Defend Phil Collins

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Go on, I dare ya

Fugs, Monday, 6 October 2003 22:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Great drummer in early Genesis....critically underrated 80s pop singer...Sussudio and In The Air Tonight are classics...In The Air Tonight is prob. one of my favorite songs of the decade for its Miami Vice, minimal spooky throb and accusatory Phil vox....also really like Turn It On Again by later Genesis.

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 6 October 2003 22:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Didn't he vote Tory, kiss the Queen's bum, do the patronising World of Confusion video, star in "Buster", make an arse out of himself on "Brass Eye" and sing "Dance into the Light", possibly the worst song ever?

Fugs, Monday, 6 October 2003 23:06 (sixteen years ago) link

You said defend him, so I did....I'm just saying he's such a cliche "horrible artist" for people to bring up....He's really pretty harmless at worst, and is actually a tremendous musician as a drummer....I've never heard Dance Into the Light, but I doubt it's the worst song ever....

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 6 October 2003 23:10 (sixteen years ago) link

He used to be, and most probbly still is, a very good drummer.

(arh, xx-pst)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 6 October 2003 23:17 (sixteen years ago) link

I think I probably still think several tracks on 'Hello, I Must Be Going' are good (my sister used to have it). Sussudio and most of the other stuff I've heard from 'No Jacket Required' is a bit rubbish.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 6 October 2003 23:26 (sixteen years ago) link

tWt = OTM. search: genesis, eno, fripp, john cale, pshhh even the band aid drumtrack is pretty kicking.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 6 October 2003 23:28 (sixteen years ago) link

patrick bateman to thread.

He played drums for Eno.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Monday, 6 October 2003 23:29 (sixteen years ago) link

his music's not any worse than Sting or Peter Gabriel, but he's partly reviled by the prog-ites for choosing R&B and Pop over, say Jazz or 4th World or whatever. & if he gets up enough music-snobs' noses, there's probably some good to him!
+ ABACAB on = prog gone new-Pop?

politics-wise I've heard things, but since I don't check him - haven't investigated further (on the other hand, if I lived in the UK...).

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 00:29 (sixteen years ago) link

this Trick Of The Tale fan hated Duke at the time though (and never went back). same reaction to Yes - Drama (though "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" sounded fabulous on a dancefloor this past weekend!).

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 00:40 (sixteen years ago) link

"I don't care any mow-ooh-woh."

calstars (calstars), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 00:57 (sixteen years ago) link

his band Flaming Youth was fucked up, dude. like, totally fucked. it was like the end of the world and flaming youth tried to explain it all. you know?

scott seward, Tuesday, 7 October 2003 02:57 (sixteen years ago) link

I think Red Rain captured the Miami Vice vibe better.

Catherine (Catherine), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 03:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Not only did he play drums for Eno, he played drums on "No One Receiving," which has the best drumming of any Eno song...

Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 03:47 (sixteen years ago) link

"take me home" = underrated great song

Little Big Macher (llamasfur), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 04:37 (sixteen years ago) link

"no reply at all" is hotttt

Annouschka Magnatech (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 05:38 (sixteen years ago) link

I bought Abacab in the dollar bin and am glad I did. Love the title song, and Keep it Dark. Actually I've never played the whole thing. Good drummer. Good vocalist too I guess, if (for a while) overexposed.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 06:34 (sixteen years ago) link

loads of good songs

anyone remember marcello's freejazz story?

prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:00 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~tewing/2003_08_10_singlesa.html#106088432297396329

I was too nice to the Postal Service though.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Sussudio is atrocious! The place where I had dinner last night played a whole Phil Collins album (couldn't make one which one) and I realised his music has got to be some of the most unintentionally depressing stuff out there.. The voice, the singing, the production, the attempted-funkiness, all make me think of how lonely and empty this world can be..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Or, how humane and filled with love.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:22 (sixteen years ago) link

"Defend Phil Collins"

Ol' Dirty Bastard and lots of other rap and RnB stars to thread.

Also, Geir needs to be here.

Nick H, Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:58 (sixteen years ago) link

RFI: Is there really such a thing as the 'Hip Hop Tribute Album to PC'?

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 08:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, he was a member of the best band ever during the 70s, he even sung for them on a couple of their best albums. :-)

Other than that, I still think his first three solo albums have gotten a bit too much criticism. Sure, they aren't quite in the league of Peter Gabriel's solo work (much less in the league of Genesis at their best), but there are lots of great tracks there too. From "But Seriously" onward it was downhill though, and "Dance Into The Light" is probably one of the worst albums ever.

