10CC : they really *were* that good weren't they ?

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but which is the best introduction after the greatest hits/best ofs ?

i heard and adored the first compilation
(that one with the comic strip cover)
aged about 6 (i was reading james and the giant peach at the time)
but despite loving their singles ever since,
i never bothered checking the peak period albums.
which is best ? 'sheet music' is meant to be the classic.
lyric-wise sometimes the clever-cloggery gets to be too much and you want them to stick with the proper pop stuff like 'things we do for love', but the *tunes* man !
some of those were better than the fabs.

weren't they the only band to use every
possible 2-man combination of a four-man writing team ?

they were mancs too !

piscesboy, Monday, 6 October 2003 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Sheet Music def. catches the group at the peak of its postmodern pastiche powers. But I actually find the mid-period stuff a little more consistently listenable -- The Original Soundtrack has some wonderful moments, but How Dare You is the real gem in their catalog. "Lazy Ways," "I'm Mandy Fly Me" and "Don't Hang Up" are really the perfect fusion of their early clever-cleverness (a la "Donna") w/ the pillowy smoothness of "I'm Not In Love." Brilliant.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 6 October 2003 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

they were great and their extra-great stuff is pert near forgotten. the first 2 albums are things of beauty. they get a little sketchy later on but i would pick up any of their albums if you see them cheap. and all their albums can be found cheap. the production on the early stuff never fails to astound me!!!!!!!!

scott seward, Monday, 6 October 2003 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I find Dreadlock Holiday and The Things We Do For Love really bad but like I'm Not In Love (except for the 'big boys don't cry' bit?).

Is there any future for me as a 10 CC fan?

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 6 October 2003 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

There could be, N.
Just work your way backwards from that bloody 'Bloody Tourists' alb (that "Dreadlock Holiday" is from).

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 6 October 2003 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link

"i'm mandy, fly me" is one of the greatest airline company ads ever (although while Dinah Shore had "Oxygen Part IV" for her US syndicated talk show, there was still a special French deal for UTA, one of the first bits of music i'd ever heard sold to both the US and the EU).

i'm fond of Peter Cook too, sneezing at Malcolm McClaren's presumed sub-goon Biggsey role for him in " .. Swindle" and instead going with i suppose his musical Peter Sellers attempt (which wasn't as good as Sellers admittedly, but at least it had nothing to do with Dudley)
(ok, and especially since he saved us from Goldenballs)

george gosset (gegoss), Monday, 6 October 2003 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm a bigger fan of seeing them as two good songwriting partnerships, whether in 10cc or later.

"I'm So Laid Back I'm Laid Out" only recently got thrown in as a bonus track on the album Gouldman etc. made after the split. I guess that album is more slapstick. Well thanks, after all that. The following duo/10cc Bloody Tourtist is just as much "humour" i suppose (f'in English music hall tradition ?).

Ok, How Dare You has it's moments (mostly on side one, and mostly Gouldman songs), but i do like the group effort of "The Second Holding of the Last Supper" off .. Bends

The first two single lps off Godley/Creme are been nicely collected on a recent one way/cd re-issue, and they'd be my favourites, with all that extreme pre-digital studio experimentation, without the excesses of the Cook folly.

george gosset (gegoss), Monday, 6 October 2003 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Though I don't know Bloody Tourists, I actually quite like "Dreadlock Holiday" -- never understood the argument that it was somehow "racist" or anything (an argument someone made on this board a ways back). Seems more a clever parody of the Ugly American than anything else...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 6 October 2003 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

(...but i do like the group effort of "The Second Holding of the Last Supper" off .. Bends

So do I. But its actual title sounds/looks a tad batter, even - "The Second Sitting for the Last Supper" :) \nit-pick-fact-check mode off\ :)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 6 October 2003 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

The trilogy "Sheet Music"/"Original Soundtrack"/"How Dare You" are all brilliant and must buys. The rest are a lot more patchy, while some of the 80s ones are downright awful.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 6 October 2003 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Didn't 10cc own Strawberry Studios as well, which was where the mighty Joy Division recorded some of their best stuff?

