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I just picked up the re-issue of MOONFLOWER. What a great album
This reminded of how good his old material is.

Any Santana fans out there with there favorite album?

yaeger, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Not even remotely a 'fan', to be honest. But I think fr'instance Abraxas was a really good record.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I like Abraxas and the self-titled album, but i tend to skip around a lot on them. I really like Caravanserai a lot as something to just leave on, even if it is not a perfect album. I am really excited to hear the reissue of Love, Devotion, Surrender.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, great, I bought an old copy of Love Devotion Surrender (on CD) right before the remastered one came out. It probably wouldn't have made much difference anyway. I was disappointed with it.

I like Abraxas (not all of it). I even liked some stuff from Supernatural, actually, but I tend to like anything that puts cha cha cha on mainstream radio. There are probably other Santana recordings I would like, but I don't feel inspired to sift through all the other stuff.

Al Andalous (Al Andalous), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Caravanserai and Welcome are two that I have; both are good and contain pop moments, great jam stuff, and some weird experimental stuff.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

>It probably wouldn't have made much difference anyway.

Depends what you liked and/or didn't like about the original. The remastering apparently brings Larry Young's organ much higher in the mix, which, for anyone who's ever heard Lawrence Of Newark, is a very good thing indeed.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Santana rules

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

The Lotus double-live album is ridiculously gorgeous and uber-powerful. It's from a one day show-series in Japan (kinda like Miles' Agharta and Pangaea).

There's also a live album that Santana did with Buddy Miles from the crater of an active volcano in Hawaii that is fucking phenomenal, but I can't remember the title of it for the life of me.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

It's called 'Carlos Santana & Buddy Miles! Live!' oddly enough. It's the only Santana album I ever listened to regularly (though Caravanserai has some great stuff)...it's got Buddy Miles and Greg Errico from Sly Stone on drums(!!!).

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Abraxas is great of course, but I like the "Hold On" single from their now-we're-commercial phase - lovely melody. Then again, I have a deep weakness for Lite FM-style stuff.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I know I'm supposed to not like the recent-years "Carlos works with pop artists" discs, and most of it I abhor, but he did this one song with Cee-Lo on the newest one that is really very good. It's getting to the point now where Cee-Lo's not just one of my favorite rappers and singers, but also one of my favorite songwriters too.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Unless I'm confused, a remastering shouldn't result in any element becoming louder in the mix (although better remastering might make individual elements sound clearer). No?

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Nick, did that new Cee-lo album come out yet?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link


(I'm a little worked up over this, obv.)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Quoting Thom Jurek's AMG review:

>On this 're-master,' one can hear Young's real contribution to the sessions for the first time: he is mixed much higher here allowing all of his otherworldly chords, syncopations, and harmonic inventions to be heard at their proper weights.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Does anyone have an opinion about whether or not I would probably like Caravanserai? I like Abraxas and some songs on Supernatural. I didn't like Love/Devotion/Surrender very much, except for the acoustic "Naima." How similar is Caravanserai to LDS?

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 28 May 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Caravanserai is the beginning of a phase which continued through Love, Devotion, Surrender and Welcome (and Lotus) and finished with Illuminations...the "religious crazy" years. It's mostly instrumental, lots of soloing but not really as hard rock as Abraxas - more fusion-y. He got weirder as he went on, until on Illuminations there's this incredible 13- or 14-minute free-rock-blare track where he's playing totally on-fire guitar in front of Dave Holland and Jack DeJohnette. If you like the poppier, more mainstream Santana, none of the albums I'm listing are for you, including Caravanserai.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 28 May 2004 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I think there also a John Coltrane song called 'Naima' - is this the same tune?

57 7th (calstars), Friday, 28 May 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Count me in the Lotus brigade. There's this great moment on it where he busts out momentarily with the melody from "My Favorite Things", ending it with a climb up to a high-pitched wail. If you need only one moment to grasp the man's essential greatness (and I pretty much did)...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 28 May 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

The music on 'Caravanserai' has the latin rock sound like of 'Abraxas' as it is still with the core band (Rolie/Shreive/Areas) like the first three Santana albums. Most of the music is instrumental and there isn't anything as catchy as 'Oye Como Va' or 'Black Magic Woman'. If you like the other songs outside the hits on 'Abraxas' and the instrumentals, you will probably like 'Caravanserai'.

