Defend Phil Collins

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Go on, I dare ya

Fugs, Monday, 6 October 2003 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Great drummer in early Genesis....critically underrated 80s pop singer...Sussudio and In The Air Tonight are classics...In The Air Tonight is prob. one of my favorite songs of the decade for its Miami Vice, minimal spooky throb and accusatory Phil vox....also really like Turn It On Again by later Genesis.

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 6 October 2003 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Didn't he vote Tory, kiss the Queen's bum, do the patronising World of Confusion video, star in "Buster", make an arse out of himself on "Brass Eye" and sing "Dance into the Light", possibly the worst song ever?

Fugs, Monday, 6 October 2003 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

You said defend him, so I did....I'm just saying he's such a cliche "horrible artist" for people to bring up....He's really pretty harmless at worst, and is actually a tremendous musician as a drummer....I've never heard Dance Into the Light, but I doubt it's the worst song ever....

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 6 October 2003 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

He used to be, and most probbly still is, a very good drummer.

(arh, xx-pst)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 6 October 2003 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I probably still think several tracks on 'Hello, I Must Be Going' are good (my sister used to have it). Sussudio and most of the other stuff I've heard from 'No Jacket Required' is a bit rubbish.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 6 October 2003 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

tWt = OTM. search: genesis, eno, fripp, john cale, pshhh even the band aid drumtrack is pretty kicking.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 6 October 2003 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

patrick bateman to thread.

He played drums for Eno.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Monday, 6 October 2003 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

his music's not any worse than Sting or Peter Gabriel, but he's partly reviled by the prog-ites for choosing R&B and Pop over, say Jazz or 4th World or whatever. & if he gets up enough music-snobs' noses, there's probably some good to him!
+ ABACAB on = prog gone new-Pop?

politics-wise I've heard things, but since I don't check him - haven't investigated further (on the other hand, if I lived in the UK...).

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 00:29 (nineteen years ago) link

this Trick Of The Tale fan hated Duke at the time though (and never went back). same reaction to Yes - Drama (though "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" sounded fabulous on a dancefloor this past weekend!).

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"I don't care any mow-ooh-woh."

calstars (calstars), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 00:57 (nineteen years ago) link

his band Flaming Youth was fucked up, dude. like, totally fucked. it was like the end of the world and flaming youth tried to explain it all. you know?

scott seward, Tuesday, 7 October 2003 02:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Red Rain captured the Miami Vice vibe better.

Catherine (Catherine), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 03:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Not only did he play drums for Eno, he played drums on "No One Receiving," which has the best drumming of any Eno song...

Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 03:47 (nineteen years ago) link

"take me home" = underrated great song

Little Big Macher (llamasfur), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 04:37 (nineteen years ago) link

"no reply at all" is hotttt

Annouschka Magnatech (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 05:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I bought Abacab in the dollar bin and am glad I did. Love the title song, and Keep it Dark. Actually I've never played the whole thing. Good drummer. Good vocalist too I guess, if (for a while) overexposed.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 06:34 (nineteen years ago) link

loads of good songs

anyone remember marcello's freejazz story?

prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:00 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~tewing/2003_08_10_singlesa.html#106088432297396329

I was too nice to the Postal Service though.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Sussudio is atrocious! The place where I had dinner last night played a whole Phil Collins album (couldn't make one which one) and I realised his music has got to be some of the most unintentionally depressing stuff out there.. The voice, the singing, the production, the attempted-funkiness, all make me think of how lonely and empty this world can be..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Or, how humane and filled with love.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"Defend Phil Collins"

Ol' Dirty Bastard and lots of other rap and RnB stars to thread.

Also, Geir needs to be here.

Nick H, Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:58 (nineteen years ago) link

RFI: Is there really such a thing as the 'Hip Hop Tribute Album to PC'?

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 08:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, he was a member of the best band ever during the 70s, he even sung for them on a couple of their best albums. :-)

Other than that, I still think his first three solo albums have gotten a bit too much criticism. Sure, they aren't quite in the league of Peter Gabriel's solo work (much less in the league of Genesis at their best), but there are lots of great tracks there too. From "But Seriously" onward it was downhill though, and "Dance Into The Light" is probably one of the worst albums ever.

Also, Phil Collins is a magnificent drummer. Maybe his best moment as a drummer is "Intruder" - the opening track on Peter Gabriel's third album.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 08:13 (nineteen years ago) link

There is indeed a hip-hop tribute to Phil Collins. A friend suggested that the hip-hop community respected the "gangsta" way he dealt with his wife's affair with his decorator (ie, an ultra-spiteful appearance on TOTP with a tin of paint on the piano).

'Mama''s quite a good song.

He was a big fan of The Action as a youth.

No, that's it. I've run out of good words to say for him.