Damian (Damian), Monday, 6 October 2003 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

the first one is kind of a pastiche record: they do a teen death song, a prison riot song etc. its great, but its a bit like a comedy record.
by sheet music, although still smartarse and referential, they've ditched this approach. this is my favourite of their records, although i listened again recently and found its smugness left me a bit queasy.

i also quite like neanderthal man from when they were called hotlegs.

gaz (gaz), Monday, 6 October 2003 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

So do I. But its actual title sounds/looks a tad batter, even - "The Second Sitting for the Last Supper" :) \nit-pick-fact-check mode off\ :)
If you want to be really nitpcky, the track's actually off "The Original Soundtrack"!!!!!!

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 11:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Much obliged, Old Fart!!!
*bows* *out*

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 11:48 (eighteen years ago) link

i second Sheet Music as a good place to start, but Geir is OTM upthread (cor, never thought I'd say that)

btw, Castle Music (part of Sanctuary group now) recently released a compilation of the Gouldman-Stewart-Godley-Creme "hit factory" period called "Strawberry Bubblegum: A Collection of pre-10cc Strawberry Studios Recordings 1969-1972". It looks ace!

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Well of course Geir is right! Yes, Sheet Music/OST/How Dare You are their essential records, personal fave being OST. You should also get "100cc" their UK-era hits-&-b-sides compilation, if only for the magical "Gizmo My Way".

Strawberry Bubblegum is a great idea in theory (it's something I've been going on about for years), but the final product is somehow unsatisfying. What we really need is a compilation of Graham Gouldman's beat-era recordings/compositions.

harveyw (harveyw), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 07:00 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
I'm interested to see, actually, what people's thoughts were concerning Godley & Creme's "Consequences"... how does it stand up? I'm intrigued by its mention in the new Uncut [within IIRC the Blegvad/Partridge album review], c.f. Peter Cook's involvement, and a curious one-star slating on the AMG...

Must say I'm a big fan of humorous 10cc stuff like "Donna", "The Wall Street Shuffle" and "The Dean and I", as well as the *staggeringly sublime* "I'm Not In love", of course. "Lazy Ways" is certainly another real favourite.

Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I am a huge fan of almost whatever Godley & Creme have come up with. I have to say, though, that "Consequences" is one of those albums where the ambitions may have been great, the idea may have been good, but the way it ended up, well... Just didn't work out.

Settle for "Freeze-Frame" instead (although Soulseek may be the only possible place to find Godley & Creme albums these days)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 01:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm interested to see, actually, what people's thoughts were concerning Godley & Creme's "Consequences"... how does it stand up?

Not very well, but I gotta credit them for getting a major label to release what is basically a technical demonstration album for the Gizmo.

Consequences is a spectacular example of the old tradition where the songwriter(s) of a band leaves and then hoodwinks their record label into funding a completely bizarre and self-indulgent album that's PR-ed as being genius, but is really just bulldada. Treat it as a Zappa album only with Peter Cook/Goon fixations instead of Zappa's barnyard humor. If you're going to start with Godley/Creme, I'd go with L first. I believe it got reissued with Freeze Frame together on one CD, but I'd go to slsk first just so you know what you're getting into.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 03:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I listened to Consequences in its entirety for the first time..possibly..ever.. a couple of weeks back as part of my A-Z project, and really didn't know what to make of it at all. I was quite a big fan of 10cc when the set came out, but even then it seemed like a massive conceit. And I hadn't even heard it! Now..it seems...well, the first side is fascinating from a technical standpoint, the rest simply doesn't hold together at all. The great thing about 10cc was that they had such a great pop sensibility (the Gouldman/Stewart beat-group background) but with intellectual pretensions (Godley & Creme's art school background). One without the other was always bound to fail.

harveyw (harveyw), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Who knew Harvey had a livejournal? It looks excellent!

(BTW: I was thinking about you the other day when I noticed that one of the few good things about 'The Dreamers' was the snatch of Polnareff that drifts onto the soundtrack halfway through. They were playing it in the lobby before the film too.)

