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read this.

ethan, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

day-um. quite a thing to go to bed to.

jess, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Yup -- there was another post on ILE about it. Initially I figured net-rumor or something, but nope. I only knew her work from singles, but she sure had something.

As I said on the thread over there -- my one fervent wish, beyond sympathy for all the bereaved, is that there be no horribly maudlin tribute records. "I'll Be Missing You" or "Candle in The Wind '97" were more than enough.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Couldn't believe my eyes. She was a great singer. I'll really miss her.

Omar, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I really can't believe this, it just doesn't seem to connect in my mind. A terrible loss.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ned - at least both those records were quite possibly heartfelt, and the money must have gone to charity (and, unfortunately, relaunching the career of elton john). Granted, they were crap, but at least people meant what they were saying. I'd be more scared of what the NME will make out of this anyway, judging by this statement on nme.com: 'Aaliyah has been killed in a plane crash in the Bahamas. The R&B star, who recently appeared on the cover of NME.' So self- serving, utterly tasteless and showing so little respect I don't know where to begin.

Bill, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, at least the NME has something on her. That's more than can be said for the website of her hometown newspaper. (I'm too tired right now to grab the actual paper off the porch.)

Of what relevance is the latter part of this sentence:

"Eight people, two women and six men, died in the crash, all of them Americans."

I'm all for having less Americans on the planet, but not under this circumstance. Are the English supposed to release a collective "whew" upon reading that part?

Andy, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah. I read about it on Relapse's message Board. Some people there didn't seem overly sympathetic, but I feel saddened when anyone I know of dies. And what a way to go...

Kodanshi, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i was watching the news last night and they had breaking news about a plane crash in the bahamas. "a camera crew," they said, and i thought little of it -- of course one hates to see people die senselessly, but it's what they expect when watching the news: anonymous tragedy.

so i wake up, see this subject and: my God. this is far too shocking, it really hasn't registered at all. a terrible loss, to be sure, one i can't fully measure at this juncture.

fred solinger, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The most awful of ironies: I was listening to "I Care 4 U" when I read the news on NYLPM. Aaliyah is the first artist I really liked who has died suddenly, and it's going to make playing Aaliyah (or anything else in her fine ouvre) terribly poignant. An absolute loss.

Tim, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Wake up hungover. Go to work. Log on. Go to NYLP. Read the news today oh boy. Dust myself up. I'm going the fuck home. Have a nice day, ILMers. I know you're thinking the same as me.

Simon, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

call me cold and heartless but celebrity deaths don't impact me, i can't imagine how my life will be perceptibly altered. sure it is a sad thing for her and her family but i can't really believe someone had to go home from work after hearing the news. i guess i am just cynical. if she were not attractive i suppose there would not be much of a fuss. the pop culture obsession with celebrities is truly not very healthy.

keith, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Not just Aaliyah, maaaan - Scott Gallin, 41; Keith Wallace, 49, of Los Angeles; Douglas Kratz, 28, a representative for Virgin Records, and makeup artist Eric Foreman, 29, both of Hollywood, Calif.; Gina Smith, 29, of New Jersey; and Christopher Maldonado, 32, of New York; Anthony Dodd, 34, of Los Angeles all died in that plane crash too. I think THEIR families will also grieve while people talk about one singer...

Kodanshi, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

You know, I was absolutely mind blown when I read this. I'm hardly Aaliyah's biggest fan, as everyone knows, though I like Try Again and We Need a Resolution, but I don't know...it's just that after the fucking high weekend I had, I come online and read about two deaths, one famous, one not, and about breakups. I feel like shit to be so goddamned happy right now. It's giving me a migrane.

She seemed like a good person to me, I liked her well enough, I'm sorry for her family and the families of her crew.

Ally, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I always feel odd about celeb deaths, the only pop star who's ever died I was a big fan of was Kurt Cobain (yes, I was a 14 year old Nirvana fan)...I dunno, it's like the mysterious shroud of fame has been lifted and the horrible truth is revealed: stars are mortal too. Fame and fortune can't protect you from random badness. Though this is obvious, I always feel funny when reminded.

DG, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It's hard for me to truly feel bad about celebrity death because they aren't people I know. It's just that in some cases it's weird and upsetting - Aaliyah is just slightly older than me, and that's what's bothering me about it right now. You don't think of random things like this, you figure you've got years and years unless you do something stupid like overdose on drugs or drunk drive or something similar - you don't truly think you can go whenever, then you see something like this (and it does take celebrity death to do it, because I honestly don't read newspapers anymore and I don't have time to watch the news on tv on a regular basis), and it just shocks you.