Also, Phil Collins is a magnificent drummer. Maybe his best moment as a drummer is "Intruder" - the opening track on Peter Gabriel's third album.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 08:13 (sixteen years ago) link

There is indeed a hip-hop tribute to Phil Collins. A friend suggested that the hip-hop community respected the "gangsta" way he dealt with his wife's affair with his decorator (ie, an ultra-spiteful appearance on TOTP with a tin of paint on the piano).

'Mama''s quite a good song.

He was a big fan of The Action as a youth.

No, that's it. I've run out of good words to say for him.

Martin Horsfield, Tuesday, 7 October 2003 08:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I fail to see the "gangsta" element of that..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 08:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Also, old 'onest Phil ain't specifica-ridiculously ashamed of his nice shiny cranium, it seems.
(Which seems to be more of a good than a bad thing, eh? :)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 11:54 (sixteen years ago) link

The man does seem relatively articulate in funny in interviews. Also, he often admits how derivative and soulless is music is.
*Over and Out*

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:21 (sixteen years ago) link

On the subject of Suseudio .. my darkly humoured friend had this running joke in which he would know he'd thrown his life away if ever the day came that he found himself smoking crack naked on the bedroom floor listening to Suseudio of all things. 'Could I sink any lower'? I suppose he thought it was the most spiritless song in the history of sound.

mick hall (mick hall), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Back in the old days, Letterman went on and on making fun of Sussudio, even when Collins played it on the show. There was a classic sketch where they went to a fans house and Letterman sat on this teenage girls bed holding up her copy of that Phil Collins album with his orange dome on the cover saying something like "look kids, its Phil Collins, mmmn Sussudio."

I like "Against All Odds", no matter how schmaltzy it may be, although it may be because I had a thing for Rachel Ward when I was a teenager.

earlnash, Tuesday, 7 October 2003 13:23 (sixteen years ago) link

His position in pop culture is solidly entrenched, by virtue of American Psycho, and the whole urban legend surrounding "In the Air Tonight." Is that a defense? Not really.

He is a decent actor, and probably one of the top hundred-thousand drummers in the world.

Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 13:33 (sixteen years ago) link

What's the urban legend surround 'IAT'?

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:11 (sixteen years ago) link

What's the urban legend surrounding 'IAT'?

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:11 (sixteen years ago) link

The version I heard was that Phil had witnessed a murder and the song was directed at the murderer...However, in "Stan" Eminem says something about the song in reference to how Phil couldn't save someone from drowning, so I guess Em heard a different version of the myth....

I think that the fact the song has actually spawned an urban legend speaks to how powerful it is....

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:40 (sixteen years ago) link

"Take Me Home" - yes, a pretty spiffy song.
"In The Air Tonight" - classic, no matter how you slice it.
"Mama" spooky fun.

Don't know much else about his music and frankly don't care.

Sure, he's a good drummer, but I recall hating him for his skin-work on the re-made version of Howard Jones' 'No One Is To Blame' - the original was far better.

He is indeed pretty funny in interviews. Very self-affacting. I think he'd be an OK guy to have a pint with. Although the conversation with Peter Gabriel would be far more interesting. Sting can blow himself. (sorry - did an interview with Sting recently and I'm struggling BADLY to finish the article)

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link

sorry - should be 'self-effacing'...

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link

i like his lurking presence in that bone thugz n harmony video, he's cool... not trying to be "down" or anything, just kind of bewildered and amiable.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link

The urban legend, explained:

http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/someair.htm

Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link

salmon, thanx for the line...

Fritz, I didn't know he was in a Bone Thugs video?? Which one??

Also, imagine the possibilities that appearance brings up in a game of "Six Degrees of Phil Collins"....it probably means you could connect say, Mase and Marianne Faithful in less than 4 degrees....like Bone Thugs worked with collins, they worked with Biggie on Notorious Thugs, Biggie worked with Mase, then Phil subbed for drums with Zeppelin at Live Aid (I think) and probably John Paul Jones did some arranging for Marianne I bet back in the mid-60s....(I'm not sure about all these facts, just speculating, but the possibilites like this are endless.)...