(This is Stevie T speaking, btw)

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh! Hi Stevie! Where are you these days? Feel free to leave comments on my lj; that's what it's for...
Polnareff on the Dreamers soundtrack? Which tune? Maybe I'll go see it after all.

harveyw (harveyw), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:12 (seventeen years ago) link

It's 'Love Me, Please Love Me'. I don't know whether to recommend the film or not - it's quite a lot of fun for 45 minutes or so, but gets really obnoxious as it goes on. Actually you could do worse than leave straight after the Polnareff in the Cafe scene.

I will be reading the LJ with keen interest.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I loved nearly all the singles ("I'm Mandy, Fly Me" especially) but always thought that on the albums their clever-dickness tended to overflow a little.

LondonLee (LondonLee), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, and since no one else has I want to tip my hat to "Life Is a Minestrone"

LondonLee (LondonLee), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait, did the G&C records go back out of print again? Weren't they just reissued, like, a year or two ago?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:25 (seventeen years ago) link

They may have been. Never seen them here though.

Still waiting for the three 80s albums by 10cc to be re-released too, particularly "Ten Out Of Ten", which is IMO their best post-Godley/Creme album.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

although Soulseek may be the only possible place to find Godley & Creme albums these days

mmm, i do suspect there's at least one more place - a very BIG "place", just east of the estonian border - where godley/creme albums, among other things, mightn't be particularly hard to find :)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
what?

Ajamateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 03:34 (sixteen years ago) link

the first two are it, I think. I found an old copy of "How Dare" and I couldn't really stomach it. "Mandy" is nice but I mean what is that song about? Nothing that I can discern. "Not in Love" is a great single, "Life is a Minestrone" is all right. "Things We Do for Love" is a nice single, as is "Dreadlock Holiday." And I prefer the first one to "Sheet Music." Like "Worst Band in the World" a lot. And, search their bubblegum single under, what name is it?, "Let's Go to Sausalito" or whatever, that is nice.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 12:49 (sixteen years ago) link

10cc were the reason Steely Dan never really had much in the way of hits in Britain; they were our equivalent, but the Britishness doesn't really translate overseas I suppose.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 12:51 (sixteen years ago) link

"Mandy" is nice but I mean what is that song about? Nothing that I can discern.

"Mandy" was a continuation of the story started in "Clockwork Creep" on "Sheet Music".

I like their albums from "Sheet Music" to "How Dare You" the best. The debut contained a lot of great stuff, but there are a bit too many obvious novelties on the album for me to be able to take it fully seriously.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 16:58 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Just listening to Original Soundtrack for the first time. As a fan of the High Llamas, there's plenty for me to enjoy. There are some seriously cringeworthy moments, though.

And as for I'm not in love, how beautiful is that after years of not hearing it?

Daniel Giraffe (Daniel Giraffe), Thursday, 6 July 2006 11:54 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Amazed that nobody has mentioned "Rubber Bullets," probably my favorite song by them. Also amazed that nobody has mentioned Hotlegs, of "Neanderthal Man" fame, the band that evolved into 10cc; does anybody know whether Hotlegs ever made an album? I don't remember ever seeing one (and I know I could google, but I'm lazy.) (Also, what is the 10cc song that Rush seemed to have ripped off the opening of "Tom Sawyer" from? "The Worst Band in the World," maybe?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 31 July 2006 15:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Also amazed that nobody has mentioned Hotlegs, of "Neanderthal Man" fame

Great song, that, if only for the pretty amazing drum sound.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 July 2006 15:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Also great: Frank Kogan's parody of "Neanderthal Man," which I believe goes "I'm a lesbian man/You're a lesbian girl/Let's make lesbian love/In our lesbian world." Or something along those lines.

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 31 July 2006 15:30 (fifteen years ago) link

does anybody know whether Hotlegs ever made an album?

It was called Thinks: School Stinks. Alice Cooper may or may not have pinched an artwork idea from it.
http://www.planetmellotron.com/images/hotlegs-thinks.jpg

LC (Damian), Monday, 31 July 2006 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link

While it contained some of the brilliant musicianship that made them so great later on, I still feel that "Rubber Bullets" was still a bit too much of a novelty to rank among their best work. For me, anyway.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 31 July 2006 22:59 (fifteen years ago) link

six months pass...
10cc were the British Steely Dan. I say it is so, so it is so.