Like I said, she seemed like a solid, nice, mostly clean-cut girl. As for the thing about her plane - it happens, the dynamics of planes are so random at times, they could've thrown in a handful of souvenirs from the island and that could've been the straw, if it was indeed overloading that did in the plane. It's not necessarily a diva- syndrome where her PAs were tossing things against the will of the airport, they could've just not known or figured they weren't adding a lot of stuff so it'd be fine.

Ally, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I only said it was a possibility [on ILE, that was].

DG, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

No, I know, that's why I was explaining it from how I saw it, whilst forgetting entirely which board you posted it on ;)

Ally, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Still sad though...what's sadder is that I'll probably get her album this week, now she's had that bit of free advertising.

DG, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Argh, don't get me started on that - I was going to buy her album. I really liked We Need a Resolution and was waiting to hear a few more tunes from it before I decided, because I'm not a huge Aaliyah fan in the past and I hate getting burnt on albums where I only like one thing. So I finally heard some more of the songs over the past week, downloading and all. And I decided I'd buy the album when I got paid this week. Now I refuse to do it because I don't want to be one of those people who buy albums because someone's dead. I don't want the stupid snotty punka cashiers at Tower thinking I'm doing that. Grr.

Ally, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Order it online. It'll be cheaper, too. And will be rec'd in 3 to 5 business days.

And, speaking as someone that ain't exactly Mr. R&B, her newest album is a damn fine album indeed. I, too, am avoiding purchasing said album for the time being, because I don't want the impetus behind me buying her record to be her death.

David Raposa, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What's the big deal? She ain't exactly Lauryn Hill or Aretha....

tony, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Thank god she's not Lauryn Hill, Lauryn Hill sucks.

Ally, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

not as much as the no-talent, over produced, alliyah. this cult of death is stupuid. she is going to have eighteen b-sides album this year. just you wait and see. gawd.

tony, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't care who sucks more, Lauryn Hill still sucks.

Ally, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Aaliyah had that most fragile of Pop Star qualities: elegance.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

oh do fuck off! elegance! she was a bloody pre-fabricated diva!

hahahaha!!!! people die everyday, she was just one of them.

tony, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, a man of charity and vision, that's you. Do you visit road accidents so you can jerk off over the mangled steel? Sheesh.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

She was no SRV.

"No more to build on there. And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs." - R. Frost

zacko, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

oh please.

more cult of the dead. if your neighbour died would you know or care to post this on the internet?

fact remains. you don't know her. i don't know her. i don't think she has the talent of the stars now that she is dead. just being honest, no flaky poetry for me.

tony, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

You don't have to think she has the talent of the stars at all regardless of death or life, and I didn't know her either, big surprise. I am not paralyzed with grief -- considering a board regular here and on ILE just lost his wife to incurable illness, my feelings are much more thoroughly committed elsewhere on that regard. But it seems all you can do prove how badass and 'real' you are and all, offering up cliches about celebrity cults and the like -- in which, why bother posting to the thread if you have nothing more to offer that than tawdry obviousness?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

if the strokes died i would be shattered. everything is a cliche if you look at it close enough.

tony, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The question is, why the hell did you care so much to jump in and say, basically, "Fuck it, she's dead, she sucked anyhow, let's start the party up". I mean, whatever, yo, if it works for you but doncha think it's a teensy bit childish and trollish?

Ally, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It would be trollish if he posted it on an Aaliyah bulletin board... so far he's just adding to the discussion.

I've never even heard of Aaliyah, and that's not a troll.

Sean, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

You saying "I wasn't familiar with her" does not equal trolling. Someone coming in and saying "Who cares? It's not like I liked her" is just obnoxious.

Quite frankly, I didn't particularly care for most of her music. I didn't feel the need to make it a salient point and come marching into the thread telling people to get off it, though.

Ally, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, I wasn't going to buy the album cos she died, it is now just a bit more prominent in my mind, 'tony'. Your posting style is awfully familiar.

DG, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Aaliyah's death is a tragedy for music, because she was at the vanguard of pop and r&b, pulling the mainstream towards newer and more exciting styles and sounds. Her last album is a beautiful record and although I can understand anyone feeling squamish about buying it shortly after her death I don't think that's good enough reason to postpone hearing it. I was shocked by the news, not because Aaliyah was pretty or famous, but because her music means something to me. I wish it had been one of the thousands of pop musicians I couldn't care less about, not Aaliyah.

JoB, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

True Job, so very true.

Omar, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What's the dealio with her dying? She is so old skool! Respect.

p. diggy, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Im not one for getting worked up about celebrity deathes. I have enough people dieing around me that I do have to deal with (like most people do I assume).

SRV was the last one to get me worked up when I was younger. I guess it was inflamatory saying whose death meant more to me rather then saying I just dont care. Its all kinda morbid, like trying to decide who died cooler, JC or JFK.

zacko, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
...

