Bonny Tyler's Total Eclipse Of The Heart: classic or dud?

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(*yawns*)

paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 03:45 (twenty years ago) link

ImImpressedOrEvenCare = False

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 03:51 (twenty years ago) link

Just last week I was thinking how it's totally an airsupply song but with way more testosteronesupply.

brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 04:00 (twenty years ago) link

(CLASSIC.)

brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 04:01 (twenty years ago) link

Why are overblown-ness, campness and manipulation bad things? In a novel perhaps they would be - in a movie possibly - but in a pop single??

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 10:56 (twenty years ago) link

Exactly! PS is Tico Tico the silent recently but presumably with good reason Tom Ewing? I'm not sure about the concept of manipulation in general. The world doesn't work like that, you can't avoid what gets termed 'manipulation'.

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:02 (twenty years ago) link

Tico Tico is Tom Ewing when he's not being a moderator, which at the moment is indefinitely.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:03 (twenty years ago) link

Why are overblown-ness, campness and manipulation bad things? In a novel perhaps they would be - in a movie possibly - but in a pop single??

they are not as long as there's an element of 'smarts' to it - not necessarily irony. also if you apply these to other genres (rock, dance) you will surely then have a pop single anyway?

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:21 (twenty years ago) link

In a pop single it is actually worse bcz its concentrated in 3 minutes.

In a 500 page novel if the overblowness etc isn't there all the way through it could be tolerable. Same with a movie: certain awful scenes but its a two hour thing.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:54 (twenty years ago) link

But why is the grandiose bad Julio?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:55 (twenty years ago) link

hmm...The thing abt these ballads is that its designed to make you feel certain things. I guess the emotional spectrum is limited (sorry, I know that kind of reasoning sounds awful but I'm trying to think this one through: I'll just throw this one in...).

I think there is space for grandiose but it is precisely bcz its all concentrated in a 3 minute pop single that it makes it 'bad' to me. Maybe if you played this in a disco it would be fine but I just don't understand how anyone could listen to this kind of thing at home.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 12:05 (twenty years ago) link

i sort of agree - i have realised that TEOTH is quite a well made song, but the only way i would listen to it is just to contemplate that craft aspect, or to appreciate it as a story/scenario from someone else's (Bonnie Tyler's i suppose) view. i certainly wouldn't listen to something like that looking for emotional comfort, re-assurance or to relate. it is hard to take seriously the idea that anyone would.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 12:17 (twenty years ago) link

Try to imagine the most nauseous, vomit-inducing song you've ever heard in your life and multiply it by a thousand and you're still nowhere near how much I detest that song. WORST HIT SINGLE BY ANYBODY ANYWHERE INCLUDING WHITNEY HOUSTON!!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:36 (twenty years ago) link

To me "Total Eclipse..." contains the whole range of human experience -- joy, pain, sadness, anger, wonder -- although the "positive" emotions come more from how it makes me rather than the content of the song itself. It reminds me of the best of the first Andrew WK album in how it goes so far over the top it attains a kind of grace. If you like it and feel it only a little, you're doing so w/ a hint of irony, but if you give yourself over to it completely it becomes pure.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:01 (twenty years ago) link

Basically it seems that liking this song or not is completely dependent upon how willing you are to let your emotions be artificcially manipulated by a pop single.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

As opposed to you generating yr own emotions authentically, without any awful pop stars involved, because you, TEOTH-hataz are independent of all that shit...

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:49 (twenty years ago) link

(My argument only applies to Miccio.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:09 (twenty years ago) link

''because you, TEOTH-hataz are independent of all that shit...''

yes, 'we' are better than you.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

no, that's too obvious. not all that's *really* bad becomes good. that just reeks of some stuck-in-1992 gen-X cliche

Hey, I didn't say that everything that's bloated and camp and manipulative is great. In this case, however, I just relish the it's a big, melodramatic wedding cake of a song. Is it entirely ridiculous? Of course, but it's crafted with so much loving care that I find it hard not to appreciate.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:16 (twenty years ago) link

I LOVE this song.

Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:22 (twenty years ago) link

Why are overblown-ness, campness and manipulation bad things?

They aren't. Not neccessarily. Not when done by the likes of Genesis or Yes, that is, in a tastefull and sophisticated fashion.

Hair metal ballads don't fit into that positive category though

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:41 (twenty years ago) link

Tastefully-done overblown camp?

This is an oxymoron.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:42 (twenty years ago) link

Well, forget about "camp" then, as good 70s prog was never _meant_ to be bad (and rarely was either)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:45 (twenty years ago) link

as i said upthread,i really like this song,although i don't own it or anything,but whenever i hear it in a chipper or whatever its always a good laugh...

however,i was curious whether more people would be sympathetic to julio's arguement/reasons if we were talking about my heart will go on or something...

also,i was only a kid,but what did people think of this song when it was first released?

robin (robin), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:57 (twenty years ago) link

I guess I was about 13 when it came out -- I loved it then but I wouldn't have admitted it, no way. Like many adolescents I was a coward & was afraid that liking this song made me a pussy.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:01 (twenty years ago) link

Taking sides: Light in your life vs. Love in the dark

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:04 (twenty years ago) link

As I admitted on the other thread I like "Think Twice" a bit but "My Life Will Go On" is too restrained, it's enormous in a "this is expensive and huge and sensible" sense rather than a "my god how can they get away with THAT" sense - in TEOTH there's a real strain to get the record sounding that enormous, whereas MHWGO can do it with no seeming effort and is thus more boring.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:25 (twenty years ago) link