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 10 February 2007 12:25 (fourteen years ago) link

I dunno. I find them a lot less endearing than the Dan.

I Tried to Use My Cock as a Bong (noodle vague), Saturday, 10 February 2007 12:27 (fourteen years ago) link

four years on, stil haven't followed up on the original question.

pisces (piscesx), Saturday, 10 February 2007 13:44 (fourteen years ago) link

"Dreadlock Holiday" is uncomfortable, to say the least. But that might be partially cos of the time I was playing the triv machine in a working man's club where imminent violence was in the air (and it was only lunchtime) and some heavily drunk dude kept playing it on the jukebox over and over again.

I Tried to Use My Cock as a Bong (noodle vague), Saturday, 10 February 2007 13:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I find them better than Steely Dan (and I love Steely Dan too). Absolutely genius, although they dried out somewhat once Godley & Creme left.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 10 February 2007 15:16 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Reviving this thread to ask a question about "I'm Not In Love".

I read somewhere that the voices in the background on that single were all tape loops that were carefully put together to fit into the production.

Does anyone know more about this? Was this the case, or did they just use a mellotron.
And if they didn't use a mellotron, why wouldn't a mellotron have been sufficient to create the same kind of mood?

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 02:38 (fourteen years ago) link

yes they were all tape loops. perhaps they did it this way because they preferred the sound of voices to strings? you'd probably need to ask them. there's a sound on sound article about this track somewhere..

electricsound, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 02:44 (fourteen years ago) link

But mellotrons contained voices too.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link

here

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun05/articles/classictracks.htm

electricsound, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link

props to lol creme for his incredible name

electricsound, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 02:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Now, there's a lot of interesting facts. Thanks. :)

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 02:58 (fourteen years ago) link

W/o looking at that SoS article, basically they did "I'm Not In Love" this way:

They recorded 13 tracks of them singing every note of the octave (plus one) for the duration of the song, and "played" them by moving the faders on the mixer. Pretty great stuff, and it only left 3 tracks for the Rhodes, the bass drum sound (a synth, if memory serves) and the sumptuous Eric Stewart vocal...

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Im trying to revive my life so im distracted, but i’m stoked to listen when i get round.

But for now, endless sheet music is inspiring as hell.

Hunt3r, Friday, 20 September 2019 21:24 (two years ago) link

Thanks, this is an excellent set of podcasts with an great eye for production detail. It's very much been put together by fans of Consequences though, so they rate the quirkier side of 10CC higher than I would.

I also don't share the love for How Dare You?, with the obvious exception of the album's singles.

Portsmouth Bubblejet, Saturday, 21 September 2019 20:35 (two years ago) link

Didn't realise until I listened to the Consequences podcast that, after the recording of How Dare You!, Godley, Creme & Gouldman called a band meeting at which the group's manager informed Eric Stewart that the trio no longer wanted to work with him. Godley & Creme then decided to strike out on their own to record Consequences, at which point Gouldman had to go back to Stewart and ask to work with him again as 10CC. This is according to Eric Stewart's autobiography Things I Do For Love.

The incident helps to explain why Stewart and Gouldman started to drift apart so soon after the first couple of albums recorded by the rump 10CC. There couldn't have been much trust left on Stewart's side after that. Can't imagine too how Godley & Creme sat through the band meeting at which Stewart was ejected knowing that they were going to be working as a duo anyway on Consequences.

Portsmouth Bubblejet, Sunday, 22 September 2019 08:23 (two years ago) link

Help me out here (or maybe not )... I've always adored what were their big singles in the US : "I'm Not In Love" and "The Things We Do For Love" but listened to a Greates t Hits collection and found them overall too... jokey? Was this just their overall schtick or am I missing something?

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 22 September 2019 11:38 (two years ago) link

No, they were pretty jokey.

