is kind of awesome

lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Thursday, 30 June 2011 06:11 (nine years ago) link

man listening through all of this and cocaine sex is just so much better than the title would lead you to think - i think this might be my favorite so far

Ha, this is almost verbatim what you told me when you first bought this.

DJP, Thursday, 30 June 2011 11:57 (nine years ago) link

Awesome to see RSW get some love on the board. I love em. A friend of mine wrote them a long and analytical fan letter back in the day, and they wrote a long letter back that began, "Dear Daniel, Dance music has been with us since the dawn of time."

broom air, Thursday, 30 June 2011 15:43 (nine years ago) link

four weeks pass...

vintage RSW on the telly


broom air, Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:03 (nine years ago) link


dan selzer, Thursday, 28 July 2011 20:11 (nine years ago) link


Spencer Chow, Thursday, 28 July 2011 20:18 (nine years ago) link

written by her husband Papa John Philips I think.

dan selzer, Thursday, 28 July 2011 21:04 (nine years ago) link

I had no idea. Awesome.

broom air, Friday, 29 July 2011 01:03 (nine years ago) link

hang on. just watched that network clip.
they diss PWEI !
yet clearly they went on to change their minds when they got the offer to remix them later on.
[what a great chart : tackhead/pwei/woodentops/coldcut .. ]
and as per broom, i too had no idea biting .. was a cover.

mark e, Friday, 29 July 2011 07:52 (nine years ago) link

double wow!

danny and gary were well moody. good hats though.

i'd forgotten that "cocaine sex" was promoed as "cooking sex". ha!

i also had no idea that "biting my nails" was a cover. the original is great! a little like a proto cristina.

stirmonster, Friday, 29 July 2011 09:45 (nine years ago) link

I have a 7" on Rhythm King stamped "Cooking Sex". I always assumed that was the case but this is the first confirmation I've had that it was for real.

dan selzer, Friday, 29 July 2011 13:40 (nine years ago) link

Reminds me of the recent run of SNL skits where they say something that's not dirty but make it sound dirty in context. Like the TV ads for "Sofa King". "Our prices are Sofa King cheap" etc. Similarly the earlier skit about "Cork Soakers" in a winery, where they soak the cork before bottling, and the old lady with no teeth is the best "cork soaker".

dan selzer, Friday, 29 July 2011 13:42 (nine years ago) link

wait ppl didn't know "Biting My Nails" was a cover?

so that means you probably haven't seen... THIS:


PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Friday, 29 July 2011 13:53 (nine years ago) link

nope. thats rather fun.

mark e, Friday, 29 July 2011 14:07 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

I declare today to be Renegade Soundwave Day

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Friday, 23 August 2013 13:50 (six years ago) link

The sound system plays a renegade tune

waterface down (jjjusten), Friday, 23 August 2013 14:40 (six years ago) link

RSW is more of a saturday night thing.

I love my Saturday night,
It's late Saturday night,
When I met you.

dan selzer, Friday, 23 August 2013 14:44 (six years ago) link

six months pass...

Track starts off with some sort of acid track, sounds hot


FacePlateCase, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 13:06 (six years ago) link

Err, my question was meant to be: Does anyone recognize this acid track?

It appears to be none of these: http://www.whosampled.com/Renegade-Soundwave/The-Phantom-%28Turntable-Scratch%29/

Remixer is credited as 'Radical Crew' (only credit on Discogs is this track)

FacePlateCase, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 13:08 (six years ago) link

don't know about that sample but those credits are sloppy. That track doesn't sample Area Code's Stone Fox Chase OR Cymande, or Run DMC it samples Royal House's The Chase, which is Todd Terry sampling Stone Fox Chase and Cymande and Run DMC.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 13:59 (six years ago) link

five months pass...

Great interview with Gary Asquith here about his younger/punk days:


Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 July 2014 15:35 (six years ago) link

interesting stuff, definitely needs a second part re RSW and beyond ...

mark e, Monday, 28 July 2014 15:45 (six years ago) link

ten months pass...

why oh why have these guys not yet cashed in on the late 80s/early 90s reunion groove !?

i mean seriously.

modern techno toys would mean they could perform live with little effort.

mark e, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:16 (five years ago) link

They probably don't get along. They both do stuff with versions of the name. Danny seems to do more straight modern dub type stuff, while Gary's been reissuing and reworking Rema Rema and doing stuff as Renegade Soundmachine. I really wish I was more convincing when emailing Gary going back to the myspace days about the then yet-unreleased Rema Rema stuff.



Where is Karl Bonnie?

dan selzer, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:25 (five years ago) link

They probably don't get along.

i realised this after a bit of research and chat ..

such a shame as they could easily pay off mortgages etc if they hit the reunion trail ..

mark e, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:27 (five years ago) link

four years pass...

I just reread Neuromancer for the zillionth time and was thinking about how I like to listen to certain records or bands when reading certain books/comics because it’s a perfect soundtrack and for me the soundtrack to Neuromancer is Soundclash. There’s a lot of dub in the book so RSWs take on decadent industrial digital dub pop always seemed fitting.

dan selzer, Thursday, 28 November 2019 17:49 (eight months ago) link

i interviewed renegade soundwave but i don't think the piece was very good

mark s, Thursday, 28 November 2019 17:51 (eight months ago) link

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