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

In retrospect, it's striking (or saddening, depending on your views) how quickly she has been replaced by Ashanti.

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

still think she was amazing... her and lisa left eye lopes were two of the most charismatic women in r&B and both sadly missed

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...
Four years now...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:58 (fourteen years ago) link

"if the strokes died i would be shattered"

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 August 2005 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link

tony's a real dick!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 25 August 2005 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Tony is I assume long gone.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 August 2005 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...
NEVER FORGET

Adam Rice Lacucaracha (nordicskilla), Saturday, 4 March 2006 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.getinfo247.info/amnesia-phobia.gif

amateurist0, Saturday, 4 March 2006 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link

I can honestly say that no female r&b singer has touched my life the same way since. I think she had a unique way of riding a beat, fitting her words in. I think she was important. And I think r&b would have been more interesting if she'd been making records in the last few years.

I remember seeing "Try again" on a hotel tv in Las Vegas back to back with D'angelo's "untitled" and thinking: r&b is going to be something to watch for the next few years. And it was true--for a while.

jules deferens, Sunday, 5 March 2006 12:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Ergh, the WORST.

MikoMcha, Thursday, 9 August 2012 12:23 (seven years ago) link

oh lord

REV LION (The Reverend), Saturday, 11 August 2012 18:42 (seven years ago) link

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/71175986.html

aaliyah's brother favourited a fan letter criticising drake's involvement in all of this <3

lex pretend, Thursday, 16 August 2012 09:36 (seven years ago) link

11 years ago today

mellow, groovy, chilled out, cool (k3vin k.), Sunday, 26 August 2012 03:17 (seven years ago) link

wait wasn't it just ten years ago today like a few weeks ago????

the mandy moorhols (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 26 August 2012 03:51 (seven years ago) link

I posted this in another thread and nobody cared but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86ZsEEPo_Tw

The Reverend, Sunday, 26 August 2012 03:56 (seven years ago) link

:O

The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Sunday, 26 August 2012 04:01 (seven years ago) link

eminem was the one who broke the news of aaliyah's passing to me. well he announced it during his set at the reading festival and asked for a moment of silence, the majority of the crowd didn't co-operate. He wasn't impressed.

pandemic, Sunday, 26 August 2012 11:10 (seven years ago) link

I posted this in another thread and nobody cared but

ha no it knocked me out & made me think about sampling & beatjacking a lot - what's really interesting is when it gets to a chord change & goes in a different direction that timbaland's version didn't, & was better for. weird to hear.

very sexual album (schlump), Sunday, 26 August 2012 11:26 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

this is incredible http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1693774/dmx-drake-aaliyah-collaboration.jhtml?xrs=share_twitter

J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 September 2012 20:51 (seven years ago) link

:-D

flopson, Friday, 14 September 2012 00:05 (seven years ago) link

DMX sums up my feelings on Drake perfectly:

I don’t like anything about Drake. I don’t like his voice. I don’t like what he talks about. I don’t like his face. I don’t like the way he walks. Let me shut up. Imma stop right there.

controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Friday, 14 September 2012 01:53 (seven years ago) link

omg dmx i hadn't seen that ilu ilu ilu yesssss

and also bless missy and tim for protecting babygirl's legacy:

Last night, Missy Elliott and Timbaland dropped off two, long-teased new singles at New York’s Hot 97. While there, they spoke with Angie Martinez, adding a new chapter to the winding, sad tale of the rumored new Aaliyah album. “I don’t even know if it’s an album,” Timbaland said. “I don’t think that’s in the works. I don’t know, I think it’s blown out of proportion. I haven’t spoken to Drake yet.” Missy says she hasn’t been contacted either, adding, “No call has been made to me… We’re talking about unfinished music. And we don’t know her reasoning for not putting those records out. Maybe she didn’t feel like they were her best work. We just don’t want to tap into that, just spiritually something else you know… very, very touchy. Unless her parents came in and conducted that.” Timbaland also called Drake’s Aaliyah portrait tattoo into question, saying, “To me, the tattoo part, did that man come in here and show y’all? Like lift up his shirt?”

lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 15:02 (seven years ago) link

nice that tim is giving drake shade despite the two of them having worked together

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 15:45 (seven years ago) link

is this drake thing the reason everyone aside from the usuals have been making it a point to assert that they love aaliyah lately? like it's reached semi-obnoxious mbv-revival levels

fauxmarc, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 16:00 (seven years ago) link

It's worse. It's not like most MBV newcomers/revivalists thought derisively of -- or ignored -- every other guitar-oriented band that was around during/after Loveless.