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 September 2019 12:20 (two years ago) link

Agreed. I haven't listened to 10CC's albums since I was in my early teens, and they now very much come across as a band whose humour you would appreciate more at that stage of one's life than in your later years. The Zappa influences seem stronger in retrospect, as do some of the dodgier aspects of 1970s British humour - clumsy foreign accents and stereotypes on 'Hotel' and 'Oh Effendi', for example, and a nasty Yewtree vibe on 'Iceberg' (whose lyrics, according to the podcast, Godley wanted to be even more stalkerish and scatological).

10CC had the same combination of 1950s references and art school pretensions as Roxy Music, but Roxy would never have written a closing song to an album such as 'The Film of my Love', which sounds like an over-extended outro to a Monty Python film, while 10CC could never have written a song such as 'In Every Dream Home a Heartache' without inserting at least one mildly humorous middle eight that pastiches an entirely different musical genre to deflate the mood.

Portsmouth Bubblejet, Sunday, 22 September 2019 12:33 (two years ago) link

Is the Godley & Creme stuff just as jokey - I only know "Cry" - or is the goofiness absent?

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 22 September 2019 12:43 (two years ago) link

I associate the jokiness and slightly sneery humour more with Godley and Creme than Gouldman and Stewart tbh.

clumsy foreign accents and stereotypes on 'Hotel' and 'Oh Effendi'

... "Une Nuit a Paris", "Dreadlock Holiday".

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 September 2019 12:45 (two years ago) link

Godley & Creme were almost 100% responsible for the group's goofiness, and their post-10CC albums as a duo are full of it.

Having quit 10CC in part because they had grown tired of Stewart's more saccharine songs such as 'The Things we do for Love', Godley and Creme are ironically most remembered for songs such as 'Cry', which you could imagine them having rejected if Gouldman & Stewart had written it in 10CC. Probably the best track on their Consequences triple album is also the most straightforward ballad 'Five o'clock in the morning'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-3z2FdJXSo

Portsmouth Bubblejet, Sunday, 22 September 2019 12:54 (two years ago) link

Thank you kindly!

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 22 September 2019 13:15 (two years ago) link

xhuxk and Stormy's favorite 10CC song and probably mine as well, is a jokey rewrite of "Jailhouse Rock" that Nick Lowe might have been proud to have written:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dTnvhGHDGA

Our Borad Could Be Your Trife (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 September 2019 13:25 (two years ago) link

ha my 15 y/o loves loves what he understands as rockabilly and jump blues and 50s stuff generally, and also he loves rubber bullets, so i asked “you get that’s a sendup mostly of jailhouse rock, right?” and i was glad he said- “of course it’s obv,” so there’s that. aaaand then he goes back to extolling fats domino, dion, and brian setzer but also as tho they were all contemporaries. which is probly no less accurate than my 50 y/o history of rock so whatever.

Hunt3r, Sunday, 22 September 2019 21:17 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhjl6kibE_s

The Goodies font (Maresn3st), Thursday, 11 February 2021 15:35 (eight months ago) link

Been listening to the first two albums a lot recently.

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 February 2021 15:37 (eight months ago) link

(xp) That's one of the geekiest things you're ever likely to see. It's great how they don't remember recording it at all!

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 February 2021 16:29 (eight months ago) link

quite telling that Graham and Kev cooperate, and that Eric and Lol don't; Eric particularly loathes Graham for continuing the 10cc brand… it is exciting to hear the track broken down…

veronica moser, Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:49 (eight months ago) link

Kevin's got a solo album to promote and Graham Gouldman just seems like a really nice guy.

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:52 (eight months ago) link

Don't want to tell you how far I was into the video before I realized that "The Great Stockport Bake-off" is not the title of a previously unreleased 10CC song.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 11 February 2021 21:10 (eight months ago) link

Yeah, I heard Graham Gouldman on one of the Finders Keepers radio show things, an amiable bloke certainly.

Mark G, Thursday, 11 February 2021 21:18 (eight months ago) link

five months pass...

I'm revisiting 10cc lately...and discovered Dee Dee Sharp rescued "I'm Not in Love" from narcolepsy along with Gamble and Huff.