'Love Devotion Surrender' is pretty much a studio jam and tribute to Coltrane between Carlos Santana with most of Mahavishnu and other jazz players. It was a different kind of thing and wasn't recorded by 'the band' that was known as Santana.

earlnash, Friday, 28 May 2004 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link

57 7th, it is. That album also has a cover (a cover!) of "A Love Supreme," which was one reason I wanted to hear it.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 28 May 2004 13:47 (nineteen years ago) link

What about The Swing of Delight with Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter, Ron Carter, and Tony Williams — when he was "Devadip" Carlos Santana? Fusiony goodness a la Lotus? Or boring/cheesy as piss?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 28 May 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

How much of an Afro-Cuban percussion thing is going on, on Caravanserai? From what I've read about it, it sounds like there's not much of that. (Having that percussion element would tend to make it easier for me to get into, I think.)

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 28 May 2004 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I never much liked the early Santana records, I'll go with Tito Puente on "Oye Como Va." But I do like "Lotus" and "Moonflower" OK.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

"Waves Within"

Paul (scifisoul), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Based on Thom Jurek's review, Caravanserai sounds fantastic. Is Illuminations any good? And for that matter, how's the (deep breath) Laswell remix record?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 28 May 2004 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
From an interview (and a very interesting one, overall) with Juan de Marocs Gonzalez, of Afro Cuban All Stars fame:

Is it my imagination, or is there a bit of influence of the Grupo de Experimentación Sonora and Leo Brouwer in one or two of the tracks on Step Forward?

I haven’t noticed it, but it’s very likely. The two things which pushed me to abandon rock as a form of expression were the Grupo de Experimentaciòn with Brouwer, Silvio Rodríguez, etc and the albums of Carlos Santana which fused Cuban elements with sixties and seventies rock. The Grupo de Experimentaciòn established a very innovative way of interpreting the Cuban music of its time. Leo Brouwer, in particular, is a Mozart of this era.--http://www.fly.co.uk/fly/archives/2005/06/juan_de_marcos_gonzalez_-_stepping_forward_and_setting_the_record_straight.html

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
listening to the triple-vinyl copy of Lotus that i just got (i needed the freaky posters, man) and it is god-like, of course. was wondering if anyone knew of any cool after-the-fact cd sets of live stuff that i missed. i have always just picked up old vinyl when it comes to santana and there must be some cool archival stuff out there. if the dead can have every live fart digitally-remastered for our pleasure, there must be someone doing something on a smaller scale for carlos, no? i got a copy of the devadip *oneness* album too that i have never heard. gonna play it now.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Metatron's led him on a bum steer. You cannot trust these archangels.

moley, Monday, 24 October 2005 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah there was that two-CD set Live at the Fillmore that Columbia/Legacy released a few years back, at the time when they were seemingly releasing archival Live at the Fillmore's for all their artists (there was also the Big Brother and Byrds ones around the same time, and RCA did a Jefferson Airplane one ... all pretty great.) It's good! The first album band, includes a version of "Fried Neckbones", which is always a treat of course.

No home is complete without a Lotus triple lp.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm digging this devadip album. the live in japan stuff on it is really cool.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

how's the (deep breath) Laswell remix record?

Enchanting and blissed-out, but not in a cheesy way. Laswell subtly intensifies the cosmicness of the original material.

original plagiarist, Monday, 24 October 2005 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

"was wondering if anyone knew of any cool after-the-fact cd sets of live stuff that i missed."

The recent deluxe reissue of the first Santana album includes a second disc with the entire Woodstock live set. If you don't have the first one on CD, it is worth the extra couple of bucks to get this one. The remasters of the Santana albums sound excellent.