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link

"Invisible Touch" is an outstanding song. I am shocked and beguiled by the unhuman hatred for "Dance into the Light." I adore that song and the Gondry directed video for it. I was going to start a thread about that specific song because I assumed it was merely forgotten. "We have each other, we have-a one voice."

theodore fogelsanger, Tuesday, 7 October 2003 19:44 (sixteen years ago) link

The place where I had dinner last night played a whole Phil Collins album (couldn't make one which one) and I realised his music has got to be some of the most unintentionally depressing stuff out there.. The voice, the singing, the production, the attempted-funkiness, all make me think of how lonely and empty this world can be..

Isn't this what we praise Joy Division for?

Mike Taylor (mjt), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link

He has a song on Into the Light called 'Love Police.' Nuff Said.

calstars (calstars), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 01:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Also don't forget other vapid hits 'Another Day in Paradise' and 'I Wish it Would Rain Down.'

calstars (calstars), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 01:16 (sixteen years ago) link

the word 'unintentionally' is the key distinction

Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 01:18 (sixteen years ago) link

(sorry that was for Mike T)

Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 01:22 (sixteen years ago) link

"I Know There's Something Going On" by Frida is surely justification enough for Phil Collins' career, right? I've only heard two of the fella's actual songs (In the Air Tonight and Take me Home) and they seemed pretty alright too. I don't really see why he's so awful, but I never heard Genesis and am not really familiar with a lot of the cultural baggage that I'm sure could make him seem a lot more unappealing...

Adrian (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 06:23 (sixteen years ago) link

plus my friend criticized the production on READY TO DIE as sounding "like something Phil Collins would've done in the 80s", which just made me like him even more

Adrian (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 06:24 (sixteen years ago) link

yep 'unintentionally' is the key word here, kind of like the cheery and super-colourful cafeteria in a third-league amusement park in the vicinity of Hicksville

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 06:25 (sixteen years ago) link

He's the sort of guy who if interviewed on TV would always be interviewed in his home studio, as if he spends all his time there and the TV crew have just popped round and caught him working on his latest masterpiece.

Nick H, Wednesday, 8 October 2003 08:05 (sixteen years ago) link

< mutter > Brank X weren't too bad I s'pose < /reluctant >

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 10:29 (sixteen years ago) link

xp - yeah, if they just played the track straight thru while nodding their heads or something (and injecting an occasional “reaction”), I can see why it would be hard to defend as fair use.

Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Monday, 10 August 2020 14:05 (one month ago) link

lmao that is a great story

shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 10 August 2020 14:05 (one month ago) link

But, of course, none of these charts don’t take into account the number of listens that “In the Air Tonight” is getting just from fascinated viewers enjoying Tim and Fred Williams’ reaction video — which, as of this writing, is up to 3.2 million views.

jfc hire an editor

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 13:42 (one month ago) link

Editors are expensive!

gnarled and turbid sinuses (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 13:55 (one month ago) link

They should make reaction videos

rob, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 13:59 (one month ago) link

Something in the Air Tonight

Rare Harrison / Collins collab

― vitreous humorist (Ye Mad Puffin)

they had to get together sooner or later, because the revolution's here

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 14:05 (one month ago) link

They should make reaction videos

― rob

that would be a fantastic pivot

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 14:05 (one month ago) link

“In the Air Tonight” currently sits at No. 3 on the iTunes song sales chart, trailing only the brand new releases “WAP” by Cardi B featuring Megan Thee Stallion and “Beers and Sunshine” by Darius Rucker.

....

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 14:47 (one month ago) link

Another entry in the "News items from 2020 that would make utterly no sense to a time traveler from 2010" file.

Like "President Trump denies he's involved in getting Kanye West on the presidential ballot."

vitreous humorist (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:02 (one month ago) link

Darius Rucker has been having #1 country albums since 2008

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:04 (one month ago) link

"Beers and Sunshine" was a #2 stream...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:58 (one month ago) link

also a cure for Covid-19

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 16:01 (one month ago) link

-Chuck D

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 16:02 (one month ago) link

Because Something In the Air Tonight is already meme-fodder.

― peace, man, Monday, August 10, 2020 10:32 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

See? It continues.