You can belt Total Eclipse Of The Heart (as you can Think Twice, and as you can't My Heart Will Go On - wrong register, too wussy, and strangely forgettable in the sense that I can remember the fluty bit and the way she sings the title, but the rest? nah). That's why it's classic. Oh, and "we're living in a powderkeg and GIVING OFF SPARKS!"

cis (cis), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:13 (twenty years ago) link

Is that the line? I just always heard it as "weererreqdadasagakeg giveareaeagasAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHs."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:15 (twenty years ago) link

...well, yeah, it could be that, too.

cis (cis), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

hey Dan your last thing confused me. Are you saying I don't let pop manipulate me or that I do? Cuz I'm SERIOUSLY pop's bitch.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 30 October 2003 00:35 (twenty years ago) link


another reason for classic status: the inclusion of the video on tv carnage, volume one.

more classic clip on that video: the kid with no legs on the skateboard being chased by the rabid dog

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Thursday, 30 October 2003 00:38 (twenty years ago) link

My only problem with Jim Steinman is that his songs all manipulate in the same exact way - that whole rise and fall thing. I once bummed my mom out by revealing that so many songs she liked were written by the Meat Loaf dude and basically WERE Meat Loaf songs (she doesn't dig the Loaf - she likes the women bombastic and the men mellow if I can overgeneralize). Personally my fave Steinman is "I Would Do Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That)," mainly for the part about sometimes praying for silence, for soul and to god of Sex and Drugs and rock and roll. It's so true.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 30 October 2003 00:40 (twenty years ago) link

Several years ago, I used to share a flat with two-sevenths of a Meatloaf tribute band, and have retained a sneaking admiration for the work of Jim Steinmann. Epic overblown theatrical story-telling pop songs just aren't around enough these days.

Oh, and to answer the thread question, unutterably classic. And I was listening to it last week at my mum and dad's.

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 30 October 2003 00:43 (twenty years ago) link

Absolute Classic. Recently dumped, I'm karaoke-ing it tomorrow when my ex shows up at the bar. I was in NY last year at a piano bar off 42nd, and this girl got up to sing it, and the place went mad of course. The best thing was that the bartender was singing the falsetto "turn around bright eyes" into a wireless headset and mixing flashy cocktails at the same time!!!

David Potts, Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:23 (twenty years ago) link

I can't believe that no-one has yet mentioned that militant Muslim groups allegedly love Bonnie Tyler and TEOFTH and listen to it while getting revved up for battle.

Total classic.

Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 03:13 (twenty years ago) link

I can't believe that no-one has yet mentioned that militant Muslim groups allegedly love Bonnie Tyler and TEOFTH and listen to it while getting revved up for battle.

Source?

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 30 October 2003 05:27 (twenty years ago) link

Well, according to this, Mohammed died on the same day Bonnie Tyler was born hundreds of years later. Uh, yeah.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 05:38 (twenty years ago) link

Popbitch claimed that TEOTH was the number one choice listening for bosnian snipers or chechen rebels or something...

Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 30 October 2003 09:17 (twenty years ago) link

"Basically it seems that liking this song or not is completely dependent upon how willing you are to let your emotions be artificcially manipulated by a pop single." - Dan

This should be in the FAQ!!!

I figure the reason I can't stomach power ballads like this one is that they're embarassing, though I don't mean that as a pejorative. Bonnie Tyler sounds so exposed, so naked when she sings TEOTH that I feel embarassed for her when I listen to it. It's the same feeling I get when hanging out with singers who frequently burst into song in public. In one sense I envy them for being so free and unrestrained, but I also know I'm not like that. When I want ballads, I listen to singers who sound timid or beaten down but still composed enough to sing their song with their head held high (Billie Holliday, Nick Drake, Robert Johnson, etc).

Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 30 October 2003 10:25 (twenty years ago) link

hey Dan your last thing confused me. Are you saying I don't let pop manipulate me or that I do? Cuz I'm SERIOUSLY pop's bitch.

Look at how I originally spelled "artificially".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
REVIVE! Been listening to this a lot in the last week, the full-length album version (which I'm not sure I'd heard before). Six and a half minutes of bliss.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link

C L A S S I C !

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Is this the original Guilty Pleasures thread?

Actually, come to think about it "Make Over" is pretty out there...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:29 (seventeen years ago) link

That Steinman fantasy upthread!

W T F

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 5 October 2006 14:09 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't like it, sorry

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 5 October 2006 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

bye then.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 5 October 2006 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

the most absurd part of this song might be the 40-something second fadeout

Jimmy Mod is like a child who walks into the middle of a movie (The Famous Jimmy, Thursday, 5 October 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

to this day, I still comb the pages of every X-Men comic that comes out, in the hopes that this will finally be the issue where someone sneaks up behind Cyclops, holds a gun (or claw, or whatever) to his head, and says "Don't turn around, bright eyes."

bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Thursday, 5 October 2006 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I was SURE this thread was revived because of this:

Total Eclipse of the Lawsuit
He was a retiring co-pilot. She was an aging 80's rocker flying first class. No one expected her multi-platinum hit to "fall apart" but when Air France flight attendants awoke Bonnie Tyler and asked her to sing "Total Eclipse of the Heart" in honor of a pilot making his final flight, passengers did more than just "turn around", they up and sued the airline. According to reports, a group of disgruntled travelers, believed to be Belgian, first lodged a complaint claiming they were traumatized by the experience, and are now alleging in a lawsuit, that Tyler's 1983 hit incited a celebration so raucous they feared for their safety. Good thing she didn't try "Holding Out For a Hero" or things might have really turned ugly.

By Emil Steiner | September 6, 2006; 2:29 PM ET

chaki (chaki), Thursday, 5 October 2006 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link


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