Sony has done this with a few other releases putting a second disc of archieve live material on Johnny Winter's Second Winter, Muddy Water's Mississippi Muddy Waters Live and Who's Next. In fact, all of the Sony reissues of the Blue Sky Muddy Waters records are doubled in length with outtakes and live tracks. All of those are worth checking out. Sony does a nice job with their reissues, other labels should take note.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

wow, i really enjoyed that *oneness* album! nice stuff.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

i heartily recommend it to anyone who has never heard it. you can probably find it for a dollar on vinyl.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

For awhile Downtown Music Gallery was selling a 2CD Santana bootleg called With Loving Devotion To John Coltrane which was from a 1974 Chicago concert by a one-time-only McLaughlin/Santana half-Santana band/half-Mahavishnu group. It's fucking great.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow! I will keep my eyes open.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 00:55 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

Call me crazy, but I actually want to hear this:


1. Whole Lotta Love (featuring Chris Cornell)
2. Can t You Hear Me Knocking (featuring Scott Weiland)
3. Sunshine Of Your Love (featuring Rob Thomas)
4. While My Guitar Gently Weeps (featuring India.Arie & Yo-Yo Ma)
5. Dance The Night Away (featuring Pat Monahan)
6. Back In Black (featuring Nas and Janelle Monáe)
7. Riders On The Storm (featuring Chester Bennington & Ray Manzarek)
8. Smoke On The Water (featuring Jacoby Shaddix)
9. Photograph (featuring Chris Daughtry)
10. Bang A Gong (featuring Gavin Rossdale)
11. Little Wing (featuring Joe Cocker)
12. I Ain t Superstitious (featuring Jonny Lang)
13. Fortunate Son (featuring Scott Stapp)
14. Under The Bridge (featuring Andy Vargas)

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 9 September 2010 21:00 (twelve years ago) link

When Santana wasn't great:


Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 September 2010 21:03 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

Been enjoying the Laswell record a lot. Swing of Delight is pretty good as well. My Spotify mix of When Devadip was great:


Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 25 February 2013 12:15 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

Digging into the Carlos Santana & Buddy Miles Live! album now. It opens with an absolutely blistering version of John McLaughlin's "Marbles" (from the awesome Devotion) that features Carlos and Neil Schon doing some impressive duetting.

Onto the 25-minute "Free Form Funkafide Filth" now, which, a few minutes in, does not appear to be as noteworthy as its title.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 20:30 (seven years ago) link

^^^ listening to this now, for the first time in 30 years. Totally transporting me to my teenhood. I was fascinated by side-long jams as a kid, but I pretty much skipped "FFFF" even back then.

Half as cool as Man Sized Action (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 20:47 (seven years ago) link

There's a great essay to be written (perhaps it has been in the liners to the LD&S reissue, which I don't have, or the Stump book which is on its way to me) on the relationship between Santana and McLaughlin. On the surface, you'd think these guys might not be compatible -- it sounds like Santana was kind of in awe of McLaughlin's technical prowess. But they shared a lot in common: a guru, a love of Coltrane, affection for each other's compositions (Santana played "Marbles" from Devotion on the Buddy Miles record and "Meditation" from LD&S is on Lotus). Here's a good quote from the Mahavishnu book:

Carlos Santana:I felt really comfortable being next to John. I looked at John as a brother who, like B.B. King or Buddy Guy, was someone that was there before me in that arena with Miles. I had loved what he had done onIn A Silent WayandBitches Brew. I was coming from the mentality of thinking that jazz was an ocean and that there were also lakes, swimming pools and bathtubs. I knew I couldn’t go to the ocean where Charlie Parker, Coltrane, Miles and Wayne hung out. That was a whole other thing for me and I respect that. But, I can hang out in the deep end of the lake! Once I got the confidence I needed, that even with John McLaughlin, I could hold my own...

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 11 September 2015 13:28 (seven years ago) link

I'm pretty sure there's some stuff about McLaughlin (and that whole era of Santana) in Carlos's autobiography from a couple of years ago. I remember flipping through it specifically looking for the chapters on the early '70s.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 11 September 2015 13:37 (seven years ago) link

Actually, it came out last year, and was co-written with Ashley Kahn, who's done some decent jazz books.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 11 September 2015 13:39 (seven years ago) link

I love LDS, some scorching guitar stuff on there. Quite transcendental in places.
There's a tour for the lp that has something like 10 shows shared which somebody talks about 1 date from somewhere earlier in the thread I think. Dates were shared on at least Dime and Trader;'s Den, I'm not sure if they're up there still but what I heard was great.
I meant to pick up the most recent remaster of the LDS cd but haven't got around to it.

I think Santana was interesting live up through 1973, possibly a little later. I do love that Bitches Brew like fusion stuff he was playing with the Lotus era band anyway.
I do also really like the Fillmore '68 set, but is it the 1st lp line up or one previous to that. Not sure where mine is at the moment.