Not sure who to thank for this, but it’s brilliant. Volume up. pic.twitter.com/q4OjWl4XXx

— Mark (@markaduck) August 10, 2020

peace, man, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 17:33 (one month ago) link

While we're at it with the Phil Collins pic.twitter.com/p1HD73DY4E

— 🏳️‍🌈 BLACK LIVES MATTER 🏳️‍🌈 (@politelyviolent) August 7, 2020

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 18:22 (one month ago) link

I find hairy/beardy Phil endearing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duq_h2aboLI

I'm gonna assume y'all have seen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=7ceT8tyxtq4&feature=emb_logo

vitreous humorist (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 19:02 (one month ago) link

or perhaps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ceT8tyxtq4

vitreous humorist (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 19:04 (one month ago) link

tipsy's clip catches an interesting moment - first, they are so totally miming that Phil starts late and (a bit too obviously) looks around in the hope that no one notices. Also lol at Mike and Tony pretending to sing backup.

Second, I am very pleased to see what must have been a pretty early live appearance of the mighty Chester Thompson. Just a few months before it would have, presumably, been Bruford.

vitreous humorist (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 19:14 (one month ago) link

Put well by my friend: "The best thing about these first-time videos is that they idealize how you always want someone to react when you play them a great new song."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 17:39 (one month ago) link

I misread the thread title as "Defund Phil Collins" and I thought really?! I'm out.

henry s, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 17:40 (one month ago) link

He was, er, reacting to this, btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XH5gXRnR2E

Man, Delp's vocals. I can't tell if Mercury in "Under Pressure" tops this in the arena rock vocalist reaching for the heavens category.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 17:46 (one month ago) link

not sure about this, the prose is also annoying

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/magazine/the-racial-anxiety-lurking-behind-reaction-videos.html

global tetrahedron, Friday, 28 August 2020 15:47 (one month ago) link

We were just talking last night about how we Gen X'ers just don't get why people watch Twitch.

I think reaction videos fall into the same category. Maybe you need to have grown up with social media to be truly entertained by other people being entertained?

― enochroot

That doesn’t explain tv in japan where every show there has audience reactions.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 28 August 2020 16:03 (one month ago) link

I guess it’s like canned laughs. It heightens the “reaction” you should be feeling as an audience.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 28 August 2020 16:04 (one month ago) link

There’s no denying the Williams brothers’ charm, or the allure of Collins’s song. But is it a stretch to focus on the racial anxiety lurking behind reaction videos?

we can learn so much

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 28 August 2020 16:05 (one month ago) link

Well, I have noticed that for whatever reason a lot of the reaction videos are from black listeners. But I have no idea if that's just what's being served to me.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 August 2020 16:09 (one month ago) link

There’s no denying the Williams brothers’ charm, or the allure of Collins’s song. But is it a stretch to focus on the racial anxiety lurking behind reaction videos?

He writes this in the penultimate paragraph, but doesn't actually "focus" on it (if he believes it's not, in fact, a "stretch"). This is the kind of piece that gestures towards a possible point without actually making it.

“Pizza House!” (morrisp), Friday, 28 August 2020 16:21 (one month ago) link

that's called "clickbait"

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 28 August 2020 16:48 (one month ago) link

I thought it did, and it reminded me of white people on Twitter posting bug-eyed gifs of Black people for the sake of a dumb point.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 August 2020 16:49 (one month ago) link

i.e. I thought the piece worked. Then again, I know him well so I may have a bias.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 August 2020 16:49 (one month ago) link

i always get JR and JBR confused

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 28 August 2020 16:50 (one month ago) link

We were just talking last night about how we Gen X'ers just don't get why people watch Twitch.

Just picking this up since Moka quoted it, but people watching Twitch is just about the only fully comprehensible part of modern weirdness for this Generation X'er. A big part of the 80s for me was standing round in the arcade waiting my turn/watching other people's turns. One of the first things I remember doing when YouTube came along was looking at videos of 80s videogames I could never complete being completed. So this stuff seems totally natural.

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 19:24 (three weeks ago) link

this video rules

At some point in the 80s, I stumbled across Chester Thompson. He was backing Frank Zappa at the time but he was so good he wound up getting tapped to tour with Phil Collins' drumming-centric solo tours. https://t.co/IA0q2uukJ2

— Timothy Hensley (@geistweg) September 1, 2020

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 19:33 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah Thompson was/is a fine musician in his own right, as well as a very skilled interpreter of Collins's drumming. I understand that he didn't audition - Collins just called him up and asked, and he had that gig (Genesis/Collins) for like 30 years. There are a lot of really good drummers who wouldn't have fit as well in the role. Bill Bruford is good, but too different in style.

Anyway, map, I've watched that clip several times before and it's very satisfying. A couple things stand out.

