Defend Phil Collins

(arh, xx-pst)

He played drums for Eno.

politics-wise I've heard things, but since I don't check him - haven't investigated further (on the other hand, if I lived in the UK...).

anyone remember marcello's freejazz story?

I was too nice to the Postal Service though.

Ol' Dirty Bastard and lots of other rap and RnB stars to thread.

Also, Geir needs to be here.

Other than that, I still think his first three solo albums have gotten a bit too much criticism. Sure, they aren't quite in the league of Peter Gabriel's solo work (much less in the league of Genesis at their best), but there are lots of great tracks there too. From "But Seriously" onward it was downhill though, and "Dance Into The Light" is probably one of the worst albums ever.

Also, Phil Collins is a magnificent drummer. Maybe his best moment as a drummer is "Intruder" - the opening track on Peter Gabriel's third album.

'Mama''s quite a good song.

He was a big fan of The Action as a youth.

No, that's it. I've run out of good words to say for him.

I like "Against All Odds", no matter how schmaltzy it may be, although it may be because I had a thing for Rachel Ward when I was a teenager.

He is a decent actor, and probably one of the top hundred-thousand drummers in the world.

I think that the fact the song has actually spawned an urban legend speaks to how powerful it is....

Don't know much else about his music and frankly don't care.

Sure, he's a good drummer, but I recall hating him for his skin-work on the re-made version of Howard Jones' 'No One Is To Blame' - the original was far better.

He is indeed pretty funny in interviews. Very self-affacting. I think he'd be an OK guy to have a pint with. Although the conversation with Peter Gabriel would be far more interesting. Sting can blow himself. (sorry - did an interview with Sting recently and I'm struggling BADLY to finish the article)

http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/someair.htm

Fritz, I didn't know he was in a Bone Thugs video?? Which one??

Also, imagine the possibilities that appearance brings up in a game of "Six Degrees of Phil Collins"....it probably means you could connect say, Mase and Marianne Faithful in less than 4 degrees....like Bone Thugs worked with collins, they worked with Biggie on Notorious Thugs, Biggie worked with Mase, then Phil subbed for drums with Zeppelin at Live Aid (I think) and probably John Paul Jones did some arranging for Marianne I bet back in the mid-60s....(I'm not sure about all these facts, just speculating, but the possibilites like this are endless.)...

Isn't this what we praise Joy Division for?

She calls out to the man in the store
"Sir, can you help me?
My toilet's old and it's starting to leak
Is there something you can sell me?"

They seem to have an acetylene torch yeah

Lol

I still hear the LP version of "In the Air Tonight" at least on a weekly basis, on a whole range of stations, but yesterday was the first time I've *ever* noticed that what is I guess the single version, or maybe the video version, has extra drums throughout!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxV4KipHXFE

Very cool. Sounds like maybe some extra guitar and backing vox on the 2nd verse / chorus too

The “….well I REMEMBA” part gets me every time.

As I move further into my 40s I definitely find myself mumbling “I don’t care anymore” pretty frequently

Try yelling it.

According to the internet - the internet! - the single mix has extra drums because Ahmet Ertegun thought people would get bored waiting for the drums to come in. So he said to Phil Collins "add more drums" and Phil Collins said "yes" and Ahmet Ertegun said "that sounds good" and Phil Collins said "yes" and then the aeroplane crashed into the sea and it was a shark and I used the teeth to make six crowns.

I grew up with the single version so I find the album version unusual. The drum machine was a Roland CR-78, which was all over John Foxx's Metamatic. The pattern is at about 04:50 (it had preset patterns, but there was scope for variation):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2-KTcMycoE

Collins strikes me as a man who would be held in higher regard if he had never said anything ever. If he had just shut up at some point in the late 1970s and never said anything. He'd still be held in low regard because of "Groovy Kind of Love" and Live Aid and Buster, but not as low.

What’s up with these covers with Phil looking older ? Am I listening to the original albums? E.g.

https://i.imgur.com/INUQNmv.png

this was after Nicky Santoro put his head in a vice

When they were reissued a coupla years back he reshot all the sleeves as he is now. It's literally an inexplicable move.

kinda rocks imo

As a concept, definitely. The images themselves always stop me in my tracks though.

Hilarious if other artists picked up the baton. Not sure Sly could pull off the Fresh leap now tbh...

So he didn’t re-record the songs on the albums? Just updated the covers?

just take a look at me now

He didn't rerecord them. They include bonus tracks but they're all demos and live tracks from those eras, iirc.

He's a monster but not that sort of monster.

Hilarious if other artists picked up the baton.

You mean like maybe Fleetwood Mac recreating elements of the Rumours cover for The Dance?

My other half worked on those reissues, and people definitely were scratching their heads at his idea of redoing the cover photos.

No Botox Required

...But Senescently

Hell, why not:

AARPbacab

Geriatric Hits... Live!

You'll Be in My Pacemaker

Hello? I Must Be Going Deaf

Nursing Home by the Sea

Old Man On The Corner

Grandmama

Nursing Home By The Sea

I Don't Pee Anymore

Aged, Full Of Warts (Take A Look At Me Now)

I Pissed Again

I Know What I Like (Prunes and an Early Bedtime)

ahem

Nursing Home by the Sea

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Old Man On The Corner

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Grandmama

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Nursing Home By The Sea

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Second Nursing Home By The Sea

Reverse Mortgaging England by the Pound

oh damn lmao xp

Blames Everything On Illegal Aliens

lol

Billy, Don't Lose Dignitas' Number

Jesus, I Knew Him

Duke's Retirement

Man of Old Times

You Can't Hurry

A Gravely Kind Of Laugh

Dawdle into the Light

hee hee

Turn It (My Pacemaker) On Again

Second Nursing Home By The Sea

― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain)

You're No Son of Mine (Dementia Remix)

He seems to have that visible gut, yeah

Something Happened on the Way to the Buffet