Stevolende, Friday, 11 September 2015 13:53 (seven years ago) link

seven months pass...

Got to say I am pretty curious about the Santana IV record coming out next week which is a reunion of the Santana III lineup with Neal Schon, Greg Rollie, Michael Shrieve and Michael Carabello with Ronald Isley guesting on three songs on vocals.

earlnash, Monday, 11 April 2016 02:40 (seven years ago) link

the abraxas pool album (schon/rollie/shrive) from the 90s is terrible.

lute bro (brimstead), Monday, 11 April 2016 03:47 (seven years ago) link

carabello's on it too

lute bro (brimstead), Monday, 11 April 2016 03:48 (seven years ago) link

Sony put out that 2 CD version of Santana III that has a bonus live show of that version of the band and it is excellent.

earlnash, Monday, 11 April 2016 04:05 (seven years ago) link

curious what Brad thinks of "Say It Again."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 August 2016 00:52 (six years ago) link

i haven't before now but i feel extremely positive about the first thirty seconds

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 August 2016 00:55 (six years ago) link


The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 August 2016 00:57 (six years ago) link

Marcus Miller shreds! Fuiud

brimstead, Thursday, 18 August 2016 01:00 (six years ago) link

I liked him a lot with Miles, especially We Want Miles and Tutu, but would prefer someone with more of a '70s jamming mindset with Santana. I've never heard Cupid & Psyche and that's unlikely to change.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 18 August 2016 01:03 (six years ago) link

He seems fluid and versatile enough to succeed with that sound, idk. We'll see I guess.

brimstead, Thursday, 18 August 2016 01:05 (six years ago) link

- Michael Henderson ('70s Miles band)
- Buster Williams (Mwandishi)
- Stanley Clarke
- Tony Levin (saw him with Santana in the late '80s)
- Bill Laswell

would rather see this band

great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 18 August 2016 05:06 (six years ago) link

that band has a big bottom

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 August 2016 06:05 (six years ago) link

Just heard "Open Invitation" from Inner Secrets (https://youtu.be/cQP_05hTYWg) on Pandora--Santana biting Zep or Whitesnake or something for one of the most "1978" Rock records you can imagine.

a full playlist of presidential sex jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 18 August 2016 06:08 (six years ago) link

Wasn't Inner secrets the album they recorded down the hall from Prince when he was tracking For You (and where he met Sheila E)?

a full playlist of presidential sex jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 18 August 2016 06:10 (six years ago) link

"santana supergroup" just brings back bad memories of that mclaughlin thing he did in '73.

a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Thursday, 18 August 2016 10:55 (six years ago) link

But Love Devotion Surrender is a fantastic lp with a great bunch of live sets from a supporting tour.

& it's got Larry Young onboard and everything

Stevolende, Thursday, 18 August 2016 11:01 (six years ago) link

^^^^ otm

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 August 2016 13:03 (six years ago) link

^^^^ otm

― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson),

hancock/shorter jazz fest set was one of my favorite musical experiences of 2016

maura, Thursday, 18 August 2016 14:21 (six years ago) link

honestly it was the best thing i've ever seen prob

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 August 2016 15:42 (six years ago) link

someone uploaded a longer video of it finally


i think it was essentially 3-4 improvised pieces over 45 minutes

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 August 2016 15:45 (six years ago) link

herbie handcock, the porn version of herbie hancock

a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Thursday, 18 August 2016 16:17 (six years ago) link

ugh carlos is the bono of lead guitarists


brimstead, Saturday, 20 August 2016 06:24 (six years ago) link


brimstead, Saturday, 20 August 2016 06:24 (six years ago) link

or, the jordan crawford or something.. total disregard for feel and integration, just "here i go shredding away, look out everyone"

brimstead, Saturday, 20 August 2016 06:26 (six years ago) link

oh man. Excerpts:

[u]It certainly was a very hot one!