Really brings out the polish. How did I miss this? It's stunning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNg3RQRTgiQ

Donald Duck Loved Walt Whitman (I M Losted), Saturday, 31 July 2021 21:53 (two months ago) link

Also good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfXkNOdlVxM

piscesx, Saturday, 31 July 2021 23:21 (two months ago) link

Woah

From the Strawberry archive, a previously-unheard full version of an early mix of 10cc's I'm Not In Love. What genius to have realised that less was more for the final version! Thanks to @SeanMMedia for baking the tape and transferring the sound https://t.co/CNs8fYFq3v pic.twitter.com/wETpsXlUjX

— Strawberry Studios (@StrawberryNorth) August 3, 2021

piscesx, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 08:32 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

I'm kind of shocked that 10cc has yet to become, to coin a phrase, a hip musical crush.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 October 2021 22:56 (two weeks ago) link

Are any of the young people learning about Queen these days also exploring similar acts like 10cc, or Sparks? All these guys need is a biopic called Une Nuit À Paris and the revival will be started.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 8 October 2021 14:22 (two weeks ago) link

Sparks had a 2hr 15 doco released internationally in multiplexes this year

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 8 October 2021 15:34 (two weeks ago) link

Right, I'm not saying Sparks are neglected now, but I'm wondering whether the specific audience that is discovering Queen are listening to other groups that were popular enough to be seen as rivals at the time. I mean, I suspect that even most of the people today who stream "I'm Not in Love" are not going to go on to listen to a second 10cc song; there's only a limited amount of public attention available.
I suspect one thing that could prevent 10cc from being seen as hip today is that their image and artwork were pretty dreary even by mid-70s standards.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 9 October 2021 14:42 (two weeks ago) link

Also, unlike Queen (but like Sparks, and Steely Dan) there is a real smartass/snide/acidic/satirical quality to a lot of the lyrics that some might find oft-putting, or less accessible.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 9 October 2021 15:34 (two weeks ago) link

Maybe, although hasn't that lyrical aspect has been part of the appeal in the Sparks and Dan revival?

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 9 October 2021 15:45 (two weeks ago) link

The band might have been dreary to look at but I wouldn't say their artwork was? I think I said it before itt but there's a lot of Let's Laugh At Foreigners And Their Funny Ways stuff going on in their work, which seems very UK in the 70s and probably deserves to stay there.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 October 2021 16:14 (two weeks ago) link

There's a quote from Gouldman or Stewart: "we had two arts students in the band, so why were our sleeves always such crap?"

Let's Laugh At Foreigners

Surely appropriate in the age of Brexit!

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 9 October 2021 16:24 (two weeks ago) link

Blame Hipgnosis.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 October 2021 16:25 (two weeks ago) link

Maybe, although hasn't that lyrical aspect has been part of the appeal in the Sparks and Dan revival?

Absolutely, I was saying that more in comparing/collecting 10Ccc to/with Queen, who lacks that acid tongue.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 9 October 2021 17:03 (two weeks ago) link

Let's Laugh At Foreigners

Is there? I know there's "Dreadlock Holiday," but I always thought the narrator was the butt of the joke there, kind of like in a Randy Newman song, or "Safe European Home."

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 9 October 2021 17:05 (two weeks ago) link

There's also "One Night in Paris" (making fun of the French and Americans), "Oh Effendi" (Arabs and Americans), "Hotel" (unspecified Third World cannibals and their Western victims), maybe "Baron Samedi"?

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 9 October 2021 17:51 (two weeks ago) link

I think Godley and Creme were largely responsible for those.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 October 2021 18:06 (two weeks ago) link

I think their albums are kind of difficult and dense for your average American dan fan that buys mash up shirts on Etsy. The Original Soundtrack is so sick tho and every time I DJ and play Blackmail, a lot of youngins freak out and ask me what it is.

kurt schwitterz, Saturday, 9 October 2021 18:12 (two weeks ago) link

Anyone read this?