At the beginning, Chester is playing that tuned-percussion ostinato live, with a real instrument, whereas it was most assuredly programmed on the record. I guess it makes sense that a band of that size, in a live setting, might not want to be chained to a sequencer. A human performer can adjust. It's cool, but almost sad when he stops playing it. (Could no one else on that stage have played it?)

The main floor-tom-based line is Very Phil; Chester is so focused on bringing it across with power. Mad respect, but there is also a longer, more sneaky fill (phill?) that starts on the higher toms and crosses the bar line - it's the one that ends on the china cymbal. The recording has it like twice; Thompson pulls it out rather more often - but with such assurance that the overall pulse never wavers.

And - BONUS SKLAR!

tater totalitarian (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 20:33 (three weeks ago) link

The Sklar the merrier.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 21:33 (three weeks ago) link

There are few drummers quite as melodic as Phil Collins.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 21:36 (three weeks ago) link

"Feed The World (Do The Know Its Christmas?)" is on a whole nother indefensible level but... I always liked Collins' drum track. There's a clip of him recording the final segue out of the bridge into the final chorus/outro:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeZnZfxGKvg

Always loved the sound of those big bottomless Gretsch toms.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 21:47 (three weeks ago) link

He used to be a Premier guy (same concert tom configuration and everything)...not sure why he switched to Gretsch.

He has such a great sound and approach, but watching him sit with his shoulders slumped, arrrg, Phil, sit up straight! Otherwise, you’ll have major back problems in the ‘00s!

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 22:04 (three weeks ago) link

That "Do They Know It's Christmas" song was apparently a first take from Phil!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 22:57 (three weeks ago) link

I think it was because of ilx - maybe this thread, I dunno - that I bought (and even freaking READ) his cutesy-poo autobiography.

And I'm not even mad.

Dude is, probably, corny and choochy as fuck. But in his prime(s) he certainly brought something. That "something" will always be bracketed by "if you like this sort of thing, this is the sort of thing you will like."

He has been supremely lucky, but to deny that he was gifted is churlish in the extreme.

tater totalitarian (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 3 September 2020 00:42 (three weeks ago) link

I put his 80s ubiquity - and the reason why people got sick of sight of him - is that he just never said “no” to anyone. And was generally an affable guy who got on well with pretty much everyone inside the industry

(Granted, the Genesis and solo stuff is on him, for better or worse)

Master of Treacle, Thursday, 3 September 2020 00:53 (three weeks ago) link

xpost I mean, you sort of hit on it inadvertently.

But in his prime(s) he certainly brought something.
That downplays so much! In his prime he: played with Genesis, sang with Genesis, had a solo career, played drums with Robert Plant and Eric Clapton, played all those benefits (Prince's Trust, Live Aid, Do They Know It's Christmas), played with Brian Eno, played with and produced John Martyn, played with Brand X, won an Oscar, acted in Miami Vice and stuff, had all those one-off hits with Frida, Philip Bailey, etc., sold hundreds of millions of records, revolutionized the sound and recording of drums in all modern music. Yeah, in his prime he brought something, but other than that ...

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 September 2020 00:58 (three weeks ago) link

And what was it someone observed/noted about Genesis? How each album sold more than the one that came before it? That's a pretty impressive feat.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 September 2020 00:59 (three weeks ago) link

Sorry to have put it that way, Josh. I shouldn't have taken the diminishing tone - I totally stan for phil as an artist and musician.

tater totalitarian (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 3 September 2020 01:02 (three weeks ago) link

That downplays so much! In his prime he: played with Genesis, sang with Genesis, had a solo career,


Soon after Keith Moon died, Phil called Pete Townshend and said, “hey...so...if you guys need a drummer...” Pete was intrigued by the idea of Phil joining the Who, but couldn’t imagine how or if Phil could juggle Who tours and albums along with Genesis and his other gigs.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 3 September 2020 01:24 (three weeks ago) link

Imagine how insane his resume would have looked if in addition to all of the above he also joined the Who and Zeppelin. Though I guess he did sort of do the latter.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 September 2020 02:55 (three weeks ago) link

I think he mentions in his memoir that Eric Clapton really had no idea who he was or that he was already a successful musician when he hired him, just that he was a good drummer and neighbor.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 September 2020 02:56 (three weeks ago) link

this is pretty intense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYV6KZpnEak

corrs unplugged, Monday, 14 September 2020 11:30 (two weeks ago) link


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