Cast of characters:

Carlos Santana
Rob Thomas
Itaal Shur (co-author)
Matt Serletic (producer)
Brian Yale (Matchbox Twenty bass player)
Bono (Bono)
Marcus Raboy (Music Video Director)
Marisol Maldonado (Thomas’ wife, the Spanish Harlem Mona Lisa)

The year was 1999. Carlos Santana and Rob Thomas recorded “Smooth” and it quickly became one of the most ubiquitous and successful singles of all time. Whether you love it or hate it, “Smooth” remains a career defining moment for both Santana and Thomas, and continues to evoke strong and passionate reactions seventeen years later. Here now is the untold and often harrowing story of how “Smooth” came to be, in the words of those who lived through the life-changing experience.
Chapter I: A Hot Day

Carlos Santana: It is difficult to remember much about the song “Smooth” featuring Rob Thomas because I do not care and it does not really matter. But I believe it all started when Jamiroquai rang me on the telephone to tell me about his boring day.

This may or may not be 100% real.

Matt Serletic (producer): It’s been confirmed again and again that Jamiroquai made no such call. Everyone knows Jamiroquai has no phone. And if he did, he wouldn’t know how to use it. [laughs uncontrollably]

Itaal Shur (co-writer): Santana’s people reached out to me to see if I had a song up my big sleeves that would close out their concept album. The only direction they gave me is that it should make the listener visualize sexual-intercourse.[/i]

Thomas: I didn’t even know who Carlos Santana was at this point. I actually thought he was the guy that who was in charge of Libya


Thomas: “Room 17” was a great song. Maybe the best I’ve ever heard. It made me super horny. I loved it. But something was missing. So I changed the lyrics, the melody, and everything else about it. When I sat down to re-write my intention was not only to write a song that makes the listener want to bone another human being, but to write a song that could [here, Thomas closes his eyes] kill God.

Maldonado: Mr. Santana was not pleased with the line about the Spanish Harlem Mona Lisa. I don’t blame him. That line means nothing to Rob, and it makes me throw up every time I think about it.

Santana: I said, “What the hell is this Spanish Harlem Mona Lisa crap all about, white boy?” Rob said nothing for a moment. Finally, he smiled like a murderer and told me nothing means anything until the Kingdom of Heaven burns. I have to admit, the kid had guts. [laughs]


The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 August 2016 21:59 (six years ago) link

eight months pass...

Just got my copy of the super deluxe Japanese reissue of Lotus in the mail. It was triple vinyl originally, and a double CD when it was reissued in the 90s, but now it's a triple CD, fully remastered in surround sound (it's a hybrid SACD) to replicate the original quadrophonic mix, plus it's got 7 previously unreleased tracks adding 35 minutes of music. It's in a 5"x5" package that folds out like the vinyl edition used to, has two thick-ass booklets, a poster, and a whole bunch of other shit. It's crazy. No plans for a US release as far as I know.

Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 21 April 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link

Shit that sounds awesome. Lotus is such a great record. SACD is the one surround format I still don't have – otherwise I would be all over that.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 23 April 2017 03:22 (six years ago) link

I had my eye on that, importcds had it for $6x, now it's $72, too much.

Fastnbulbous, Monday, 24 April 2017 19:16 (six years ago) link

If you saw the physical package, you wouldn't hesitate. It's seriously one of the most beautiful things ever. And the music sounds fantastic.

Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 24 April 2017 19:31 (six years ago) link


Blue Demon III (lpz), Monday, 24 April 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link

ten months pass...

I wrote a big piece about Santana's "white suit" years for VinylMePlease, because I've always wanted to write about this whole era, and they accepted the pitch.

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 8 March 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link

digging that article phil and ALSO digging these santana albums that i haven't revisited since i was 14 prob

marcos, Thursday, 15 March 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link

There are some pretty dope tracks on those '70s records, especially when he's not soloing. I like the ones that are basically Rhodes, bass, and a blizzard of thinly-recorded percussion.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 15 March 2018 21:29 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

Been on a run listening to the first three Santana albums. That original band was something else. I really am impressed on how those records sound as the way they pan it out with the percussion gives it a real deep stereo sense of space.

The Santana records, the main kit is panned a bit to the right with one of the percussionists and then they have the other panned usually to the left. Then the deep congas are right in the middle of the mix with the bass. I'm sure some of those big old style CBS studios they used probably helped too, as all of those Columbia records usually always sounded great.