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piscesx, Saturday, 9 October 2021 23:26 (two weeks ago) link

Gonna suppose the reason sparks and 10cc aren't experiencing a breakout with the youth is that they lack an iconic character of a frontman and had one hit song in the US between the two of them

, Saturday, 9 October 2021 23:45 (two weeks ago) link

I think I said it before itt but there's a lot of Let's Laugh At Foreigners And Their Funny Ways stuff going on in their work, which seems very UK in the 70s and probably deserves to stay there.

There's also a fair amount of 1970s misogyny in 10cc's lyrics that deserves to stay there, especially the stalker song 'Iceberg' on 'How Dare You'. Kevin Godley apparently wanted to make the lyrics even darker and scatological, but other band members disapproved. Eric Stewart said it was 'one of the songs that almost split the group', although the split wasn't far away by that point.

Portsmouth Bubblejet, Sunday, 10 October 2021 06:35 (two weeks ago) link

Kinda surprised Bon Iver Nation hasn't made its way into the 10cc back catalogue, via Gayngs' cover of "Cry" several years back.

henry s, Sunday, 10 October 2021 14:35 (two weeks ago) link

I don’t really like or “get” this band except for “I’m not in love”. “the things we do for love” just sails past me. “Dreadlock holiday” yikes. They seem to have recorded lot of deliberately goofy stuff that’s not my cup of tea. I understand they did incredible things production/studio-wise. “I’m Mandy (fly me)” is pretty okay. I’d listen to an ilmer-compiled comp of fav cuts sans goofy stuff.

brimstead, Sunday, 10 October 2021 17:01 (two weeks ago) link

I feel with 10CC there are a lot of “just because you can, doesn’t mean you should” aesthetic choices that just seem bewildering when divorced of the context in which they made them. More so than Queen, who, when faced with the same issue, could at least go *bigger*/more anthemic

Buckfast in America (Master of Treacle), Sunday, 10 October 2021 17:40 (two weeks ago) link

I feel with 10CC there are a lot of “just because you can, doesn’t mean you should” aesthetic choices that just seem bewildering when divorced of the context in which they made them

So well put. Despite finding these guys pretty hard to get into, it helps a tiny bit if I think of them as related to broadly the same cultural moment that’s responsible for Kenny Everett or The Goodies. Which gels well with the presence of Peter Cook on Consequences I guess? Douglas Adams / HHG2G kind of in this space as well maybe? Also feel like Rupert Hine/Quantum Jump are related to this vibe.

lemmy incaution (emsworth), Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:16 (two weeks ago) link

I don't know that Godley or Creme would have been too pleased to be associated in people's minds with the Goodies tbh. Peter Cook, obviously. Kenny Everett, meanwhile, was still a slightly dangerous maverick at the time. Clever dickery in general though.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:31 (two weeks ago) link

Ha yeh probably conflated a few thoughts there - Goodies sprang to mind because I watched a few episodes with my kids recently and was shocked at the degree of casual racism/sexism. Cue slightly flustered explanations about how the past is a foreign country (as it were).

lemmy incaution (emsworth), Monday, 11 October 2021 01:38 (two weeks ago) link

Casual racism and sexism? That's just 70s UK in general.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Monday, 11 October 2021 07:03 (two weeks ago) link

Last 4 posts illustrate why these dudes never broke with hipster USA. Way too British!

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 11 October 2021 07:27 (two weeks ago) link

They should do a post-brexit comeback now that we've fully wound the clock back 50 years. Plus they'd now be free to call themselves 0.34 fl oz.

primate marmite (NickB), Monday, 11 October 2021 07:40 (two weeks ago) link

As a young-un I thought that 10cc referred to some kind of engine or motor, and had assumed that the band trafficked in what was would later come to be known as "classic rock."

henry s, Monday, 11 October 2021 12:33 (two weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

Speaking of 10cc, I just heard (or I should say, listened to) "Just the Way You Are" by Billy Joel, and there are some striking similarities with "I'm Not In Love." Not just the electric piano, but also the vaguely Latin rhythm and, most conspicuously, the ghostly vocals droning in the background:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STugQ0X1NoI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaA3YZ6QdJU

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 October 2021 18:06 (two days ago) link


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