Martin Horsfield, Tuesday, 7 October 2003 08:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I fail to see the "gangsta" element of that..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 08:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, old 'onest Phil ain't specifica-ridiculously ashamed of his nice shiny cranium, it seems.
(Which seems to be more of a good than a bad thing, eh? :)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 11:54 (nineteen years ago) link

The man does seem relatively articulate in funny in interviews. Also, he often admits how derivative and soulless is music is.
*Over and Out*

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:21 (nineteen years ago) link

On the subject of Suseudio .. my darkly humoured friend had this running joke in which he would know he'd thrown his life away if ever the day came that he found himself smoking crack naked on the bedroom floor listening to Suseudio of all things. 'Could I sink any lower'? I suppose he thought it was the most spiritless song in the history of sound.

mick hall (mick hall), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Back in the old days, Letterman went on and on making fun of Sussudio, even when Collins played it on the show. There was a classic sketch where they went to a fans house and Letterman sat on this teenage girls bed holding up her copy of that Phil Collins album with his orange dome on the cover saying something like "look kids, its Phil Collins, mmmn Sussudio."

I like "Against All Odds", no matter how schmaltzy it may be, although it may be because I had a thing for Rachel Ward when I was a teenager.

earlnash, Tuesday, 7 October 2003 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

His position in pop culture is solidly entrenched, by virtue of American Psycho, and the whole urban legend surrounding "In the Air Tonight." Is that a defense? Not really.

He is a decent actor, and probably one of the top hundred-thousand drummers in the world.

Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

What's the urban legend surround 'IAT'?

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

What's the urban legend surrounding 'IAT'?

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

The version I heard was that Phil had witnessed a murder and the song was directed at the murderer...However, in "Stan" Eminem says something about the song in reference to how Phil couldn't save someone from drowning, so I guess Em heard a different version of the myth....

I think that the fact the song has actually spawned an urban legend speaks to how powerful it is....

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"Take Me Home" - yes, a pretty spiffy song.
"In The Air Tonight" - classic, no matter how you slice it.
"Mama" spooky fun.

Don't know much else about his music and frankly don't care.

Sure, he's a good drummer, but I recall hating him for his skin-work on the re-made version of Howard Jones' 'No One Is To Blame' - the original was far better.

He is indeed pretty funny in interviews. Very self-affacting. I think he'd be an OK guy to have a pint with. Although the conversation with Peter Gabriel would be far more interesting. Sting can blow himself. (sorry - did an interview with Sting recently and I'm struggling BADLY to finish the article)

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry - should be 'self-effacing'...

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i like his lurking presence in that bone thugz n harmony video, he's cool... not trying to be "down" or anything, just kind of bewildered and amiable.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

The urban legend, explained:

http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/someair.htm

Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

salmon, thanx for the line...

Fritz, I didn't know he was in a Bone Thugs video?? Which one??

Also, imagine the possibilities that appearance brings up in a game of "Six Degrees of Phil Collins"....it probably means you could connect say, Mase and Marianne Faithful in less than 4 degrees....like Bone Thugs worked with collins, they worked with Biggie on Notorious Thugs, Biggie worked with Mase, then Phil subbed for drums with Zeppelin at Live Aid (I think) and probably John Paul Jones did some arranging for Marianne I bet back in the mid-60s....(I'm not sure about all these facts, just speculating, but the possibilites like this are endless.)...

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

"Invisible Touch" is an outstanding song. I am shocked and beguiled by the unhuman hatred for "Dance into the Light." I adore that song and the Gondry directed video for it. I was going to start a thread about that specific song because I assumed it was merely forgotten. "We have each other, we have-a one voice."

theodore fogelsanger, Tuesday, 7 October 2003 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

The place where I had dinner last night played a whole Phil Collins album (couldn't make one which one) and I realised his music has got to be some of the most unintentionally depressing stuff out there.. The voice, the singing, the production, the attempted-funkiness, all make me think of how lonely and empty this world can be..

Isn't this what we praise Joy Division for?

Mike Taylor (mjt), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 00:05 (nineteen years ago) link

He has a song on Into the Light called 'Love Police.' Nuff Said.

calstars (calstars), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 01:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Also don't forget other vapid hits 'Another Day in Paradise' and 'I Wish it Would Rain Down.'

calstars (calstars), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link

the word 'unintentionally' is the key distinction

Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link

(sorry that was for Mike T)

Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"I Know There's Something Going On" by Frida is surely justification enough for Phil Collins' career, right? I've only heard two of the fella's actual songs (In the Air Tonight and Take me Home) and they seemed pretty alright too. I don't really see why he's so awful, but I never heard Genesis and am not really familiar with a lot of the cultural baggage that I'm sure could make him seem a lot more unappealing...

Adrian (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

plus my friend criticized the production on READY TO DIE as sounding "like something Phil Collins would've done in the 80s", which just made me like him even more

Adrian (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 06:24 (nineteen years ago) link

yep 'unintentionally' is the key word here, kind of like the cheery and super-colourful cafeteria in a third-league amusement park in the vicinity of Hicksville

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 06:25 (nineteen years ago) link

He's the sort of guy who if interviewed on TV would always be interviewed in his home studio, as if he spends all his time there and the TV crew have just popped round and caught him working on his latest masterpiece.

Nick H, Wednesday, 8 October 2003 08:05 (nineteen years ago) link

< mutter > Brank X weren't too bad I s'pose < /reluctant >

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 10:29 (nineteen years ago) link

She calls out to the man in the store
"Sir, can you help me?
My toilet's old and it's starting to leak
Is there something you can sell me?"