You listen to some of the Dead's studio recording with their two drummers, it's like the band loses a bit of the low end out of the percussion. It would have definitely been cool to have a studio version of That's It for the Other Ones with that kind of production quality of the first three Santana records.

earlnash, Saturday, 9 June 2018 00:09 (four years ago) link

Best music.

brimstead, Saturday, 9 June 2018 18:15 (four years ago) link

If you had asked me previously if had heard Lotus I would have said yes, but I'm listening to it today and I have no recollection of Leon Thomas' yodelling on it. I saw Santana around the time it was recorded (1973? 1974?) but he must have been replaced by then. Anyway, cool record.

even in your onion (Dan Peterson), Monday, 11 June 2018 21:39 (four years ago) link

Leon Thomas also sang on "Welcome" which was the studio record before Lotus. I don't think Lotus was released in the US until the CD age. "Borboletta" is also a fusion record too and worth hearing too.

I just started into the next group of Santana groups hearing Amigos, Festival and Moonflower for the first time this year. Only heard them once though so far...

earlnash, Monday, 11 June 2018 22:32 (four years ago) link

eight months pass...

Man, Caravanserai is a very satisfying listen. Easily one of his best.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link

yea it is really good!

marcos, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 17:18 (four years ago) link

I heard Abraxas for the first time in ages over the weekend and it prompted me to listen to some more. I don't think I'd heard Caravanserai for 20+ years.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

Man, Caravanserai is a very satisfying listen. Easily one of his best.

early sunday evening with sunshine colours filling the house.
glass of wine poured.
food on the go in the oven.
this album is the absolutely perfect soundtrack.

mark e, Sunday, 7 July 2019 16:53 (three years ago) link

Huh I don’t think I’ve heard Caravanserai at all. I guess I need to listen to it today.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 7 July 2019 17:35 (three years ago) link

My copy is whipped... I'm due for an upgrade. Shouldn't be hard to find but I never see it clean, whereas I have probably 5 copies of Abraxas I've picked up on the cheap or free

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 7 July 2019 17:41 (three years ago) link

On unperson's recommendation, I listened to "Africa Speaks" and found it to be quite good on the whole. A little overlong- I guess he cut 40 tunes and edited down to 11 running 66 minutes. Anyway, it's really a good listen and happily is recorded well. As usual for a Santana record, the percussion sounds fantastic.

I was surprised in poking around how much music he's put out in recent years. I only just found out earlier this year that he'd done an album with the mostly-original Santana band, and hadn't been aware of his album with the Isleys at all. Anyway, I'm pretty impressed that he's out there still making new music.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 21 July 2019 00:42 (three years ago) link

was also pleasantly surprised by Africa Speaks, almost bailed at the corny spoken word at the beginning, glad I didn't

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 21 July 2019 00:52 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

Also want to report that through the Emitt rhodes thread of all places I discovered that Jose "Chepito" Areas put out a solo album in '74 that's on Spotify and is quite dope. A lot like early Santana, but with less guitar and more horns, plus the keyboard player utilizes an Arp from time to time.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 6 August 2020 03:21 (two years ago) link

eleven months pass...

“Yours Is the Light” from Welcome sounds like Carlos enlisted The Free Design to front the band.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 6 July 2021 12:26 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Count me in the Lotus brigade. There's this great moment on it where he busts out momentarily with the melody from "My Favorite Things", ending it with a climb up to a high-pitched wail. If you need only one moment to grasp the man's essential greatness (and I pretty much did)...

FWIW, I believe the moment in question happens during "Incident At Neshabur." Count me in too - as good as those first three albums are, I think Lotus is THE Santana masterpiece, easily Carlos's greatest album, not to mention the greatest configuration of the band.

birdistheword, Thursday, 25 May 2023 19:50 (one week ago) link


Stevo, Thursday, 25 May 2023 20:22 (one week ago) link

Somebody points out in the comments on that video that Carlos Santana was only 26 in 1973.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 25 May 2023 21:44 (one week ago) link

In my high school art class, one of my fellow students seemed to paint nothing but portraits of Miles Davis and Carlos Santana. On our outing to the art gallery, he kept encouraging us and the teacher to take turns listening to Lotus on his Walkman.
I still haven't heard it, though, partly because I found Welcome pretty dull and so wasn't that interested in exploring his jazz phase any further.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 26 May 2023 01:41 (one week ago) link

Lotus is closer to Agharta than any kind of jazz. It'll take your head off.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 26 May 2023 01:58 (one week ago) link

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