Andy K, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 16:13 (seven years ago) link

i haven't noticed this... who are some of the non-usuals who started loving aaliyah 4 weeks ago?

billstevejim, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 17:04 (seven years ago) link

all the quotes from the dude in yeasayer are a pretty good example

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 17:06 (seven years ago) link

i wasn't even thinking famous types just random whoevers tweeting and whatnot but i guess the famous types apply too

fauxmarc, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 17:17 (seven years ago) link

right, i think the idea is that that guy is representative of a certain group (altho prob a bit douchier)

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 17:22 (seven years ago) link

haha, I'm kind of trying to tone down my "usual"-ness for ~personal~ reasons. red album desktop wallpaper: gone.

tuomas without a nose ring (The Reverend), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 18:44 (seven years ago) link

keep in mind tho, that the anniversary of her death was a couple weeks ago, so that might have some to do with the love-in.

tuomas without a nose ring (The Reverend), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 18:47 (seven years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Twelve years.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 August 2013 15:47 (six years ago) link

"my one fervent wish, beyond sympathy for all the bereaved, is that there be no horribly maudlin tribute records."

oh god did you have any idea

katherine, Sunday, 25 August 2013 17:20 (six years ago) link

I just knew.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 August 2013 17:42 (six years ago) link

haha, I'm kind of trying to tone down my "usual"-ness for ~personal~ reasons. red album desktop wallpaper: gone.

― tuomas without a nose ring (The Reverend), Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:44 AM Bookmark

haha the ~personal~ reasons were bc I was dating a member of the Haughton family (like a second cousin or something) :-O

s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Sunday, 25 August 2013 20:55 (six years ago) link

!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 August 2013 21:10 (six years ago) link

when he told me his last name after having already told me he was from Detroit I damn near fainted

s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Sunday, 25 August 2013 21:12 (six years ago) link

five months pass...

so I'm near ready to pull the trigger on getting "Ultimate Aaliyah," a comp released in the UK. It seems like it has everything you need, cept "Age Ain't Nuthin' But a number," which I would understand if there was a desire to not emphasize. This copy is $35, 2 discs, and no DVD, which I'm not interested in.

Is this what I should go for if I want her shit in one place? That "I care for you" thing is cheaper, but it doesn't have "we need a resolution" or "rock the boat."

I've never bought a CD produced for the Euro market: are there still issues w/ regional coding?

and in case anyone sez "schmuck, you can d/l any song you want": I want to have a physical representation for songs I hold in such high esteem.

veronica moser, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 16:12 (six years ago) link

CDs have never been region coded

Number None, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 16:19 (six years ago) link

For $35 you could buy used or maybe even new copies of all three of her studio albums. That would seem the better investment to me. The only thing you'd be missing then is some of the soundtrack contributions, which that compilation does collect nicely, but are easy enough to download at a buck a pop. Feels like at that price point you really could legally own almost her entire discography, not just a selective two disc sampler.

Evan R, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 16:44 (six years ago) link

just buy the albums tbh

rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:33 (six years ago) link

i don't really rate the first album, is that bad?

flopson, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:37 (six years ago) link

she has 3 albums, buy them

le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:38 (six years ago) link

what's essential but not on the albums, other than "are you that somebody" ?

flopson, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:39 (six years ago) link

"don't know what to tell ya", "come back in one piece", "miss you"

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:43 (six years ago) link

"Try Again", "I Miss U", and "Come Over" obv

"John Blaze"

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1y33w_john-blaze_music

"Girlfriends"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69n8MAPPTq8

raggett neds of your summer dress (The Reverend), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:44 (six years ago) link

Oh yeah, "Come Back in One Piece" totally

raggett neds of your summer dress (The Reverend), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:44 (six years ago) link

"Man Undercover"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkKLXP-MaVY

raggett neds of your summer dress (The Reverend), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:46 (six years ago) link

oh, "Final Warning" obviously obviously obviously

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU3zq_6MaPo

raggett neds of your summer dress (The Reverend), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:55 (six years ago) link

i recently bought a used copy of the dr. doolittle soundtrack for 2 bucks for "are you that somebody"

dyl, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 20:47 (six years ago) link

that soundtrack had some jams on it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-vOB_Dez8o

raggett neds of your summer dress (The Reverend), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 21:06 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

http://theporouscity.com/media/aaliyah_please.png

0 / 0 (lukas), Friday, 26 February 2016 01:08 (four years ago) link

:(

http://theporouscity.com/media/aaliyah_please.png

0 / 0 (lukas), Friday, 26 February 2016 01:08 (four years ago) link

ignore that second post, technical difficulties

0 / 0 (lukas), Friday, 26 February 2016 01:11 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

i miss aaliyah

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 25 June 2020 19:50 (two weeks ago) link

listening to the self-titled for the first time in many years and it's. . .oh, let's just say a hundred times better than i remembered it. and i remember thinking at the time, "she died after making her best album." untimely death or no, what an amazing album.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 26 June 2020 05:12 (two weeks ago) link


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