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 June 2022 13:49 (seven months ago) link

They seem to have an acetylene torch yeah

Nutellanor Roosevelt (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 18 June 2022 21:15 (seven months ago) link

Lol

calstars, Saturday, 18 June 2022 21:55 (seven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

I still hear the LP version of "In the Air Tonight" at least on a weekly basis, on a whole range of stations, but yesterday was the first time I've *ever* noticed that what is I guess the single version, or maybe the video version, has extra drums throughout!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxV4KipHXFE

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 9 July 2022 18:58 (six months ago) link

Very cool. Sounds like maybe some extra guitar and backing vox on the 2nd verse / chorus too

The “….well I REMEMBA” part gets me every time.

calstars, Saturday, 9 July 2022 19:46 (six months ago) link

As I move further into my 40s I definitely find myself mumbling “I don’t care anymore” pretty frequently

Heez, Saturday, 9 July 2022 19:50 (six months ago) link

Try yelling it.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 9 July 2022 19:58 (six months ago) link

According to the internet - the internet! - the single mix has extra drums because Ahmet Ertegun thought people would get bored waiting for the drums to come in. So he said to Phil Collins "add more drums" and Phil Collins said "yes" and Ahmet Ertegun said "that sounds good" and Phil Collins said "yes" and then the aeroplane crashed into the sea and it was a shark and I used the teeth to make six crowns.

I grew up with the single version so I find the album version unusual. The drum machine was a Roland CR-78, which was all over John Foxx's Metamatic. The pattern is at about 04:50 (it had preset patterns, but there was scope for variation):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2-KTcMycoE

Collins strikes me as a man who would be held in higher regard if he had never said anything ever. If he had just shut up at some point in the late 1970s and never said anything. He'd still be held in low regard because of "Groovy Kind of Love" and Live Aid and Buster, but not as low.

Ashley Pomeroy, Saturday, 9 July 2022 20:10 (six months ago) link

six months pass...

What’s up with these covers with Phil looking older ? Am I listening to the original albums? E.g.

https://i.imgur.com/INUQNmv.png

calstars, Monday, 23 January 2023 03:15 (one week ago) link

this was after Nicky Santoro put his head in a vice

fentanyl young (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 January 2023 03:19 (one week ago) link

When they were reissued a coupla years back he reshot all the sleeves as he is now. It's literally an inexplicable move.

his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Monday, 23 January 2023 08:58 (one week ago) link

kinda rocks imo

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 23 January 2023 10:35 (one week ago) link

As a concept, definitely. The images themselves always stop me in my tracks though.

Hilarious if other artists picked up the baton. Not sure Sly could pull off the Fresh leap now tbh...

his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Monday, 23 January 2023 11:41 (one week ago) link

So he didn’t re-record the songs on the albums? Just updated the covers?

calstars, Monday, 23 January 2023 12:40 (one week ago) link

just take a look at me now

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Monday, 23 January 2023 12:43 (one week ago) link

He didn't rerecord them. They include bonus tracks but they're all demos and live tracks from those eras, iirc.

his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Monday, 23 January 2023 12:47 (one week ago) link

He's a monster but not that sort of monster.

his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Monday, 23 January 2023 12:47 (one week ago) link

Hilarious if other artists picked up the baton.

You mean like maybe Fleetwood Mac recreating elements of the Rumours cover for The Dance?

The Myth of Sisyspacek (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 23 January 2023 13:10 (one week ago) link

My other half worked on those reissues, and people definitely were scratching their heads at his idea of redoing the cover photos.

MaresNest, Monday, 23 January 2023 13:37 (one week ago) link

No Botox Required

The Myth of Sisyspacek (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 23 January 2023 13:48 (one week ago) link

...But Senescently

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Hell, why not:

AARPbacab

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You'll Be in My Pacemaker

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Hello? I Must Be Going Deaf

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Nursing Home by the Sea

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Old Man On The Corner

Grandmama

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Nursing Home By The Sea

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I Don't Pee Anymore

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Aged, Full Of Warts (Take A Look At Me Now)

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I Pissed Again

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I Know What I Like (Prunes and an Early Bedtime)

is it milli vanilli or just a facsimile (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 23 January 2023 21:03 (one week ago) link

ahem

Nursing Home by the Sea

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Old Man On The Corner

― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, January 23, 2023 2:53 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Grandmama

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Nursing Home By The Sea

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Second Nursing Home By The Sea

Reverse Mortgaging England by the Pound

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oh damn lmao xp

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Blames Everything On Illegal Aliens

lol

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Billy, Don't Lose Dignitas' Number

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Jesus, I Knew Him

Duke's Retirement

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Man of Old Times

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You Can't Hurry

A Gravely Kind Of Laugh

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Dawdle into the Light

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hee hee

calstars, Monday, 23 January 2023 22:56 (one week ago) link

Turn It (My Pacemaker) On Again

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Second Nursing Home By The Sea

― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain)


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You're No Son of Mine (Dementia Remix)

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He seems to have that visible gut, yeah

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Something Happened on the Way to the Buffet

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